From where we sit, it appears you have

• If you thought oil companies make big profits... - sam
  • Posters like this need to be left alone - To argue with themselves in a vacuum.
    • thank you for the ringing endorsement for freedom of speech.... - sam
      • You are free to speech 'til the cows come home. - Nobody takes your fanaticism seriously. Go for it.
        • Apparently other posters on this board do not share your view... - sam
          • Apparently you turn a blind eye - To the many that do. nm
            • What IS it with Obama supporters, liberals, Democrats, et.al.... - sam
              • What part of we got other issues do you - Not get. Not a ? of viewpoint/who we support.
                • I repeat...have as much right to be here and post as you do... - sam
                  • From where we sit, it appears you have - A little more "right" than others. nm
                    • And how is that, please? Because I have a cause I believe in... - sam
                      • Your approach to promoting your cause is like - Trying to bomb Iraq into democracy. nm
                        • see...that's the thing. It's your right to attack if you want.... - sam
                          • See, that's the thing...you simply cannot allow - A thread to die without having the last word. sm
                            • but not without the last word, right? YOU... - sam
                              • Resorting to the 2nd grader finger-pointing and - "No you, no you, no you" reply?
                                • don't you? nm - sam
                                  • In a word...No. Only in your delusions. - Did we forget our happy pills this morning?
                                    • meowwwwwww. lol. nm - sam
  • Would you mind stepping aside and - Giving the rest of us some space? nm
    • How on earth could I stop you from posting.... - sam
      • This may come as a surprise to you, but... - We have other issues to consider. nm
        • Then, by all means, POST THEM. No one is stopping you. nm - sam
          • Can't find the space. Our threads get buried - under all this slop. Can't get a word in edgew
            • Then stop replying to my threads and start your own at the top.... - sam
              • What...so you can bury them under all your rubble? - Give it a rest...at least for an hour or so.
  • Verrry boring. Antifeminist women easy marks - For self-serving right-wing political strategists.
    • It is not, in my view, a political issue.... - sam
      • Yeah, right. We can all see just how - a-political you are. nm
        • do you or do you not believe in freedom of speech.... - sam
          • No, just bored to death with Bible quotations, - Patriotic platitudes and forum domination.
            • Oh...forum domination. Someone holding your hands behind your back.... - sam
              • A search of the archives from this board - Shows just how often you react this way...sm
                • Right back at you....it is just as pathetic that you... - sam
                  • You are so consumed by hatred - You can't see straight. Time for a time out.
                    • Now THAT is interesting. Me, consumed by hatred.... - sam
                      • One little ole poster acting like 1000 - Posters all at once. Naptime.
                        • Replying to all your posts...keeps me busy.... - sam
                          • I think I found the answer. sm - Nada
                            • Thank you for this post. nm - You staged an effective intervention.
                            • Geez.....all that because I would like to stop the slaughter of the unborn.... - sam
                          • Nice in theory. Doesn't work well - with children. They play by different rules.
  • How many unwanted babies have you adopted, sam? (nm) - Put your money where your mouth is!
    • None. But I have not killed any either. sm. - sam
      • Pro-life people are very generous - mtstudent
        • Individuals, maybe. As for the party, - An entirely different story.
          • Which can be said for BOTH parties. :-) - sam
      • Repeat: Unborn rights from conception to birth. nm - Beyond that, off the radar and left to fend for th
        • ....fend for themselves. - Nice policy. nm
          • fend for themselves? Where do you get that? - sam
            • Programs the conservatives make a life long mission - To slash and burn to fund wars. nm
              • And stuff the pockets of the weathiest - among us.
                • A lot of dems voted for the war too.... - sam
                  • Not this tangent again. - Sorry. Won't bite this bait. nm
                    • Yep...just another inconvenient truth...eh? - sam
  • You know what I love about your posts? sm - Crackle
    • Great! YOU support it. Here's hoping McCain... - sam
      • No, here's hoping Obama will undue the...sm - Nada
        • Go for it. That is what makes this country great! sm - sam
        • Right on, sista. - Tell it like it is. nm
      • Why not? Pacifists have to fund - Your wars. nm
    • Broodmares belong in back alleys with coathangers or - Third world countries. Now there's a solution.
    • Abortion is for men, not reproductive rights - mtstudent
      • that's a load of BS. It takes 2 to tango and a woman - in this day and age should know
      • Not so fast!!!!!! - sm
        • What consequences? That is just it, there are no consequences... - sam
          • I still say it's for men, they are the ones - mtstudent
            • I agree. It should be part of the process. Because he... - sam
          • Women who "do" ABs or adoptions do NOT - simply "move on." The point is...
            • I will remember that one...if you remember...thou shalt not kill. nm - sam
      • Well, it has turned into a multimillion dollar business... - sam
        • Amen to that, Sam. - sm
          • Simple answer. Because there is no money in... - sam
        • Don't you have anything better to do? - Enough Already
          • If it bothers you, don't read'em....I have a job AND a life... - sam
            • The job: Busybody. The life: Telling everyone - How to think and what to do. Get over yourself.
              • Isn't that what you are doing? Telling me... - sam
                • I'll leave that judgment call up to - The other readers....where it belongs. nm
                  • Fair enough....notice especially the word FAIR. nm - sam
                    • Dead thread. - Nothing of substance here. nm
                      • spoken like a true freedom of speech liberal....NOT. - sam
    • Where women are little more than breeding stock??? - sam
      • If ya can't feed 'em - Captain anesthesia
      • Like women who are resistant to every form of BC - Known to man. 9 pregnancies on the pill here. se
        • So to avoid the bad things... - sam
        • PS....all as a married woman, I might add. - nm
          • We know that is the exception rather than the rule.... - sam
            • "We" know no such thing. Please do not - Speak for women you so obviously despise.
              • I don't despise any women....please do not ascribe to me feelings I don't share... - sam
            • You have a lot of nerve assuming these women - Don't "want" their babies.
              • Re-read the post before you pile on.... - sam
    • Applause!!!!!! - writing my check too!!!
      • You don't find it the least bit distasteful.... - sam

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has threatened Americans again in a new audio tape, saying President Barack Obama inflamed hatred toward the U.S. by ordering Pakistan to crack down on militants in Swat Valley and block Islamic law in the area. 

You just can't win with terrorists.  No matter how nice we try to be to Muslims.....the extremists are still going to hate us and want to kill us.

You crash this board and admonish my behavior, yet you can't see the same behavior on the other board.  You're over there kissing up to them. 

Yeah.  You call them as you see them.

With your right eye closed.

You're just another lying phony crashing this board.

Disclaimer:  I am neither a Demican nor a Republicrat.  I have always voted for the guy/gal based on their stated policies, compared to actual prior performance which agrees with my mostly conservative views.  (I have sort of a peripheral friend who, about four months before the election, called herself an Obamacan.  Wonder how she's feeling right now.)

Having said that, I will add that I do know they all use the TelePrompTer and give speeches mostly written by professional speech writers. I get it.  I do not believe that any of them just make spontaneous utterances inspired by God.  Even Lincoln wrote it down on the back of an envelope on the way to Gettysburg.  But I bet he did not just READ it straight off the envelope, but extemporized a bit without getting himself in trouble.

I always liked Bush's more folksy way of speaking.  When he would veer from his canned text you could usually tell, and it appeared genuine to me.  Example: He addressed criticism of what some were calling his 'cowboy swagger' saying 'In Texas, we call that.......walking.'  Sorry, it just broke me up.  I don't even mind a few malapropisms, as it only adds to the impression that this is a genuine guy.

I compare that to Obama, Mr. Smooth.  I get no sense of warmth from the man and when he gets away from his canned text, I can just see his handlers cringing.  Example:  Why didn't he get a dog for the Whitehouse as he had been talking about during the campaign?  'Guess that was just another campaign promise. Heh, heh, heh.' 

I believe that it is in those unguarded moments, off script, you get a glimps of what's inside of a person.  What do they consider funny?  What do they poke fun at?  Themselves?  Or Special Olympics?

So my puppet remark was directed toward Obama, sorry if I was too indirect. 

I was in Gulfport, MS before, during and after Katrina.  About a year after, all the rent on the coast went sky high (was paying $425 for an efficiency, raised it to $800).  I was working 7 days a week at two hospitals (many MTs had already left the coast), and I had to leave too, leaving them even more short handed.  There have been many articles regarding the majority of the rebuild on the coast is new casinos and high-end housing.  I have no idea how they expect anyone in the service industries to live there without affordable housing.  You cannot have tourist industry without people that support it - casino workers, fast food folk, maids, low-end hospital jobs.

What drove me nuts is the way they portrayed the people in the media - as if we were all illiterate crackheads.  I worked with many fine people at those hospitals, and it would take pages to descibe their suffering.  It disgusts me how there will always be money to accomodate the disposable income players, while the backbone of the community, hard working, serious, responsible people, were left with a trashed out house with no roof, a mortgage to pay and an insurance company that said they didn't have to give them a dime to rebuild.

college and everything......yepper, by golly

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(08-05) 19:27 PDT DENVER (AP) --

A decade ago, John Roberts played a valuable role helping attorneys overturn a Colorado referendum that would have allowed discrimination against gays — free assistance the Supreme Court nominee didn't mention in a questionnaire he filled out for the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The revelation didn't appear to dent his popularity among conservative groups nor quell some of the opposition of liberal groups fearful he could help overturn landmark decisions such as Roe v. Wade, which guarantees a right to an abortion.

An attorney who worked with Roberts cautioned against making guesses about his personal views based on his involvement in the Colorado case, which gay rights advocates consider one of their most important legal victories.

"It may be that John and others didn't see this case as a gay-rights case," said Walter Smith, who was in charge of pro bono work at Roberts' former Washington law firm, Hogan & Hartson.

Smith said Roberts may instead have viewed the case as a broader question of whether the constitutional guarantee of equal protection prohibited singling out a particular group of people that wouldn't be protected by an anti-discrimination law.

"I don't think this gives you any clear answers, but I think it's a factor people can and should look at to figure out what this guy is made of and what kind of Supreme Court justice he would make," Smith said.

On Friday, Senate Judiciary Committee Republicans released two memos by Roberts when he was as an assistant counsel in the Reagan White House. In one, Roberts argued that President Reagan should not interfere in a Kentucky case involving the display of tributes to God in schools.

In the other, Roberts writes that Reagan shouldn't grant presidential pardons to bombers of abortion clinics. "The president unequivocally condemns such acts of violence," he wrote in a draft reply to a lawmaker seeking Reagan's position. "No matter how lofty or sincerely held the goal, those who resort to violence to achieve it are criminals."

Meanwhile, the Justice Department denied a request by Judiciary Committee Democrats for Roberts' writings on 16 cases he handled when he was principal deputy solicitor general during President George H.W. Bush's administration. The department also declined to provide the materials, other than those already publicly available, to The Associated Press and other organizations that sought them under the Freedom of Information Act.

"We cannot provide to the committee documents disclosing the confidential legal advice and internal deliberations of the attorneys advising the solicitor general," assistant Attorney General William E. Moschella wrote Friday to the eight committee Democrats.

Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the panel's senior Democrat, said Roberts made decisions whether to pursue legal appeals in more than 700 cases. "The decision to keep these documents under cover is disappointing," Leahy said.

The gay rights case involved Amendment 2, a constitutional amendment approved by Colorado voters in 1992 that would have barred laws, ordinances or regulations protecting gays from discrimination by landlords, employers or public agencies such as school districts.

Gay rights groups sued, and the measure was declared unconstitutional in a 6-3 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1996.

Roberts' role in the case, disclosed this week by the Los Angeles Times, included helping develop a strategy and firing tough questions during a mock court session at Jean Dubofsky, a former Colorado Supreme Court justice who argued the case on behalf of the gay rights plaintiffs.

Dubofsky, who did not return calls Friday, said Roberts helped develop the strategy that the law violated the equal protection clause in the Constitution — and prepared her for tough questions from conservative members of the court. She recalled how Justice Antonin Scalia asked for specific legal citations.

"I had it right there at my fingertips," she told the Times. "Roberts was just terrifically helpful in meeting with me and spending some time on the issue. He seemed to be very fair-minded and very astute."

Dubofsky had never argued before the Supreme Court. Smith said she called his firm and asked specifically for help from Roberts, who argued 39 cases before the court before he was confirmed as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C., in 2003.

Smith said any lawyer at Hogan & Hartson would have had the right to decline to work on any case for moral, religious or other reasons.

"If John had felt that way about this case, given that he is a brilliant lawyer, he would have just said, `This isn't my cup of tea' and I would have said, `Fine, we'll look for something else that would suit you,'" Smith said.

The Lambda Legal Defense Fund, which helped move the case through the state and federal courts, said Roberts' involvement raised more questions about him than it answered because of his "much more extensive advocacy of positions that we oppose," executive director Kevin Cathcart said.

"This is one more piece that will be added to the puzzle in the vetting of John Roberts' nomination," Cathcart said.

The Rev. Lou Sheldon, founder of the Traditional Values Coalition, said his support for Roberts' nomination has not diminished. "He wasn't the lead lawyer. They only asked him to play a part where he would be Scalia in a mock trial," Sheldon said.

Focus on the Family Action, the political arm of the Colorado Springs-based conservative Christian ministry Focus on the Family, said Roberts' involvement was "certainly not welcome news to those of us who advocate for traditional values," but did not prompt new concerns about his nomination, which the group supports.

"That's what lawyers do — represent their firm's clients, whether they agree with what those clients stand for or not," the group said in a statement.

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