This is one case where the Repubs are in the clear...
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-29
In Reply to: hello - me
this is a Dem mess. Lay it right at the feet of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and the dems who blocked reform on Fannie/Freddie at least 2 times when Alan Greenspan, John Snow, John McCain and the Bush admin telling them this exact thing was going to happen. It is all on video. I would cut them a modicum of slack if they at least admitted it, but oh no...it's all the republicans fault. Geez! How anyone could vote for ANY Democrat this round is beyond me. If I was a Democrat I wouldn't be voting for them either. At least 92 of them are worried about their jobs because the people are so PO'ed about it...they voted against it. And had Pelosi not come out BEFORE the vote tearing the hide of republicans in strips and blaming them for it yet again...she messed in her own nest. A bunch of Republicans weren't going to vote for it anyway, but the ones who would have didn't.
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http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,1106213,00.html
Saturday, Sep. 17, 2005
Looking for a Corpse to Make a Case
Senators look for a wealthy casualty of Katrina as evidence against the estate tax
By MASSIMO CALABRESI
Federal troops aren't the only ones looking for bodies on the Gulf Coast. On Sept. 9, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions called his old law professor Harold Apolinsky, co-author of Sessions' legislation repealing the federal estate tax, which was encountering sudden resistance on the Hill. Sessions had an idea to revitalize their cause, which he left on Apolinsky's voice mail: [Arizona Sen.] Jon Kyl and I were talking about the estate tax. If we knew anybody that owned a business that lost life in the storm, that would be something we could push back with.
If legislative ambulance chasing looks like a desperate measure, for the backers of repealing the estate tax, these are desperate times. Just three weeks ago, their long-sought goal of repeal seemed within reach, but Katrina dashed their hopes when Republican leaders put off an expected vote. After hearing from Sessions, Apolinsky, an estate tax lawyer who says his firm includes three multi-billionaires among its clients, mobilized the American Family Business Institute, a Washington-based group devoted to estate tax repeal. They reached out to members along the Gulf Coast to hunt for the dead.
It's been hard. Only a tiny percentage of people are affected by the estate tax—in 2001 only 534 Alabamans were subject to it. And for Hill backers of repeal, that's only part of the problem. Last year, the tax brought in $24.8 billion to the federal government. With Katrina's cost soaring, estate tax opponents need to find a way to make up the potential lost income. For now, getting repeal back on the agenda may depend on Apolinsky and his team of estate-sniffing sleuths, who are searching Internet obituaries among other places. Has he found any victims of both the hurricane and the estate tax? Not yet, Apolinsky says. But I'm still looking.—with reporting by Amanda Ripley/Washington
And the Repubs don't?
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America most certainly won. What planet have you all been living on for the past eight years??? The last administration did NOTHING for us. How do you think we got in this big mess - you really have to stop watching Fox noise and start looking at all the facts.
Repubs love that pig sty!
Let the dukey fly,I say - there was too much one-sided flinging back in the 90s and the Cons weren't the ones getting dirty.
What I find really amusing is that the Cons want to smirk and say go ahead and indict - we'll just indict you for all your nasty little crimes too! - as if that's a bad thing:) Repubs don't seem to realize that the Dems don't support criminality in their leaders the way Cons worship it in their own.
Asking Repubs to use imagination?
Exercise in futility - as you can see by the comments below, they don't seem interested in imagining what is happening to their own country. Actually sometimes I think they don't give a XXXX. Spying on Americans, arresting dissenters, confirming activist judges with pro-corporate, pro-governmental-power agendas, trashing the Constitution in favor of fabricated time of war emergency - all that's just dandy. Goes right along with how they think the USA should be. Why bother themselves to imagine where all this leads?
And, why bother themselves to consider what major role they are playing in assisting and abetting the murder of America?
La de da, all's great in Bushworld - why think at all?
Filibustering is what repubs do best.
I see this on the other message boards as well, I believe it is actually coordinated, to monopolize the discussion, to sway undecided voters maybe or convince themselves that we are the ones who are wrong.
It is exasperating. I block most of them when I can and do not engage unless someone writes "I'd vote for George again in a second." Then, well, I have to slap them with a response but it is hopeless, they don't even hear.
There are two Americas now, the rich and the poor, the pro-choice and pro-"what happens in your uterus is my business and don't you forget it."
Best advice: Do not engage.
Repubs always gripe about "politicizing" -
I would venture to guess that the Kings know more than any nay-sayer about politics and how it can affect a life - no reason whatsoever to exclude politics from a service in Mrs. King's honor. And judging by the reactions of the crowd, all comments were received in the spirit offered and were much agreed with and appreciated. You don't give standing ovations otherwise.
In mentioning long, lengthy, hop-on-the-bandwagon, take-every-chance-to-get-your-word-in, excessively drawn-out and tiresomely-exaggerated, politicized and moronic tripe-ridden ceremonies however, one name does come to mind.... Reagan! Now I think he was a decent guy, even if he chose to ignore the sharks and jackals around him who were busy at genocide - but weeks and weeks? Seven hours would have been just fine for that one too, I'm sure you'd agree.
Sheez! How do Repubs defend this?
Boggles the mind! But also learned another curious thing tonight - several people have told me they can't buy any ammunition for their guns, I think they told me AR15's or whatever the civilian model of an M16 is? - they said the rounds are not available by mail or at stores and they are told it's all being stopped at the ports and sent to Iraq. Say what??
Anybody else having a similar experience or know anything else about this? Would be curious to know if the situation in Iraq is really so bad that all civilian ammo has to be confiscated so it can be sent there.
Sounds similar to what some Repubs. were
doing to some Jewish people.
Need advice from Dems and Repubs sm
I am a swing voter. I am one who is on the fence about who to vote for. Here is my problem. I am finding that this year's presidential election is separating people. Republicans seem to be a little angrier lately since Obama leads in the pools. Dems are not as angry BUT they are very firm in their political choice. I am finding that I cannot have a discussion with anyone about this election. If I say anything about Palin, repubs jump all over me. If I question Biden, dems are horrified. I do want to vote. I will figure it all out through my own research. My question for everyone today is how do I stay friends with people during all this? Any words of advice will be appreciated as I found my self in tears this morning.
None of the repubs can spell..!!! It's "despicable." nm
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Voter suppression is not just done by Repubs.
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The repubs were rabid right before the election and sm
I decided to leave until I could come back and rub it in. Here I am to all those who had their fake "poll" saying McCain would win... I am laughing so hard and you know.. he who laughs last, laughs best. WE WON WE WON WE WON... you were WRONG. Obama DID WIN.
Wow, I guess repubs really can't handle a little
You would prefer the rovian style of of GWB & DC dishonest fearmongering to fact? O is not offering up some mushroom cloud ultimatum of do it his way or face doom. He is simply proffering that things are probably going to get worse before they get better, which is also what any reputable economist is saying. There is no quick fix for what we have allowed to happen to our country.
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Yahoo! And now all the repubs are going to squirm because they say....sm
The Iraq war was not a republican idea... the Iraq war was not about oil. Even dopey Palin admitted it was for oil.
THANK GOD WE HAVE OBAMA to get us right with the world!
Dont expect FOX Repubs to understand
your post, which was mostly right on!
Anyone who can watch FOX and *not* see the blatent attempt to TELL ITS VIEWERS what they want to hear INSTEAD of the truth must be downright stoopid. Come on get a clue: The 'teleprompter readers' just get prettier while the content gets more embarrassing. Are Americans THAT easily manipulated?
For the record though ALL MAINSTREAM media is purposefully designed to keep Americans ignorant about what is really going on - no wonder much of the rest of the world has such disdain for us: We are often not only wilfully ignorant in this country, we're arrogant about it to boot!
Question: When repubs. speak (or write), why is every
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Pure garbage. I actually think the repubs leaked that...sm
personal baloney about Sarah to gain her the sympathy vote.
This is the reason repubs are trying to bash Acorn sm
Acorn had paid people signing up new voters. The people signed up a lot of fakes because they were paid by the number of new voters they signed on. The fakes cannot vote so there is no threat. What the repubs are building a case about is that Acorn is criminal (which they are NOT) and repubs want to throw out all those millions of new voters. Because the landslide is going to be so humiliating. Even throwing out Acorn wouldn't help McCain.
I am comparing SP to other repubs - not democrats - in my question - nm
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Dear Satan Claws, you repubs .......sm
I know that a moniker is anonymous but at least the people who use the same monikers over and over aren't hiding as much as you cowards.
Satan Claws.
You Repubs and your angry rants are PITIFUL.
You Lost. You are no longer in power. America repudiated your hate, greed, racism and just generally STUPIDITY. Get over it!! Take your ball and GO HOME!
Wow, and now the Repubs claim to communicate with the Dead!
You Repubs are really embarrassing yourselves with your childish behavior. It is so, so sad to see SORE LOSERS!!! Please, grow up and GET BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT!
Suddenly the Repubs are worried about the political divide?
Oooh yeah, that's believable. Now that the ball has most definitely flown your court, you want to make sure EVERYBODY plays by the rules. Well let us tell you, the time to be polite was years ago, bucko, and your side blew its credibility in that respect. It was your senseless rampages that tore the political fabric of this nation from stem to stern - over NOTHING. So just sit back, shutty as they say on the main board, and take it on the chin like you deserve.
No, shallow Sally. Repubs are smart, but lefties
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He was on a board with Ayres and so were plenty of repubs, no biggie
I dated someone who was a liar and I'm not a liar. This is just a bunch of crap because they can't get anything on My SWEET OBIE.
Conservative Repubs rendered Clinton powerless
. . . because they were more interested in impeaching Clinton for getting head in the oval office than allowing him to carry out his presidential duties. Blame the republicans for a lame duck presidency in the last years of the Clinton administration.
Obama is shrewd, savvy, honest, and the repubs are not going to be able to touch him. They'll try . . . but it's a waste of time.
BEAMING WITH PRIDE AT BEING AN AMERICAN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 8 YEARS.
  
Sorry, CJ...it is not as clear to me as it is to you..
that John McCain wants to continue fighting anywhere. What John McCain understands is that you cannot reason with some people (including terrorists) because they have no interest in getting along. That is not their agenda. They want us dead and our way of life dead. That is not going to change by sitting down and talking to them.
Seriously, I believe that all the things that enable a person to endure such torture over an extended period of time builds character and traits that are essential to leadership. So if you put 5 years in a prison camp up next to 4 years as a senator (2 of those at state level) where you voted present when you voted...then yes. I think 5 years in a prison camp plus serving as a military officer and commanding hundreds of soldiers makes him more qualified than Obama on the face of it...at the very least, AS qualified. And, at the very least, it demonstrates to me that John McCain puts his country first, even before himself. And to me, friend, that speaks volumes.
Obviously I was not clear enough either...
you could always ask where someone stands on a ban on gay marriage without asking how they VOTED on an issue.
I have not seen that many people on this board who were really invested in gay marriage.
If you're not gay and you don't live there...not sure why it matters to you so much? What anyone thinks?
Oh no, you have been quite clear,
and throughout this discussion you have been very cordial (I do apologize for the momentary snapishness in my last post.) Nor in your most recent post did you sink to the level of saying 'I will type slower - or use smaller words - so you can understand.' However, when someone tells me that my argument lacks merit because I do not truly understand the problem or have not thought the implications through, it brings out a bit of bitchiness in me. It is the same reaction I have when I read posts on this board saying that those who listen to Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., are being manipulated and not thinking for ourselves. (I actually consider myself a conservative, strangely enough.)
I think you do see and maybe even understand my point, as I see and feel I get where you are coming from. We see, but will have to agree to disagree.
I do not pretend that legalizing marijuana will make the world a better place, only that it will make our laws more consistent. The legality of alcohol and tobacco while marijuana remains illegal is very inconsistent. And I think the bottle no longer contains that particular genie (if it ever did). The criminalization of such behavior creates small criminals and enriches bigger criminals.
You say 'I wish no one took any mind-altering substances of any kind.' Does this mean you are a teetotaler and not somebody who enjoys a brewski on a summer day after mowing the lawn, maybe a glass of wine with dinner, as I do?
I think kids hear their government, teachers and parents painting marijuana as the 'demon killer weed' which opens the floodgates to all other substance abuse. Smoke a joint, die with a needle in your arm. Then they watch those same adults drink legal alcohol, smoke legal cigarettes, overuse prescription drugs and they see the entire thing as yet another example of extreme phoniness.
Maybe some people will try legalized marijuana who never did when it was illegal. Maybe, deprived of its mystique and the element of rebellion, fewer kids will need to act out in that particular way. If alcohol were illegal for everyone and their parents were committing a criminal act just to obtain it (which you know they would do) would fewer or more teenagers use it? If a kid walking into a 'speakeasy' were no more or less illegal than his parents doing it, what would be the result? Interesting question.
And now I am going to offer you something a woman seldom does - the last word. The final post can be yours. I've said my piece.
So clear this up for me
The man who rapes and kills a young child, but truly believes in Jesus, acknowledges that what he did was wrong and a violation of both God's law and man's law...this man gets into heaven. The Jewish man, who spent his life working hard, raising his family to be wonderful human beings, donated regularly to the American Heart Association, and volunteered his time in an inner city school in a literacy program...he is doomed?
And I refer to myself as a heathen because I believe that it is my character and the life I have lived here that will determine my entrance to heaven, not my belief in Jesus's death and resurrection. Of course, maybe I'm just pragmatic. Just in case the Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or even the Native Americans have it right, I'd like to think I've still got a chance at getting past St. Peter or whoever their respective gatekepper is.
So clear this up for me
The man who rapes and kills a young child, but truly believes in Jesus, acknowledges that what he did was wrong and a violation of both God's law and man's law...this man gets into heaven. The Jewish man, who spent his life working hard, raising his family to be wonderful human beings, donated regularly to the American Heart Association, and volunteered his time in an inner city school in a literacy program...he is doomed?
And I refer to myself as a heathen because I believe that it is my character and the life I have lived here that will determine my entrance to heaven, not my belief in Jesus's death and resurrection. Of course, maybe I'm just pragmatic. Just in case the Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or even the Native Americans have it right, I'd like to think I've still got a chance at getting past St. Peter or whoever their respective gatekeeper is.
If it is all clear cut that
Pelosi told the truth and the CIA is, in fact, lying....why not just let the investigation go on so the dems could tell the GOP to stick it and prove once and for all who was involved and who is lying, etc. If Pelosi is telling the truth, which I highly doubt, there should be no reason to avoid an investigation.
Hatred is only shown by repubs on this board. PALIN IS NOT QUALIFIED and it has nothing to do with
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It will take YEARS for repubs to recover from PALIN AND BUSH AND FOX NEWS... sm
Because they have demeaned themselves and truly hurt the republican party.
Does Fox ever say anything nice or true or helpful to repubs and dems alike? nm
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Oh, I red you loud and clear
and "red" was not a spelling error. Strong arming anyone into producing anything for the government is like pre and post WWII Soviet Union....you got it right when you said red and I'm not referring red state conservatives either.
Many (not all) think you have all the answers, but when it turns to action you are ready to guilt and strong arm SOMEONE ELSE to do the work.
Yep...clear....said talking to me was
like talking to your mother who had a personality disorder. Bashing me and using your mother's illness to do it. Not many ways you can take it. YOU said it. YOU brought it up. This is YOUR can of worms.
I would like to clear up perhaps some confusion.....
About "socialized" medicine. What most of you may not know is that we already have socialized medicine. That is what Medicade and Medicare is (which is financially driven by insurance companies for insurance companies tell the government what they will pay. In essense, the insurance companies are setting the bar). Most countries have some sort of socialized medicine. Canada has what is referred to as single-pay medicine, which is soley funded by the government. Those opposed to single-pay medicine here in the US are the ones stating that it does not work. However, those who have it in Canada and Britain for the most part are not complaining. Of course, you can't please everyone.
For every $50,000 in income that you make about $10,000 of your tax dollars (equal to what is allocated for defense) is going toward healthcare. Add that along with roughly the $10,000 dollars that most companies pay for your insurance, that's quite a chunk of change. But you say, well the company is paying for it, not me. But that is wrong as well, if the companies whom we work for did not have to provide medical insurance for us, there would be higher wages.
So, for someone like me, a healthy 40 something :o), who spends about $1000 dollars a year in preventative health maintenance, why am I paying $20,000, which I might add that for any catastrophic healthcare issue should occur, I would still be desitute from the financial responsibility of picking up where my insurance company falls short? If this is not an argument for healthcare reform.....
Healthcare in the US is the hands of insurance companies, where I don't believe it should be. So for those of you opposed to socialized or single-pay medicine, you are already paying for it, why not make it function better and pull it out of the hands of the fat-cat insurance companies?
Let me be perfectly clear about what I said.
Since the poster above seems to think he/she can put words in my mouth, I will tell you exactly what I said.
I fully expect all posters to be respectful and not put down the President (current or past) or anyone else for that matter. I don't care if they're Liberal, Conservative, or polka dotted.
On the forum, you will be respectful in posting or you won't be allowed to post.
Think you can handle that? If you can't, don't post. It's just that simple.
Let me make something clear.
I am African American. I have never seen Africa. The human race originated on the continent of Africa. Now, what do you consider yourself? You can call yourself whatever you want. We want to be known as African American.
Let's make this a little more clear as well...
Both Obama and Biden voted to fund the bridge to nowhere and then voted to defund it. Who flipped first? biggg LOL.
Well, Howard Dean was governor of Vermont, right? Little old Vermont? Fewer folks than Alaska. His approval rating wasn't that high. He also ran for Presidential nomination. Only having been a governor of a state with population smaller than Alaska's. He is now the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Apparently Democrats only have problems with smaller population governors if they are Republican. That is a belly LOL.
Oh please...cheating? Have you done any research on how Obama had one of his early rivals for office kicked off the ticket so he would not have to run against her? Now THAT is cheating I can believe in. Because that was cheating in politics, not his personal life.
What McCain did in his personal life does not excuse Barack Obama for what he did in his public life. I don't care what either of them does in his personal life...what I care about is what they have done in their public life. McCain certainly keeps better company than Obama does...talk about "uglies." And they are not in the past.
I think we can retire the bridge to nowhere since Obama and Biden were for it before they were against it also. THEY voted with COngress to defund it, so she turned the money to other infrastructure projects that she felt Alaska needed more. Sounds like good judgment to me.
Don't understand the Wild West comment. "Maverick" was a term applied to cattle who refused to run with the herd.
Actually, you are rehashing the same old stuff and accusing her of rehashing old stuff. Does that mean you need a thesaurus also? Just asking.
The difference is clear.
No one is saying it's all 'we people' have to worry about. But it does give us a glance in to O's morals. Win at all cost. No matter who he has to betray in the process. Doesn't that concern you at all?
And I fail to see your correlation between Obama exploiting a bracelet he was not asked specifically NOT to, and McCain choosing a woman as his running mate. If Clinton had been O's running mate, what would your argument be then?
And I beg you to do a bit more research on exactly what O is proposing to do to the middle class. Just because someone tells you something, it doesn't mean you should believe it without checking the facts, especially from a man running for president.
It reminds me of grade school class president elections. There was always that 'popular kid' who didn't know jack but got everybody to vote for him by promising longer lunch periods and movies on friday and free pop in the lunch room. The difference is, we're not twelve anymore.
Forgive me for not being clear enough for you (sm)
I guess the simplified question for you would be -- why bring religion into a post that had nothing to do with religion?
I think it is perfectly clear
how things will go with regards to Obama. As evident by this board, I think it is very obvious that some people may hold back their "judgments" or concerns about Barrack Obama for the simple fact that any criticism aimed at the president thus far is construed as racism. How dare we criticize what he does, his agenda, etc. because he is the first mixed race president.
I also think that he will be judged less harshly because the liberal media will not cover things fairly. They will continue to portray Barrack Obama as the savior/rock star.
When this stimulus package fails to stimulate the economy and when our economy is still suffering at the end of his term, we will see how fairly he will be judged. Until then, he is getting a free pass by the liberal media and people too eager to throw out the race card or people who are too afraid to criticize for fear of being called racist.
Oh, I get it alright and it's becoming more clear by
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Let me make myself emphatically clear
I'm not gay either closet or open. I really don't care if you believe that I'm not MT. No skin off my back, but calling someone gay just because they reply to someone's posts is really stretching it and only makes you look odd like you have some gay obssession yourself. No one was calling anyone gay until you arrived today.
It's perfectly clear to me what the context was, so if it's above you, then
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Does anyone else see a clear and present danger?
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Your comments were straightforward and clear.
I hope anyone reading this will go back and look at the post I quoted from, as well as all your other posts and form their own impressions.
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