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Because so far I'm still allowed to express my honest opinion. He hasn't taken that away from us

Posted By: MTME on 2005-06-21
In Reply to: Why the Bush Bashing? - JRBeaman


Those are his words, and what is scary is that I think he believes it. It's bad enough we've got enemies who believe they're in a religious war. With each passing day, I'm starting to think HE believes he's in one, too. If that's the case, we're in more trouble than anyone could have thought.

My post was about HIM, not about you. But it isn't the first time a Bush groupie has PERSONALLY attacked a poster for expressing their opinion about BUSH. Now, how do you think that makes YOU look? Maybe it's YOU who should grow up or at least WAKE up and see what he's doing, not just to us but to the entire WORLD.

As long as we all still have freedom of expression, I'll continue to express my views, whether you like them or not.

And I hope you keep posting. Nobody can prove my point for me like a Bush groupie, and I do appreciate the help!!

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    to be honest...
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    He was not honest.

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    Debate is allowed on the political forums. Be respectful in your posts. If you

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    History is history and opinion is opinion. You need to learn the difference.
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