Bush told reporter Jews as "all going to hell."

An upcoming book about presidential advisor Karl Rove reports allegations of anti-semitism by President George W. Bush, RAW STORY has learned.

You know what I'm gonna tell those Jews when I get to Israel, don't you Herman? a then Governor George W. Bush allegedly asked a reporter for the Austin American-Statesman.

When the journalist, Ken Herman, replied that he did not know, Bush reportedly delivered the punch line: I'm telling 'em they're all going to hell.

This quip never received wider media attention. RAW STORY obtained a copy of The Architect late this week.

Bush's thoughts on the fate of non-Christian souls became a minor source of controversy after he told the Houston Post in 1993 that only those who accept Jesus Christ go to Heaven. However, the future president was also earlier briefly engaged to a half-Jewish woman.

The authors of The Architect assert that religion and ethnicity have been manipulated by Bush and Rove to divide and conquer the nation.

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The point is that both sides are naughty at times. I do notice more personal attacks by the C's though and I looked at the posts pretty carefully. The L's seem to rely on political/lifestyle issues to upset the C's and the C's just seem to respond with barking orders and making personal attacks (liberals are sissies, etc.)

The difference is that only the L's seem to be deleted and chastised on a regular basis. Isn't this rather unfair and un-American. It's called a double-standard and is not a pretty sight (and makes this not a pretty site)!!!!

Bush�s Snoopgate
The president was so desperate to kill The New York Times� eavesdropping story, he summoned the paper�s editor and publisher to the Oval Office. But it wasn�t just out of concern about national security.

Dec. 19, 2005 - Finally we have a Washington scandal that goes beyond sex, corruption and political intrigue to big issues like security versus liberty and the reasonable bounds of presidential power. President Bush came out swinging on Snoopgate�he made it seem as if those who didn�t agree with him wanted to leave us vulnerable to Al Qaeda�but it will not work. We�re seeing clearly now that Bush thought 9/11 gave him license to act like a dictator, or in his own mind, no doubt, like Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War.

No wonder Bush was so desperate that The New York Times not publish its story on the National Security Agency eavesdropping on American citizens without a warrant, in what lawyers outside the administration say is a clear violation of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. I learned this week that on December 6, Bush summoned Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger and executive editor Bill Keller to the Oval Office in a futile attempt to talk them out of running the story. The Times will not comment on the meeting,
but one can only imagine the president�s desperation.

The problem was not that the disclosures would compromise national security, as Bush claimed at his press conference. His comparison to the damaging pre-9/11 revelation of Osama bin Laden�s use of a satellite phone, which caused bin Laden to change tactics, is fallacious; any Americans with ties to Muslim extremists�in fact, all American Muslims, period�have long since suspected that the U.S. government might be listening in to their conversations. Bush claimed that �the fact that we are discussing this program is helping the enemy.� But there is simply no evidence, or even reasonable presumption, that this is so. And rather than the leaking being a �shameful act,� it was the work of a patriot inside the government who was trying to stop a presidential power grab.

No, Bush was desperate to keep the Times from running this important story�which the paper had already inexplicably held for a year�because he knew that it would reveal him as a law-breaker. He insists he had �legal authority derived from the Constitution and congressional resolution authorizing force.� But the Constitution explicitly requires the president to obey the law. And the post 9/11 congressional resolution authorizing �all necessary force� in fighting terrorism was made in clear reference to military intervention. It did not scrap the Constitution and allow the president to do whatever he pleased in any area in the name of fighting terrorism.

What is especially perplexing about this story is that the 1978 law set up a special court to approve eavesdropping in hours, even minutes, if necessary. In fact, the law allows the government to eavesdrop on its own, then retroactively justify it to the court, essentially obtaining a warrant after the fact. Since 1979, the FISA court has approved tens of thousands of eavesdropping requests and rejected only four. There was no indication the existing system was slow�as the president seemed to claim in his press conference�or in any way required extra-constitutional action.

This will all play out eventually in congressional committees and in the United States Supreme Court. If the Democrats regain control of Congress, there may even be articles of impeachment introduced. Similar abuse of power was part of the impeachment charge brought against Richard Nixon in 1974.

In the meantime, it is unlikely that Bush will echo President Kennedy in 1961. After JFK managed to tone down a New York Times story by Tad Szulc on the Bay of Pigs invasion, he confided to Times editor Turner Catledge that he wished the paper had printed the whole story because it might have spared him such a stunning defeat in Cuba.

This time, the president knew publication would cause him great embarrassment and trouble for the rest of his presidency. It was for that reason�and less out of genuine concern about national security�that George W. Bush tried so hard to kill the New York Times story.

you could tell that Joe Biden really did think she was joking because the question was so ridiculous, about Obama being a Marxist. No wonder these things get so inflated by the right-wing media. Ridiculous questions don't deserve to be acknowledged. What a waste of time. Someone needs to ask SP why her own home newspaper in Anchorage is supporting Obama, because she is considered too risky to be in a position a heartbeat away from the Oval Office, and the McCain campaign aides have referred to her a rogue diva. Ouch, that must have hurt! Now there are some FACTS for you!!

How do you think Jews feel when Obama shuns The Holocaust. Did their white skin give them a pass in any way before they were thrown en mass into those ovens? It wasn't right then, either. None of it is.

is absolutely correct. What was posted previously: Wright said, according to Virginia's Daily Press. "They will not let him ... talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is."

Please note what was left out (replaced with "..."). He's not just slamming Jews in general. He's talking about the influence of the Jewish vote in this country (which is a problem).

"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing of the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.

This is also true. The man is doing nothing more than speaking the truth and getting harrassed for it.

How this story was covered by either side is not the point. Or, on second thought, maybe it is. In case you haven't noticed, this is the kind of thing that Obama is trying to overcome - bipartisan politics. Did I call them neocons? Yes, because most of them are self-proclaimed neocons. But who ended up calling Obama a nazi? Hmmmm.

As noted in the OP, if you did not like the source provided, you could look it up through a media source that is more to your liking. Maybe you couldn't find this story in conservative media. Why do you think that is?

You described with great candor and honesty the most extreme side of your religion, and I appreciate the glimpse into a life that I otherwise didn't know existed.

I think many of us have experience with extremes. They're usually dirty little secrets that most people won't admit. Maybe it's time that some of them come out into the open. You've been open enough to describe some aspects of your personal life (which took a lot of courage in THIS arena). You've also triggered some not to good memories in my life.

I remember growing up in a small town as a child with my parents, my friends' parents, all my relatives (from different little towns in different states), ALL Christians and ALL HATING Jews. They blamed the liberal media on the Jews who controlled it. (I've heard this allegation again recently, in the last couple years, as well, so nobody can convince me that Christians suddenly love Jews.) If anything could make the veins in their neck pop out, it was th emention of the money the U.S. gave to Israel. The John Birch Society and Barry Goldwater were icons in my home. My father even voted once for George Wallace for president.

If a prominent Jew in my little town was a successful attorney, doctor or banker, they were referred to as such with (fill in the blank) derogatory terms preceding the Jew occupation. Jew and blacks. They received equal condemnation.

My father was a terrible bigot and racist. My cousin had a black POODLE that my dad wouldn't even permit in the house. He paid school tuition for another school during my first two years in school so I wouldn't have to go to the school less than a mile away from me because the students were 99% black. Then he couldn't afford it any more, and I was sent to the closer school.

Will never forget one Saturday when I was in third grade, going downtown with my parents for the day and seeing one of my classmates with her family, who we passed on the street. We both smiled at each other and said hello. My father SCREAMED at me in front of my classmate and her family, telling me I wasn't allowed to speak to _____. I remember feeling humiliated beyond belief, and that hurt even more than the beating I got with his belt when we got home. The embarrassment lasted a lot longer than the welts on my legs from that beating. Whatever lesson he was trying to teach me backfired because all I could think of was how nice my schoolmate was and how STUPID and HATEFUL he acted.

When I was a teenager, I worked for the local radio station and became very friendly with the news director (a JEW). He used to get me involved in all different aspects of the station that had nothing to do with my job. (He even talked me into doing a commercial.) If he had been a Jewish classmate of mine who I had been hanging out with, I would have been punished yet again. Instead, my mom thought it was so cool because this guy was basically a celebrity who was on the radio daily. I learned the true meaning of hypocrite very early on in my life.

In my mid 20s, I went to work for a Jewish attorney in my small town. Never, ever, EVER was I treated so well at a job with bonuses and raises, etc. Gorgeous bachelor to boot! LOL. We became very good friends and sometimes would have a drink after work together and just talk. I remember once he told me that I was the only girlfriend he ever had. When I asked him what he meant, he said Well, you're a girl, and you're my friend. LOL.

My daughter was in grade school at the time (ironically at the very same school I mentioned above), and every afternoon, I would leave the office to pick her up from school and bring her back to the office so she could be safe and with me until my workday ended. This wasn't my idea. It was HIS. I remember once when my birthday was on a weekend, he called me with a work emergency and asked me if I could go to the big city (about an hour away where he lived and had another office) to help with some work. He told me to bring my daughter who could stay with his mom and watch wrestling on their big screen TV while I worked. (My daughter and his mom both believed it was real, and they were good buddies.) The whole thing was a rouse just to get us there. He surprised us with a weekend stay at the plushest hotel there, room service, movies, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that we wanted, and he paid for it.

While I worked for him, my beloved aunt died. She truly was a Christian, was the organist at church, and most importantly, lived her life in a loving way (unfortunately, not a hereditary trait in my family). She had named me as co-owner on a certificate of deposit. My Christian aunts, her sisters and the executors of her estate, refused to give it to me. I'll never forget going to my aunt's house at their request, only to have them all sitting like some kind of posse on the front porch, SCREAMING at me for everyone to hear, telling me I'd never get it, and telling me to go run to my ***damn Jew lawyer. I finally did have to hire a lawyer, but it wasn't him. I was too ashamed of my family to involve him in this. They were finally forced to turn it over to me about a year later, but they never gave me my mother's wedding gown, which I had requested and which had always been stored at my aunt's house. I had wanted to give it to my daughter for her wedding, but I never saw it again. What wonderful Christians.

I refuse to believe that my small town was the only one in America with such wonderful Christian values, and I lived in the north. It's even worse in some areas of the south. From reading these boards, it's obvious that many of today's Christians are driven by extreme gutteral hatred, so I'm VERY surprised to suddenly see that they're so sympathetic to Jews. I don't believe for one second that they have an iota of respect for Jews -- either the ethnic group or the religion. What I do believe is that they're only thinking of the LOCATION of Israel and how it affects THEIR religion. Maybe I wouldn't feel that way if the hatred and intolerance and lies of some of these posters wasn't so obvious and if they didn't follow so closely the policies of Bush that do nothing but take us back into the 1950s (as Roberts would like to do, particularly with women). So many of these people remind me of the mentality I experienced in my childhood, and I believe it's alive and well today. The only difference they're wolves in sheeps' clothing today because they can no longer publicly say the things that I heard growing up and can only say these things in private when they're with their kind. In my adult life still, some misread me and think I'm one of them. It still exists. It's alive and well in America.

This sudden love of Israel and Jews is about the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen come from loving, tolerant Christians.

The can go ahead and flame away. Wrap themselves in the Bible and the American flag and destroy, deny and lie. That's how some American Christians communicate today, from Bush all the way down, down, DOWN to some posters on these boards. I must have somehow missed the day when God decided to condone blatant lying. I believe that's morally wrong. But what do I know about values? I'm a liberal.

Yes, well, I admire their faith. And this will be my last discussion with you on this particular subject.

They go on to half-assedly defend Palin by mentioning Jeremiah Wright and how there's no "religious test" for the presidency, but the Jews For Jesus are far outside the mainstream even for practicing evangelicals. ~~Jewish Defense League~~ Anti-Defamation League [I do know the difference! Whoops!] head Abe Foxman is pretending it's not a big deal by invoking the Spanish Inquisition (done by Catholics, not Protestants!) but his own organization has a longer, richer history of warning people about the deceptive and offensive tactics of the Jews for Jesus.

Sarah Palin's Jews for Jesus setting up shop in Wasilla, Alaska almost reminds us of Michael Chabon's charming The Yiddish Policeman's Union, his detective novel set in an alternate universe in which Americans settled Jewish WWII refugees in Alaska and Israel died before it was born. The incongruous idea of a Jewish settlement in far-off Sitka gives the book much of its uneasy atmosphere, especially in the mentions of the current fictional President of the US, an evangelical Christian promising to finally kick those Jews out of the pristine frontier, "pledging to restore Alaska for Alaskans, wild and clean."

The Democrats more or less handed Florida over to the Republicans when they selected (sorry, we'll say it) a black man without a rich history of pro-Israel hawkishness (even though he saw the light and came around pretty dam quick). This, though, might actually put it back in play.

I don't know where you live, but I live in the United States of America. We have freedom of religion in this country, and I'm still allowed to believe in God even if I don't share your particular religious beliefs. I thought God was the only one who passes judgment on people. What gives you the right to judge me and others on this board so negatively?

Bush told reporter Jews as "all going to hell."

Book: Bush told reporter Jews are 'all going to hell'

09/02/2006 @ 7:53 pm