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Doesn't make it true.

Posted By: piglet on 2007-11-30
In Reply to: If this guy says the surge is working... - Observer

For everyone of these, I can produce two in opposition.

It appears now that the surge is working, eight months afterward; however, because conditions are slowing getting better in Iraq is not because of the surge. It is a combination of things, the first and foremost that the United States is finally coming to the realization that the only way to get the country of Iraq back on its feet is to ALLOW the Iraqi's to take control in their OWN way and not under the strict edicts of the United States. Now that we are loosening the noose, things are coming together.

To solidify my point:

"All of Petraeus’ work on the subject of counterinsurgency, however, along with the things he himself was saying somewhat subtly, all pointed toward the conclusion that peace in Iraq required not a “surge” but political reconciliation between a sufficiently large set of Iraqi factions as to represent the overwhelming majority of Iraqis. The “surge” was, in some vague way, supposed to facilitate that, which it hasn’t, it was never a realistic method of securing the country on its own, which is why it hasn’t worked.

The “surge” was always part of the puzzle; it wasn’t supposed to solve everything by itself. War remains, as it has always been, a means of forcing people to make political concessions that they would not otherwise make voluntarily. Classic counterinsurgency doctrine requires securing large population centers, killing insurgents, and applying political pressure. All those things, and more, are happening."

and furthermore:

"Despite recent trends, 2007 is the deadliest year for U.S. forces since the war began in March 2003. Even on a day like Monday, considered a relatively quiet one with no reported coalition casualties, at least 33 Iraqis were killed and an equal number wounded in violence around the country.

While declining, the fighting in Iraq has just returned to levels seen before the February 2006 bombing of the Shi’ite shrine in Samarra by extremists — an attack that sent violence between Sunnis and Shi’ites soaring. And ordinary Iraqis say the streets are full of danger, even with the improvement in security." This little tidbit was just written 2 weeks ago by OTB.

This supposed truth is only the truth as HE sees it. Not necessary the TRUTH at all, and considering that he probably was only allowed to visit certain sections of Baghdad doesn't lend much validity to his statement.




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If you can't make abortion illegal, just make it impossible (sm)

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It doesn't take all that...sm
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He doesn't have to say it...they already are...
worshipping him.
It can mean to you whatever!!! It doesn't
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Because she doesn't seem to believe it's a

Doesn't say anything about . . .
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No it doesn't
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Sure gets old, doesn't it?

of course it doesn't
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Doesn't seem right does it?

After all, most employees can be fired at will so why not the politicians?  Aren't they suppose to work for the people.


VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS.


It doesn't get any better than that
You got bashed, adored and even recruited a couple of new citizens! Great post!