There are atrocities in lots of countries
Posted By: basketchick on 2008-10-27
In Reply to: sm - dnh
and nobody seems to give a dam@. We are only interested in countries that have something we want.
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But, the war on terror concerns all countries. Other countries
acknowledge the war on terror as concerning the world, so it is essentially a World War.
Did we know the scope of his atrocities then?
I'm going to have research that a little bit, because I was just a kid in the eighties. I don't know the exact year the turning point happened with Iraq.
I have a question for you though, would you like to see Saddam back in power? I'm just kind of wondering whose side you're on?
Interestingly, other atrocities on US soil...(sm)
since 9/11 have not come from the usual suspects, but rather from our own government. I'm going to go with the patriot act that pretty much killed the constitution, an unjust war that has not only killed numerous Americans but has also destroyed any credibility of the US, and then there's Gitmo and torture, all perpetrated right here in the good ol USA.
If those aren't atrocities, I don't know what is.
atrocities? Burned alive with saline....
sliced and diced and sucked out of the one place you should be SAFEST? Having a needle stuck in your neck and your brain sucked out? And you want to talk atrocities?? Puleezzee. Yeah..that's certainly just YOU...it certainly isn't me.
He invaded a country and committed horrible atrocities there...
we beat him back, should have taken him in the first Gulf war. But we're always going overboard trying to be nice and where does that get us? Same place it got us with N. Korea. Jimmy Carter barters a deal with them for food, and they take the money and use it to build nukes. Where's the outrage over that? Sometimes a people just cannot rise up and oust a dictator. They need help. And now the time has come for them to quit squabbling amongst themselves and make something out of their country. Let's not forget how many years it took for Japan and Germany to get on their feet. We need to give them a little more time. Heck, this country dissolved into civil war after 100 years. Time and patience.
Then Again, how many would have lived and suffered atrocities if Hitler's mom had had an abortion
I am not trying to be flip or funny here, because it is not, but I do not think we can use that particular logic...just say that ALL life is precious, whether a baby grows up to be Einstein, Ghandi, or Charles Manson, it either must ALL be in God's hands because He is Creator of All, or there is no logic. Just wonder how everyone feels about the ultimate sanctity of life when it comes to capital punishment....
Don't get me wrong, I amy be a Democrate, but I am moderate and I DO believe, in instances such as the rape/murder/brulity of children, serial killers, etc, that putting a monster like this to sleep, as you would a rabid animal who will kill and destroy otherwise, is the best thing we can do for our sick society, not perfectly okay, but the best that can be done to protect others. But whenever I see this particular reason NOT to abort, it makes it sound as though if a child were retarded or slow, or even a sociopath (not a psychopath), it would be okay, PLAYING GOD IS PLAYING GOD in either case. IMHO
I say they are going to other countries because ---
they get an incentive to go to the other countries,not because they are taxed too much - take away that incentive and see how many of them give the jobs back to us Americans!
And on $250,000 a year, I do not think that an extra $7500 is going to break the business - they will just find that many more deductions to lower their tax obligations.
Here are other countries that think --
Here are some of the other countries that think mandatory civil service is a good thing.
Which one of these countries would you like to live in? Or send your children to?
People's Republic of China
Albania
Colombia
Cyprus
Iran
South Korea
Russia
Serbia
Singapore
Turkey
Ukraine
So, because some other countries.....(sm)
have worse torture methods....that makes it okay for us to torture? Yeah....that almost made sense. So much for morality, holding ourselves to higher standards, being civilized....but hey, we're Americans, so it must be okay for US to do it.
Communist, socialist, fascist? No.....more like honest and a realist. I love my country, but I am not so blinded by patriotism that I can't see our faults.
What other industrial countries would that be? sm
England had an immediate revolt as did France when they realized how their economy would be affected. This is no argument. Japan has reported it cannot meet the guideline deadlines. In fact, nearly every country who signed (in a wise move, Russia did not) is having a major problem this. This is a giant pink elephant. The United States and the Bush administration continue to draw criticism for its refusal to ratify. President Bush refused to ratify the Protocol in 2001, claiming that it would hurt the U. S. economy, costing $400 billion and over 4.9 million jobs. This agreement is grossly unfair because it exempts 80% of the world, including developing countries like China and India. Tell me the good part of this.
Finding a way to GET ALONG WITH other countries would
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The problem with that is now most countries
think of us as the bully. Now we can say we don't care what anyone else thinks, but we should. We need to. Preemptive is a sure way to make more Americans suffer. I am certainly not suggesting we sit and do nothing when we are attacked, but let's go after the people that came after us. That wasn't Iraq until after Saddam was out, AL Qaeda started in. Let's be real, the only reason we went there to begin with was for oil.
I too agree that we need both some drilling and a lot of work on new energy sources, new ideas, etc. We also need people to be more responsible. No, I don't call myself naive for saying that. Everyone needs to do their part.
Let's also be realistic, no candidate is going to do what they promises with spending until they get in there and start crunching numbers. They can promise whatever they want, but when the time comes it most likely won't happen. They can want to do a lot, but that doesn't mean they'll be able to. McCain's plan is not great either - we already have Greenspan saying that we cannot afford it.
well you mentioned those countries
in reference to our new socialist societies and you brought up the revolution, so ...
Other countries are 100% for Obama
It's very worrisome to think about that. I saw cover pages on a couple of papers in the news where they're saying nex to to Obama's picture "I am the one," in another one "The Messiah."
Other countries are not so crazy about him
I mentioned in another post that a lot of other countries do NOT want him to be the president. People in other countries are describing concerns as he says he is going to change the world and they like their countries just the way they are. The only countries that do want him as our president are our enemies.
Has to make you think about that one.
Do you know why other countries support O?
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Return them to their own countries......... sm
if they must be released at all. The left is screaming that we should not interfer with other countries' governments, that we should not force our democratic way of life on them. They certainly were not concerned in the least with our own citizens' human rights when they flew planes into the towers and the Pentagon and in a field in PA.
I say, if they must be released, release them to their own country where they can receive a trial according on their own laws.
But not all countries welcome the US' interference..nm
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The "other countries" as you say are
taking in the "safe" detainees...the ones that charges were dropped, etc. What is left will be the dangerous ones and guess who's country is going to be stuck with them?
O better get a good plan for the dangerous ones and he better NOT bring them into our country. I don't care what anyone says, they don't deserve to be in our country and having the same rights as citizens at trial.
List of countries we have bombed
Here are the countries we bombed between WWII and 1999:
China
Korea
China
Guatemala
Indonesia
Cuba
Guatemala
Vietnam
Congo
Laos
Peru
Guatemala
Cambodia
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Grenada
Libya
Panama
Iraq
Bosnia
Sudan
Afghanistan
Yugoslavia
Please notice countries in the EU maintain
as sovereign nations, each with their own cultures, languages, laws, etc. The idea is to identify common interests and to unite under certain criteria for the betterment of the region AND of each member state. It is sort of similar to the concept of the United States, only it is a union of separate nations with overarcing federal republic standards which each member nation strives to meet.
These are the 16 countries in the Middle East...s/m
Countries in the Middle East, they are all Arab
States, except Israel and Iran.
Bahrain
Gaza Strip
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Syria
United Arab Emirates
West Bank
Yemen
People are so ignorant! Other countries with
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As are 3rd World countries, because Dubya
THAT's where the outrage belongs.
No other leaders of other countries bowed
At least none that I'm finding. I could be wrong but I've been searching to see if other world leaders like France, PM Gordon Brown, Swiss, or any other leaders that attended the summit if they bowed. I'm not finding anything. Only the One.
U. healthcare IS a disaster in other countries.
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Around the world 150 at least countries engage in torrture and it is
kept more or less secret. Only if the human rights groups interfere it gets publicized.
'Under U.S. law, the War Crimes Act of 1996 makes it a federal crime to violate certain provisions of the Geneva Conventions. The Act punishes any American, military or civilian, who commits a "grave breach" of the Geneva Conventions. A grave breach, as defined by the Geneva Conventions, includes the deliberate "killing, torture or inhuman treatment" of detainees. Violations of the War Crimes Act that result in death carry the death penalty.'
Read what the Vatican says about the torture in
Abu Ghraib...
“ The torture? A more serious blow to the United States than September 11, 2001 attacks. Except that the blow was not inflicted by terrorists but by Americans against themselves.'
— Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo, foreign minister of the Vatican.'
In Abu Ghraib 99 percent of the prisoners were innocent and were tortured and many killed.
As retaliation there was a wave of beheadings after the torture pictures of the Abu Ghraib inmates were made public.
Why publish more pictures? To endanger the troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan even more? No.
other countries started to takie in Gitmos and to you I say also
blah, blah, blah. Heard that already lots of times.
You bet that Obama will be able to work out a plan for all the Gitmos because HE IS SMART and POPULAR with dems AND FOREIGN LEADERS, who are more than ready to SUPPORT Obama!
Contrary to the Republicans who are just lurking and hoping for his DOWNFALL.
God bless Obama !
Yep, and now other countries can see how most Americans can be fooled by their media, etc - nm
Sorry, JTBB, other countries use worse torture than what was stated here.
They starve, cut off fingers, hands, pull nails out, burn private parts, and decapitate prisoners in other countries. Why do you call other people with their comments "nimrods?"
If you want to torture to stop, why don't you go to those countries and fight against their torture? No...you'd rather call the American people nimrods. What is it with you? You used to have thoughtful posts, but now all you do is spew hate for Americans that do not support your views.
You are becoming anti-American IMHO and its sad that you could let the present government blind you to everything. You're either a socialist, facist, or a communist without announcing it up front. You have absolutely made me furious with your one-sided posts since the election. I try not to read them, but sometimes I do get a good laugh at your outrageous statements.
Poor women in 3rd world countries shouldn't live
baby that they dont want, and cannot afford to feed. Making birth control (which is a large part of what the funding is all about, it's not all about abortions), will improve the quality of life for millions of people, as well as the slow down the biggest environmental disaster the Earth faces - the overpopulation of the human species.
Lots of them are nm
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You know they will have lots to say. sm
After making all those concessions about those stupid tax cuts that the pubs wanted so badly (when it has been proven time and again they don't work), and then they didn't even vote for it. And I'll bet all the whining pubs on here sure won't turn down their checks when they come!! That tax cut money should have gone instead to creating and boosting those industries that could generate jobs!! They are all like vultures -- circling around and gleefully waiting for failure. I say they are no better than the terrorists they so rabidly fear!! 
There are lots of people
who make loads of money, and why would you choose these two? If you are a Republican, there are rich ones. If you are a Democrat, there are rich ones.
lots of books on this - even old ones
http://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-Str-William/dp/0767900464/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223520209&sr=8-1
No harm in trying....lots more not to.
you have nothing to fear from tighter gun control laws. Nobody but hunters are worried about hunters. By your logic, why incarcerate people? They'll just keep on committing crime anyway, so what's the point? Ridiculous.
lots of difference..........sm
Treatment for alcoholism, STDs, obesity, and all other medical "conditions" do not require the taking of a human life. Abortion does.
I had a cousin who had a baby born with hydrocephalus and that child lived for 6 years. It was a very hard delivery for Sherry and she knew that Scotty would never be able to sit up or talk or play or do anything else like other children. Yet there is no way she ever even considered abortion. Scotty was a beautiful child. Yes, he brought a lot of work into Sherry's life, but he brought a lot of joy as well.
Put lots of pepper on it will ya? LOL n/m
Why are lots of CEO, CFO's leaving
Medquist CFO quitting. Symantec CEO retiring. Yahoo CEO quit. There are some other companies too. Why? Because they already know how good they have it and decide to take what is left of the their money and run?
Lots of times...
because their behavior is DISGUSTING and that's what we teach our kids, to bash the behavior. Just like any other bad behavior. If you want to label yourself as a sick behavior then accept the consequences of being bashed.
Lots of cheap shots there.
Especially Reagan, but nothing new.
The Chickenhawk argument goes something like this: anyone who favors military action should not be taken seriously unless they themselves are willing to go and do the actual fighting. This particular piece of work is an anti-war crowd attempt to silence the debate by ruling that the other side is out of bounds for the duration. Like all ad hominem attacks, (argumentum ad hominem means “argument against the person”) it is an act of intellectual surrender. The person who employs an ad hominem attack is admitting they cannot win the debate on merit, and hope to chuck the entire thing out the window by attacking the messenger. This is a logical fallacy of the first order, because the messenger is not the message.
The messenger is not the message. That’s all you need to throw away the entire Chickenhawk response. But why stop there when this one is so much fun?
If you are ever see this charge again, you may want to reflect that person’s own logical reasoning in the following fashion: You may not talk about education unless you are willing to become a teacher. You may not discuss poverty unless you yourself are willing to go and form a homeless shelter. How dare you criticize Congress unless you are willing to go out and get elected yourself? Your opinion on a National Health Care System is negated out of hand since you are unwilling to get a medical degree and open a clinic. And as far as your opinions regarding the Democratic Underground or The Huffington Post are concerned, well, you can just keep them to yourself, mister, unless you can produce an advanced degree in Abnormal Psychology and Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Using the internal reasoning behind the Chickenhawk argument means you cannot comment on, speak about or even hold an opinion on any subject that is not part of your paying day job. It is simple-minded and profoundly anti-democratic, which is why it so deeply appeals to those who sling it around the most.
But wait! There’s more!
If you accept the Chickenhawk argument – that only those actually willing to go and fight have a legitimate opinion on the subject of war – then that means that any decision to go to war must rest exclusively in the hands of the military. Is that what this person really wants? To abandon civilian control of the military? That’s the box they have trapped themselves in with this argument. Now to be perfectly honest, I think Robert Heinlein made a very compelling case for just this line of reasoning in Starship Troopers (the book, not the clueless projected travesty). Heinlein said that the only people who should be allowed to vote are those that have served in the military, since only they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice on behalf of the state. I don’t agree with that. I think civilian control of the military has been one of the pillars of our nation’s success, and it has withstood the test of both World Wars and Civil ones. But that is the world you are stuck in when you toss that little Chickenhawk grenade.
Finally, if the only legitimate opinion on Iraq, say, is that held by the troops themselves, then they are overwhelmingly in favor of being there and finishing what they started. I recently received an e-mail from an Army major who is heading back for his fourth tour. The Chickenhawk argument, coming from an anti-war commentator, legitimizes only those voices that overwhelmingly contradict the anti-war argument.
Bill Whittle wrote that. He's a real live veteran and I happen to agree with him.
Have read lots about Obama -and know he is
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So this Halloween, what'll you bet there are lots
lots of fish hang around those
offshore drilling rigs. huh huh huh.
Jealousy? HARDLY. Try uneasiness. LOTS of it.
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as are lots of Obama supporters...nm
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Said he had lots of money, I know I gave as much as I could.
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Lots of people have, but Obama
and he may be smart, but no common sense.
It made lots of sense, and it's something
references to Jesus in Christianity, Judaism (sp)? and Islam. I've often wondered, given the language differences, if they all have more in common than disagree.
And lots of people are good at
POUNCING. ;-)
Well we own a gun, I think 9 mm, a stun gun, lots of knives - my husband's
a collector of knives, all kinds and yeah we're in BAMA, but terrorist don't want to go toe to toe with Americans, they're going to try to sneak us everytime.
That goes for New Yorkers too, they don't want to go toe to toe with them either. I despise Ann Coulter. She doesn't think when she talk. What ever comes up comes out. I think she is obnocious (sp) and has no respect for the left, and she gets as good as she gives from me.
She'd probably be the first chicken liver hiding under her desk.
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