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JT Plumber and family former welfare recipients.

Posted By: Please connect the dots for me....sm on 2008-11-07
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does this mean he turns out to be an ex-commie deadbeat or what?   


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Fed Refuses to Disclose Recipients of $2 Trillion

(Okay.  Everyone in Congress and the White House, empty your pockets.)


Fed Refuses to Disclose Recipients of $2 Trillion (Update1)


By Mark Pittman


Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve refused a request by Bloomberg News to disclose the recipients of more than $2 trillion of emergency loans from U.S. taxpayers and the assets the central bank is accepting as collateral.


Bloomberg filed suit Nov. 7 under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act requesting details about the terms of 11 Fed lending programs, most created during the deepest financial crisis since the Great Depression.


The Fed responded Dec. 8, saying it's allowed to withhold internal memos as well as information about trade secrets and commercial information. The institution confirmed that a records search found 231 pages of documents pertaining to some of the requests.


"If they told us what they held, we would know the potential losses that the government may take and that's what they don't want us to know," said Carlos Mendez, a senior managing director at New York-based ICP Capital LLC, which oversees $22 billion in assets.


The Fed stepped into a rescue role that was the original purpose of the Treasury's $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. The central bank loans don't have the oversight safeguards that Congress imposed upon the TARP.


Total Fed lending exceeded $2 trillion for the first time Nov. 6. It rose by 138 percent, or $1.23 trillion, in the 12 weeks since Sept. 14, when central bank governors relaxed collateral standards to accept securities that weren't rated AAA.


'Been Bamboozled'


Congress is demanding more transparency from the Fed and Treasury on bailout, most recently during Dec. 10 hearings by the House Financial Services committee when Representative David Scott, a Georgia Democrat, said Americans had "been bamboozled."


Bloomberg News, a unit of New York-based Bloomberg LP, on May 21 asked the Fed to provide data on collateral posted from April 4 to May 20. The central bank said on June 19 that it needed until July 3 to search documents and determine whether it would make them public. Bloomberg didn't receive a formal response that would let it file an appeal within the legal time limit.


On Oct. 25, Bloomberg filed another request, expanding the range of when the collateral was posted. It filed suit Nov. 7.


In response to Bloomberg's request, the Fed said the U.S. is facing "an unprecedented crisis" in which "loss in confidence in and between financial institutions can occur with lightning speed and devastating effects."


Data Provider


The Fed supplied copies of three e-mails in response to a request that it disclose the identities of those supplying data on collateral as well as their contracts.


While the senders and recipients of the messages were revealed, the contents were erased except for two phrases identifying a vendor as "IDC." One of the e-mails' subject lines refers to "Interactive Data -- Auction Rate Security Advisory May 1, 2008."


Brian Willinsky, a spokesman for Bedford, Massachusetts- based Interactive Data Corp., a seller of fixed-income securities information, declined to comment.


"Notwithstanding calls for enhanced transparency, the Board must protect against the substantial, multiple harms that might result from disclosure," Jennifer J. Johnson, the secretary for the Fed's Board of Governors, said in a letter e-mailed to Bloomberg News.


'Dangerous Step'


"In its considered judgment and in view of current circumstances, it would be a dangerous step to release this otherwise confidential information," she wrote.


New York-based Citigroup Inc., which is shrinking its global workforce of 352,000 through asset sales and job cuts, is among the nine biggest banks receiving $125 billion in capital from the TARP since it was signed into law Oct. 3. More than 170 regional lenders are seeking an additional $74 billion.


Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in September they would meet congressional demands for transparency in a $700 billion bailout of the banking system.


The Freedom of Information Act obliges federal agencies to make government documents available to the press and public. The Bloomberg lawsuit, filed in New York, doesn't seek money damages.


'Right to Know'


"There has to be something they can tell the public because we have a right to know what they are doing," said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Arlington, Virginia-based Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.


"It would really be a shame if we have to find this out 10 years from now after some really nasty class-action suit and our financial system has completely collapsed," she said.


The Fed lent cash and government bonds to banks that handed over collateral including stocks and subprime and structured securities such as collateralized debt obligations, according to the Fed Web site.


Borrowers include the now-bankrupt Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Citigroup and New York-based JPMorgan Chase & Co., the country's biggest bank by assets.


Banks oppose any release of information because that might signal weakness and spur short-selling or a run by depositors, Scott Talbott, senior vice president of government affairs for the Financial Services Roundtable, a Washington trade group, said in an interview last month.


'Complete Truth'


"Americans don't want to get blindsided anymore," Mendez said in an interview. "They don't want it sugarcoated or whitewashed. They want the complete truth. The truth is we can't take all the pain right now."


The Bloomberg lawsuit said the collateral lists "are central to understanding and assessing the government's response to the most cataclysmic financial crisis in America since the Great Depression."


In response, the Fed argued that the trade-secret exemption could be expanded to include potential harm to any of the central bank's customers, said Bruce Johnson, a lawyer at Davis Wright Tremaine LLP in Seattle. That expansion is not contained in the freedom-of-information law, Johnson said.


"I understand where they are coming from bureaucratically, but that means it's all the more necessary for taxpayers to know what exactly is going on because of all the money that is being hurled at the banking system," Johnson said.


The Bloomberg lawsuit is Bloomberg LP v. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, 08-CV-9595, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).


To contact the reporters on this story: Mark Pittman in New York at mpittman@bloomberg.net;


Last Updated: December 12, 2008 11:35 EST


Top bailout recipients spending money

on federal lobbying.  This makes me furious at both the companies and the government.  ARGH!


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/22/bailed-firms-money-lobbying/


Yeah and guess what the Bush family has tight ties with the Bin Ladin family....

so give it all a rest would you. 


Obama Blows Off Medal of Honor Recipients

Obama Blows Off Medal of Honor Recipients... Not Exactly


Scott Isaacs on Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:10 AM EST


According to TSO who was at the “Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball”, this newly sworn-in President for the first time in 56 years blew off the ball (that’s 14 Inaugurations).


Some background on the ball;


The American Legion sponsors the ball, which recognizes recipients of Medal of Honor, the nation’s highest military award. It started in 1953 for President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s first inauguration.


Event co-sponsors include 13 other veterans service organizations, among them the Military Order of the Purple Heart and the Paralyzed Veterans of America.


So where was our new President instead of honoring Medal of Honor recipients who by some miracle are still alive? According to Huffington Post, this was his schedule for Inaugural celebrations;


Later that day, the Presidential Inaugural Committee will host 10 official inaugural balls:


— Neighborhood Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.


— Obama Home States (Illinois and Hawaii) Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.


— Biden Home States (Pennsylvania and Delaware) Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.


— Midwest Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.


— Mid-Atlantic Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.


— Western Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.


— Commander in Chief’s Ball at the National Building Museum.


— Southern Inaugural Ball at the National Guard Armory.


— Eastern Inaugural Ball at Union Station.


— Youth Inaugural Ball at the Washington Hilton.


Unofficial balls include:


— Congressional Black Caucus Inaugural Ball at the Capitol Hilton.


— Creative Coalition Inaugural Ball at the Harman Center for the Arts.


— Recording Industry Association of America’s ball for Feeding America.


— BET’s Inaugural Ball at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel.


— Africa on the Potomac inaugural celebration at Crystal Gateway Marriott in Arlington, Va.


— American Music Inaugural Ball at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel.


— Inaugural Purple Ball at the Fairmont Hotel.


— Human Rights Campaign’s Equality Ball at the Renaissance Mayflower Hotel.


— Inaugural Peace Ball at the Smithsonian National Postal Museum.


— Impact Film Fund ball.


Mr. Wolf from Blackfive sends along this link to which Inaugural Balls Obama actually attended last night.



Source


Blackfive, which I read occasionally for military pieces, confirmed that President Obama did not come to the inaugural ball. So I became curious because the only two sources were two blogs and one source that consisted of initials. Therefore, I did what any rational person would do: I contacted the American Legion to get the straight story from the people who would know. I was put in contact with a very pleasant gentleman named Craig Roberts who is the American Legion's Media Relations Manager and after our conversation he e-mailed me this statement which I will include in its entirety:


In answer to your inquiry:


The American Legion, as it has on every inauguration evening since 1953, hosted the Salute to Heroes Inaugural Banquet & Ball on January 20th. The quadrennial event is co-sponsored with fourteen veterans service and military service organizations and honors recipients of the Medal of Honor. Forty-seven of these heroes attended this year’s event which was held in the Renaissance Washington DC Hotel.


President Obama was invited but did not attend. Vice-President Joe Biden did appear, however, and was very warmly received. The new President’s absence was understandable considering the unprecedented logistical challenges presented by the vastly increased number of visitors to this inauguration and the necessary attendant security measures. The American Legion, as an organization, does not feel offended or “snubbed.”


Thank you,


Craig Roberts


Media Relations Manager


The American Legion


1608 K Street, NW


Washington, DC 20006


202.263.2982 (direct)


 


First of all, I would like to thank Mr. Roberts for taking my call and taking the time to compose this statement so that I can share it on behalf of the American Legion. So to those fellow Obama supporters that think this ball did not happen, it did. It was omitted from the media outlets it was omitted from because of logistical challenges due to the extraordinary number of people that flooded Washington D.C. to see Barack Obama be inaugurated as the 44th president and it is not yet on the American Legion's website (as I type this at 8:30 A.M. on 1-23-09) because of some difficulties in updating the website. However, there will be media coverage of the event forthcoming.


I have found out also that the likely reason that Barack Obama attended the auxiliary balls that he did is because six of the balls that he attended were held in the same building. Therefore, attending those balls and the others that he attended were the most efficient with regards to security. It is no secret that President Obama has had questions surrounding his security, that is evident by observing that he was the earliest presidential candidate ever to get a security detail. If the Secret Service felt it prudent to guard him so early in the campaign can the reader imagine what the Secret Service feels is prudent now that he is the President of the United States?


The most likely reason that President Obama did not go to the "Salute to Heroes" inaugural ball is because it was held in the Renaissance Hotel which consists of 16 floors. There was an event called the "Illinois Party - Presidential Event" held at the Renaissance the night before that the then-President-elect did not attend either (I have a call in to the President's press office asking for confirmation of this information which was given to me by one of my sources for this story). Given the amount of time and resources it would have taken to clear a 16 floor hotel as well as protect it while President Obama was inside, I can only guess that he was advised by his Presidential Protection Detail not to attend either inaugural ball because of the building and the inherent problems in securing and then protecting it. The sheer number of people crowding the streets and staying in the hotel surely presented a formidable screening problem as well. But, there's your story... it's not as sexy as "Barack Obama Hates The Military" but it is the truth as best I can tell after talking to the organization responsible for hosting the event and doing some research and educated guesswork about why a security team wouldn't want to protect a principal in the Renaissance with more than 2 million extra people in Washington D.C.


Update: It would appear that, according to Stars & Stripes that Obama had some Medal of Honor recipients at an inaugural ball that he attended. This gives the number of living Medal of Honor recipients as 99, but I believe that two have passed away since that number was compiled leaving 97. There are 7 in this picture and there were 47 at the American Legion inaugural event. I'm curious if there were more at the event this photo was taken at.


Further update: I received an e-mail from Mr. Roberts today (which I would have gotten yesterday if I had not miscommunicated my e-mail address to him) with his original statement along with a new statement. I will include both statements in their entirety:


My statement on behalf of our National Adjutant, Dan Wheeler:


"The American Legion, as it has on every inauguration evening since 1953, hosted the Salute to Heroes Inaugural Banquet & Ball on January 20th . The quadrennial event is co-sponsored by fourteen veterans service and military service organizations and honors recipients of the Medal of Honor. Forty-seven of these heroes attended this year's event. President Obama was invited but did not attend. Vice-President Joe Biden did appear, however, and was very warmly received. From The American Legion's point of view, the new President's absence was understandable considering the unprecedented logistical challenges presented by the vastly increased number of visitors to this inauguration and the necessary attendant security measures. The National Adjutant of The American Legion states that, as an organization, The Legion does not feel offended or "snubbed" by the President's failure to appear."


Mr. Wheeler's message as of noon today (January 26):


"We extended an invitation as we always do. There are numerous Balls and we know he can't attend them all. Of course, we would have loved for him to make an appearance, but he didn't. It's a logisticalnightmare. He did meet with the troops at the Commander In Chief's Ball, and we are grateful for that. Our Ball wasn't about the President; it was about the Medal of Honor recipients and the veterans and families who were there. We are grateful that the Vice President appeared, and our guests were very appreciative.


"That having been said, there are much more important issues to dwell on, which we intend to do. We look forward to working with the new administration on ensuring full and guaranteed funding for VA health care services, and the very best treatment for our service people who have been wounded, and on the quality of life of all members of the Armed Forces and their families, as well as the maintenance of a national security force that will deter any enemy from considering an attack on America."
    


Family values....Obama's family can't even agree
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I feel very sorry indeed for Sarah Palin and her family, she ran for VP, not her family, she should
on her experience, her political record, etc, period, no attacking children, and no one throwing stones at "sinner" daughters, that is what I mean, the media wants to put people on pedestals and then throw stones at them at they hunt down not just the public figure, but all their loved ones, I think it is disgusting, it is a HUMAN issue, has nothing to do with politics on either side, why twist my post that way?
Interview with Charmaine Neville, family member of the Neville musical family

September 7, 2005

Women were Being Raped, Babies were Being Killed, Alligators were Eating People, But Where the Hell was the National Guard?
How We Survived the Flood
By CHARMAINE NEVILLE

  This is a transcription of an interview Charmaine Neville, of New Orleans's legendary Neville family, gave to local media outlets on Monday, September 5.

I was in my house when everything first started. When the hurricane came, it blew all the left side of my house off, and the water was coming in my house in torrents.

I had my neighbor, an elderly man, and myself, in the house with our dogs and cats, and we were trying to stay out of the water. But the water was coming in too fast. So we ended up having to leave the house.

We left the house and we went up on the roof of a school. I took a crowbar and I burst the door on the roof of the school to help people on the roof.

Later on we found a flat boat, and we went around the neighborhood in a flat boat getting people out of their houses and bringing them to the school.

We found all the food that we could and we cooked and we fed people. But then, things started getting really bad.

By the second day, the people that were there, that we were feeding and everything, we had no more food and no water. We had nothing, and other people were coming in our neighborhood. We were watching the helicopters going across the bridge and airlift other people out, but they would hover over us and tell us Hi! and that would be all. They wouldn't drop us any food or any water, or nothing.

Alligators were eating people. They had all kinds of stuff in the water. They had babies floating in the water.

We had to walk over hundreds of bodies of dead people. People that we tried to save from the hospices, from the hospitals and from the old-folks homes. I tried to get the police to help us, but I realized they were in the same straits we were. We rescued a lot of police officers in the flat boat from the 5th district police station. The guy who was in the boat, he rescued a lot of them and brought them to different places so they could be saved.

We understood that the police couldn't help us, but we couldn't understand why the National Guard and them couldn't help us, because we kept seeing them but they never would stop and help us.

Finally it got to be too much, I just took all of the people that I could. I had two old women in wheelchairs with no legs, that I rowed them from down there in that nightmare to the French Quarters, and I went back and got more people.

There were groups of us, there were about 24 of us, and we kept going back and forth and rescuing whoever we could get and bringing them to the French Quarter because we heard that there were phones in the French Quarter, and that there wasn't any water. And they were right, there were phones, but we couldn't get through to anyone.

I found some police officers. I told them that a lot of us women had been raped down there by guys, not from the neighborhood where we were, they were helping us to save people. But other men, and they came and they started raping women and they started killing, and I don't know who these people were. I'm not gonna tell you I know, because I don't.

But what I want people to understand is that, if we hadn't been left down there like the animals that they were treating us like, all of those things wouldn't have happened. People are trying to say that we stayed in that city because we wanted to be rioting and we wanted to do this and, we didn't have resources to get out, we had no way to leave.

When they gave the evacuation order, if we could've left, we would have left.

There are still thousands and thousands of people trapped in their homes in the downtown area. When we finally did get into the 9th ward, and not just in my neighborhood, but in other neighborhoods in the 9th ward, there were a lot of people still trapped down there... old people, young people, babies, pregnant women. I mean, nobody's helping them.

And I want people to realize that we did not stay in the city so we could steal and loot and commit crimes. A lot of those young men lost their minds because the helicopters would fly over us and they wouldn't stop. We would make SOS on the flashlights, we'd do everything, and it really did come to a point, where these young men were so frustrated that they did start shooting. They weren't trying to hit the helicopters, they figured maybe they weren't seeing. Maybe if they hear this gunfire they will stop then. But that didn't help us. Nothing like that helped us.

Finally, I got to Canal St. with all of my people I had saved from back there.

I don't want them arresting nobody else. I broke the window in an RTA bus. I never learned how to drive a bus in my life. I got in that bus. I loaded all of those people in wheelchairs and in everything else into that bus, and we drove and we drove and we drove and millions of people was trying to get me to help them to get on the bus, too.

Charmaine Neville is a member of the third generation of New Orleans's legendary Neville musical family. She fronts the Charmaine Neville Band.


Just Like Joe the Plumber...
Her 15 minutes of fame.
Joe the Plumber

How many of us employ attorneys?  Do you have a publicist?  Are you in the middle of negotiating a book deal?  There must be thousands of middle class citizens trying to close a contract on a country and western CD release.  Thinking about running for Congress?  Stumping for the reds, declaring in no uncertain terms Obama is Marxist for reasons you cannot put your finger on and is anti-Israel for reasons you cannot explain?  I can't decide who is better at the snow job...McCain with his Joe the Plumber get-out-the-vote chant or Joe the Plumber with his 15-minute opportunism.  Judgment?  Vet deficit?  Makes a mockery of his own campaign, still in search of a coherent message and no identifiable theme in sight. 


Exactly right!...Joe, the Plumber
himself said that he was CALLED and told to go this this rallye!
I wonder what else they told him?
Joe the Plumber?

We need to get out of cartoon land and realize that we've made the right decision. 


How many posts have you seen where our wages are falling?  Can we fix it?  Yes we can and not by giving in to the criticism by the republicans with statements like "I'll qualify for food stamps." 


That Joe guy isn't even a licensed plumber
He is thinking of buying a plumbing business. You don't have to be licensed in Ohio. You can say plumbers are not rich but he is planning on making over $250K. Get your head out of your...
The plumber would be making $250 k and
it would be 36 percent tax and 39 percent, which is 3 percent more, on the amount over 250K. That's pretty rich. Keep on typing, dope.
Poor Joe the Plumber is going to have
to worry about paying taxes. Turns out he doesn't have a plumber's license nor does his employer which is required by the county. No license, no work, no taxes. Poor Joe.
Google Joe the plumber 40,000 and
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Joe The Plumber Rocks

Funny how this plumber was the go-to guy until he struck a cord with "regular Americans."  The drive-bys loathe him, and also have no clue how hard he works.  When he dropped the "S" (socialism) card, they went totally nuts. 


This is a perfect example of elitism.  They just don't get it that he wants to decide how he'll spend his own money.  For those of you who are too insecure to make those decisions, go ahead, but leave the rest of us alone!


Are y'all really so pathetic that you don't trust your own judgement as to how to spend your own money?  Look at how well the gov't handles things already:  Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the mail service, etc.?


Unbelievable! 


You know well I was not talking about Joe the NON-plumber!
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What about his comment to Joe the Plumber?
I mean I know Joe has been discredited, but Obama did say he was going to take some from Joe to help out those below him. That's basically the same thing isn't it?

Like I've said before, I have no issue with helping legitimately needy people. But there are so many people out there who are just LAZY and unwilling to work and having more and more children just to get more foodstamps that it's not fair. We don't need to tax more. We need to take a good long hard look at our welfare program and the participants and weed out the ones who are just using the system.

Last weekend we had a community clean up day at our church. Our church is in the middle of a trailer park community with a lot of Hispanic, black, and white members, all low income, all living in suboptimal living conditions. We went around and picked up trash on the road and helped people clean trash out of their yards. Our hope was to help the community take pride in where they live and to come alongside one another to make it a cleaner and safer place for them and their children. Out of at least 100 residents in that area, maybe 3 helped us. Most of them just watched, and some even got upset when we couldn't get everything out of their yards. Instead of coming out and working alongside us, some acted like it was owed to them. Now of course being a church our main hope was to build relationships and eventually teach them about Jesus, but our short term hope was just to build a sense of community in this down trodden area.

I stopped and talked to one girl, about my age, who has two small children, 3 and 1, I believe. She asked me why I didn't have a child yet. I told her that besides the fact that I'm still in school, we can't afford to have kids yet. She said "Oh don't worry! If you can't afford it the state will take care of them for you!" She told me she doesn't work, but her boyfriend does. They won't get married because she might lose her "benefits". I offered to set her up with one of the girls in my youth class that babysits if she wanted to get a part time job, but she doesn't want to work. And I don't think it was because she wants to be home with her children. At any rate, welfare is not supposed to be a way for you to be a stay at home mom.

That line of thinking is all too common nowadays. Would my husband and I like to have a child? Yes, definitely. I have always wanted to be a young mom (not like 16, but early 20s). But it would be selfish of us to have a child knowing we can't afford to take care of one right now.

We have to stop enabling this laziness and lack of ambition. I think Obama should at least hold off on the taxing if he becomes president until there is a thorough investigation into our welfare system. If he wants to create more jobs, hire a slew of caseworkers to work one on one with these families who have been on welfare for so long and find out WHY. It's supposed to be a helping hand in times of need, not a way of living.

Another thing I fear is the fact that with a democratic congress and president, very soon it may be so a preacher cannot preach what is in the Bible in a church. As a Christian, I'm sure you know that the Bible speaks against other false religions. From what I understand with talking with my father-in-law a.k.a. my pastor, there are issues being discussed that will limit what he can say from the podium. Now my FIL is not a hateful man by any means, but he is going to preach straight from the Bible, and he isn't just going to skip parts that may offend someone else. I don't know the whole story behind this, but if it's true, we may be in for more trouble then we imagine.

All we can pray for is that God will work in the heart of whomever gets into the white house and our senate and congress. But the more and more I see, I truly believe judgment is coming upon us.


or a plumber in hot pants
:)
plumber lied about

his plans to buy a business as he had no money.  No plumbing license.  Owed back taxes.  Was on welfare. He was a fictious dupe who tried to grab the spotlight for his own fortune.  How's that book and record deal going?


 


Yes, Joe was an actual plumber...

...living in Ohio, throwing a football with his son in the front yard when the whole Obamarama came down his street and Obama invited Joe to ask a question.  Joe asked:  If you are elected, are you going to raise my taxes?   Obama answered:  It's good to spread the wealth around and give everyone the advantages you've had. 


Joe was obviously planted in his own front yard just to sandbag Obama with a trick question and entrap him into revealing the true agenda.  Republicans are so devious!


What happened after this was extremely interesting.  Media started to investigate Joe as though he were a candidate, not just Joe Citizen. 


They unearthed and published the information that he was not even a licensed plumber.  (In fact, no license was legally required because he was an employee,  although he was working toward buying the plumbing business.)  His trash was stolen from in front of his house - a standard investigative technique. Joe's driving record was accessed - illegally - and details made public.   I think I even remember hearing he owed some money to the IRS. 


His OJFS records were accessed several times (Ohio Job and Family Services are the ones who administer unemployment, child support, etc.) and, mysteriously, information about his divorce and child support ended up in the news.  The (dem) head of OJFS then tried to cover by saying this is common practice anytime a person becomes a celebrity.  However, this was easily disproved.  (The woman was allowed to resign.  She and two assistants are the ones being sued.) 


All for having the poor judgment to ask a question of Obama, when invited to.  A lot has been said over the yeas about Nixon and his enemies list,  but our new president is someone not to be crossed, not by a Joe Citizen, certainly not by a Limbaugh. 


Get 'em, Joe!


Joe the Plumber had to get back in the spotlight -
http://www.comcast.net/news/video/958491392/plumberappalledbymccainposition/
Then go be a plumber and stop bitching about
!!
For all those O lovers who jumped on the plumber

Obama stated today, while trying to turn the plumber thing back towards McCain as if he NEVER said "spread the wealth" this.......


"How many of you know a plumber that makes half a million dollars?".  McCain never said that, Obama did.  Obama told the plumber that the business he was looking at buying which may or may not make 250K would be taxed to "spread the wealth" around.  Boy, he's desperate now. 


Now for all those O lovers who have had such a hatred all of a sudden of a "rich" plumber, how ya gonna back peddle on that one?  You and Obama need to get on the same page...... now even Obama says a plumber can't make 250K!  What a joke he is.


 


uhh... Joe the Plumber is not running for VP, leave
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Plumber and back pedaling. s/m

I am not about to back pedal.  1)  Anyone knows that a plumber doesn't make $250,000 annually.  2)  Anyone who has ever paid a plumber knows that a PLUMBING CONTRACTOR could make $250,000 and more.


Joe the Plumber doesn't look or act smart enough to be a plumbing contractor and making $40,000 annually it's not likely he could buy a plumbing business.  But then on the other hand, my plumber son laughs and says, "all you have to know to be a plumber is that sh!t doesn't run uphill and that payday is on Friday."  LOL  Hearing JM talk, one would think "his buddy, Joe the Plumber" was the greatest thing since sliced bread.


If SP and Joe The Plumber have saved McCain, God help us all! n/m
!
Plumber does not mitigate fact that McC has yet
in debates/stump. That's why O is leading among middle class voters in the polls. Joe the plumber was not exactly dealing with a full deck. Democrat party embodies a huge chunk of HONEST hard-working class Americans and the next time the party vets a poster boy, they might try to come up with something more plausible and bust-proof in terms of verifiable background.

The unlicensed one posed the question of tax. Raising taxes and giving tax cuts are American as apple pie and are a practices employed by both political parties. No need to go bonkers over the "S" card since it is a word-mince game conjured up by a desperate campaign to muddy the econmic waters and run the clock out in terms of avoiding McClone's 90% W support and the mirror image he projects to voters in terms of the current economic crisis.

Aren't we full of paradox this morning? First we're deadbeats, then we are elite. This camp cannot demonstrate even the most rudimentary understanding of basic economic concepts, unless of course that "E" card is meant as a slam toward educated folks who make them feel insecure and defensive.

We do not need your advice on what we should be examining. What we are looking at here are our mounting credit card bills, some of which are hiking interest rates into the 22% category, our frozen banks and their stocks being bought up with tax bucks, the foreclosed homes that are dotting our landscape and bringing down our property values, bail-out schemes that tax our great-grandchildren, AIG spa parties and pheasant hunts, the stock market roller coaster, 401Ks diminished by 38% in value, skyrocketing cost of food, job losses, plunging retail index going into the holiday season, rising unemployment, job losses, stagnant wages, inaccessible health care coverage, obscene costs of medical care and prescription drugs...all in the afermath of trickle down.
This Joe the Plumber is supposed to represent

Well this is a quote from Joe the Plumber.


"The media's worried about whether I've paid my taxes, they're worried about any number of silly things that have nothing to do with America," Wurzelbacher told the former Republican presidential hopeful on his show, "Huckabee."


This is what is so funny.  In Joe's eyes "taxes" are silly things.  So, you see he's not worried at all about his taxes being raised IF he were to purchase a company.  He thinks taxes are silly and have nothing to do with America.  So, you don't think we're footing this Joe the Plumber's bill already?????    He can't even pay his own taxes.  How will he ever purchase a company worth more than $250,000.00 with an "outstanding" bill?


Obama said...from his own mouth...to Joe the Plumber....
when Joe said, "Why do you want to tax me more?" to which Obama replied: "It's not that I want to tax you more. I think the guys below Joe deserve a shot too." I agree with that..just not the way Obama wants. They deserve the SAME shot JOE had. Work several years to GET to the point where you can buy a business...like JOE has. Don't TAX the JOES of the world MORE so you can cut people who have not worked that hard a check for which they did NOTHING. That is not fair, gourdpainter. No way is that FAIR.

Why not have a straight across the board percentage tax, no deductions, no NOTHING. Yes, the rich would pay more than the poor because they make more, but it would be FAIR. It would not be taxing any class of people at a HIGHER rate and divying it out to the ones below them who did NOTHING to earn it.

Obama is a socialist. He says so in his plans, he said so to Joe the Plumber. Why aren't you listening?
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AMEN COREY!!!! We need more like you and Joe the plumber. nm
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Did Joe the Plumber ever pay his back taxes?
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here was Joe the Plumber and then Rick Santelli. nm
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Joe the plumber not licensed, makes $40,000 a year,
a registered republican.  What a difference a day makes. 
There is no relevance to explain. Joe the unlicensed plumber
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McCain has 2 gimmicks Palin and Joe the Plumber sm
Joe is not even licensed and he makes $40K a year. He will benefit under Barack's plan but he is such a redneck he is brainwashed and probably watches Fox. He was not just discovered either.
McCain cheapens his campaign with the plumber sm
McCain Pals With Plumber, Cheapens Campaign: Margaret Carlson

Commentary by Margaret Carlson


Oct. 17 (Bloomberg) -- You'd hope a process that we've had 40 years to improve would be better than our presidential debates. We've tweaked around the edges, and one moderator beats a panel of them. Bob Schieffer did a superior job and was persistent at Wednesday night's debate. Yet no moderator is ever going to get the candidates to talk to each other, much less look one another in the eye.

Why not no moderator? It worked for the Lincoln-Douglas debates, where people stood in the hot sun for hours to listen.

The most dispiriting thing to come out of the debate was the morning after. I woke to see Joe Wurzelbacher's street in Holland, Ohio, lit up like Times Square with network and cable satellite trucks clogging the place.

I thought the press was beyond 23 mentions of Joe the Plumber by one candidate and three by the other, while Asian markets were dropping 10 percent and the Dow has been diving.

Unless he starts making courtesy calls to fix the running toilets of the journalists making him famous, let's relegate Joe the Plumber back to the playroom with Bob the Builder or the 15- minute hall of fame with Harry and Louise and Ross Perot's crazy aunt in the attic.

Here's the reason for Joe: McCain has no argument left except that no one should have to pay taxes, and that Obama isn't one of us.

Distasteful Tactics

He gave up the experience argument by choosing Sarah Palin. By his own admission, McCain was never on top of the economy, and his performance since the financial crisis began, lurching from one pronouncement to another, proved his self-assessment right.

What McCain has instead are the distasteful tactics pressed on him by his consultants, the very ones who defamed him in his 2000 race for the presidency.

That's where ``Obama is palling around with terrorists'' comes from. It's why in the final debate, more time was spent on a radical bomb-thrower from the ླྀs, William Ayers, than Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and his so-far-unsuccessful attempts to stop a market meltdown.

At first, I thought McCain was going to drop Ayers when he said he didn't care about ``an old, washed-up terrorist.'' Then he pivoted and demanded to know ``the full extent'' of his relationship with Obama.

Happy to Oblige

Obama was happy to oblige. Ayers, who committed his violent acts when Obama was a boy, is not and never has been involved in his campaign. Obama condemned his ``despicable acts'' and pointed out that he once served on a board with Ayers that was filled with Republican luminaries and funded by another one, Walter Annenberg. Thanks to McCain, Obama got to explain that before 30 million people.

McCain also gave Obama a chance to answer another charge. McCain is trying to make an oak out of Acorn, a community- organizing group that runs voter-registration drives. McCain said Acorn was about to perpetrate the biggest voter fraud in history, ``destroying the fabric of democracy.''

Acorn doesn't register voters; only state officials can do that. The false names collected are easy to spot. It's an urban myth that Donald Duck and Harry Potter end up voting. The ones that slip through are infinitesimal.

Old Hat

Obama explained his prior association. ``I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department'' enforcing the Illinois motor-voter law.

It's old hat for Republicans to cry voter fraud just the way Democrats cry voter suppression for purged lists, long lines and election-day challenges. If I show up on the list as Margaret B. Carlson but I've since dropped the B and have a driver's license that says Margaret Carlson, I might be turned away.

Most of McCain's anger was non-verbal -- in his tense, coiled body, eye-rolls, sniffing, and forced smiles. He had to know Ayers wasn't going to work. But there comes a moment when a candidate has to fluff up the base or find himself lonely.

Already, McCain has lost the support of some brand-name conservatives with his choice of Palin as a running mate. The latest is author Christopher Buckley, who had to resign from National Review, the magazine his father, William Buckley, founded, for his apostasy.

Following Rush

With Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity attacking Ayers for three weeks, McCain would have been fired by his own party before the election if he'd held back.

I'm not sure he can count on Palin anymore. She told Limbaugh she had nothing to lose, and she's acting like it. She was openly critical of McCain's decision to pull out of Michigan, and insisted that she and her husband would happily campaign there.

She's supposed to wield a hatchet, not throw bombs. The one genuine emotional moment in the debate came when McCain said how saddened he was about Representative John Lewis's reaction to the hateful language at Palin's rallies. Obama agreed that Lewis went too far in coupling McCain with George Wallace, but the rebuke stung.

Only a short time ago, McCain had named Lewis as one of his heroes.

Those writing McCain's obituary (which I'm not; he lost the debates not the election) wrongly say that Palin wins no matter what. The campaign has revealed a petty politician who misused her office, got revenge on her enemies, turned on fellow Republicans when it suited her ambitions, and violated ethics laws by trying to get her brother-in-law fired.

McCain's best chance of winning is by doing what he did when his campaign was pronounced dead last year. Fire people. Drop the cheap shots. Go out on your own and barnstorm the country. Be serious about the broken country President George W. Bush is leaving us. Reclaim the patrimony of the McCains and win -- or lose -- with honor.

Government computers used to check out Joe the Plumber...






Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal
Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow

The Columbus Dispatch
"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.

The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.

Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.

Obama made it very clear to Joe the Plumber....
Were you listening? He explained it very clearly. He was going to tax Joe at a higher rate and give that money to people "below Joe" so "they would have a chance too." That is NOT American, that is socialism. Out of Obama's own mouth. The man is a socialist, and because you refuse to see it or see it and don't care, it does not make it less true.

To use your words...run and hide if you like.
"Joe the Plumber" legislation introduced...

Ohio has 2 representatives introducing legislation so that the leaks that took place about Joe's child-support, taxes, etc hopefully won't happen again. Although, w/ the rules concerning confidentiality, it shouldn't have happened to begin with. The head of Dept of Family & Human Services is on an unpaid month's suspension for this AND for using State computers to raise money for Obama's campaign.


Two state lawmakers today, Dec. 2, introduced legislation that’s supposed to prevent the kind of government snooping that dogged “Joe the Plumber” - Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher - during the presidential campaign
The legislation, introduced by Rep. Shannon Jones, R-Springboro, and Sen. Mark Wagoner, R-Toledo, would direct state agencies to:


*Fire any unclassified employee who violates privacy rules by improperly accessing confidential personal information.


*Set criteria for determining which employees may access or authorize access to confidential, personal information.


*Allow any citizen to make a written request to an agency or identify all personal, confidential information on that person maintained by the agency.


“The systematic misuse of government databases and the governor’s woeful under reaction to state government workers engaging in this outrageous behavior makes this bill necessary,” Jones said in a press release.


Strickland suspended director Helen Jones-Kelley of the Ohio Job and Family Services Department for a month without pay for her role in the “Joe the Plumber” case. Four other employees also were disciplined.


Ohio Inspector Tom Charles concluded that Jones-Kelley improperly authorized the searches of databases with personal information on Wurzelbacher of suburban Toledo. He became a key figure in the Ohio presidential campaign after questioning Democrat Barack Obama’s tax plans.


 


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MT on welfare.

I took my first MT job in 1974 when we were still respected hospital employees with benefits.  In 1976 I had my first child and in 1980 I became a singe parent.  Between 1974 and 1992, I worked between 40 and 50 hours every single week of my life, worked all holidays because I needed the extra pay and had an interval between 1986 and 1993 where I did not take one single vacation day because I bought a home to get my son away from the gang problems that became concentrated in apartment complexes.  During those years, I developed hypertension at age 34 and progressive, unrelenting back pain in 1987.  With the help of ibuprofen and regular exercise, I worked through it and never skipped a beat.  For those who may not remember, 1986 was when outsourcing happened and in the years to follow, not one single start-up MTSO offered medical benefits.    


 


In 1992 I began to develop significant insomnia due to the chronic pain.  One morning, after tossing and turning through the night, I got out of bed and found myself unable to stand erect because of the pain.  For the next week or so, I had to crawl around on my hands and knees and was unable to work.  I got behind in my bills, depressed and was utterly exhausted.  I had a physical and "nervous" breakdown that landed me in a psychiatric facility where I received much needed rest and treatment.  I couldn't afford to pay that bill.    


 


I lost my car, my job and my house.  My son had to go to live with his father since I could not feed him and at age 40 I had to move back in with my aging mother.  I tried to apply for social security disability just long enough to get job retraining and get back on my feet again.  I was denied those benefits.  I applied for unemployment and food stamps and entered the county medical health care system.  I was not able to achieve rehabilitation and recovery sufficient to enable me to return to transcription.  I ended up out of work for 7 years while I figured out my own rehabilitation and lived with my elderly mother who could not really afford to support the extra expense of feeding me on a fixed social security/retirement income.  My unemployment benefits ran out, but I stayed on food stamps for 3 of those years for her sake until I returned to school on a student loan and later on scholarship.  When mhy mother's health deteriorated, I became her terminal care attendant and had to leave school.   


 


I am no slacker.  It took me 7 years to recover from the disability I sustained from medical transcription and single parenthood.  When I was able to return to work, I did.  I still transcribe and at age 59, have developed the same back problems I had that disabled me in 1993.  I am simply trying to scratch my way to retirement, which probable will commence for me one I drop dead in front of the computer.  I would not wish this fate on anyone, but if any of you, your family or your friends ever do encounter such circumstances for whatever reason, (i.e., death of a spouse, for example) and need assistance, you will come to understand the importance of welfare and will never view it with the cold-blooded, icy, self-righteous indignation that some on this board have expressed. 


 

Before you come back with "that's the exception, not the rule," don't bother.  I saw plenty of others in my situation along the way, especially during the 6-8 hours I spent in the waiting rooms at the county hospital before MD appointments.  I am no better and no worse than any of them.  Same human beings, facing the same struggles, each with their own special needs going unaddressed for the most part.  Poverty is a cycle that is destructive, not only to the welfare recipients and their families, but to the society at large.  Outrage is not going to solve it.  Insight will. 
Obama to Plumber: My Plan Will 'Spread the Wealth Around'....sm
FYI: Last night, couldn't find this story on the Internet, as the "powers that be" in the liberal media, attempted to scrub this story clean off the Internet, much the way they changed that SNL skit that was truthful on the whole liberal democratic responsbility on the FM/FM mess. They took out the facts of the blame to the dems, and reposted it on the Internet. They are trying to rewrite history, and that should make us very, very upset.

Anyway, found this story again this morning on Fox, and very hard to find the "whole story" elsewhere on the web, as some of it has "been scrubbed clean"


Obama to Plumber: My Plan Will 'Spread the Wealth Around'
Barack Obama tells a plumber in Ohio he wants to "spread the wealth around," eliciting criticism that his economic recovery plan is socialist in nature.

FOXNews.com

Monday, October 13, 2008


Barack Obama told a tax-burdened plumber over the weekend that his economic philosophy is to "spread the wealth around" -- a comment that may only draw fire from riled-up John McCain supporters who have taken to calling Obama a "socialist" at the Republican's rallies.

Obama made the remark, caught on camera, after fielding some tough questions from the plumber Sunday in Ohio, where the Democratic candidate canvassed neighborhoods and encouraged residents to vote early.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Obama's remarks drew fresh criticism on the blogosphere that the Illinois senator favors a breed of wealth redistribution -- as well as a rebuke from the McCain campaign.

"If Barack Obama's goal as President is to 'spread the wealth around,' perhaps his unconditional meetings with Hugo Chavez, Raul Castro, and Kim Jong-Il aren't so crazy -- if nothing else they can advise an Obama administration on economic policy," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a written statement to FOXNews.com. "In contrast, John McCain's goal as president will be to let the American people prosper unburdened by government and ever higher taxes."

Obama frequently rails against what he calls a Republican concept that tax breaks for the wealthy will somehow "trickle down" to middle-class Americans.

Obama says he will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.

However, McCain's aides and supporters argue that Obama wrongly wants to raise taxes on businesses in a time of economic distress.

Both candidates spent Monday discussing how they would resurrect the ailing economy. McCain again pointed to his plan to buy up cumbersome mortgages from homeowners and renegotiate them. Obama unveiled what he called an economic rescue plan for the middle class, which included a 90-day moratorium on foreclosures.



http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/13/obama-plumber-plan-spread-wealth/
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Welfare in Florida
Welfare in Florida can add up to about $900-1000 a month! Add reduced rent to that, food stamps, reduced utility bills, and why would you want to work?

I am so sick and tired of driving by low-income apartments with satellite dishes in the front, high-end SUVs in the parking lot and big-screen TVs visible through the screen door.

So yes, welfare does pay!
Isn't the poor the ones that get the welfare now?
So what's your complaint? You think they need more? Fine, give them everything you have and we'll call it a day!


Welfare was initiated for those that

needed a little bit of help at a rough time in their lives. It was not intended to cover those who have teeny excuses as to why they can't (won't) work. I see it in our community. Projects with gas guzzler newer cars than mine.


I drive a ྙ Buick LeSabre when hubby doesn't work.  We bought that car for "free"; i.e., a friend gave us a calender for Christmas with daily numbers on it. On December 29, 2 days after my car died, our number came up and we won $100. The car cost exactly $100, blown engine, so we took the engine from my car that would not pass inspection and placed it in the $100 (free) car. We made a profit because I found $.03 cents when cleaning out the car. LOL


If I can live with a car like this, why can't they?  They buy brand new or next to new. My car has 150,000 miles on it and still going strong. The engine only had 84,000 miles on it, so it will live a little longer. In the meantime, we're looking for another decent deal just in case. Do they? No, they get a new car every couple years.


What I'm trying to say is that they shouldn't be in government-subsided housing if they can afford a new car or a car that is only a couple years old. You didn't see that years ago. They drove what I'm driving now. 


I think people on welfare should
Same with any unemployed person receiving government assistance.
There is welfare and wick.

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No fair for the welfare
well, my husband was laid off the 1st of the year. We lost our insurance. I am in between chemo treatments (last one in October) and his unemployment will not cover the mortgage and COBRA. So, a major hospital is pulling strings to try to get me treatment. Am I going to refuse it? No. Call it welfare, call me lazy. I don't give a rats. You need to research all this welfare crap before you spout off about it. A very, very small portion of your tax dollars go to pay for the indigent (lazy). I know. I went into social work. It is political propaganda to get people riled up. So easily manipulated...........sigh
They HAVE to supplement that welfare with something.....
I had to go on welfare when my kids were little (husband took off after he was arrested for pounding on me) and it was HORRIBLE. That was in the late 80s. I sure would like to know what their secret is, because it was a death scrabble for me and that's BEFORE welfare reform was implemented (now it's even harder). It's called temporary for a reason - you get cut off for at least 3 months out of the year - how do they manage? They must have a meth lab in the basement......