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Do you think men don't come back from all wars changed? SM

Posted By: Brunson on 2005-08-09
In Reply to: PTSD - gt

What war is worth fighting for?  Explain that to me.  During World War II, ten times the men that have died in Iraq in two years died in one day.  How many is too many?  What is worth fighting for?




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    I dont hate Obama. I just dont see him as qualified
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    You dont get it. Most dont want O to fail, they feel
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    If these wars go on much longer we will need to reinstitue
    .
    If these wars go on much longer we will need to reinstitue
    .
    wars are part of life.
    Sometimes they cannot be avoided. 99.9% of pregnancies can be avoided. Unwanted babies can be adopted. There is absolutely no comparison between loss of life in war and killing the unborn. your attitude is pathetic.
    fake wars? you are delusional.
    x
    I will be so glad when the culture wars are over
    Self-rightous yuppies craming their radical ideas down everyone's throat. Church law versus the bible. They make this stuff up as they go along.
    Get off the Bush's wars thing....
    First of all, Congress put us there, both parties, and your hero has said we belong in Afghanistan and has stepped that one up since he has been in office. There is your inconvenient truth.

    Second of all, you again missed the BIG point. If he is concerned about us here, then let him follow through with his "immediate withdrawal" promise and bring home members of the National Guard. There is a reason why a national force should be STATE controlled, not controlled at the Federal level. Posse comitatus was written for a reason...and the way to get around that is to make it a "police" force and not a military force. I cannot BELIEVE that a thinking person would even ENTERTAIN the thought that a national police force was a good thing. Have you been watching the Iranian Republican Guard lately? THAT is a national police force. And you want something like THAT in this country? COmpletely controllable by ONE man? You ARE kidding, RIGHT????
    Most wars in our history have been started by Democrats. sm
    Thus, your hypothesis is an empty one.
    I do not support unjust wars, and I am not ashamed to say so!
    Do you know many billions of dollars have been wasted in Iraq? Our men and women do not belong there, and I believe their time would be better spent doing something constructive in this country rather than killing people in other countries.
    It will save money by not having to support TWO wars....
    That same old BS - tax and spend democrats..........it takes money to make money....I suppose we could just sit here and do NOTHING......that was working, wasn't it?
    Thanks...glad you could see it for what it was. Star Wars, pure and simple...nm

    Despite your attempt at spin - Afghan and Iraq are 2 different wars.....nm
    x
    Trying to lump the 2 wars into one and call Obama a liar is S-P-I-N
    Unless you are really ignorant and do not realize that Iraq and Afghanistan are 2 separate countries. (The middle east......Obama was going to bring our troops home! Now he's sending 17,000 troops to Afghanistan! He lied!) You try to incite "war" against Obama based on your inability to comprehend what you read and what you don't remember..........sounds like BS to me.
    Former Head of Star Wars: Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
    Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
    Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks

    Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006

    The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

    Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

    Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.

    In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.



    Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack.

    The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise, said Bowman

    I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation.

    Asked if he could name a prime suspect who was the likely architect behind the attacks, Bowman stated, If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney.

    Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11.

    Bowman agreed that the US was in danger of slipping into a dictatorship and stated, I think there's been nothing closer to fascism than what we've seen lately from this government.

    Bowman slammed the Patriot Act as having, Done more to destroy the rights of Americans than all of our enemies combined.



    Bowman trashed the 9/11 Commission as a politically motivated cover-up with abounding conflicts of interest, charging, The 9/11 Commission omitted anything that might be the least bit suspicious or embarrassing or in any way detract from the official conspiracy so it was a total whitewash.

    There needs to be a true investigation, not the kind of sham investigations we have had with the 9/11 omission and all the rest of that junk, said Bowman.

    Asked if the perpetrators of 9/11 were preparing to stage another false-flag attack to reinvigorate their agenda Bowman agreed that, I can see that and I hope they can't pull it off, I hope they are prevented from pulling it off but I know darn good and well they'd like to have another one.

    A mainstay of the attack pieces against Charlie Sheen have been that he is not credible enough to speak on the topic of 9/11. These charges are ridiculed by the fact that Sheen is an expert on 9/11 who spends hours a day meticulously researching the topic, something that the attack dogs have failed to do, aiming their comments solely at Sheen's personal life and ignoring his invitation to challenge him on the facts.

    In addition, from the very start we have put forth eminently credible individuals only for them to be ignored by the establishment media. Physics Professors, former White House advisors and CIA analysts, the father of Reaganomics, German Defense Ministers and Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury, have all gone public on 9/11 but have been uniformly ignored by the majority of the establishment press.

    Will Robert Bowman also be blackballed as the mainstream continue to misrepresent the 9/11 truth movement as an occupation of the fringe minority?

    Bowman is currently running for Congress in Florida's 15th District.

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    http://www.prisonplanet.com/article...mainsuspect.htm

    Wanna revist the Romney/McCain primary wars?
    Then he was "honored" to share speeching spotlight with Cindy and SP at RNC. Did he lie? Which time? SP's ebay claim was presented to the entire nation as a feather in her fiscal responsibility cap. This flies in the face of information found on this most interesting link, authored by a Wasilla woman who has personally known SP since 1992. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp
    It was a Star Wars reference......you're the one that injected racism. nm

    I dont WANT war. Dont judge me!
    nm
    Of course, this was all before 9/11, which, of course, changed everything. nm

    He must have really changed
    since the last time I watched his show then.  Hmmm.
    What has changed? sm
    Obama stated after a landslide victory in 2004 in his bid for Illinois senator that he didn't feel he had the experience to run on a national ticket in 2008. 

    What has changed? 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gexyfVpFMU
    I see you changed your name.
    Stop the dang bashing. This is not a board for spelling police.
    yes, he changed the story

    "just a bit" to better prove his point that she was a reformer.  Like his cross in the dirt story as a POW.  When he first told it, it happened to someone else.  It went over better when he changed it to first person. That is dangerous behavior.  We have been through 8 years of information manipulation.  Please no more.


     


    He's changed his plan but yet again..
    The McCain-Palin campaign has critized his tax plans as welfare, so Barack’s campaign has come back and tweaked it to add a work requirement. (They will materialize things out of thin air as needed to get elected.) This comes from the New Hampshire Union Leader in reply.


    Glad to see not much has changed :)
    politics as usual! :)
    they have not changed the rules yet
    Hedge funds are still doing sneak attacks on companies, driving them into the dirt.
    Citigroup got hit today, down 23%. It is worth 6 bucks and one year ago was 40. They need to change the rules on these hedge funds. They can pick on any company and kill it in a day.
    The constitution will most likely be changed for him.
    nm
    I never changed my moniker and always

    posted inside my messages so my thoughts would not get lost. I take full credit for what I post and usually try to post anything of interest to others, so I don't care who knows my moniker. They can read or discard, but I will get my reasoning and/or thoughs/suggestions out there.


    I've been bashed plenty of times prior to the election but I don't care. I still don't care who likes me or not. I get my thoughts out there and that's all that matters. I don't hide like some people on this board do, or change names. Running a post through the name part does no one any good except to tell everyone they don't want to use the comment part of the board. I usually bypass those.


    I also suggest if anyone posts that they use (nm) or NM in their subject if they have nothing else to say. I spend a lot of time opening a message to find nothing underneath that post. To me that is waste of time.


    I thought they changed it to anyone
    making over 235,000 now.  I will have to look that up.
    because the situation OVER THERE CHANGED,
    Taliban in Pakistan is getting stronger!
    Think and get more flexible.
    they changed that $250K...
    Now they're saying more like $200K and going lower. And let's just face it. 20 bucks or $200K, everybody is gonna pay more taxes.
    So you think the genocidal Saddam changed
    That's the real question here.  Have you listened to his tirades during his circus of a trial?  Anyone who believed Saddam changed from being mentally unstable genocidal megalomanic while still the dictator of Iraq has to be the most naive person on Earth.  Because he is demonstrating in court that he's still a megalomanic. The U.N. gave them adequate time to straighten up and fly right, and as you know the U.N. is having major corruption problems, so any agreements we have with them are shaky at best.  You are right on one statement.  The war in Iraq was wayyyy overdue. 
    Maybe he changed his mind like Palin sm
    changed her mind on the whole Bridge to Nowhere fiasco.  She makes a bid to-do about it in her speech, about how she shot it down or opposed it, but in the beginning she was all for it.  I guess she changed her mind like Biden changed his mind about McCain.  Or how the McCain's changed their mind on what was behind the adoption of their daughter.
    Okay....then let's just say neither of them are liars. They just changed their minds.
    I'll go with that. My entire point is that you can't really call one of them a liar and say the other just "changed his/her mind."
    Looks like McCain changed his mind again. sm

    In October 2007 McCain had the following to say, referring to Romney and Giuliani I believe, when they were all starting out in the Rep. nomination process.  I bolded the part he seemed to have changed his mind on.  I am sure if SP wasn't his running mate now he might feel the same way he did back them.


    "I have had a strong and a long relationship on national security, I've been involved in every national crisis that this nation has faced since Beirut, I understand the issues, I understand and appreciate the enormity of the challenge we face from radical Islamic extremism.  I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time."


    has anyone changed Pres choice in
    x
    Nope, I haven't changed. s/m

    I will be voting AGAINST McCain or for Obama whichever way you want to look at it.  As I have listened carefully to Obama, particularly on his infomercial, I find that I like him more and believe in him more.  I still have a problem with  his church but then I guess there is still Congress and there is STILL the people who can put pressure on Congress if need be.


    What I said was that I COULD change my mind, let's say if Obama pulled a really big boner (doubtful)  between now or Tuesday or McCain said something that convinced me he was the better of the candidates.  I don't expect either to happen.  I don't know if the people voting for McCain have heard different speaches by him and Palin and I've been out in lala land or what but all I have heard them do is talk about what Obama is going to do and not do, scare tactics,  nothing about their plans. In other words the whole McCain campaign has been about trashing Obama.  I think that Obama has handled all the trashing very professionally and has looked quite presidential.


    Okay - I agree that the site has been changed; however -
    I think the first time it was posted, someone just did not put all the information there by mistake. You can see by the links I posted below that it was never the intent to make it mandatory for everyone, but mandatory in order to receive the college credit of $4000.

    We are all transcriptionists and we all know how easy it is to make mistakes while typing - somebody just left out part of what they were supposed to type there.
    Unfortunately changed started 8 years ago. n/m
    x
    Yes.....changed the subject from Obama.......sm
    to anchor babies growing up to be president. And didn't I say that I would help you rant and rail over it when the time comes?

    If a person is born on US soil, they are considered a US natural born citizen unless they choose to denounce it. They are therefore "endowned with certain inalienable rights" one of them being citizenship.
    That is correct.... it can be edited and changed by
    --
    We haven't changed the rules at all. To what are you referring?
    /
    yeah well America's morals have changed
    interracial marriages used to be illegal. One day we ill look upon the ban against gay marriage to be as rediculous of a notion as not allowing blacks to go to school with whites. The times, they are a changin!
    This is the year 2008 - times have changed
    So you think that because you work at home that's the way it should be for everyone. Sorry but this is the year 2008. I for one am glad that woman are out working in society/public. I'm glad that a mother can also be a govenor or senator or anything they want to be. My working at home is my choice. Thank goodness we as woman have that choice. And thanks to people like Sarah Palin it can only get better for us.
    You changed your mind? your opinion from yesterday....sm
    My, you are all over the board sometimes....

    http://forum.mtstars.com/misc/v/11/33417.html
    Changed my mind, wanta hear what I did?

    First, husband went to bed.  I'm watching SNL and dying  laughing but can't stand commercials.  Now that that is out of the way.


    With that out of the way.........as for the face scratching...I dunno.  Once I was addressing a rather respected, dignified person and being a person who can't talk without my hands, I realized instead of using my index finger for my emphasis, I was using my middle finger.  I wasn't flipping him off but I'm surprised he didn't write me off.  One of my most embarrassing moments.


    Back to SNL at least until the next commercial


    FYI - her original post didn't contain *****, it was changed
    x
    And if you notice it also says he changed his site and took the words out...

    and I tend to believe the word require was actually there. 


    UPDATE II: Oopsie. Change-O, Government-O drops the word "require" from their vocabulary in Obama's Change.gov website on "voluntary service" for Obama's new "Youth Corps" program.

    Right.

    UPDATE III: Obama forgot to remove "require" in one of his Change.gov website on service requirement,


    I guess the throngs that changed his name at rallies...
    or at least SOME of them have become a little disenchanted. Good for them. Can we recall a President? lol.