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It will save money by not having to support TWO wars....

Posted By: sm on 2009-02-26
In Reply to: Take your blinders off would ya? - sm

That same old BS - tax and spend democrats..........it takes money to make money....I suppose we could just sit here and do NOTHING......that was working, wasn't it?


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I do not support unjust wars, and I am not ashamed to say so!
Do you know many billions of dollars have been wasted in Iraq? Our men and women do not belong there, and I believe their time would be better spent doing something constructive in this country rather than killing people in other countries.
How can she save so much money with 6 childen? ..nm
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I support the plan to LOAN the money to the mortage firms in crisis.
At 2% interest.

Why should they be GIVEN a huge wad of cash to bail them out. If you or I were in desperate straits, our only option would be a loan, not a gimmee. Either way, Congress is going to have to give them the money. But I think we should expect a pay-back plan to be set forth BEFORE they get the dough, and not just give them a blank check for 700 billion.
Is Obama losing support or winning support?
John Clodfelter of Mechanicsville, Va., whose son was among the 17 sailors killed in the Cole bombing, said he arrived at the meeting with apprehension over the decision to close the prison. But after listening to the president and being assured that the terrorism suspects would not be released, Mr. Clodfelter said his opinion changed.

“I did not vote for the man,” Mr. Clodfelter said, “but the way he talks to you, you can’t help but believe in him. He left me with a very positive feeling that he’s going to get this done right.”
Do you think men don't come back from all wars changed? SM

What war is worth fighting for?  Explain that to me.  During World War II, ten times the men that have died in Iraq in two years died in one day.  How many is too many?  What is worth fighting for?


If these wars go on much longer we will need to reinstitue
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If these wars go on much longer we will need to reinstitue
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wars are part of life.
Sometimes they cannot be avoided. 99.9% of pregnancies can be avoided. Unwanted babies can be adopted. There is absolutely no comparison between loss of life in war and killing the unborn. your attitude is pathetic.
fake wars? you are delusional.
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I will be so glad when the culture wars are over
Self-rightous yuppies craming their radical ideas down everyone's throat. Church law versus the bible. They make this stuff up as they go along.
Get off the Bush's wars thing....
First of all, Congress put us there, both parties, and your hero has said we belong in Afghanistan and has stepped that one up since he has been in office. There is your inconvenient truth.

Second of all, you again missed the BIG point. If he is concerned about us here, then let him follow through with his "immediate withdrawal" promise and bring home members of the National Guard. There is a reason why a national force should be STATE controlled, not controlled at the Federal level. Posse comitatus was written for a reason...and the way to get around that is to make it a "police" force and not a military force. I cannot BELIEVE that a thinking person would even ENTERTAIN the thought that a national police force was a good thing. Have you been watching the Iranian Republican Guard lately? THAT is a national police force. And you want something like THAT in this country? COmpletely controllable by ONE man? You ARE kidding, RIGHT????
Most wars in our history have been started by Democrats. sm
Thus, your hypothesis is an empty one.
Thanks...glad you could see it for what it was. Star Wars, pure and simple...nm

Despite your attempt at spin - Afghan and Iraq are 2 different wars.....nm
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Trying to lump the 2 wars into one and call Obama a liar is S-P-I-N
Unless you are really ignorant and do not realize that Iraq and Afghanistan are 2 separate countries. (The middle east......Obama was going to bring our troops home! Now he's sending 17,000 troops to Afghanistan! He lied!) You try to incite "war" against Obama based on your inability to comprehend what you read and what you don't remember..........sounds like BS to me.
Former Head of Star Wars: Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.

In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.



Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack.

The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise, said Bowman

I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation.

Asked if he could name a prime suspect who was the likely architect behind the attacks, Bowman stated, If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney.

Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11.

Bowman agreed that the US was in danger of slipping into a dictatorship and stated, I think there's been nothing closer to fascism than what we've seen lately from this government.

Bowman slammed the Patriot Act as having, Done more to destroy the rights of Americans than all of our enemies combined.



Bowman trashed the 9/11 Commission as a politically motivated cover-up with abounding conflicts of interest, charging, The 9/11 Commission omitted anything that might be the least bit suspicious or embarrassing or in any way detract from the official conspiracy so it was a total whitewash.

There needs to be a true investigation, not the kind of sham investigations we have had with the 9/11 omission and all the rest of that junk, said Bowman.

Asked if the perpetrators of 9/11 were preparing to stage another false-flag attack to reinvigorate their agenda Bowman agreed that, I can see that and I hope they can't pull it off, I hope they are prevented from pulling it off but I know darn good and well they'd like to have another one.

A mainstay of the attack pieces against Charlie Sheen have been that he is not credible enough to speak on the topic of 9/11. These charges are ridiculed by the fact that Sheen is an expert on 9/11 who spends hours a day meticulously researching the topic, something that the attack dogs have failed to do, aiming their comments solely at Sheen's personal life and ignoring his invitation to challenge him on the facts.

In addition, from the very start we have put forth eminently credible individuals only for them to be ignored by the establishment media. Physics Professors, former White House advisors and CIA analysts, the father of Reaganomics, German Defense Ministers and Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury, have all gone public on 9/11 but have been uniformly ignored by the majority of the establishment press.

Will Robert Bowman also be blackballed as the mainstream continue to misrepresent the 9/11 truth movement as an occupation of the fringe minority?

Bowman is currently running for Congress in Florida's 15th District.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/article...mainsuspect.htm

Wanna revist the Romney/McCain primary wars?
Then he was "honored" to share speeching spotlight with Cindy and SP at RNC. Did he lie? Which time? SP's ebay claim was presented to the entire nation as a feather in her fiscal responsibility cap. This flies in the face of information found on this most interesting link, authored by a Wasilla woman who has personally known SP since 1992. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp
It was a Star Wars reference......you're the one that injected racism. nm

Printing money we dont have? Borrowing money
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O's votes support his claims. JM's votes support Bush.
Believe what you like. Voting records tell the tale. Could use a few more details on that budget. Just what programs will he slash and and how many tax dollars will be directed away from middle class and in the direction of the rich? How much longer can the infrastructure afford to crumble?

JM adopted O's withdrawal plan when he saw how well it went over with the public in an election year. He flipped on the war once. What's to stop him from flipping again once elected? The nation is war weary. Some prefer a surge in diplomacy, not military answers to diplomatic failures. Ask the Iraqis who have lost more than 100,000 among them how sucessful the war has been. Obama has always understood that the OBL/Taliban live in Afganistan, not Iraq. JM, a little slow on the draw there.

I see nothing in JMs platform that backs his claims about transparency. I see specific plan on the O side under technology initiatives, continued initiatives which originated under Clinton and were reversed during the undercover Bush administration. Pork barrel spending for pubs means something different than it does to dems. Slash the poor to give to the rich? Hard seel in the current economic frefall. Also find nothing in JM's plan to address runaway contract corruption in Iraq. Having Halliburton and companies there props up those struggling American corporations. Show me the plan.

Antiglobal/antidiplomacy. No surprise there. This is about the futureworld, not American imperial delusions of grandeur. So much data on the drilling scam being an immediate relief for gas problems out there it is not worth addressing. Can you say T-Bone Pickens, i.e., we can't drill our way out of this one. He should know. Been an oil man all his life.

Since these are just a few, what else do you have up your sleeve?
It takes money to make money. nm


Save Lewis sm

This is crazy.


http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060523153709990005&ncid=NWS00010000000001


 


Thanks - probably will save the sanity that way
I have not yet once in a few months now found any of the O worshippers to have a rational connversation. Well some of them I have had a good conversation with, so don't want to lump them all in one group, but for the most part it's like you say....talking to a brick wall. So going to shut down for a few days and will be watching the news about the hearings. I just hope and pray that justice will be served, and I'd like an explanation from the O as to why he commited fraud knowingly and duped half (maybe now less than half because some of them are coming out) the country. Then it will be interesting to see if ol HRC files a lawsuit against him.
ssh...they might come back. there is no one over there to save!
Lets talk about who is going to be the new treasury secretary. I like volker. I would like to see the interest rate on my savings account go back up to 13%!
"YOUR CAN SAVE US"??? what does that mean?
I feel like you are going to stalk me. 
Save some Tums for yourself. You will need more
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Save the pity for

ALL who will need it in the next four years.   That would be everyone who feels duped for having voted Obama in.  Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. 


In the words of Yogi Berra:  'It ain't over till it's over.'  There will be another election in four years.  


We gave Carter - the 1-term wonder - a chance and he wrecked the economy.  Reagan fixed the economy (with tax cuts) and bankrupted the USSR out of the arms race.  There could be no more stark example of socialism vs free-market economics. 


Just to save some dim bulb

the trouble, let me be the first to accuse you of being a racist, a paranoid, a nasty, hateful person (did I miss anything?) for bringing up all these facts about the president and the party who only have your best interests in mind. How dare you say these things when our brave president is trying his very best to fill your gas tank and pay your mortgage.  You should be ashamed. 


See?  Now nobody else has to break a sweat typing furiously to put you in your place.  I'm sure we all feel much better now.


He only did this to save his own butt.
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Of course they don't..... they think Obama is here to save
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continued...save lives????
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God save us from your source of accuracy. nm

She's trying to save us from our evil ways
:o)
Bush tries to save some face --

It looks like our wonderful govt is thinking about another stimulus -- remember those tax rebates we got back in the spring of this year? It was $600 an individual and $1200 a couple.  The govt doesn't want to do quite the same kind of stimulus as last time because -- get this -- 80% of the Americans who received it used it to either pay down debt or bolster savings.  Here's what they want the new stimulus to do:


•The extension of unemployment benefits and possibly food stamps from 39 to 52 weeks.


•A boost in infrastructure spending, despite the problems of getting the money to work quickly.


•Some relief for state and local governments facing tighter budgets because of lower tax receipts and rising Medicaid costs.


God forbid we give something to the middle class -- let's extend the food stamps and boost the "infrastructure spending" -- what is that anyway?  I'm guessing it's a way to line the pockets of the suits even more.  When is it going to end?


if you are determined to save all children
You have a moral obligation to end this war and to bring them home, and as veterans you have a moral obligation to financially support and care for them and their children for the rest of their lives.
The BF sounds brainwashed. Tell him to save
Religion (or lack of) is a personal choice, and he shouldn't be trying to force his beliefs on you or anyone else.
Save your breath. People that believe
worldnutdaily are not the type of folks who trust reputable sources.
What Government must do to save capitalism

What government must do to save capitalism





Special to Globe and Mail Update




From time to time in human history, there occur events of seismic significance, when one orthodoxy is overthrown and another takes its place. Today, the scale of the global financial crisis demands that we re-evaluate the economic policy and philosophy that brought us to this point.


George Soros has said that "the salient feature of the current financial crisis is that it was not caused by some external shock. ... The crisis was generated by the system itself." He is right. The current crisis is the culmination of a 30-year domination of economic policy by a free-market ideology that has been variously called neo-liberalism, economic liberalism or economic fundamentalism. The central thrust of this ideology has been that government activity should be constrained, and ultimately replaced, by market forces. In the past year, we have seen how unchecked market forces have brought capitalism to the precipice.


Instead of distributing risk throughout the world, the global financial system has intensified it. Neo-liberal orthodoxy held that global financial markets would ultimately self-correct - the invisible hand of unfettered market forces finding their own equilibrium. But as economist Joseph Stiglitz has caustically observed: "The reason that the invisible hand often seems invisible is that it is not there."


Just as it fell to Franklin Roosevelt to rebuild American capitalism after the Depression, and to the American Democrats, strongly influenced by John Maynard Keynes, to rebuild postwar domestic demand, to engineer the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe and to set in place the Bretton Woods system to govern international economic engagement, so it falls to a new generation to reflect on and rebuild our national and international economic systems.



If centrist governments are to save capitalism, they must face three challenges. First is to use the agency of the state to reconstitute properly regulated markets and to rebuild domestic and global demand. With the demise of neo-liberalism, the role of the state has once more been recognized as fundamental. The state has been the primary actor in responding to three clear areas of the current crisis: in rescuing the private financial system from collapse; in providing direct stimulus to the real economy because of the collapse in private demand; and in the design of a national and global regulatory regime in which government has ultimate responsibility to determine and enforce the rules of the system.


The second challenge for social democrats is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. As the global financial crisis unfolds and the hard impact on jobs is felt by families across the world, the pressure will be great to retreat to some model of an all-providing state and to abandon altogether the cause of open, competitive markets both at home and abroad. Protectionism has already begun to make itself felt, albeit in softer and more subtle forms than the crudity of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930. Soft or hard, protectionism is a surefire way of turning recession into depression, as it exacerbates the collapse in global demand. Social democracy's continuing philosophical claim to political legitimacy is its capacity to balance the private and the public, profit and wages, the market and the state. That philosophy once again speaks with clarity and cogency to the challenges of our time.


A further challenge for governments in dealing with the current crisis is its almost unprecedented global dimensions. Governments must craft consistent global financial regulations to prevent a race to the bottom, where capital leaks out to the areas of the global economy with the weakest regulation. We must establish stronger global disclosure standards for systemically important financial institutions. We must also build stronger supervisory frameworks to provide incentives for more responsible corporate conduct, including executive remuneration.


The world has turned to co-ordinated governmental action through the Group of 20: to help provide immediate liquidity to the global financial system; to co-ordinate sufficient fiscal stimulus to respond to the growth gap arising from the global recession; to redesign global regulatory rules for the future; to reform the existing global public institutions - especially the International Monetary Fund - to provide them with the powers and resources necessary for the demands of the 21st century.


The IMF's governance arrangements must be reformed. It is only reasonable that, if we expect fast-growing developing economies such as that of China to make a greater contribution to multilateral institutions such as the IMF, they should also gain a stronger decision-making voice in these forums.


The longer-term challenge for governments is to address the imbalances that have helped to destabilize the global economy in the past decade: in particular, the imbalances between large surplus economies such as that of China, Japan and the oil-exporting nations, and large debtor nations such as America.


The magnitude of the crisis and its impact across the world means that minor tweakings of long-established orthodoxies will not do. Two unassailable truths have already been established: that financial markets are not always self-correcting or self-regulating, and that government can never abdicate responsibility for maintaining economic stability.


For governments, it is critical that we get it right - not just to save the system of open markets from self-destruction, but also to rebuild confidence in properly regulated markets, so as to prevent extreme reactions from the far left or the far right taking hold.


Governments must get it right because the stakes are so high: There are the economic and social costs of long-term unemployment; poverty once again expanding its grim reach across the developing world; and the impact on long-term power structures within the existing international political and strategic order. Success is not optional. Too much now rides on our ability to prevail.


I consider him a traitor and just out to save his own butt

He figures he can win on the Dem ticket because PA has turned Dem. Well, I have news for him.....I doubt it. He only won by a couple votes in the last election because of Pat Toomey running against him. He will definitely lose this election.


I always split my ticket and I usually voted for him, but no more. I don't care what party anyone is affiliated with; but, to me, he is a traitor and that's someone else who is not needed in the Senate.


To those who vote straight party, open your eyes. They are only out for themselves (but is that really news to anyone?)


As posters have said before, we have to educate the people who don't watch/investigate/read up on the candidates running to make sure we vote the best candidates for the job...those who value the constitution, listen to their constituents (which is hard), and vote for the good of the country. Get rid of the a-holes who are in there. We really need to clean house this coming election.,


Can you demonstrate that this will save people?
As far as I know there is absolutely no proof of this whatsoever. It would surely be the "holy grail" of the universal healthcare proponents' argument if they could offer such proof. So far, they haven't been able to show that it saves a single life.
I defend anyone who tried to save thousands of
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$3 M to save turtles????? Oh yes, it's true! sm
Here's the link:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-stimulus16-2009jun16,0,7085006.story
Again...if this is a liberal trait then God save us from liberals...
that is taken from the actual court filing. I did NOT say it was my original thinking...hellooo get a grip!! It is from the original court filing...CBS, NBC, CNN, the whole lot of them filed a suit in court trying to stop Fitzgerald from making the reporters reveal their sources. It has nothing to do with neocon or whatever other smoke screen you want to throw up. Go ahead and attack me if you like, that does not change the truth, and any rational human being can see that. You make no point at all in this ridiculous rant.

Let me get this straight...a brief to the US District Count is a right wing rag, but CBS is the sterling banner of truth? Typical pile on attack liberal tactics. Just admit it. You know they are lying, you just don't care.
God save us from well-meaning people as my mother
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save it - I do not read your posts anymore
I can tell you I have made a decision based on this board of who I will be voting for...
torture,-if waterboarding can save thousands of
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Not revenge!-to save innocent lives from MORE
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Hoping we can save our great country from going down the toilet...sm
and desiring to bring about real CHANGE from a worn out, tired system of doing things, perhaps implementing changes that could save the economy, save the American people who have been hurt by a President who run the country doing "same ole, same ole," watching us crash and burn for someone else to clean up....yes, how DARE anyone run on that platform. The sky if falling, we are all going to sit here and point fingers and cry about it, do nothing or the same things that got us here in the firt place.....now we are going to put down hope and change as a BAD thing because Obama used the words. I guess we will all do nothing and never hope for better.
oh, pullllllllleeeze save Poor Drug Companies spiel.

you didn't answer mine.  Where did you hear that the U.S. doesn't make vaccines?  Or is it merely more conservative fiction?  Because it's simply not true.


You're talking about all this as if it's a leisurely endeavor that isn't time sensitive.  I'm talking about protecting my family and your family from a potential bio terror attack using smallpox.


And you're right.  No response is necessary at all because you haven't said anything worthy of one.


Obama is going to save us.. .it will take time... NO MORE PALIN hahahahaha no more RABIDS nm
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I see the liberal left on this board...save one "sm" could care less for your post....sm
Dems everywhere want total control, and obviously could care less what happens once that is obtained.