yes, and many people who voted for Obama can think for themselves too
Posted By: orangeorange on 2009-01-16
In Reply to: No comparison. Ann Coulter is not the president. - I refuse to drink O koolaid. -can think for myself
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The will of the people voted Obama in
and the will of the people voted down gay marriage. There is no gray area.
You should be asking all those people who voted for the ban. nm
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Most people who voted for the O will never admit
they were wrong. Even as they are being led to the camps they will never come out and say they were wrong if they believe they were.
Oh well, half the people who voted for O have no
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NOW will people admit they only voted for him...
Because he was black?
Are you watching the CNN coverage? It's like the ONLY reason today is an 'historic event' is the color of O's skin. If that's why you voted for him, fine, but at least have the guts to admit it.
Let's not forget that O's family had DIDDLY to do with Civil Rights movement, so there's NO REASON to dub him the new MLK. (CNN just called him 'The Healer' which makes me want to vomit.)
His father was African, not African-American, so he has ZERO claim to the whole 'we've been oppressed for six hundred years' BS. His family was more likely slave OWNERS than slaves.
It's absolutely LAUGHABLE. Is this an innauguration or the BET Awards?
Bash away, haters. Right back at ya.
He is NOT Lincoln. He is NOT Kennedy. He is NOT MLK. Of course, those men all have something in common......
.....they all had more going for them than fabulous PR.
I thought the same thing about people who voted for...
Bill Clinton twice. Takes all kinds I guess.
Reality - most of the people voted for him only because of his race
Even had to clear my ears a few times as I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Most of the people who voted for Obama voted for him only because his race. There are few out there who educated themselves and truly believed in his ideas, hopes and dreams. The rest...when they were told McCain's policies and asked if that's why they were voting for Obama they said yes. Others were asked the question, "So if Obama wins President you wouldn't mind having Sarah Palin as the VP" they said "no not at all I think she'd make a fine VP". Most think like they do and I heard many people reveal that they are voting for him simply because he is black and it's time we need a black president.
The "level-headed" people here voted for McCain.
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Obama voted against it, too!
What does that make him?
Why I voted for Obama (sm)
1. I believe in a woman's right to choose. I have read the FOCA bill and have based my decision on my interpretation of that bill in accordance with my own opinion.
2. I believe the war in Iraq is a disaster. I don't think it does credit to our troops to send them into harm's way for an unjust war. Obama will end that war and get our military home. The money we spend in Iraq is also included in that.
3. I agree with Obama's tax plan. I have sat down and compared the two, and in my situation, I get a better deal with Obama's plan. I see no difference in McCain's plan and what is going on right now with Bush.
4. McCain has shown is lack of leadershiip in the fact that he cannot manage his own campaign. He ran all around like a chicken with his head cut off when the economic crisis hit. Said he suspended his campaign and didn't. Obama submitted a plan and went with hit, showing leadership qualities.
5. Negative campaining: This is something McCain and his wife publicly said he would not do, and yet he seems to be okay with it now.
The list is much longer, but these are a few.
You know, GP, I voted for Obama and like
I said, I never cared for the Bush administration, but give Bush a break. Enough is enough.
and Obama voted yes for it. (nm)
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You voted for Obama? NUF SAID! HA!
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Excuse me, but I voted for Obama and
I have never questioned the authenticity of his birth certificate. I am not a supporter of Bush but he is our President until Obama is sworn in as President. GP, you jumped to all types of conclusions because I mentioned it was time to stop ranting and raving about Bush. That does not mean I am a Bush supporter.
Even Obama has made his peace with Bush and he is working with him. I think it is high-time you allowed for difference of opinions between dems and pubs. If the pubs want to question Obama's birth certificate athenticity, then so be it.
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Not right, as far as I can remember 59% voted for Obama...nm
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Obama and Biden voted for the bridge to nowhere....twice....
Hmmm....after all that castigating of Bush for Katrina...Obama and Biden had chance to shift funds for the Bridge to Nowhere to Katrina relief...and voted AGAINST it in favor of the bridge.
Now that Alaska is front and center in the news again, it is a good time to catch up on a favorite story, The Bridge to Nowhere, using the Washington Post US Congress Votes Database.
Though Gov. Palin originally supported the earmark spending on the Ketchikan bridge (“to nowhere), she eventually killed the project, choosing to spend Federal money on other infrasturcture programs.
However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn (R), who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief.
Sen. McCain did not vote on the Coburn Amendment, though he is on record as opposing the Ketchikan bridge earmark.
Link to votes record below.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/109/senate/1/votes/262/
Obama voted to extend the Patriot Act...
just so you know. After he said he would work to repeal it. There's some honesty for ya. Frankly, I don't think throwing your pastor and mentor of 20 years under the bus for your political career is particularly moral either. But that is just me.
If Obama plan is socialism then it was just voted in.
Got it?
CRAP! I blame all the ones who voted for Obama,
Geesh. THANKS A LOT. You wanted change, BOY ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT. He is not even President yet, and already a Marxist. Go ahead, bow on your knees to Obama, I want my United States back again. It may have not been perfect and Bush tried along with Clinton, Senior Bush, Regan, Carter, and all the other presidents, but YOU CAN HAVE YOUR HITLER, MARXIST GOVERNMENT. I blame you all who voted for the Marxist, Hitler style government.
Obama also voted not to fund troops in combat....
It should be apparent to all of us by now that whatever you can find on one politician you can find on another... :)
http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/news/PressReleases/454ad652-5f6d-4cb1-808d-d52a8aa6f4ac.htm
McCain's legal adviser has already voted for Obama.
Yet another high-profile Republican has endorsed Sen. Barack Obama — and this time, it’s one of Sen. John McCain’s own advisers.
Charles Fried, a conservative legal scholar, Harvard professor and former solicitor general under President Ronald Reagan, has asked to be removed from McCain’s list of advisers and thrown his support behind the Democratic presidential nominee.
http://washingtonindependent.com/14860/mccain-adviser-endorses-obama
Nobody cares who you voted for, you bash Obama now and that is not patriotic
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My DH and I, both middle-aged and white, voted for Obama because
we loved his intelligence and his views. Plain and simple. Blackness had nothing to do with our decision to vote Obama. May be hard for you to believe, I understand. Anyone who was against the Iraq war showed thoughtfulness, wisdom, and courage to buck his own party, number one in my book, and millions of others thought the same way. Too bad your coffee is laced with poison, and you HAD better HOPE he gets the country turned around for your own sake.
Her point is that Obama voted repeatedly against tax breaks for the middle class and suddenly he'
the middle class person's best friend! Funny how now he wants to help us, when each time he had the opportunity to, he voted against it.
Dems voted for it, Biden voted for it....
Bill Clinton signed it into law. Plenty of blame to go around. McCain asked for regulation of Fannie/Freddie in 2005. Dems blocked it. The Dem record is slightly worse in the regulation/deregulation arena.
But...plenty of blame to go around.
How about the people who just don't want Obama
because they see him for what he is...not trustworthy, deceitful, secretive.
They don't care for McCain and now have no hopes for Obama. Why do you make everything about McCain when someone doesn't want Obama in office? Your assumptions are quite ignorant.
Exactly! Why cant people see through Obama?
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People go to see Obama
hoping to touch the hem of his garment and be healed.
Obama. He knows the American people
want to see a debate between the two people who are running for president, one of whom will inheret a BIG MESS. McCain hasn't worried about voting for anything in a looonnnngggg time. This is all a ploy, and he GOTCHA! Teehee.
Obama fooling people
I agree with you. He has not fooled me for 1 minute or my family or friends in our Bible Chapel or the elders in our chapel. Thank God that McCain has good principles against abortion and against gay marriage.
God did not elect Obama. The people did.
Some the people who voted for O did it because of his promises. Three-quarters of the people voted for him because of his color. That's not fabricated, it's the truth.
I, for one, did not vote for him and it was not because of his color. I couldn't care less what color he is. If I did, I'd start posting about how he is half white. That's not the point. I don't know why some people on this board spout racisim just because someone did not vote for him.
I didn't vote for him because of his promises. Like all politicians, he made promises that are impossible to keep. He won the election because most of the voters thought he was sincere and would turn this country around in a heartbeat. I believe there are a lot of voters who will be the first to gripe when it doesn't happen. But then, again, that's just my opinion. I am willing to give him a chance but I surely don't like being called a racist just because I did not vote for him.
People have to start looking at RECORDS of the people they are voting for; i.e., voting records, any bills they sponsor and why, etc., etc., not listening to the spiel. I learned that quite a few years ago and I will not vote for someone who blind sides the public with glorious ideas without a thought as to what could happen down the road.
A president and/or any respresentative of the people has to hold the constiuents thoughts in mind when they are voting. I haven't seen that happen since before Carter. People have to GET INVOLVED in their government by writing to their reps. Otherwise, the reps think everything is honkey-dorey. I, myself, write to my reps a lot. Sometimes I get a canned reply, sometimes I get a "I will be looking into this" type letter.
Well, I see I just tried to give a lecture, so I'll get off my soap box for now....but remember this: Government is only as good as the people. Keep quiet and they will keep doing the same old, same old. Understand what I'm saying?
Lots of people have, but Obama
and he may be smart, but no common sense.
What is creepy is people following in lockstep behind Obama...
and not questioning anything about him. HIs associations, his Marxist leanings...none of that seems to matter to any of you. And THAT to ME is creepy.
I have posted several good things about McCain. I am 100% on board with a candidate who says he will appoint Democrats and Independents to his cabinet and try to get Washington working together again and remembering that they work for US, the people, not to promote their careers and line their pockets. You bet I am 100% on board for that. That is all that will fix that stagnation in washington. McCain has tried to do that his entire career. Palin tried to do it in Alaska. I am 100% on board for cutting pork spending, so is he. I am 100% on board for looking at all the entitlement programs and killing the ones that are not working. I am on board for keeping corporate America healthy because they provide 80% of the jobs in this country. I don't have anything against anyone who has worked their way up, had a good idea and it grew into millions (Bill Gates, Windows for instance). I don't think Bill Gates owes me a dime of what he worked so hard to build. But he is also a major philantropist and supports many worthy causes. The government does not need to extract money from him and redistribute it to people who do not pay taxes in the first place, which encourages them to stay where they are in the lowest economic class. If he really cared about those people he would be figuring out ways to elevate them from that class instead of putting his foot on their neck to keep them there. All socialism ends up doing is killing free enterprise and eventually the government controls everything, the middle class disappears forever, and all the money is at the top..in the government, who doles it out to the people like they are children. Cuba has not done so well under socialism. Venezuela has not done so well under socialism. But you are ready to put a man into office who wants that same thing for THIS country. To me, THAT is creepy.
Again with the Bush doctrine. You really need to read up on that. Even Democrat pundits are honest enough to say that was an unfair question.
As to his glasses...if you watched him interview other people...he does not do that. And he does not pull the chairs so close knees touch. That is all orchestrated. And we did not see the whole interview. I would like to see what is on the cutting room floor.
One thing I have to say...when they walked out by the lake, and he was more like Charlie Gibson, a person, talking to Sarah Palin, a person...actually smiling at her...yep, tho he would never admit it...I think Charlie was impressed by her too. lol.
I don't hate Barack Obama. That is ridiculous. You have to know someone to hate them. I think he is probably a nice person; he certainly has a beautiful family. That does not make him ready to be President. I just don't agree with what he wants to do to this country. I think his ideas are wrong for this country. He leans for far left...that yes, it's creepy.
We should all vote according to what we believe is right for the country. Another thing John McCain said that I truly appreciate...Country First. He and palin are the only ones doing so, in my estimation.
There is a smart man. Obama would love people to
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Obama supporters are the most clueless people
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What if Obama didn't hate people like me? (sm)
I like Obama as a speaker, I think Obama is very intelligent and educated. I think Obama is very attractive. I like a lot of the ideas he has. I just cannot skirt around the issue of those he has associated with and the church he attended for 20 YEARS! I find it hard to believe he is not racist against me, a plain old white citizen. I think it doesn't matter that I have friends of all races, and that I love someone of another race. All that matters to his minister is that I am white and that makes him hate me, and if Obama didn't also hate me, and those like me, then why did he continue to attend that church and listen to the acid spewing from his minister's mouth for 20 years?  While I think it is horrible that our ancestors forced African's into slavery and treated them horribly, I didn't do it! I would never do it! I love everyone! Why do I have to be a victim of prejudice now, just because I am white? Why can't prejudice not exist either way?
Right!!! People are so nasty to Palin, yet Obama
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Obama is a fraud and a radical, but the people will
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People thought Bush was so bad, under Obama,
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people are starting to pay attention. Obama's lead
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Obama is a wonderful man and people know the truth when they hear it nm
People know the truth when they hear it.
Obama is the choice of the educated and smartest people nm
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OBAMA WON, the American people have spoken loudly
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People sucking lemons hate Obama.
Guess what...reality has already hit. Barack Obama was elected President of the United States, and he has already begun to undo some of the damage done by Georgie Porgie.
I hear there is a sale on lemons and sour grapes that you might be interested in!
What the chart shows is that Obama is going to raise taxes on the people....
who employ the people in the other brackets. Trickle down will not be beneficial. What is wrong with giving the middle class a break? They are already supporting most of the lower class anyway. THe lower class already pay next to nothing in taxes. Oh I forgot...economic parity, redistribution of wealth....good old Marxist values.
Gourdpainter, I agree with you. So do most people since Obama is ahead of McCain.
McCain doesn't have any solutions except trying to get Palin to tear down Obama with her big mouth.
Totally wrong because the most educated people vote for Obama sm
That is a fact. The dumb, uneducated vote repub, the greedy rich vote repub and the religious right vote repub. The college educated people vote Obama. Why do you think McBush and Failin are out there calling Joe SixPack etc... that's their only hope. They know the filthy rich without conscience will vote for them. They know the religiouis nuts but some of the eehaas and dummies have been going to Obama and McBush and Failin are freaking out a little.
"Senator Obama's Four Tax Increases for People Earning Under $250k"...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/senator_obamas_four_tax_increa.html
I confess. Senator Obama's two tax promises: to limit tax increases to only those making over $250,000 a year, and to not raise taxes on 95% of "working Americans," intrigued me. As a hard-working small business owner, over the past ten years I've earned from $50,000 to $100,000 per year. If Senator Obama is shooting straight with us, under his presidency I could look forward to paying no additional Federal taxes -- I might even get a break -- and as I struggle to support a family and pay for two boys in college, a reliable tax freeze is nearly as welcome as further tax cuts.
However, Senator Obama's dual claims seemed implausible, especially when it came to my Federal income taxes. Those implausible promises made me look at what I'd been paying before President Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, as well as what I paid after those tax cuts became law. I chose the 2000 tax tables as my baseline -- they reflect the tax rates that Senator Obama will restore by letting the "Bush Tax Cuts" lapse. I wanted to see what that meant from my tax bill.
I've worked as the state level media and strategy director on three Presidential election campaigns -- I know how "promises" work -- so I analyzed Senator Obama's promises by looking for loopholes.
The first loophole was easy to find: Senator Obama doesn't "count" allowing the Bush tax cuts to lapse as a tax increase. Unless the cuts are re-enacted, rates will automatically return to the 2000 level. Senator Obama claims that letting a tax cut lapse -- allowing the rates to return to a higher levels -- is not actually a "tax increase." It's just the lapsing of a tax cut.
See the difference?
Neither do I.
When those cuts lapse, my taxes are going up -- a lot -- but by parsing words, Senator Obama justifies his claim that he won't actively raise taxes on 95 percent of working Americans, even while he's passively allowing tax rates to go up for 100% of Americans who actually pay Federal income taxes.
Making this personal, my Federal Income Tax will increase by $3,824 when those tax cuts lapse. That not-insignificant sum would cover a couple of house payments or help my two boys through another month or two of college.
No matter what Senator Obama calls it, requiring us to pay more taxes amounts to a tax increase. This got me wondering what other Americans will have to pay when the tax cuts lapse.
For a married family, filing jointly and earning $75,000 a year, this increase will be $3,074. For those making just $50,000, this increase will be $1,512. Despite Senator Obama's claim, even struggling American families making just $25,000 a year will see a tax increase -- they'll pay $715 more in 2010 than they did in 2007. Across the board, when the tax cuts lapse, working Americans will see significant increases in their taxes, even if their household income is as low as $25,000. See the tables at the end of this article.
Check this for yourself. Go to http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/ and pull up the 1040 instructions for 2000 and 2007 and go to the tax tables. Based on your 2007 income, check your taxes rates for 2000 and 2007, and apply them to your taxable income for 2007. In 2000 -- Senator Obama's benchmark year -- you would have paid significantly more taxes for the income you earned in 2007. The Bush Tax Cuts, which Senator Obama has said he will allow to lapse, saved you money, and without those cuts, your taxes will go back up to the 2000 level. Senator Obama doesn't call it a "tax increase," but your taxes under "President" Obama will increase -- significantly.
Senator Obama is willfully deceiving you and me when he says that no one making under $250,000 will see an increase in their taxes. If I were keeping score, I'd call that Tax Lie #1.
The next loophole involves the payroll tax that you pay to support the Social Security system. Currently, there is an inflation-adjusted cap, and according to the non-profit Tax Foundation, in 2006 -- the most recent year for which tax data is available -- only the first $94,700 of an unmarried individual's earnings were subject to the 12.4 percent payroll tax. However, Senator Obama has proposed lifting that cap, adding an additional 12.4 percent tax on every dollar earned above that cap -- and in spite of his promise, impacting all those who earn between $94,700 and $249,999.
By doing this, he plans to raise an additional $1 trillion dollars (another $662.50 out of my pocket -- and how much out of yours?) to help fund Social Security. Half of this tax would be paid by employees and half by employers -- but employers will either cut the payroll or pass along this tax to their customers through higher prices. Either way, some individual will pay the price for the employer's share of the tax increase.
However, when challenged to explain how he could eliminate the cap AND not raise taxes on Americans earning under $250,000, Senator Obama suggested on his website that he "might" create a "donut" -- an exemption from this payroll tax for wages between $94,700 and $250,000. But that donut would mean he couldn't raise anywhere near that $1 trillion dollars for Social Security. When this was pointed out, Senator Obama's "donut plan" was quietly removed from his website.
This "explanation" sounds like another one of those loopholes. If I were keeping score, I'd call this Tax Lie #2.
(updated) Senator Obama has also said that he will raise capital gains taxes from 15 percent to 20 percent. He says he's aiming at "fat cats" who make above $250,000. However, while only 1 percent of Americans make a quarter-million dollars, roughly 50 percent of all Americans own stock – and while investments that are through IRAs, 401Ks and in pension plans are not subject to capital gains, those stocks in personal portfolios are subject to capital gains, no matter what the owner’s income is. However, according to the US Congress’s Joint Economic Committee Study, “Recent data released by the Federal Reserve shows that nearly half of all U.S. households are stockholders. In the last decade alone, the number of stockholders has jumped by over fifty percent.” This is clear – a significant number of all Americans who earn well under $250,000 a year will feel this rise in their capital gains taxes.
Under "President" Obama, if you sell off stock and earn a $100,000 gain -- perhaps to help put your children through college -- instead of paying $15,000 in capital gains taxes today, you'll pay $20,000 under Obama's plan. That's a full one-third more, and it applies no matter how much you earn.
No question -- for about 50 percent of all Americans, this is Tax Lie #3.
Finally, Senator Obama has promised to raise taxes on businesses -- and to raise taxes a lot on oil companies. I still remember Econ-101 -- and I own a small business. From both theory and practice, I know what businesses do when taxes are raised. Corporations don't "pay" taxes -- they collect taxes from customers and pass them along to the government. When you buy a hot dog from a 7/11, you can see the clerk add the sales tax, but when a corporation's own taxes go up, you don't see it -- its automatic -- but they do the same thing. They build this tax into their product's price. Senator Obama knows this. He knows that even people who earn less than $250,000 will pay higher prices -- those pass-through taxes -- when corporate taxes go up.
No question: this is Tax Lie #4.
There's not a politician alive who hasn't be caught telling some minor truth-bender. However, when it comes to raising taxes, there are no small lies. When George H.W. Bush's "Read my lips -- no new taxes" proved false, he lost the support of his base -- and ultimately lost his re-election bid.
This year, however, we don't have to wait for the proof: Senator Obama has already promised to raise taxes, and we can believe him. However, while making that promise, he's also lied, in at least four significant ways, about who will pay those taxes. If Senator Obama becomes President Obama, when the tax man comes calling, we will all pay the price. And that's the truth.
Tax Rates - and the Obama Increase - $50,000/year Taxable Income
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2000 Tax Tables
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2003 Tax Tables
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2004 Tax Tables
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2010 Tax Tables - (Bush Tax Cuts have Expired)
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Increase with Obama Tax Increase*
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Taxable Income
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$50,000
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$50,000
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$50,000
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$50,000
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$50,000
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Tax: Single
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$10,581
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$9,304
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$9,231
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$10,581
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$1,350
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Tax: Married - Filing Joint
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$8,293
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$6,796
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$6,781
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$8,293
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$1,512
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Tax: Married - Filing Separate
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$11,143
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$9,304
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$9,231
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$11,143
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$1,912
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Tax: Head of Household
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$9,424
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$8,189
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$8,094
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$9,424
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$1,330
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Tax Rates - and the Obama Increase - $75,000/year Taxable Income
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2000 Tax Tables
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2003 Tax Tables
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2004 Tax Tables
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2010 Tax Tables - (Bush Tax Cuts have Expired)
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Increase with Obama Tax Increase*
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Taxable Income
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$75,000
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$75,000
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$75,000
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$75,000
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$75,000
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Tax: Single
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$17,923
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$15,739
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$15,620
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$17,923
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$2,303
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Tax: Married - Filing Joint
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$15,293
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$12,364
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$12,219
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$15,293
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$3,074
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Tax: Married - Filing Separate
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$18,803
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$16,083
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$15,972
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$18,803
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$2,831
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Tax: Head of Household
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$16,424
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$14,439
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$14,344
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$16,424
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$2,080
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Tax Rates - and the Obama Increase - $100,000/year Taxable Income
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2000 Tax Tables
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2003 Tax Tables
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2004 Tax Tables
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2010 Tax Tables - (Bush Tax Cuts have Expired)
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Increase with Obama Tax Increase*
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Taxable Income
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$100,000
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$100,000
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$100,000
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$100,000
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$100,000
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Tax: Single
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$25,673
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$22,739
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$22,620
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$25,673
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$3,053
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Tax: Married - Filing Joint
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$22,293
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$18,614
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$18,469
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$22,293
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$3,824
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Tax: Married - Filing Separate
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$27,515
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$23,715
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$23,504
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$27,515
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$4,011
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Tax: Head of Household
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$23,699
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$20,741
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$20,594
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$23,699
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$3,015
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* When "President" Obama allows President Bush's tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 to expire, this will amount to a DE facto tax increase
obama won...he wouldn't really because people won't really vote for black and lie to polls
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A lot of the hysterical people at McCain rallies these days are Obama plants....
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