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I agree that there hasn't been a single president willing to address the border issues.  But there also hasn't been a single president in American history to witness his country suffer an attack such as 9/11.  If there was ever a time to do everything possible to protect the American people, I believe it was after 9/11.  I believe Katrina showed everyone (including the terrorists) just how little we've done to coordinate local, state and federal emergency responses.  Bush beat 9/11 to death in his 2004 campaign.  In my opinion, he used it to scare people into voting for him, with the false promise that he was the only candidate who could protect us.

As far as Democratic spending, I couldn't agree with you more.  In fact, that's the whole point.  Democrats are the ones with the rep for out of control spending.  They, at least, acknowledged the need to help the less fortunate in our country.  Now we've got out of control spending, with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, more and more people without health insurance coverage, and probably many Americans unable to afford to heat their homes this winter.  At least the Democrats, albeit it to the chagrin of most Americans, raised taxes and gave us a sense that we were paying for all the spending they were doing.  I honestly don't know now who is paying for all this, and it scares me.  It further scares me that this president wants to completely revamp the Social Security system, a system I've been paying into for the past 36 years, and I don't trust his financial judgment -- not even a little bit.  He's publicly described who he believes his base to be (the haves and the have mores), and that group doesn't include me.  Most of my adult life was spent as a single mother.  (Even though she's grown with children of her own, I'm STILL a single mother because I try to help her, my son-in-law and grandchildren whenever they need me.) I haven't had the luxury of saving for retirement simply because I couldn't afford to.  I know that I will never retire.  I will be working one way or the other until the day I die.  The only thing I have to look forward to is a small Social Security check to supplement the part-time income I receive when I get too old to work full time.  I'm not asking for a handout.  I'm just asking for the government to keep its word regarding Social Security and not pull the rug out from under me.

I also didn't vote for Bush in 2000 because I believed in my heart we would find ourselves at war with Iraq if Bush was president, even though he promised that nation building was something he was against.  As you know, this was well before 9/11, and now he publicly admits he wants to spread freedom throughout the world -- whether the world actually wants the United States' (and/or Bush's)  particular brand of freedom or not.

In all fairness, I believe the Democratic party dropped the ball very badly in the last 8 years.  In 2000, I couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone because I was so tired of voting for the least worst person.  I felt that if Gore and Bush were the best this country had to offer, we were in serious trouble.

I also think that Kerry was a terrible candidate to represent the Democratic party, although I did respect very much the fact that he had actually served in a war on foreign land and had firsthand experience in that area, which I believe is very important.

My favorite Democratic candidate was John Edwards.  He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth.  Everything he has, he worked very hard for.  This is a man who has firsthand knowledge of how to build something from nothing, another area of knowledge I don't believe Bush has clue one about.  Edwards was acutely aware there are two Americas, and that's never been more evident than it is now, after almost 5 years of bush.

I'm one of those people who found what Clinton did to be deplorable.  However, compared to Bush, Clinton was infinitely better.  Clinton definitely left office with the country in better shape than it will be when Bush leaves.

We used to have three basic socioeconomic groups in this country: rich, middle class and poor.  The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is starting to erode downward.  People who have median incomes are finding their effective net spendable income dwindling if they have to drive to and from their employment.  The only people to benefit from Bush are the rich.  It's a sad, sad situation when the State of Georgia takes it upon itself to close schools in order to conserve fuel, yet oil company profits continue to skyrocket.

I believe that war with Iraq is not only the single largest waste of money, resources, and especially American lives -- it's also putting America in much more danger.  This war has provided a wide open space for terrorists to train, and Bush gave them that training ground by invading Iraq and creating that training ground that didn't exist before.  We've completely destroyed their country, killed their people and wrecked their electricity and water.  I don't think it would be moral and ethical to just pull out of there immediately without fixing all the things that we broke.  By the same token, the longer we stay there, the more Americans we lose.  Saddam had been contained.  He was no real threat to us, and there was no legitimate reason in the world for us to invade Iraq in the bogus name of fighting the war on terror.  We have so very many things to do here at home to take care of our own, and we should have done that before even thinking of invading a country that wasn't a threat to us.  In 2001, we were told we're going in there to fight the war on terror. Now the reason is we want to spread freedom to the Iraqi people.  That's quite a leap and, to me, a person who feared in 2000 that Bush would attack Iraq, it's disingenuous, but most of all, it's not keeping us safe.

Hurricane season still has three months to go, and there's no reason to believe that more Americans won't lose their lives and/or homes.  We've got war zones all around us, whether it's an act of God or an act of Bush.  Whether it's the Gulf in Iraq or the Gulf in America, people are faced with losing electricity and water.  More urgently, they are faced with losing their lives and homes.  Somebody PLEASE tell me why it should be that Iraq is more important than America.  I don't believe America can afford to take care of both.  In my opinion, America must take priority. 

I'm sorry this was so long.  I guess I've been waiting for a long time to actually enter a debate with someone who is intelligent and thoughtful and, above all else, respectful to a different point of view.  Reading your post was a real pleasure.  Thank you.

I saw the posts for myself, no one "ran" to me. Note that all boards were reviewed for inappropriate posts.

for 30 seconds - no talking - for news cameras with world leaders.  Now, let's hear you say she doesn't have any foreign experience -- here look at this picture.

political viewpoints.....what is the point of a political board? 

I have know idea to what post you are referring to that you posted and was removed.  You would have to take that up with the moderator. 

with any motivation they wish - FOR someone, AGAINST someone, because they had soup for lunch, etc.  Supreme Court (hey there's a case someone can discuss) upheld same-day registration and voting.  Since they know the constitution and the law, I will trust their judgment.

The election system is OBVIOUSLY sound, because when Ohioans suggested that the Bush reelection count was rigged, they were denounced as conspiracy theorists.  One cannot have it both ways.

I just do not think that same day register and voting should be allowed.  That is my personal opinion and I have the right to have that opinion regardless on how a court ruled on the subject.

you are the biggest hypocrite ever.  I was debating with you, but just because you didn't like what I said you said I was attacking you.

Again, you're are a sad individual....hateful sad individual.

First it was that **we couldn't debate,** now it is ** persecution.** When did I say I was persecuted. I merely said the Crusades have been seen in a negative light for as long as I can remember and suddenly they are being seen in a good light. That's all, kaput, the end. Martyr...don't think so.

I don't know how you can live with such disdain for all liberals and all Arab peoples and have any peace or joy in your life. That is a full-time job, being angry.