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Guess what? Birth control doesn't always work!

Posted By: Even the pill. You are all making assumptions. sm on 2008-09-01
In Reply to: So this is a mistake? Reading that article - didn't make it sound like one?

and judging a teen and a mother based on those assumptions?? Sure hope the shoe isn't on the other foot one day. I know many women, wed and unwed, who have gotten pregnant while on the pill, taking it responsibly and consistently. There is no sure birth control, and any woman with a lick of sense should know that without a doubt.

Are you all honestly saying that someone with a full-time job therefore cannot raise a family or is incapable of spending adequate time with their children? If so, then everyone here working full-time with a family, raise your hands because you are now classified as unfit mothers. I don't care if you work from home or not, because even at home, if you're working, then you aren't giving your children undivided 24/7 attention. For that matter, if you sleep at night, you'd better raise your hand because you can't watch your kids if you're asleep. We could always go back to the 1950s version of mothers, I'm sure every child from that era was perfectly well-adjusted.

BTW, it takes TWO to make a baby so why is it always the FEMALE that is blasted? Seriously, especially if you are a woman making such comments, you should be thoroughly ashamed. Unless she's the new Virgin Mary, she didn't knock herself up, and unless you were present during the conception, you don't know if birth control was used. Just because Mom is against it doesn't mean the teen wouldn't use it anyway. Mom was obviously against teen sex but that apparently didn't stop her. Did you do every single thing your parents expected of you? If you say yes, then you should run for POTUS. Perfect people are so rare that any in existence would surely be voted into office. Then again, maybe not, because Jesus is the only perfect person I can recall and he was crucified.


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I guess our supreme court doesn't know what it is doing with regard to the BIRTH CERTIFICATE
shoulda allowed Harriet Meyers in there......
How about if some of us are using birth control to be responsible and control.......sm
the size of our families, as almost every family has to do? And believe me, I tried the "rhythm" method, and I have my beautiful son, Alex, as a response. And I adore him, and thankfully we found ways to afford him, care for him in every way, etc., but some sexual aides and birth control are actually used by Christian couples who have been married for 28 years, gong on 29 in May. sex is also important in a loving marriage, not just to "do whatever feels good." There is nothing shameful in married, committed sex.
Pro birth control....s/m
I'm definitely not pro abortion, but am pro choice in, what should be, the rare event of unexpected pregnancy, and in that case I think that the woman herself should be the one to decide whether to terminate the pregnancy or not, and if so, it should remain a safe, and legal option.  It's an extremely emotional, and difficult decision for most women to have to make in that situation.. I did a quick look and see that the abortion rate in the US has declined from 1996 to 2002. I'm going to look for statistics from 2002 to the present when I have more time. I think the key in the main is stressing birth control measures, and also making those measures affordable to all women across all socio-economic groups.
Birth control is....
used to prevent pregnancy......not kill an innocent child AFTER it is conceived.   BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!  How do you people sleep at night?
As far as birth control....I have not seen anything about...
people wanting to remove birth control. Just because an individual elects not to use it does not mean they do not want anyone else to have access. With this permissive society liberals have created there is really no choice but to provide it.

Yes, there are natural causes for miscarriage. That is leaving it up to God. For us to put the life of an innocent child totally in the hands of someone else to choose whether it lives or dies, just as a personal choice, I believe is wrong. Just as those in these orphanges murdered children...it is murder. Killing an innocent for no reason other than "oops" is wrong.

What overturning Roe vs. wade would do is put it back in the hands of legislators who, by the constitution, are the only ones who can enact laws. The Supreme Court should not be enacting laws. They are to interpret...not legislate. I believe it should be overturned because it is unconstitutional. Then put it to a state-by-state vote. Some states would outlaw abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or life of mother. Some would outlaw it, period. Some would allow it in all forms. But at least it would be the will of the people.

Why do you think congress has never tried to pass an abortion law? Even when the democrats had control? Even before Roe vs. Wade? The truth is in the pudding.
BTW, there are much better birth control
options than birth control pills. One of them IUDs, when those are in, there is nothing to 'forget' about them.
Not everyone has the same access to birth control. sm
I guess you didn't watch 20/20 this past Friday night? You can view it on their website. Go to http://abcnews.go.com/2020 and click on Watch: Babies in Memphis

I think everyone who is interested in this current thread would find it interesting, whatever your opinion on abortion is. It was called "Babyland" because that's what the locals call the cemetary where all the premature babies who die are buried if their mother can't afford to bury them.

It was about how the poverty-striken areas in Memphis, TN have much greater rates of premature births and deaths of babies than the more affleunt areas. Why? Lots of reasons, but probably the main one is lack of money, which means lack of prenatal care. No insurance and no easy access to a free or low-cost clinic. Lack of education. The girl they profiled was 18 and pregnant, and they showed another girl who had gotten pregnant at 12 yrs old, now a mother at 13. I mean, yeah, a 12 y/o shouldn't be having sex - she's still a child, but how in the world would she have access to birth control? She wouldn't.

It showed how the closest clinic is only open during the day (and only 1/2 day on Sat., to cut costs). No evening or weekend hours, so what are you supposed to do, take time off work, which you can't afford, to go get birth control (or prenatal care, etc.) which you also can't afford? I mean to you or me it may seem like a no-brainer - if nothing else go to the drugstore and get a box of condoms for $10.00, or the Today sponge thingie, but maybe they don't even have an extra $10.00 (or the time and $ to take 2 buses to get to the drugstore?).

All I'm saying is, the situation is different for everyone. I've personally never had an easy time with any method of birth control I've tried, and it's a bit of a wonder to me that I've never had an unplanned pregnancy because of that. Maybe because of that, I try to be less judgmental of others. Oops, more to say but I've got to go...


Birth control would have been nice.
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I knew about birth control.
However, was I willing to go to my mom and ask her to put me on the pill.  I knew my mother would have suspected my sexual activity and I didn't want her to know.  Most teens also have the belief that "it won't happen to me."  Now that I'm older, I see how some of the decisions I made back when I was 17 were poor ones, but at that time I thought they were great ideas.  Do I blame my mom and dad for the bad decisions I made back then....no.  Those were my decisions, my choices, and I had to deal with the consequences. 
She supports birth control and ..

supports abstinence-only education in schools, but she has also said she does not support tax payer dollars to distribute birth control in schools. She is a member of Feminists for Life, which is an pro-life group.

Feminist for Life is a pro-life group that has had its positions distorted to show that they are against birth control. Palin critics (including many in the media) have cherry picked in order to smear Gov. Palin.


whose insurance does not pay for birth control?
Mine sure as heck does. It is much cheaper to prevent births than pay for them. It makes fiscal sense.
i'm appalled that she is anti birth control
into office?!?!
My insurance pays for birth control.
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Abortion shouldn't even be an issue. With all the forms of birth control
available, many at low or no cost, not to mention abstinence, abortion should not even be an issue.  Too many people use it as a form of birth control and it isn't.  I know there are some circumstances that warrant an abortion, but those are rare.  Abortion may be legal, but it is immoral. 
Aw, I guess the rabids can't question that birth certificate anymore sm
That whole thing before the election on this board was nasty and ridiculous. NO MORE PALIN hahahahah and this is a great day!

Oh well, I guess it's not going to work....
You can find the same piece on the 2nd page of the MQ board (11/15) under "Christmas off???...What luck!!!!  it seems to work there just fine. 
Doesn't work that way.

IF Obama gets in, then Hilary can't run against him next time.  He would be the incumbent, and I don't see her jumping ships.


She can run against McCain in 2012...


That one doesn't work either. What's it about? nm
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It doesn't always work....
My daughter was on birth control pills - took them religiously - until she gave birth to my granddaughter. 20 years old and had NO idea she was pregnant, she had 3 blown disks in her back, had a period every month and she is so tall and long waisted, not a single one of us had a clue. I am grateful for my granddaughter - I love her more than anything. But it freaked my daughter out so bad, she immediately got her tubes tied. BTW, she had 3 cousins who got pregnant on birth control pills. So, they don't always work. No one likes abortion, but, I stand by the premise that a woman has the right to choose - whether you like it or not.
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Not sure how anyone can enjoy it????
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Do you have a website where I can find this?
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Unless you are a trained psychologist/psychiatrist you don't know McCain's thoughts. As the previous poster stated he's been back to Vietnam and he even met the people who held him as POW. He has no animosity toward them. It was a war a long time ago. McCain has healed from that and with the help of professional trained people. Your trying to insinuate that he is still p.o.'d about that. News flash - we are not at war with Vietnam and the people we are at war with did nothing to physically harm McCain. I believe McCain's experience he had being a POW adds to his character and he will understand better than anyone what our soldiers who are at war are facing. People seem to forget that he and Gov. Palin have children fighting in the war. They want them home as much as anyone else.

As for Obama and his Kenya ties - I don't know what kind of "deals" he would cut with Kenya. But somehow "cutting a deal" does not sound good for the US.
Your link doesn't work.
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/780410-SHVVvq/native/780410.PDF


That doesn't work anymore.
my friend. ;-)
Not scary....I guess Dems have a LOT of work to do...
making up for the hundreds of years of oppressing African Americans, trying to keep them enslaved, and even after Abe Lincoln and the Republicans freed them, and in 1870 amended the constitution so that they could vote. Then along came the Jim Crow laws and all but nullified that with poll taxes and literacy requirements. It was not until 1964 when enough northern Democrats joined Republicans in passing Civil Rights legislation and African Americans had a "real" right to vote. Just so we are all clear on this. Does that make Republicans the "liberals" of that era...? Sure sounds like it!!
you have to copy and paste them i guess but it will work that way
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Nice in theory. Doesn't work well
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Yes, but alas, socialism doesn't work that way....lol.
All you end up with is a lower class dependent upon the government for anything. Hello Cuba.
In case link doesn't work
I will post it this way too. :)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/14/60minutes/main3833797.shtml
nah, doesn't work...they're still here, and I barely watch anything that's...sm
called entertainment.

They're still here....


If socialism doesn't work - then why did W give the banks all that $$?
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That 'racist' card doesn't work with me..... wrong is
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I guess that makes you SOL, doesn't it?

Obama put too much trust in both parties. They are old hats at political gameplaying. The stimulus will not work and Obama screwed that up by handing it over to the wrong people to write in the first place. He will learn that NONE of them can be trusted and maybe then, he will flush their opinions and rely more on his own intelligence and goodwill. THAT gives me hope. He will have to act more like W - pass legislation while Congress is out and pound his chest and claim he is "The Decider!"


I guess that makes you SOL, doesn't it?

Obama put too much trust in both parties. They are old hats at political gameplaying. The stimulus will not work and Obama screwed that up by handing it over to the wrong people to write in the first place. He will learn that NONE of them can be trusted and maybe then, he will flush their opinions and rely more on his own intelligence and goodwill. THAT gives me hope. He will have to act more like W - pass legislation while Congress is out and pound his chest and claim he is "The Decider!"


I guess they figure if Bush doesn't play by the rules,
they don't have to, either.  No big surprise here.  They want to take over everything, just as Bush does:  With Bush, it's the world.  With them, it's this message board.  I agree with you, though.  They should stay on their own board, as the moderator has requested.  
Conservatives are for control over their own children and less control by govt

you want it both ways, it is dem fault with control, and when they had no control
it was their fault as well. yes GB did not get anything done, no deregulation, no war, no shift of power to the corporations, nothing.

so you are saying he was utterly incompetent?
Control? If you mean, control of putting our country
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fighting fire with fire doesn't work
We have been hitting each other over the head with clubs since Early Man.  The American military has killed innocents, too.  I do not think Americans are more deserving of anything than anyone else who inhabits this planet.  We are all human beings with families and feelings and lives.  Perhaps its time to drop the weapons and communicate for a change. 
Ayers doesn't regret the bombings, doesn't feel like they did enough sm

In a story that appeared in the Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Ayers told a reporter while promoting his memoir "Fugitive Days": "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."


Mr. Ayers, now a professor of education in Chicago, was a founder of the Weather Underground, which bombed government buildings in the early 1970s. He was indicted on conspiracy charges that were thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct.


He served with Mr. Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a charitable organization, and, along with his wife, the former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, hosted Mr. Obama at his home in 1995 when he was running for state office.


Mr. Obama has called Mr. Ayers "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."...so because it was 40 years ago, and Ayers is still proud of what he did, how is it justifiable for a US presidential candidate to now be friends with this man?  Unless he has the same view of America.


Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm
It does not count because its in the bag that our 3 electoral votes will go to the republican party.
birth certificates...

I just pulled out my daughter's birth certificate to look at it after reading a post somewhere below that said that Obama's birth certificate did not have a lot of information on it that birth certificates have (such as weights, name of particular hospital, etc.) and guess what - neither does my daughters.  It has the raised seal and is signed by the American consulate of the United States and states that she was born a female in Nuernberg, Bavaria, Germany on (insert date) and that it was recorded on (insert date). 


Nowhere does it say what hospital, what time, who the parents are, what the birthweight was, or any of that stuff.  This is just an official copy that they gave me and they kept all that other stuff on file.


So, if my daughter is most definitely an American citizen and it is not on her birth certificate - why would Barack Obama's necessarily have to have it? Maybe it was not their custom in Hawaii at the time he WA born to put all that on the birth certificates.  So just because it is not there does not make it a fake.


birth certificate

As in the words of Archie Bunker from "All in the Family" to his TV wife Edith:  "Stifle yourself...geeeez".


I assume you were there at his birth?
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Birth certificatem(sm)
I agree with above.  No way would Obama have been elected president if he wasn't a legitimate candidate.  Believe me when government employees have to undergo background checks these days, I am sure he was subjected to the same plus more.  To me this is just a loud-mouthed, disgruntled black man who probably in his mind thought he was going to be our first black president.  Too bad Obama beat him to the punch. 
I think it is just like the birth certificate - it won't go away. nm
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