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America is a Constitutional Republic, NOT democracy

Posted By: ermt on 2008-10-16
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This is a very good read.


I like the quote by Tom Tancredo "When I took the oath of the office, it wasn't to my party or President, it was to the Constitution".


http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NotDemocracy.html


 


 




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I have never ever seen anything like that at Free Republic. sm
Never.  They do not advocate anything like that.  I think you are thinking of somewhere else.  Maybe the Democratic Underground, where they talk about things like that all the time.  I would like an example of what you are saying. 
Free Republic board
which is where I assume the name Freeper came from..I have to say there are some horrible posts in there..a lot of them talk about killing others mainly liberals, hateful hateful things. I wont go back there. There are some decent people on the boards there, but most sound like the type of people I just want to stay away from. Sorry if that offends you, but its the way I feel.
I am not going to defend Free Republic sm
only because no website knows who it is that is posting on it.  I used to post on FR but they banned me because I didn't walk lock-step with their philosophy, which does not tolerate dissent. However, I have seen death threats right here on this site, so linking this guy to a web site isn't really relative.  I hope they prosecute him.  He is sick. 
Good thing we live in a Republic
and not a democracy

Constitutional law I believe. nm
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Those agreements are Constitutional law
Bush ignored Constitutional law to invade Iraq. (That's the very definition of corruption, by the way). You seem to think that's just hunky dory.

Why do you hate America?
Is he a constitutional lawyer?
Just because he is a lawyer does not make him an expert.  Please cite statutes, case law, etc.
There IS no constitutional crisis.
Recession teetering on the brink of depression. WAKE UP, will ya?
He's a brilliant constitutional attorney....
No he's not, yes he is, no he's not, yes he is arguments will not win any elections.
Turley on Bush's Constitutional Skin

Well, first of all this President's theory of his power I think is now so extreme that it's unprecedented. He believes that he has the inherent authority to violate  federal law. He has said that. Not just the signing statements and the infamous torture memo-that Alberto Gonzales signed. It was stated that he could in some circumstances order federal officials to violate federal law and this is consistent across the board with this President. Frankly, I'm not too sure what he thought he was swearing to when he took the oath of office to uphold the Constitution and our laws. I've never seen a President who is so uncomfortable in his constitutional skin.


http://movies.crooksandliars.com/news_Countdown_Turley_051006.wmv


Reasons there would be a constitutional crisis according to one expert...
The Consequences of “Forgetting”

There are factual economic, social, Constitutional, military and financial consequences of forgetting what damage an ineligible POTUS will do to our Country and the Constitution. These consequences are so serious that our government will not exist if we forget the rule of law, and what our Constitution demands. These are succinctly addressed in an article by Edwin J. Viera, Jr. entitled “Obama must step up or stand down now”.

Of the nine (9) reasons why Obama should step down if he has not proven his eligibility, the two that most notably concern me are:

No laws of Congress are valid

“Congress can pass no law while a usurper pretends to occupy “the Office of President.” The Constitution provides that “[e]very Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States” (Article I, Section 7, Clause 2). Not to a usurper posturing as “the President of the United States,” but to the true and rightful President. If no such true and rightful President occupies the White House, no “Bill” will or can, “before it become a Law, be presented to [him].” If no “Bill” is so presented, no “Bill” will or can become a “Law.” And any purported “Law” that the usurper “approve[s]” and “sign[s],” or that Congress passes over the usurper’s “Objections,” will be a nullity. Thus, if Obama deceitfully “enters office” as an usurper, Congress will be rendered effectively impotent for as long as it acquiesces in his pretenses as “President.”

And

He Could not be Removed Except by Force

If Obama does become an usurper posturing as “the President,” Congress cannot even impeach him because, not being the actual President, he cannot be “removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” (see Article II, Section 4). In that case, some other public officials would have to arrest him—with physical force, if he would not go along quietly—in order to prevent him from continuing his imposture. Obviously, this could possibly lead to armed conflicts within the General Government itself, or among the States and the people.

Bear in mind that as an imposter Commander–in-Chief of the Armed Forces, “he will be entitled to no obedience whatsoever from anyone in those forces. Indeed, for officers or men to follow any of his purported “orders” will constitute a serious breach of military discipline—and in extreme circumstances perhaps even “war crimes.” In addition, no one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch of the General Government will be required to put into effect any of Obama’s purported “proclamations,” “executive orders,” or “directives” (Viera, J.).

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/stand-by-me/
We also have the constitutional right to the free expression thereof....
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Center on the words or prohibit the free exercise thereof. It is our constitutional right to freely express our religious views. You want to deny us that constitutional right do you?
Talk about a heap of constitutional amendments!
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Stop the Obama Constitutional Crisis...
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/
The show is known for its liberty/constitutional story lines. sm
I thought it was funny, but I also understood the message.


IF it is democracy they truly want.

Here's a prediction of what may happen in Cuba.  Note how Cubans feel regarding healthcare and education in Cuba, something Americans are in no immediate danger of experiencing from our so-called free government. 


http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060804_cuba_new_revolution/


 


so what is democracy to you...
you are in favor of letting money then run this country, to do freely anything it wants - not sure I get that at all in fact that sounds more like socialism to me - this attitude sent down from the rich that we should just be 'lucky to have jobs' and how only the poor and middleclass should suffer, you know, for the benefit of the country - we are the only ones sacrificing.

Not getting that at all...

What is in it for me, what have the rich corporations done for me, please tell me, how am I better off now.

I could sit here all day typing the problems I have right now financially, so please share how great things are now that only the poor and middle class are carrying the burdens for roadwork, childcare (you know, schools feeding kids breakfast, lunch, and even dinner most places because we dump our kids there and leave them), I could just go on and on and on...

This is the history of democracy:
Athens

450 - 500 BCE

"It is called a government of the people (demokratia) becaue we live in considertion of not the few, but of the majority." - Thucydides on Pericles' view of democracy

Evolution of Democracy

Democracy in Greece was first introduced in Athens in the 505 BCE by Cleisthenes. Previous to democracy Greek city-states were ruled by a an elite few, rich, powerful men, known as tyrants. This Oligarchy limited the power to very few people. Democracy was a government structured to serve the people. All white, male citizens had the right to vote under a democratic democracy. Unlike present democracy, citizens would convine and openly discuss and vote for elections. This type of democracy is called direct democracy. As a society it benefited the majority, which were the middle and lower classes. The middle and lower classes received a voice , giving them power. The upper class, aristrocrats, lost power through a democratic government. They no longer received more power because of thier social standing.

The Athenian Constitution was written by Aristotle and was titled Constitution of Athens (Athenaion Politeia). It described the responsibility of Athenian government and the respensibility of the different branches it is made up of.

Hey, sam....That is what democracy look like.
and all that stuff, dontchaknow?
We do not have a democracy.
We have a democratic republic. They are different--dontcha know?
So, you don't believe in democracy either?

I try not to be nasty on this board, but I just can't believe how many people are wanting the demise of democracy and, with open arms, are accepting everything the democrats state as truth. The demise of the 2-party system will only lead to socialism or something worse. Are you ready for that?


After the town meeting in MO yesterday, I honestly believe O has blinders on. He still doesn't know why the tea parties were held. He is relying on someone to give him an accounting of why and he is going along with that. He doesn't realize that was not what the protest was about. Maybe he should have gone to one of the parties to see the truth. But no, he'll rely on others for the not-so-much-truth.


Same with the economy. How much has changed? Not much. Yet he thinks it's getting better. Well, I don't see it happening. Unemployment higher, Chrysler claiming bankruptcy, GM soon to follow. Banks still not lending. CEOs still taking their bonuses; i.e., business and politics as usual.


Sure, it's only 100 days, but for the debt we now have to shoulder, how does it get paid back when the government refuses to take payment from the banks that wanted to pay off their debt? This government WANTS to control and own all business and banking institutions, no ifs, ands, or buts.


Yesterday, DH applied for SS since he doesn't believe it will be there in a few years, so for the 40-some years he worked and paid into the system, he wants to get something back and, anyway, there is no work for him. So far this year, he worked 15 days. Son still can't find a job after a year. Yeah, there are jobs out there. NOT!


This is my honest opinion.


Subverting Democracy With the Big Lie
Truthdig


Robert Scheer: Subverting Democracy With the Big Lie


http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060912_robert_scheer_subverting_democracy/

Posted on Sep 12, 2006










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    I don't think every American wants democracy. sm
    In fact, I know they don't.  There are more than a few Americans who think we deserved 9/11.  Nancy Pelosi is one of them.  Now look where she is. 
    My dear, you do know that the New Democracy is what - sm
    The 'New Democracy' is what The Shining Path (Communist Party of Peru), New People's Army (Communisty Party of the Philippines), and the Maoists (Communist Party of India) are calling their cultural revolution, right?

    You know, the revolution where they tried to impose a dictatorship of the proletariat through such 'democratic' things as terrorism against peasants and union workers and other 'dissidents' in their own countries?

    And I'm sure you know that the goal of the 'New Democracy' is to induce a world-wide revolution as a path to what they call 'pure' communism?

    You know all that, right?

    Otherwise, your statement about dragging Americans 'kicking and screaming into the new democracy' would just sound uneducated and silly.
    isn't democracy grand?
    Yes, Chele, your comparison is kind of like how 50 million of us who voted for the other guys have had to put up with Bush for 8 years...that's democracy for you. Maybe you are the one who needs to wise up.
    It is called Democracy.
    Of course it is okay for the majority to elect whomever they want. Your post sounds like a case of Republican sour grapes to me.
    It is the way of a democracy. I keep in touch with my senators and one...sm
    lone representative. I pay attention to whether they vote in my best interest and are honest in their dealings and let them know if I disagree, and vote or not vote for them in the next election. You are naive if you think that democrats are solely responsible for this meltdown. Looking for the other party to blame is counterproductive and will help no one. Money hungry greed is what has led us to this and both parties are to blame.
    HBO Special Hacking Democracy sm
    Here is the link to the trailer for the HBO Special Hacking Democracy. There are also links up there to the whole thing (9 parts).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8O43LxV_Xw
    When Iraq is set up as an independent democracy and we have withdrawn sm

    how in the world can we dictate what they do with their prisoners?  You have to take a wider view of this bill.  It is nothing like what you have presented here.  It's a bill about democracy and a democratic nation. 


    A blog by an Iraqi about his homeland and Democracy. sm
    I read this every day until he stopped posting.  It's very informative and not something seen in the MSM.  There are other links there that are still active.
    Bush/Saakashvili alliance is not about democracy.
    It's not rocket science. Even a 5-minute superficial read of the history of the pipeline and the below-the-radar placement of US troops in Georgia makes that abundantly clear.
    Democracy Obama-style! Great post. Thanks.
    .
    For many reasons, the fact that Israel is a successful democracy
    in the midst of tyrannical middle eastern governments.  The fact that the U.S. supports Israel.  The fact that Israel has turned their once arid country into a fertile landscape and have managed to become a wealthy nation despite it's geographical short-comings and to the dismay of their neighbors.  Also because the palestinians have managed to paint themselves as the underdog in a battle that has long been a land dispute and not an "occupation."  And I have even begun to touch on the religious and scriptural reasons for the hatred.
    Beacon of democracy must walk the walk,
    No more Bush bluster. If the war on terror means anthing to you, listen up. One giant step in restoring mangled image abroad (in preparation for global diplomacy aimed at a 21st century approach to the war on terror) would be to live by example. Credibility is the name of the game in that arena.

    For those among us who would be the first to decry an Obama administration that would "change our country as we know it," it might be helpful to remember just how much of that country we lost during W's reign of terror...writ of habeas corpus, presumed innocence, right to counsel and fair trial, burden or proof, not to mention even a modicum of acknowledgement of basic human rights and condemnation of torture. Sound familiar?
    A DIFFERENT AMERICA...sm

    The author has strong opinions, but I think he is right on!


    Simon Winchester's recap of the events of April 18, 1906.


    Teddy Roosevelt was President the morning San Francisco was hit by its devastating earthquake.


    We were a DIFFERENT AMERICA then, Puppies. Just read this:


    1. There was no warning...ZERO...than anything was amiss. Unlike August, 2005, there was no 10 days of warning ahead of the disaster. There were no satellites, no wireless, no TV.
    2. In a city of 400,000...3,000 died and 225,000 were homeless. This happened in minutes...not days. At 5:12 a.m., the massive tectonic shake brought down a city, Rich and Poor alike.
    3. The military responded instantly...in 153 minutes, the troops from the Presidio presented themselves...armed and ready...to the Mayor
    . Unlike the appalling delays with Katrina, the General in charge took instant command and moved his troops. FEMA stalled everything, including relief water trucks from Wal-Mart! (Ask yourself what sort of people we have become...when we need to wait for a Permission Slip from Brownie to move to help our neighbors?)
    4. Mayor Schmiz, commandeered a boat to rush to Oakland, to wire the news to America. (Via Morse Code): San Francisco is in ruins. Our city needs help. 9 simple words. Which was how America found out about the catastrophe. No CNN. No Fox. No Geraldo. And how America responded.
    5. The first relief train from L.A. arrived that night. Packed with food and clothing. Nobody in LaLa Land had to ask. They just DID IT. And there was no FEMA to turn back the train.
    6. The Navy and the Coast Guard rushed in ships and boats to help. Nobody needed to go through channels.
    7. The NEXT DAY Congress had passed legislation that allowed Roosevelt to dispatch rescue trains west....including the LARGEST HOSPITAL TRAIN EVER ASSEMBLED!!!. How is it, way back in 1916, from a standing start, Congress could assemble a massive train like that...when Bush had a hospital ship offshore (the Bataan)...which was never used????
    8. The guy in charge of the Post Office issued an order...signed by him, that NO UNSTAMPED LETTER WAS TO BE HELD UP FOR LACK OF POSTAGE!
    Can you IMAGINE any of our functionaries in today's wimp world of CAN'T DO Americans...issuing an order like that!! The brave pilots who got relegated to Kennel Duty for rescuing civilians know better.


    Winchester does not mention the wonderful story of the founder of the Bank of America...who stood on the sidewalk and made sure his depositors could get cash, even as the bank lay in ruins. That speaks to an ATTITUDE about HELPING everyday Americans, and not just the Tax Pampered rich.


    IN TODAY'S AMERICA...THE PUBLIC DOESN'T MATTER. INSTEAD...AT ALL COST PROTECT YOUR JOB, YOUR SENIORITY, YOUR RETIREMENT PACKAGE. Go along, shut up and mind your business.


    America..where are you?
    Tens of thousands, both American and Iraqi, have died for NOTHING..and when the truth is told finally, we will see the war was based on lies.  Bush and his crew need to have something done to them, stand trial, impeachment, imprisonment, whatever..we cannot let this crime against humanity just slide by.  I am outraged by it all and deeply saddened but I did not lose a loved one in this immoral war..I cannot even begin to think how I would react if I had lost someone to a war that did not have to be waged..I know, for sure, I would be one extremely rageful person..Give me a president who has had love affairs because of his weakness of loving women anyday over a president who loves to kill and wage war.  I cannot believe what America is becoming..There are truly bad times..
    America's war on the web


    America's war on the web

    While the US remains committed to hunting down al-Qaeda operatives, it is now taking the battle to new fronts. Deep within the Pentagon, technologies are being deployed to wage the war on terror on the internet, in newspapers and even through mobile phones. Investigations editor Neil Mackay reports



    IMAGINE a world where wars are fought over the internet; where TV broadcasts and newspaper reports are designed by the military to confuse the population; and where a foreign armed power can shut down your computer, phone, radio or TV at will.

    In 2006, we are just about to enter such a world. This is the age of information warfare, and details of how this new military doctrine will affect everyone on the planet are contained in a report, entitled The Information Operations Roadmap, commissioned and approved by US secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld and seen by the Sunday Herald.

    The Pentagon has already signed off $383 million to force through the document’s recommendations by 2009. Military and intelligence sources in the US talk of “a revolution in the concept of warfare”. The report orders three new developments in America’s approach to warfare:

    Firstly, the Pentagon says it will wage war against the internet in order to dominate the realm of communications, prevent digital attacks on the US and its allies, and to have the upper hand when launching cyber-attacks against enemies.

    Secondly, psychological military operations, known as psyops, will be at the heart of future military action. Psyops involve using any media – from newspapers, books and posters to the internet, music, Blackberrys and personal digital assistants (PDAs) – to put out black propaganda to assist government and military strategy. Psyops involve the dissemination of lies and fake stories and releasing information to wrong-foot the enemy.

    Thirdly, the US wants to take control of the Earth’s electromagnetic spectrum, allowing US war planners to dominate mobile phones, PDAs, the web, radio, TV and other forms of modern communication. That could see entire countries denied access to telecommunications at the flick of a switch by America.

    Freedom of speech advocates are horrified at this new doctrine, but military planners and members of the intelligence community embrace the idea as a necessary development in modern combat.

    Human rights lawyer John Scott, who chairs the Scottish Centre for Human Rights, said: “This is an unwelcome but natural development of what we have seen. I find what is said in this document to be frightening, and it needs serious parliamentary scrutiny.”

    Crispin Black – who has worked for the Joint Intelligence Committee, and has been an Army lieutenant colonel, a military intelligence officer, a member of the Defence Intelligence Staff and a Cabinet Office intelligence analyst who briefed Number 10 – said he broadly supported the report as it tallied with the Pentagon’s over-arching vision for “full spectrum dominance” in all military matters.

    “I’m all for taking down al-Qaeda websites. Shutting down enemy propaganda is a reasonable course of action. Al-Qaeda is very good at [information warfare on the internet], so we need to catch up. The US needs to lift its game,” he said.

    This revolution in information warfare is merely an extension of the politics of the “neoconservative” Bush White House. Even before getting into power, key players in Team Bush were planning total military and political domination of the globe. In September 2000, the now notorious document Rebuilding America’s Defences – written by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a think-tank staffed by some of the Bush presidency’s leading lights – said that America needed a “blueprint for maintaining US global pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power-rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests”.

    The PNAC was founded by Dick Cheney, the vice-president; Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary; Bush’s younger brother, Jeb; Paul Wolfowitz, once Rumsfeld’s deputy and now head of the World Bank; and Lewis Libby, Cheney’s former chief of staff, now indicted for perjury in America.

    Rebuilding America’s Defences also spoke of taking control of the internet. A heavily censored version of the document was released under Freedom of Information legislation to the National Security Archive at George Washington University in the US.

    The report admits the US is vulnerable to electronic warfare. “Networks are growing faster than we can defend them,” the report notes. “The sophistication and capability of … nation states to degrade system and network operations are rapidly increasing.”

    T he report says the US military’s first priority is that the “department [of defence] must be prepared to ‘fight the net’”. The internet is seen in much the same way as an enemy state by the Pentagon because of the way it can be used to propagandise, organise and mount electronic attacks on crucial US targets. Under the heading “offensive cyber operations”, two pages outlining possible operations are blacked out.

    Next, the Pentagon focuses on electronic warfare, saying it must be elevated to the heart of US military war planning. It will “provide maximum control of the electromagnetic spectrum, denying, degrading, disrupting or destroying the full spectrum of communications equipment … it is increasingly important that our forces dominate the electromagnetic spectrum with attack capabilities”. Put simply, this means US forces having the power to knock out any or all forms of telecommunications on the planet.



    After electronic warfare, the US war planners turn their attention to psychological operations: “Military forces must be better prepared to use psyops in support of military operations.” The State Department, which carries out US diplomatic functions, is known to be worried that the rise of such operations could undermine American diplomacy if uncovered by foreign states. Other examples of information war listed in the report include the creation of “Truth Squads” to provide public information when negative publicity, such as the Abu Ghraib torture scandal, hits US operations, and the establishment of “Humanitarian Road Shows”, which will talk up American support for democracy and freedom.

    The Pentagon also wants to target a “broader set of select foreign media and audiences”, with $161m set aside to help place pro-US articles in overseas media.

    02 April 2006


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    Like 70% of America, I have BES sm
    (Bush Exasperation Syndrome), same with Congress. I am active in trying to do something about it though. Tommy Chong has common sense, and Paris is just the art of distraction day in and day out by the media to keep people from paying attention to the real issues. Sure wish people would wake up. Real news: 3,682 dead US soliders. Very sad photo from Rosie's blog. http://www.rosie.com/blog/files/headers/53_large_4mkep2w-1.jpg
    And that is what America is all about....
    finding common ground. I agree also with your points here...and I am not 100% on McCain, there are some issues there too. But he comes way closer to what I think is good for the country than Obama does, and that has to be my main concern in this election. Because of the Dem stand on abortion and spending and many other things, it would be difficult to vote for a Dem anyway who was hard line. Now you take Zell Miller...there is a Democrat I could love. Old school conservative Democrat like a lot of my family. God bless'em. Their party has left them behind. :)
    america first
    There is no way we can put the world on our shoulders anymore.
    That's what America needs!!!
    To be yelled at to wake up!!!!!

    Maybe you should go back to American Idol, Dancing with the Stars and Survivor and keep focused on those mind-numbing brainless shows for the brain dead while the country goes down the tubes.

    I don't like to be yelled at....oh brother!
    This is America. Of course it can be done right.

    As more people lose their jobs and as others' insurance premiums rise to become the most expensive monthly expense, the "majority" may find themselves unemployed, uninsured and unable to afford health insurance.


    I became ill six years ago with a disease for which there is no cure, and I've kept trying to work, but over these six years, my income has dwindled very dramatically as a result of my illness and frequent hospitalizations.  (As of this date, I've grossed less than $800.00 total for the year 2009, compared to the $40,000 to $44,000 I grossed prior to the onset of my illness.)  I've been hospitalized twice this year, and when I'm not in the hospital, I'm trying to treat myself at home rather than be in the hospital.  Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't.  I'm on a multitude of drugs (12 total), including a Duragesic pain patch that I wear 24/7.  (This drug is 80 to 100 times more potent than morphine.)  This, along with other medications I take, is very expensive.  I'm fortunate enough to get most of my medications for free from the manufacturers' patient assistance programs.  The others I can find on Walmart's list.  The ones that I can't, I'm able to use a little card that I printed from the internet for free, and I receive a pretty substantial discount.  (I believe anyone can get one of these; it's called a PS Card.  In case you need one, the web address is:  http://www.pscard.com/)


    In addition, I've recently been diagnosed with major depression (I wonder why!), as well as PTSD (for other personal reasons), and I'm at the point where I'm eligible for and am applying for Medicaid benefits.  I can't even begin to describe the shame I feel, since I've worked for 40 of my 56 years on this planet, and I know that eventually, my employer is going to fire me for my lack of production.  (So far, she's been very kind and understanding and lets me work when I can.)  But I've always been healthy, and I've always been easily able to pay my bills, including my health insurance.  The thought that I may now be on the government "dole" is a very disappointing thought for someone who has always worked and has always been independent.  Since becoming ill, I've lost my health insurance, my car and even my phone.  I'm now barely able to pay my cable internet bill and am jeopardy of losing that, as well.  If that happens, then my job will be gone.  I certainly need that job much more than my employer needs me at this point, because that job is the only source of self-esteem I have remaining in my life, even though I know my contribution is less than minimal.


    Since my initial diagnosis, I lost my health insurance when it rose from $622 to $711 a month.  Before being forced to cancel my insurance, I called around to a few insurance companies and was literally laughed at and told there was no way I'd be insured by ANY company with my preexisting condition of pancreatitis.  (This was before they discovered I have cystic fibrosis, the cause of the pancreatitis, so I'm now forever uninsurable by for-profit insurance companies.)


    I just saw the doctor yesterday, and there's now a lump on my abdomen.  He says if it's there a month from now, I need to see a surgeon.  (I promised him that it WON'T BE.)  That's where I draw the line.  If I have no insurance, then NO SURGEONS AND NO SURGERY.  Same reason I haven't had a mammogram.  If they find something, I just can't deal with incurring astronomic medical bills that I can't possibly pay.  We all have to go sometime, and if I'm in that position, then I'll just have to go because quality of life is an important issue, as well, and being hit with bill after bill after bill that can't possibly be paid can seriously destroy anyone's quality of life.


    I used to feel like a lot of you on this board feel.  However, I'm walking in different shoes now, and that has certainly changed my opinion and forced me to understand how others may be forced to live -- forced -- not through any choice of their own.  Though I wouldn't wish "my shoes" on my worst enemy, if I could wave a magic wand and just have someone walk in these shoes for a very brief time, it might help others to understand that there are two sides to every story.  If my application for Medicaid is accepted, I will be both relieved and ashamed at the same time, but I just might live longer.


    This is the time America comes together.
    We roll up our sleeves, and roll up our pant legs and we get in there and help.  We know that God is great and prayer never wasted.  We lend a helping hand and we volunteer. We contribute to charities.  We got and help rebuild.  We sink in the mud and we come out victorious.  What we don't do is blame our President, make excuses for victims who shoot at their rescuers, who are now also patrolling the streets in full body armour with assault weapons raping women.  What is WRONG with you?  What has happened to this country that people like you are posting things like this.  I must say, I am speechless at your impropriety and lack of willingness to do anything but place blame. Shame on you all!
    Wake up America
    America is becoming a shadow what it once was. Time to clean house from the president down to our state representative. Whether you be Republican or Democrat we need to get new blood in our government. Everyone needs to get out and vote and remember all of these tragedies. Time has a way of healing and being amnesiac at the poles, remember, always remember.
    Below 40%, OMG, America is finally *getting it*

    September 10th, 2005 11:57 am
    President's Approval Rating Dips Below 40



    By Will Lester / Associated Press


    President Bush's job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.


    Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That's the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.


    The public's view of the nation's direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.


    Uh...you got that FROM Air America. Not exactly unbiased I would say. nm

    I thought this was America where...

    you are innocent until proven guilty?  DeLay says it a political vendetta.  Who knows, let's let is play out.  And I wouldn't be so smug about wrongdoings on the right...There are plenty of those skeletons in the Democrat's closet to last us a lifetime.  Remember Ken Starr?  Of course THAT was an attempt to destroy a man, but of course THIS can only be wrongdoing by a Republican.  Don't embarress yourselves just yet.


    We were wondering if it really WAS America.
    Happily things seem to be rolling along again.

    Hope we won't hear too much whining about innocent until proven guilty however - DeLay's indictment spells it right out and despite his predictable claims of witch hunt and fanatic partisan vendetta, there really doesn't seem to be any question about what happened. They have the check copies and they have the testimony. So yes, we have to wait for the formal sentencing after the facts have been heard by the Grand Jury - but there is no other side to the story so far as I can see, and no alternate explanation possible about what happened.

    In the court of public opinion, DeLay is dead meat. Sweet.
    This is exactly what I mean when I say America is very confused.nm
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    Protecting America?
    Invading Iraq was not protecting America.  Invading Iraq has caused America to be less safe and has started a world wide terrorist movement against America. 
    Yes, but a loss for America.
    nm
    Even America is not immune to this.

    You write:


    .....convince thousands of people that it is all right to exterminate a race of people simply because they believe them to be inferior or subhuman.  It happened once and it could happen again.


    It has happened many times in many countries.  Sometimes the U.S. tries to intervene, sometimes we ignore it and sometimes we, ourselves, are the perpetrators (as with the Native Americans...we viewed them as subhumans as well as supporting regimes that to part in mass murder).  We are not a guiltless superpower.