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God did not elect Obama. The people did.

Posted By: Backwards typist on 2009-01-24
In Reply to: President Obama - Heda

Some  the people who voted for O did it because of his promises. Three-quarters of the people  voted for him because of his color.  That's not fabricated, it's the truth.


I, for one, did not vote for him and it was not because of his color. I couldn't care less what color he is. If I did, I'd start posting about how he is half white. That's not the point. I don't know why some people on this board spout racisim just because someone did not vote for him.


I didn't vote for him because of his promises. Like all politicians, he made promises that are impossible to keep. He won the election because most of the voters thought he was sincere and would turn this country around in a heartbeat. I believe there are a lot of voters who will be the first to gripe when it doesn't happen. But then, again, that's just my opinion.  I am willing to give him a chance but I surely don't like being called a racist just because I did not vote for him.


People have to start looking at RECORDS of the people they are voting for; i.e., voting records, any bills they sponsor and why, etc., etc.,  not listening to the spiel. I learned that quite a few years ago and I will not vote for someone who blind sides the public with glorious ideas without a thought as to what could happen down the road.


A president and/or any respresentative of the people has to hold the constiuents thoughts in mind when they are voting. I haven't seen that happen since before Carter. People have to GET INVOLVED in their government by writing to their reps. Otherwise, the reps think everything is honkey-dorey. I, myself, write to my reps a lot.  Sometimes I get a canned reply, sometimes I get a "I will be looking into this" type letter.


Well, I see I just tried to give a lecture, so I'll get off my soap box for now....but remember this: Government is only as good as the people. Keep quiet and they will keep doing the same old, same old. Understand what I'm saying?


 


 




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well, if you elect Obama and he raises...
capital gains taxes you sure won't have to have a card reader....your 401K is going to sufferrrr. lol.
If you elect Obama....you are giving the power to the party...
who are largely responsible for the "mess" we currently find ourselves in.
PRESIDENT ELECT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ! ! ! ! ! !
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Get it right...President-elect Barack Obama stated it
was people's choice if they chose to have an abortion.  Nevertheless, you live in america and he is your president as well, just go ahead and face the fact.  It does not matter whether you trust him or not, he is your president, RESPECT him as such!!!!!!!
OMG! Are you serious? Go ahead, elect O
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I think that what a president-elect does ......
does in the first days of his president-elect days, is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than the 10000 series of the soap opera 'Days of our lives', or whatever......
He's not even president elect yet
So it's just posturing. Oooohh....he's assembled a panel. I'm impressed.

Not.

Actually he's not president-elect yet
I know it's odd to think of it, but he has not yet been nominated by the electoral college, therefore is still just a citizen. Once the electoral college votes on Dec 13th, then in January the congress votes. Then if he is elected then he will be president elect. Until then he is still just a citizen. This is why they are trying to clear up whether or not he is elegible to become present. There are many many lawsuits, several in many states who are filing a lawsuit because he won't show proof of his eligibility. So until the congress votes in January Obama is still just a citizen and not president elect yet.
Never before has a president-elect...sm
Sought to elevate himself to POTUS status before actually occupying the Oval Office. Obama has put himself in the media forefront by trying to enact policy before taking office, therefore making himself a target for criticism. As Bush said in his last press conference, he knows there are people who dislike him and people who disagree with him; it's just part of the job. No President in history has been able to escape the slings and arrows of his constituents simply because of the nature of his job and the fact that people will always find something to complain about; it's just in their nature. Obama will be under scrutiny, yes, but I doubt it will be any more critical an examination than Bush has had to endure.
You mean "proud of your pres-elect" (nm)

Office of the President Elect...

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_president_elect_/2008/11/10/149643.html











Obama Invents 'Office of the President-Elect'














Barack Obama has created a stir by proclaiming that he heads “The Office of President-Elect” — an office that does not officially exist.


At his first news conference on Nov. 7, Obama stood at a podium bearing a sign that read: “Office of the President-Elect. Also, his Web site, Change.gov, bears the words “Office of the President-Elect” at the top of its home page.


Writer Larry Anderson referred to the “made-up little title” on the American Thinker Web site, and declared: “I nearly busted a gut ...


“Once again, [Obama] can’t wait to invest himself with the trappings of office.”


Conservative columnist Michelle Malkin wondered: “What other make-believe offices are they going to invent between now and Inauguration Day? I can’t ever recall in my lifetime any mention of such an office.”


Technically speaking, Obama may not even be the President-elect, according to the American Sentinel Web site.


“Megalomaniac Obama’s ego grows even more insufferable,” a weekend posting reads.


“Yes, he will be [president-elect]. But he’s not officially yet, until the Electoral College votes.


“The Constitution provides that on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December, electors convene in their respective state capitals. It’s then that they formally elect the President of the United States, based on the general election results.”


The Nov. 7 news conference did not mark the first time Obama has created controversy with a podium.


Back in June, he spoke at a podium bearing a new seal that altered the official presidential seal.


The seal did include the American bald eagle clutching arrows and an olive branch, but the Latin phrase “E Pluribus Unum” was changed to “Vero Possumus,” a rough translation of the Obama campaign slogan, “Yes we can.”


Obama’s seal also removed the shield over the eagle’s breast, representing the president’s oath to defend the Constitution, and replaced it with the letter “O,” presumably for Obama, and the image of the rising sun.









© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.




do u realize he is actually not even "president elect" yet?
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Oh, he knows. "You elect me", I will find
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Get over it. He is the president elect by a majority vote. nm
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He is not supposed to attend since he's only the President-elect.
This summit is for leaders of the country, not leaders that will be.
Rahm Emanuel is not the president-elect....(sm)

If you pay attention to what Obama is doing right now this might make sense.  Obama is filling his cabinet not only with people who agree with him, but also people who disagree with him.  Presumably he's following the lead of Lincoln who did this with his cabinet members.  The conclusion I come up with is that just because Rahm said it doesn't necessarily mean it will be law.


Sorry - we didn't elect him to bow to the leader of another country
If he's an american citizen he should not be bowing to the Saudi leader, or the Queen. He doesn't bow to G. Brown, or the leader of France, Italy, or any of those other country. You bow to someone if you are a servant to them.

He is not doing what we elected him to do and we certainly didn't elect him to bow. I feel sorry for you.
technically not even president-elect until electoral college meets. nm
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Dems defy Pelosi and elect Hoyer House Leader sm

Could this mean some things are back on the table? 


Democrats defy Pelosi, elect Hoyer House leader
Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:01 PM ET



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A week after winning back control of the U.S. Congress, divided Democrats in the House defied incoming speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday and elected Steny Hoyer to be majority leader, a Democratic Party aide said.


Pelosi, a California liberal, had endorsed Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, who helped lead the charge against the Iraq war that was a key factor in races for the House of Representatives and the Senate.


The aide said the vote behind closed doors was 149-86.


But Democrats embraced Hoyer, a Maryland moderate who has been Pelosi's deputy while she served the past three years as minority leader. The two have had a somewhat strained relationship.


Pelosi, as expected, was officially nominated to be the first woman speaker of the House.


 


So, it was okay for the uber-right-wing neocons to elect Bush and nominate McPalin?

Now THAT's tripe.........or should I say, our country has been disemboweled and that's why Obama won the election......no matter who voted for him in the MAJORITY.


How about the people who just don't want Obama
because they see him for what he is...not trustworthy, deceitful, secretive.

They don't care for McCain and now have no hopes for Obama. Why do you make everything about McCain when someone doesn't want Obama in office? Your assumptions are quite ignorant.
Exactly! Why cant people see through Obama?
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People go to see Obama
hoping to touch the hem of his garment and be healed. 
I found a Freudian slip too - present elect Clinton (not president erect)
HA HA HA - but then if the shoe fits. HA HA HA
Obama. He knows the American people
want to see a debate between the two people who are running for president, one of whom will inheret a BIG MESS.  McCain hasn't worried about voting for anything in a looonnnngggg time.  This is all a ploy, and he GOTCHA!  Teehee.
Obama fooling people

I agree with you.  He has not fooled me for 1 minute or my family or friends in our Bible Chapel or the elders in our chapel.  Thank God that McCain has good principles against abortion and against gay marriage.


The will of the people voted Obama in
and the will of the people voted down gay marriage. There is no gray area.
yes, and many people who voted for Obama can think for themselves too

Lots of people have, but Obama
and he may be smart, but no common sense.
What is creepy is people following in lockstep behind Obama...
and not questioning anything about him. HIs associations, his Marxist leanings...none of that seems to matter to any of you. And THAT to ME is creepy.

I have posted several good things about McCain. I am 100% on board with a candidate who says he will appoint Democrats and Independents to his cabinet and try to get Washington working together again and remembering that they work for US, the people, not to promote their careers and line their pockets. You bet I am 100% on board for that. That is all that will fix that stagnation in washington. McCain has tried to do that his entire career. Palin tried to do it in Alaska. I am 100% on board for cutting pork spending, so is he. I am 100% on board for looking at all the entitlement programs and killing the ones that are not working. I am on board for keeping corporate America healthy because they provide 80% of the jobs in this country. I don't have anything against anyone who has worked their way up, had a good idea and it grew into millions (Bill Gates, Windows for instance). I don't think Bill Gates owes me a dime of what he worked so hard to build. But he is also a major philantropist and supports many worthy causes. The government does not need to extract money from him and redistribute it to people who do not pay taxes in the first place, which encourages them to stay where they are in the lowest economic class. If he really cared about those people he would be figuring out ways to elevate them from that class instead of putting his foot on their neck to keep them there. All socialism ends up doing is killing free enterprise and eventually the government controls everything, the middle class disappears forever, and all the money is at the top..in the government, who doles it out to the people like they are children. Cuba has not done so well under socialism. Venezuela has not done so well under socialism. But you are ready to put a man into office who wants that same thing for THIS country. To me, THAT is creepy.

Again with the Bush doctrine. You really need to read up on that. Even Democrat pundits are honest enough to say that was an unfair question.

As to his glasses...if you watched him interview other people...he does not do that. And he does not pull the chairs so close knees touch. That is all orchestrated. And we did not see the whole interview. I would like to see what is on the cutting room floor.

One thing I have to say...when they walked out by the lake, and he was more like Charlie Gibson, a person, talking to Sarah Palin, a person...actually smiling at her...yep, tho he would never admit it...I think Charlie was impressed by her too. lol.

I don't hate Barack Obama. That is ridiculous. You have to know someone to hate them. I think he is probably a nice person; he certainly has a beautiful family. That does not make him ready to be President. I just don't agree with what he wants to do to this country. I think his ideas are wrong for this country. He leans for far left...that yes, it's creepy.

We should all vote according to what we believe is right for the country. Another thing John McCain said that I truly appreciate...Country First. He and palin are the only ones doing so, in my estimation.
There is a smart man. Obama would love people to
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Obama supporters are the most clueless people
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What if Obama didn't hate people like me? (sm)
I like Obama as a speaker, I think Obama is very intelligent and educated. I think Obama is very attractive. I like a lot of the ideas he has. I just cannot skirt around the issue of those he has associated with and the church he attended for 20 YEARS! I find it hard to believe he is not racist against me, a plain old white citizen. I think it doesn't matter that I have friends of all races, and that I love someone of another race. All that matters to his minister is that I am white and that makes him hate me, and if Obama didn't also hate me, and those like me, then why did he continue to attend that church and listen to the acid spewing from his minister's mouth for 20 years?   While I think it is horrible that our ancestors forced African's into slavery and treated them horribly, I didn't do it! I would never do it!  I love everyone! Why do I have to be a victim of prejudice now, just because I am white?  Why can't prejudice not exist either way?
Right!!! People are so nasty to Palin, yet Obama
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Obama is a fraud and a radical, but the people will
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People thought Bush was so bad, under Obama,
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people are starting to pay attention. Obama's lead
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Obama is a wonderful man and people know the truth when they hear it nm
People know the truth when they hear it.
Obama is the choice of the educated and smartest people nm
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OBAMA WON, the American people have spoken loudly
hahaha
People sucking lemons hate Obama.
Guess what...reality has already hit. Barack Obama was elected President of the United States, and he has already begun to undo some of the damage done by Georgie Porgie.

I hear there is a sale on lemons and sour grapes that you might be interested in!
What the chart shows is that Obama is going to raise taxes on the people....
who employ the people in the other brackets. Trickle down will not be beneficial. What is wrong with giving the middle class a break? They are already supporting most of the lower class anyway. THe lower class already pay next to nothing in taxes. Oh I forgot...economic parity, redistribution of wealth....good old Marxist values.
Gourdpainter, I agree with you. So do most people since Obama is ahead of McCain.

McCain doesn't have any solutions except trying to get Palin to tear down Obama with her big mouth.


Totally wrong because the most educated people vote for Obama sm
That is a fact. The dumb, uneducated vote repub, the greedy rich vote repub and the religious right vote repub. The college educated people vote Obama. Why do you think McBush and Failin are out there calling Joe SixPack etc... that's their only hope. They know the filthy rich without conscience will vote for them. They know the religiouis nuts but some of the eehaas and dummies have been going to Obama and McBush and Failin are freaking out a little.
"Senator Obama's Four Tax Increases for People Earning Under $250k"...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/senator_obamas_four_tax_increa.html


I confess.  Senator Obama's two tax promises: to limit tax increases to only those making over $250,000 a year, and to not raise taxes on 95% of "working Americans," intrigued me.  As a hard-working small business owner, over the past ten years I've earned from $50,000 to $100,000 per year.  If Senator Obama is shooting straight with us, under his presidency I could look forward to paying no additional Federal taxes -- I might even get a break -- and as I struggle to support a family and pay for two boys in college, a reliable tax freeze is nearly as welcome as further tax cuts.


However, Senator Obama's dual claims seemed implausible, especially when it came to my Federal income taxes.  Those implausible promises made me look at what I'd been paying before President Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, as well as what I paid after those tax cuts became law.  I chose the 2000 tax tables as my baseline -- they reflect the tax rates that Senator Obama will restore by letting the "Bush Tax Cuts" lapse.  I wanted to see what that meant from my tax bill.


I've worked as the state level media and strategy director on three Presidential election campaigns -- I know how "promises" work -- so I analyzed Senator Obama's promises by looking for loopholes. 


The first loophole was easy to find:  Senator Obama doesn't "count" allowing the Bush tax cuts to lapse as a tax increase.  Unless the cuts are re-enacted, rates will automatically return to the 2000 level. Senator Obama claims that letting a tax cut lapse -- allowing the rates to return to a higher levels -- is not actually a "tax increase."  It's just the lapsing of a tax cut.


See the difference? 


Neither do I. 


When those cuts lapse, my taxes are going up -- a lot -- but by parsing words, Senator Obama justifies his claim that he won't actively raise taxes on 95 percent of working Americans, even while he's passively allowing tax rates to go up for 100% of Americans who actually pay Federal income taxes. 


Making this personal, my Federal Income Tax will increase by $3,824 when those tax cuts lapse.  That not-insignificant sum would cover a couple of house payments or help my two boys through another month or two of college.


No matter what Senator Obama calls it, requiring us to pay more taxes amounts to a tax increase.  This got me wondering what other Americans will have to pay when the tax cuts lapse. 


For a married family, filing jointly and earning $75,000 a year, this increase will be $3,074.  For those making just $50,000, this increase will be $1,512.  Despite Senator Obama's claim, even struggling American families making just $25,000 a year will see a tax increase -- they'll pay $715 more in 2010 than they did in 2007.  Across the board, when the tax cuts lapse, working Americans will see significant increases in their taxes, even if their household income is as low as $25,000.  See the tables at the end of this article.


Check this for yourself.  Go to http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/ and pull up the 1040 instructions for 2000 and 2007 and go to the tax tables.  Based on your 2007 income, check your taxes rates for 2000 and 2007, and apply them to your taxable income for 2007.  In 2000 -- Senator Obama's benchmark year -- you would have paid significantly more taxes for the income you earned in 2007.  The Bush Tax Cuts, which Senator Obama has said he will allow to lapse, saved you money, and without those cuts, your taxes will go back up to the 2000 level.  Senator Obama doesn't call it a "tax increase," but your taxes under "President" Obama will increase -- significantly.


Senator Obama is willfully deceiving you and me when he says that no one making under $250,000 will see an increase in their taxes.  If I were keeping score, I'd call that Tax Lie #1.


The next loophole involves the payroll tax that you pay to support the Social Security system. Currently, there is an inflation-adjusted cap, and according to the non-profit Tax Foundation, in 2006 -- the most recent year for which tax data is available -- only the first $94,700 of an unmarried individual's earnings were subject to the 12.4 percent payroll tax. However, Senator Obama has proposed lifting that cap, adding an additional 12.4 percent tax on every dollar earned above that cap -- and in spite of his promise, impacting all those who earn between $94,700 and $249,999. 


By doing this, he plans to raise an additional $1 trillion dollars (another $662.50 out of my pocket -- and how much out of yours?) to help fund Social Security.  Half of this tax would be paid by employees and half by employers -- but employers will either cut the payroll or pass along this tax to their customers through higher prices.  Either way, some individual will pay the price for the employer's share of the tax increase.


However, when challenged to explain how he could eliminate the cap AND not raise taxes on Americans earning under $250,000, Senator Obama suggested on his website that he "might" create a "donut" -- an exemption from this payroll tax for wages between $94,700 and $250,000. But that donut would mean he couldn't raise anywhere near that $1 trillion dollars for Social Security.  When this was pointed out, Senator Obama's "donut plan" was quietly removed from his website. 


This "explanation" sounds like another one of those loopholes. If I were keeping score, I'd call this Tax Lie #2.


(updated) Senator Obama has also said that he will raise capital gains taxes from 15 percent to 20 percent.  He says he's aiming at "fat cats" who make above $250,000.   However, while only 1 percent of Americans make a quarter-million dollars, roughly 50 percent of all Americans own stock – and while investments that are through IRAs, 401Ks and in pension plans are not subject to capital gains, those stocks in personal portfolios are subject to capital gains, no matter what the owner’s income is. However, according to the US Congress’s Joint Economic Committee Study, “Recent data released by the Federal Reserve shows that nearly half of all U.S. households are stockholders.  In the last decade alone, the number of stockholders has jumped by over fifty percent.”  This is clear – a significant number of all Americans who earn well under $250,000 a year will feel this rise in their capital gains taxes. 
Under "President" Obama, if you sell off stock and earn a $100,000 gain -- perhaps to help put your children through college -- instead of paying $15,000 in capital gains taxes today, you'll pay $20,000 under Obama's plan. That's a full one-third more, and it applies no matter how much you earn. 


No question -- for about 50 percent of all Americans, this is Tax Lie #3.


Finally, Senator Obama has promised to raise taxes on businesses -- and to raise taxes a lot on oil companies.  I still remember Econ-101 -- and I own a small business.  From both theory and practice, I know what businesses do when taxes are raised.  Corporations don't "pay" taxes -- they collect taxes from customers and pass them along to the government.  When you buy a hot dog from a 7/11, you can see the clerk add the sales tax, but when a corporation's own taxes go up, you don't see it -- its automatic -- but they do the same thing.  They build this tax into their product's price.  Senator Obama knows this.  He knows that even people who earn less than $250,000 will pay higher prices -- those pass-through taxes -- when corporate taxes go up. 


No question: this is Tax Lie #4.


There's not a politician alive who hasn't be caught telling some minor truth-bender.  However, when it comes to raising taxes, there are no small lies.  When George H.W. Bush's "Read my lips -- no new taxes" proved false, he lost the support of his base -- and ultimately lost his re-election bid. 


This year, however, we don't have to wait for the proof: Senator Obama has already promised to raise taxes, and we can believe him. However, while making that promise, he's also lied, in at least four significant ways, about who will pay those taxes.  If Senator Obama becomes President Obama, when the tax man comes calling, we will all pay the price.  And that's the truth.


Tax Rates - and the Obama Increase - $50,000/year Taxable Income















































2000 Tax Tables


2003 Tax Tables


2004 Tax Tables


2010 Tax Tables - (Bush Tax Cuts have Expired)


Increase with Obama Tax Increase*


Taxable Income


$50,000


$50,000


$50,000


$50,000


$50,000


Tax: Single


$10,581


$9,304


$9,231


$10,581


$1,350


Tax: Married -  Filing Joint


$8,293


$6,796


$6,781


$8,293


$1,512


Tax: Married - Filing Separate


$11,143


$9,304


$9,231


$11,143


$1,912


Tax: Head of Household


$9,424


$8,189


$8,094


$9,424


$1,330



Tax Rates - and the Obama Increase - $75,000/year Taxable Income















































2000 Tax Tables


2003 Tax Tables


2004 Tax Tables


2010 Tax Tables - (Bush Tax Cuts have Expired)


Increase with Obama Tax Increase*


Taxable Income


$75,000


$75,000


$75,000


$75,000


$75,000


Tax: Single


$17,923


$15,739


$15,620


$17,923


$2,303


Tax: Married -  Filing Joint


$15,293


$12,364


$12,219


$15,293


$3,074


Tax: Married - Filing Separate


$18,803


$16,083


$15,972


$18,803


$2,831


Tax: Head of Household


$16,424


$14,439


$14,344


$16,424


$2,080




Tax Rates - and the Obama Increase - $100,000/year Taxable Income















































2000 Tax Tables


2003 Tax Tables


2004 Tax Tables


2010 Tax Tables - (Bush Tax Cuts have Expired)


Increase with Obama Tax Increase*


Taxable Income


$100,000


$100,000


$100,000


$100,000


$100,000


Tax: Single


$25,673


$22,739


$22,620


$25,673


$3,053


Tax: Married -  Filing Joint


$22,293


$18,614


$18,469


$22,293


$3,824


Tax: Married - Filing Separate


$27,515


$23,715


$23,504


$27,515


$4,011


Tax: Head of Household


$23,699


$20,741


$20,594


$23,699


$3,015



*   When "President" Obama allows President Bush's tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 to expire, this will amount to a DE facto tax increase

obama won...he wouldn't really because people won't really vote for black and lie to polls
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A lot of the hysterical people at McCain rallies these days are Obama plants....
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The American people didn't listen to the anti Obama sentiments sm
That Ayers crapola is not applicable. All that bashing of Obama is over SOUR GRAPES BABY!!! WE WON, YES WE CAN, YES WE DID

If customary deference to a sitting president by president elect
for the rest of us who understand such concepts as respect and traditional protocol, it would qualify as a darned good reason.
Most people voting for Obama are voting on emotion...sm
You may be the exception.



All that matters is hope and change. At what cost, my friend, at what cost, will your hope and change come at.



He will try to change the very foundation of this country, the constitution, and our very way of life.


If I wanted that, I'd move back to Russia where some of my ancestors came from.


I can recognize socialism and Marxism, even if half the country cannot.


They only care for hope. And change.












So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm
to burn in hell, call people's children ugly, etc. etc.  Well, you might not BE gt, but you might as well be.  Even the liberals don't agree with gt, or hadn't you noticed?  You might want to check that out and while you are at it, the conservative board has been a regular play pen since the liberals stopped their hateful dive bombing.  In fact, some really good conversations are taking place over there between both sides, which DOES NOT happen on this site.