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Again...my feelings about Barack Obama have nothing to do...

Posted By: sam on 2008-11-05
In Reply to: I did respect Bush, not in a high-regards, but I did..sm - just me

with his color and one wonders why people keep bringing that up. My issue is with his policies and the direction he wants to take the country in. I would feel the same if he were white. Or Asian. Or Hispanic...or anything else.

Just because he is elected doesn't mean I am miraculously going to change the value system I grew up with and still have. I would not expect you to change yours if the other side had won. I would expect they would have to win you over...just like he will have to win me over. Just because he won I did not become an Obama supporter. Nothing has changed for me since yesterday as far as how I feel about him. He himself understands he has to earn my respect. So, I say to him...go ahead, President Obama. We shall see how it turns out.


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When I see and listen to him I get a very hopeful feeling about the future. He's an extremely intelligent fellow, and has that youthful exuberance about him. The negative that I see right now is that his visions/goals seem a little too lofty, and he needs to be a little more specific as to what he would do exactly about this or that, and I think that he will as time goes on.  It's rather difficult not to get good feelings about him. He's smart, young, exuberant, and let's face it, the future of this country lies in the hands of the young people.
God and Barack Obama

Dr. Paul Kengor - Guest Columnist - 10/28/2008 7:45:00 AM


Let me begin with what I hope is a credibility enhancer: For daring to write a book on the faith of Hillary Clinton, I was questioned by fellow conservatives, especially for calling Mrs. Clinton a "lifelong, committed Christian." In the final chapter of that book, I included a brief section on the faith of Barack Obama, where, taking him at his word—based on a major June 2006 speech on his faith—I felt confident in reporting, "Obama is a Christian."


I'm not disputing that here. Since then, however, I've taken a careful look at Obama's faith, and there are quite a few things that stand out as historically extremely unusual, and in some cases unprecedented for a potential president. They are worth knowing, especially given the secular media's adoration of the man.


Indeed, journalists are so worshipful of Obama that they are unfazed by his two decades of membership in the church of a ranting, blasphemous preacher who mocked everything from Bill Clinton to America itself—and who married Obama, baptized his children, and whom Obama considers a mentor and the inspiration for the title of his best-selling book. That double standard has struck even the likes of atheist Christopher Hitchens. After eight years of wailing and gnashing of teeth over a Christian Republican president, secular liberals have undergone a Saul-like conversion.


On rare occasions, however, the press has offered constructive analysis of Obama's faith. The most revealing look remains a glowing profile in Newsweek a couple of months ago. The Newsweek offering was remarkably one-sided, even venturing into evangelical phraseology, the shared-language-of-believers style characteristic of Religious Right publications. I counted ten examples of phrases like, "He found Christ," "accept Christ," "Obama went to Jesus."


Nonetheless, even in this unusually un-critical article, much can be mined about Obama's faith. Most salient is this inescapable conclusion: More than any presidential nominee this close to the White House, Barack Obama's faith is a patchwork of divergent beliefs, philosophies, and influences, from what Newsweek called a "Christian-turned-secular mother"—her own views a product of "two lapsed Christian" parents and a Bill Moyers book—to a "Muslim-turned-atheist African father" to a stepfather with a "unique brand of Islam."


As for Obama's personal path, Newsweek noted how Obama, in his younger years, enjoyed, on one hand, Augustine, and then Nietzsche and Graham Greene. Obama hopped and groped his way through Islam, Buddhism, Catholicism, Protestantism, asceticism, and eventually settled at the political church of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.


Most interesting is what Newsweek revealed about Obama and his current family: His wife, Michelle, "also didn't go to church regularly as a child." Neither really began regular attendance until they were married. And only then, their choice was Reverend Wright. On that, Newsweek reported approvingly: "The cross under which Obama went to Jesus was at the controversial Trinity United Church of Christ. It was a good fit."


The couple, writes Newsweek, attended "fairly often—two or three times a month." That changed, becoming less frequent, with the birth of their first child. Normally, the arrival of children is the blessed event that drags young couples to church—the Bushes, the Clintons. For the Obamas, however, the hassle of getting the baby out of the house for a packed service was an obstacle. "So," explained Barack, "that would cut back our involvement."


The Obama girls have never attended Sunday school—a definite contrast with most White House children. Even wayward president's kids like Ron Reagan, a proud atheist, was taken to church every Sunday. Obama explains of his daughters' religious education: "I'm a big believer in a faith that is not imposed but taps into what's already there, their curiosity of spirit."


Once Obama ran for the U.S. Senate, he skipped church for months at a time. Now that he publicly parted ways with Reverend Wright, reports Newsweek with a gentle wink, "Obama is a little spiritually rootless again." Newsweek neglected to mention that Obama often appeared in churches in 2007 for strictly political purposes—i.e., to campaign in houses of worship, a practice that launches liberals into fits of screaming rage when done by Republicans.


On the plus side, there are some discernible spiritual practices in Obama's life: family grace at mealtime, daily prayer, Obama "sometimes" reading the Bible in evenings, and inspirational emails zapped to the senator by his "religious outreach team." Yet, even with that nod to something of a religious routine, one senses that Obama is still trying to reconcile, as Newsweek described his early life, "his rational side with his yearning for transcendence."


After demonstrating at length that Obama's belief system is an amalgam, unorthodox, and undisciplined, Newsweek wrapped up with a shot at his detractors: "Some on the right say his particular brand of Christianity is a modern amalgam—unorthodox, undisciplined...."


No, Newsweek, that's what you say.


One can see here another reason the secular left embraces Obama: His entire religious life, including the spiritual development of his family, is relativistic—an ever-probing quest, a realization of no single truth. The left likes this Democrat more than, say, a lifelong Baptist like Bill Clinton, a lifelong Roman Catholic like John Kerry, a lifelong Methodist like Hillary Clinton, a "born-again" southerner like Jimmy Carter. Here's a believer secular liberals can accept: a relativist in the most expansive form.


A President Obama would bring to the office the most unconventional religious portfolio of any president in a long time, arguably the history of the American presidency.


But to get there, the freshman senator hopes to win just enough of those moral-religious "values voters" who twice made the difference for George W. Bush. Can Barack Obama do that?


Can Obama win the 'values voter'?
In 2000 and 2004, it was the churchgoing moral-religious "values voters" that made the difference for George W. Bush. Barack Obama hopes to peel off just enough of those voters. What are his chances? From my vantage, Obama faces five primary obstacles:


First, Reverend Jeremiah Wright remains an albatross, even given the media's best efforts to avoid him. The ranting, raving, blaspheming political sermons by an uncorked, unhinged Wright—with the congregation loving every minute—remains a cruise missile at Obama's bid for moderate to conservative churchgoers. Obama was way too close to Wright to politically extricate himself.


Second—brace yourselves, liberals—a sizable number of Americans suspect Obama is lying about Islamic roots. A Newsweek poll in June found that 12 percent of voters are convinced Obama is a Muslim, and one-in-four believe he was raised a Muslim. Such thinking has intensified with Jerome Corsi's bestselling book and with research by Islam observers like Daniel Pipes—who, though he accepts that Obama is today a Christian, says Obama is "lying" when he denies he was never a Muslim. Additional oddities continue to surface, such as a YouTube video in which Moammar Kaddafi is said to describe Obama as a fellow Muslim.


When I recently shared this factor with some liberals, their faces visibly contorted and they began yelling at me. Nonetheless, perceptions matter. This issue might become statistically important in a close election.


Third, conservative Christians are offended by how the secular left has greeted Obama as a messianic figure. The hosannas during Obama's Europe trip were so over-the-top that London Times columnist Gerard Baker ridiculed the senator's visit as akin to Christ's entrance into Jerusalem. The BBC interviewed a worshipful German who described Obama as his "redeemer." Fox found another who exalted his "new messiah." To the question, "Who do you say that I am?" some Europeans made their choice as Obama swept into their presence.


Given the agnostic left's search for salvation in politics, this is not a surprise, especially in post-modern, de-Christianized Europe.


This has only gotten worse. No less than a U.S. congressman, Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), said on the House floor on September 10 that, "Barack Obama was a 'community organizer' like Jesus." (He then added, in reference to Governor Sarah Palin, that "Pontius Pilate was a governor.") And now there's YouTube video of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan calling Obama "the Messiah."


This is backfiring on Obama among the values voters he is seeking. To them, this reverence by the secular left is intolerably hypocritical. Liberals went bonkers when a presidential candidate named George W. Bush merely cited Christ as his favorite philosopher. And now they can compare Obama to Christ?


Fourth, "values voters" are skeptical of this appeal to faith by the Democratic nominee. There has been a well-orchestrated, openly admitted campaign, begun just days after the 2004 vote, especially by Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid, to get Democrats talking faith as much as possible. Actual Democratic Party working groups and colloquia have been established, employing the Christian left's language of "social justice."


Obama himself picked this up early on. In a June 2006 address to the Call to Renewal convention, Obama appealed to religious voters. He recalled how in his 2004 Senate race, his support of abortion rankled his opponent. Obama protested, arguing there were policy issues that proved his Christianity—issues like supporting daycare subsidies and the estate tax.


Obama can protest all he wants, but values voters consider legislation mandating medical care for abortion survivors more important than legislation mandating estate taxes for the wealthy.


Speaking of which, and fifth, abortion is beyond doubt the overwhelming obstacle for Obama. He is the most extremist pro-choicer ever to get this close to the presidency. His stand-alone votes against bills protecting newborn babies who survive abortions were horrible. He calls abortion a "safety net" and vowed to Planned Parenthood in July 2007 that the "first thing" he would do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which would nationalize abortion policy and overturn all the perfectly reasonable state-level restrictions on abortion by bipartisan legislatures throughout America. Then there are Obama's revealing statements on the stump—such as how he would hate to see his daughters get pregnant out-of-wedlock and "punished with a baby."


Secular liberals cannot begin to imagine the opposition to Obama strictly on abortion. I've received an email several times, titled, "10 Reasons Christians Shouldn't Vote for Obama." Among the ten, seven are on abortion.


The unprecedented outcry from the religious community is further evidence. The reaction of the Catholic bishops is extraordinary. I've never witnessed them so exercised and committed to leading the flock, and doing so carefully and eloquently, especially among traditional Catholics who still think their party is run by Harry Truman and Jack Kennedy, and literally don't even know Obama is pro-choice.


A poll last week by Investor's Business Daily showed a swing of 20 points for John McCain among Catholics, from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead. If McCain wins Catholics, he wins the election.


It all adds up to the reality that Barack Obama will have difficulty picking up values voters. His hope that they are not energized by McCain has dissipated with the Sarah Palin pick and the steady emergence of information on his abortion fanaticism.


A summer Pew poll showed McCain leading Obama among evangelicals by 61 to 25 percent, comparable to the margin enjoyed by Bush over AL Gore in 2000. More recently, the respected scholar Dr. John Green released a study finding that evangelicals favor McCain 57.2 percent to 19.9 percent, very similar to Bush's 60.4 percent to 19.6 percent over John Kerry at the same point in 2004.


It remains to be seen where, exactly, this will finish next Tuesday. As in 2000 and 2004, however, the values voters could make the difference.


How do you do, I’m Barack Obama

and I am very pleased to meet you.


 


Oh, and this is my spouse, America.  Please pay her no mind, she is a complete embarrassment to me.  Ours was an arranged marriage – a family thing – and now I’m stuck with her.


 


Although I am sure you have already been offended by them, let me enumerate some of her many faults:


1.  She is fluent in only one language.  Sure, me too, but the point is that I could learn a second language if I wanted to.  I have just been too busy organizing communities and running for public office.  On the other hand, what else does she have to do with her time?


2.  America eats too much.


3.  America keeps her room too warm.  I, however, am from Hawaii and like my office hot enough to grow orchids.  Besides, I look great in shirt sleeves.


4.  America drives her car too much, and it’s the wrong kind of car. 


5.  I want her to take the bus, but she refuses.  Me?  No, I’ve been too involved in my work to take time to do that.  Also I have people to drive me around. 


6.  America buys the wrong type of light bulbs.  Her TV is too big.


7.  Have you seen her wardrobe?  What am I saying?  Don’t look!


8.  I hate her friends and relatives.  I’d much rather hang out with you guys.


9.  Her interests do not interest me.  They’re low-class and boring. 


10.  Her friends all mostly have jobs and work pretty hard.  Many of them hold jobs I consider menial and yet object when those jobs are sent overseas.  What’s up with that? They don’t seem impressed by me.  She has a couple of disabled friends who can’t work and she voluntarily supports them.   I prefer to be admired by incompetent people I can ‘help’ but she and her friends won't give me money for these folks.  We’ll see about that.  Since when did selfishness become a virtue?


11.  America has this weird idea that if our bank account is low, we should stop spending money.  What’s up with that? 


12.  America would do just about anything to help her friends, both here and overseas. She will stand up for them and she will voluntarily send them her own money.  Voluntarily?  If everybody had the right to decide that would be chaos!  Somebody needs to be in charge.  (Since I don’t much like my wife or her family and friends, no skin off my nose if they have a problem.  Let them work it out on their own.)


 


So anyhow,  I do apologize for bringing America to the party.  Did I mention that it was an arranged marriage?  The best I can do at this point is try to give her the benefit of my superior intellect, my deeper understanding of geopolitics, economics and the environment, my fabulous taste in clothing and just hope that I can make her less uncomfortable for all of you people to be around.  Until I get her shaped up, please pay her no mind and accept my apologies..... 


 


Nice place you’ve got here!


 


Barack Obama for President
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Fox Attacks Barack Obama..sm
(see link)
I can tell you some of Barack Obama's views on this

I agree that this is a huge issue.  We have the technology to be virtually independent energy wise, but too many crooked politicians have too much money invested in the oil companies and have no interest in seeing alternative energy sources take away any of their profit.  That, in my opinion, is a huge source of our problem.  Below I will post a portion of what Obama plans to do about the energy crisis (from his website - barackobama.com).  He has a much more detailed plan listed on his website.  I'm posting a link if anyone would like to read more.


"Barack Obama believes we have a moral, environmental, economic, and security imperative to address our dependence on foreign oil and tackle climate change in a serious, sustainable manner.




  • Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to the level recommended by top scientists to avoid calamitous impacts.
  • Invest $150 billion over the next ten years to develop and deploy climate friendly energy supplies, protect our existing manufacturing base and create millions of new jobs.
  • Dramatically improve energy efficiency to reduce energy intensity of our economy by 50 percent by 2030.
  • Reduce our dependence on foreign oil and reduce oil consumption overall by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels of oil, by 2030.
  • Make the U.S. a leader in the global effort to combat climate change by leading a new international global warming partnership."

Biden also said that Barack Obama was not...
ready to be President. I believe his words were: "THe Presidency does not lend itself to on-the-job training." Not what he is saying now. Let's be real about this.
What about Barack Obama associates?
What kind of character and judgment does that show?
I don't hate Barack Obama. I just don't want...
the Unites Socialist States of America, and he does. He and I fundamentally disagree on denying medical care to infants surviving abortion. I don't trust someone who has the kinds of associations he has...I think it speaks to an agenda that I don't think is healthy for America.

That being said, if John McCain was a socialist and championed infanticide and the worst thing I could find about Obama is that he cheated on his wife umpteen years ago, I would be voting for Obama. It is not the man, it is the ISSUES, MT Pockets...the ISSUES, and what I (I cannot speak for others) want for ourselves and our country, just like you do.

I don't "love" John McCain. I do admire his service and what he went through for this country. I do believe he loves his country. I can't truthfully say I believe he same for Barack Obama. Even that is no reason to hate him; he is entitled to have his opinion of America. I don't hate him.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA


                           


                          


 


Barack Obama's Speech sm

President-elect Obama's acceptance speech.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/11/barack-obama.html


Barack Obama Day with holiday pay.. sm

 


From Barack Obama's mouth to your ears...
"We are better than this."

Well, we SHOULD be better than this. Can't we leave the name calling and mean spirited personal comments about individuals by the wayside that has nothing to do with the discussion? Especially people impaired by illness? This sounds like a junior high school lunch room.
Actually, Barack Obama has quite eclectic taste!

Obama lists his favorite music as Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Bob Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Johann Sebastian Bach (cello suites), and The Fugees.


Personally, I love the song SuperFreak!



 


 


How much did Barack Obama think about foreign policy before he decided to run...?
I would say...none. There is certainly no proof that he DID, that is why he chose Biden. So, if HE has to make a crucial decision that does not involve voting present or yelling at Michelle for spending $10,000 to send their kids to camp, or which Britney Spears designer to use for his next big speech...what's he gonna do? All I can say is, if he is elected, he better put Biden on speed dial or handcuff him to himself. You act as if your guy is ready!! And no one has to keel over for HIM to be in charge...he is in charge on day 1. Yeah, THAT IS scary!!

I don't know in what alternate universe you think Karl Rove is advising him. Karl Rove and John McCain detest each other. Have you not paid ANY attention these last few years??
Geez. Suppose Barack Obama gets that 3:00 call...
and can't find Joe Biden?

Lord love a duck.
Agree to disagree. I don't think we deserve Barack Obama...
and with his same stances on things, I wouldn't vote for him, I don't care what party he represented. It is not about party for me. It is about the stand of the man. And for me it is nobama, no way, no how...no matter what ticket he is running on.
Oops, left out Barack Hussein Obama
in the above post.
PRESIDENT ELECT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ! ! ! ! ! !
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Get it right...President-elect Barack Obama stated it
was people's choice if they chose to have an abortion.  Nevertheless, you live in america and he is your president as well, just go ahead and face the fact.  It does not matter whether you trust him or not, he is your president, RESPECT him as such!!!!!!!
Two more and I'm done! Q. What's the difference between Jesus Christ and Barack Obama?

A. Jesus could assemble a cabinet.


 


Q: How many Obamunists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None.  It's enough to hope that it gets changed.


 


  I'm waiting to be called a racist.  I'm sure somewhere in that those jokes, some Obamunist will find racism.


Ever heard of Barack Hussein Obama before he started running?
that argument doesn't play out either! and she's the VP not the president!
Exactly. And Barack Obama attended a racist church for 20 years....
and did a fine job of tolerating it. I suppose he is included in that it should not be tolerated by anyone ever? He would still be tolerating it had it not become a campaign issue. Just a fact.
That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.

Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
My feelings exactly
unfortunately.
Just my feelings on it

Well, I don't know about any others, but to me that is a lot of money (quadruple what I'm used to making) and I don't feel the program's basic intent was to give financial help to people in that income bracket, the intent was to help the minimum wage earners who would not be able to afford insurance AT ALL even if it were offered through their employers.  If they set the cap that high, why bother to have a cap at all?


When I lived in Michigan I believe they had a similar program that was not based on income at all, but based on whether the parents were working or not.  It had been noticed that some people felt justified staying on welfare because they couldn't insure their children if they were working at minimum wage, so this was an incentive to get them to work.  It was very cheap (like $5 or $10 a month per child); at the time I had insurance through my employer and didn't utilize it, as I assumed it was mainly for minimum wage earners/those whose employers didn't offer any insurance.  Another reason I didn't utilize it was I assumed the coverage might be substandard to what I had, and less providers might be available that would take it.  Michiganders - correct me if I'm wrong about this program.


My feelings exactly......
These wars go back centuries. The Palistinians have never wanted peace and never will. There are many Palistinians and Israelites that have lived side by side in peace for the most part, until the Palistinian so-called leaders and just those that plain out hate start rearing their ugly heads again. If the Palistinian leaders weren't worried about their people before the bombings, why now? The terrorist leaders have never worried about the hospitals, schools, or anything else for that matter. Their country does live in a very primative existence compared to what it could but the terrorist leaders certainly do not want their people to think for themselves. Heaven forbid!!

If Palestine meant anything to those that "rule them", then they would see that Hamas is obliterated from the face of the earth but they won't and that is why this will continue until God calls us home......Israel and its people are God's chosen. Israel has been patient beyond belief with these people and at some point they have enough. Perhaps Palestians leaders should really put their concern in their own country instead of their putred hate and then change for the better could happen.
I can only tell you what my feelings were this morning...sm
when I saw CP on Meet the Press. We already knew from the lead in that he was going to support one candidate or the other. I respect him so much that I was praying he would endorse Obama but had no real feeling of which way he would go. I listened to what he had to say and felt his pain that he was a republican through and through but just could not endorse McCain. He spoke of their friendship over many years and how much he respected him but could not abide the far right direction and the negative tone that the campaign had taken. He said he is an American first and thinks that Obama is better for America than McCain.
You mirrored my feelings exactly!

I find it amazing that some people on this board who are making such an issue of the Obama birth certificate nonissue on "Constitutional" grounds don't seem to care what Bush has done (and is continuing to do, even in his supposed last days in office) to this country.


I was pretty ambivalent about Bush when he was first (s)elected.  Quite frankly, Gore didn't excite me that much, either, and I was disappointed that in a country of a quarter of a billion people (at the time), these were the only TWO people we could find to run for President.


However, when Bush stood in that rubble with that megaphone, I developed huge respect for him and felt as if I was part of HIS America.


It was HIS very own actions that caused that respect to crumble, bit by bit, until I despised him and his "base," the same "base" on Wall Street that continues to rob us all to this very day.


He referred to the Constitution as a (expletive deleted) piece of paper, and his actions have proved his contempt for it.  (Isn't it telling that I can't even copy his entire statement here because it's considered too vulgar??!!)


I've never felt such distrust for my government until the last eight years.  I voted for Obama and will, like you, continue to trust him UNTIL he gives me a reason not to, and then I will be all over him (like you), but my days of just blanketly assuming my President is on the side of America and Americans are long gone.


I have mixed feelings on this.

I actually see both sides.  I don't like the idea of government telling businesses what they can and can't do because that is scary to let the government have so much control.  However, if you are getting government money, government should have a say in where that money goes.  This is a tough one for me.  Like I said, I can see both sides.


I know...the sky is falling....someone actually seeing things from both sides.  What are the chances? 


I have mixed feelings about
legalizing marijuana.  I think that cancer patients, MS patients, etc. should have the option of using if they so choose.  However, I'm afraid that if we legalize it, it will just lead to more of our kids using it because it is more socially acceptable.  One of my biggest pet peeves is those people at parks who think that because we are all outside that their cigarette smoke won't bother other people.  It is bad enough that non-smokers have to deal with THAT let alone legalizing marijuana and having to deal with people smoking that around us in parks, at ball parks, etc.  I seriously would be super ticked off if I saw someone smoking pot at my son's T-ball game whether it is legal or not. 
My personal feelings aside,,,
the three branches of government were meant to be equal. It was never intended for the judicial branch to be able to "overrule" the legislative branch or the voters whenever they felt that it was appropriate. It is abuse of what was meant to be a check and balance, but who checks the courts. It would appear that they have worked themselves into the final say and that is really unfortunate.
mixed feelings
I also have mixed feelings on the subject of alcohol. I am not in support of restricting this free choice at all, but what I would really like to see is more enforcement and stiffer penalties for drunken driving. Too many of these jerks have 5, 6, 7 and more drunk driving offenses, and keep on driving. Having lost my beautiful 32-year-old sister-in-law, mother of 3 and pregnant with her 4th baby, to a drunk driver with 3 prior offenses, His penalty was 10 years in jail, but he was out in a lot less. My SIL's husband is without a mate for life and her children are without a mother, too young at the time to really even remember her much. Our entire family has suffered a huge loss because of the misuse of alcohol. I get just nuts when I hear of some other drunk with multiple offenses continuing to drive - legally - and see some bartender who doesn't cut people off and get them a cab when it is obvious they have had way too much.
Again, Carla I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings

and I know this had to be a horrendous Christmas...


However, I just don't share your views about this administration.  I don't think trying to increase this country's intelligence and making the CIA and FBI better networking departments a controversial issue.  When asked the question what American has the Patriot Act violated the dems are strangely quiet.  They just continue to insist that Bush has done something wrong by increasing the intelligence level through wiretaps that every other American president was okayed to do.


I just don't understand congressmen and women standing up there having a hissy over Bush wire taps knowing, KNOWING, that the 4th plane on 9/11 was bound for an in session capital building.  To me the Dems are BLINDED by partisan politcs.  It frankly borders on sociopathic..


Bush has done nothing to to hurt Americans but only to protect them.   Frankly, I'm glad he's got the guts to do what it takes to keep America safe.  I don't know what *9/11 perps* you are talking about, but I don't think anyone has gone free.  I really don't know why in the heck you care about terrorists rotting in jail in the first place.  They are not American citizens and have none of the rights an American has.  If the military was allowed to do what it was supposed to do and try them they would be dispensed with, but throwing them in the American legal system  only condemed them to the piss poor, liberally manged American judicial system---who would much rather have a T.V. celebrity trial with all the trimmings than actually get down to work to putting some of the psychos and thugs behind bars or better yet....executing some the slime who prey on children and the innocent. 


While I will never convince you to support this president you need to see things for what they really are.  What is going to take for some of you to see that the president is not the problem but terrorism and partisan politics is?  I guess it may take a much broader hit than 9/11.  I pray it doesn't happen, but if you and the dems don't wake up and smell the coffee I'm afraid I could happen again.


of course I didn't share my feelings with my son, but thank you. nm
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You guys have the most dainty little feelings. sm
How DO you live in this world?  My goodness!  Ann Counter is HARDLY at the helm of the Republican party.  In fact, there are a lot on the right who don't like her either.  Can you guys talk about anything but hurt feelings? 
I looked at it....and I understand the feelings...
however, you know where I stand. I stand on the sides of the soldiers who said *yes, it is our right to do that, that does not mean we have to exercise it* and *I myself would not have done that.* I do not blame any of those soldiers for appearing, other than I believe, whether intentions are good or not, that they worsened their situation by emboldening the enemy. I see that that was not a question that was asked. If those soldiers had to answer that question truthfully, a whole different debate might be out there.

Again, I support their right to do whatever they think is best; I do not support their timing. The problem is that others also have to live with the consequences of their actions. We all have a lot of rights to do a lot of things...we simply choose where and when to exercise those rights...using discretion...and considering how our actions will affect others. I had a right to carry a sign in the park across from the White House while Clinton was in office saying the President of the US is an admitted albeit unindicted felon, but I did not exercise that right. That is basically what I am talking about. It is how you choose to exercise the right...not that you HAVE the right. And I don't think hiding behind *I have the right* always excuses the fallout from the exercising. But you knew we would not agree on this.

I also have a problem with a statement like *the majority of the country is against the war in Iraq,* and *the majority of the military is against the war in Iraq.*
When you look at the percentages on the polls they are very close. Without giving the actual percentages, it gives the impression of a much larger gap. And they quoted the Military Times poll for the other statement. The Military Times does not now nor has it ever represented the majority of the American Military, and there is a definite bias there. But I will stop on that subject now.

As to biased on the part of CBS...I believe CBS probably actively hunted for this story, and I expect those gentlemen were paid well for their appearances, though we will never know that, and it really does not matter in the grand scheme of things.


Thanks so much! Sums my feelings up perfectly. nm
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My feelings exactly! It was a great show.
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I have mixed feelings on this subject.

I lost my father to emphysema so this subject is very touchy to me.  I HATE cigarettes with a passion.  On one side, I think it is great that they are going to control what tobacco companies put in their cigarettes.  My mom and I have said for years that all the crap they put in tobacco is just ridiculous.  Surely there is a way they can "clean up" their cigarettes so to speak.  I can't help but wonder how many years my dad lost in his life due to his cigarette smoking.  I remember vividly how many times he tried to quit and just couldn't do it.  The man literally smoked until one day he couldn't breathe and my mom called 911.  My dad was rushed to the hospital.  He had started to turn bluish gray.  He lived 4 days after that.  He never came home and that was 2 years ago. 


However, I agree that...what is next...alcohol....fast food...etc.  There are a lot of alcohol related illnesses and there are also a lot of illnesses related to being overweight.  Then we have the people on illegal drugs, etc.  I'm tired of government involvement in every little thing and yet at the same time I can't be unhappy with this whole tobacco thing.  Call me a hypocrit if you will, but cigarettes have cost me 2 grandpas, 1 uncle, and a dad.  I'd be happy if cigarettes were gone totally but that is just me.


You ascribe me feelings about people whose name I have never mentioned here.
His book is a bestseller.  Evidently, many many people think he is credible.  The world of credibility does not revolve around you, gt.
I've got mixed feelings, too, Democrat.

I've never walked in their boots, and I can't imagine what it must be like to wonder if every single next step you take might be your last, especially if a soldier is completely worn out, physically, mentally and emotionally because he or she is forced to do multiple tours. 


I can't imagine what it might be like to see one or more of your buddies killed by a group of people who don't abide by the rules of war.  I can't imagine how long I'd be in a position like that before I would simply snap and go beserk.


These young people must be stretched beyond any human limit, and although I don't condone it or agree with it, at the same time, there's no way in my heart that I can condemn them. 


The military can punish them all they want.  But if these young Iraqi War soldiers are anything like the Vietnam War veterans I personally know, I can promise you that there is no prison more painful and punitive than their own personal prisons that their minds, hearts, bodies and souls inhabit. 


We don't know for sure that these soldiers weren't following orders.  They have a commander-in-chief who favors torture, so anything is possible.  Deep in my heart, I feel these soldiers are just being used scapegoats to protect those in the highest of command who gave the orders they followed.


I constantly condemn this war and the lies and liars that led to it, but I find it impossible to feel any ill feelings towards these soldiers for actions that may very well have been orders they were obeying from higher-ups.  I also can't condemn them if they just *snapped.*  A human being can only take so much, and I believe these poor soldiers have been stretched way beyond what most humans could endure.


She apparently had no hard feelings. She supported
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Okay, no hard feelings. I had to leave for a while but I'm baaaaaack. LOL

I wasn't sure on that since you posted under my message.


Did the bad cartoon hurt your wittle feelings?
Ugh, get over it already.
Feelings, goals, interests, families...
yes. Normal no. Tolerance is far different than acceptance. I and no one in my huge family has ever harmed a person who indulges in homosexual acts. We are as tolerant as you can get as I imagine millions of others are. Just saying that homosexuality is wrong is construed to be intolerance or verbal abuse by the homosexual community.
I don't despise any women....please do not ascribe to me feelings I don't share...
and the scope of the issue is something you don't understand either, it would appear. There is nothing in that post to suggest I despise any women. I am against the procedure of abortion. Yes, you bet I am. I despise it. It is horrendous, horrible, terrible way to die. Why are people concerned about water boarding a terrorist but don't mind cutting a living human to ribbons? Nope, you're right, I don't understand it. I don't see any way TO understand it.

The poster made a good point about women resistant to birth control. All I said is if you add women who are resistant to all forms of birth control to women who have been raped or victims of incest, and when the life of the mother is in danger, you could cut abortions 85-90%. That would save a lot of lives. The last sentence was addressing those who say that the baby is not alive or moving at the time most abortions are performed and that is simply not true. The point I was trying to make is that when a woman has a planned, wanted pregnancy, if you tell her when she feels that movement that that child is not alive inside her, that would be a hard sell. The point is, it IS alive, and people want to rationalize abortion by saying they really aren't killing anything. THey are. Just be up front about it and say that they are pro choice, and if a woman makes a decision to take that child's life for whatever reason that is her choice. Fine. Just call it what it is. We have legalized killing of unborn children in this country and made it a cash industry. Not a good thing in my books.
Mixed feelings - Bills speech was excellent.
To be honest I didn't watch her speech - refused to. I didn't feel like listening to her talk about me, me, me and how she feels she really won. So - in all fairness I don't know whether it was a good speech or not. What I have read about her speech is that someone said she said the party needs to be united and support Barack. I read another article that said she didn't do anything to unite the party. And I read another article that said Hillary's speech was a blow to the campaign and because of it Baracks ratings have dropped. I read all of this on the drudge page and I do believe there are both liberals and conservatives there, but I could be wrong. In honesty I can't tell you what I thought of it, and I think my hatred for her really is not fair to her but it does make me biased against anything she has to say.

On the other hand - I thought I hated Bill Clinton more than I did her and I was planning to refuse to listen to his speech tonight, however, found myself to curious so I did listen. Once he got past the praising Hillary & his presidency (which he didn't do as much as I thought he would) I actually thought his speech was very good. Well thought out and I thoroughly enjoyed it and my opinion of him has definitely changed (we just won't tell my mother-in-law - think she'd have a seizure- ha ha ha).

Bill Clinton for the first time finally came out backing Barack and listed the reasons why we need Barack as president, and why he is the right choice. He was sincere, intelligent, and I actually enjoyed his speech.

I have heard that Bill Clinton has planned that he is not going to be there tomorrow when Barack walks out to give his acceptance speech he is going to leave (I guess a protest that Hillary didn't get picked), but after his speech tonight I wonder if that was just a rumor. Time will tell.

I still think he was a horrible horrible present for 8 years (one of the worst presidents in history), but tonight he showed a different side to him and I give him credit for that.
Mere words cannot describe my feelings to your post....so I won't even try....