Hamas was democratically elected by
Posted By: - on 2008-12-29
In Reply to: The O does not think so... - sm
the Palestinian National Authority and has won many local elections in Gaza, Qalqila and Nablus. The hold 72 of the 136 seats in the Palestinian Parliament, having unseated the former Fatah ruling party. Apparently, the Palestinian people do not agree with O.
He will have quite a dilemma on his hands reconciling this rhetoric with what democracy looks like in the Middle East, so let the games begin.
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Hostility? We do have a democratically...
controlled Congress and they are the ones who should be taking care of us. How is that hostile?
We have had 2 years of a democratically....
controlled Congress, which is where the laws are made, and also the congress who has the lowest approval ratings ever recorded. So does that make everyone who votes for a Democratic for congress this round a moron?
You should be writing to your democratically controlled congress...
about those issues as well. They are the ones we actually vote for personally and put there. They are the ones who should be taking care of us. Their approval rating is way lower than Bush's. And yes, I am pointing fingers at BOTH sides of the aisle.
Well....good for you....you figured out that this is a democratically-dominated board...
profound grasp of the obvious. lol.
Don't think they returned any from Hamas. nm
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And Hamas? Are they innocents? - sm
Heard one of the leaders of Hamas today state that they will never accept a peace agreement with Israel - that the "occupation" must stop. Occupation, occupation! Excuse me but didn't Israel win the war? And why not accept a peace agreement, better than doing what they are doing, what THEY are doing to their own people. How about all the buses, restaurants, etc. in Israel that have been blown up with innocent people and children in them? It is time for everyone perpetuating this hatred to give it up and try peace for a change. Hamas is a hate-filled bunch of terrorists and radicals.
Maybe your beloved Hamas SHOULD put God in it.
Then they might stand a chance.
As it is, they're on the way to defeat. (And good riddance to 'em.)
Yeah, Hamas has already endorsed him...
and he had to give their money back.
How many Hamas do you supposed they killed
when they bombed the women's dormitory at the University? Explain to me what threat the five Ba'lousheh sisters, ages 17, 14, 8, 4 and 2 and residents of Jabalya refugee camp, posed to Israel? All five were buried today. It is not enough for Israel cripple and starve the refugees with its ongoing strangling blockade of food, supplies and medicine and turn Gaza and he West Bank into one huge armed prison camp. These blood thirsty barbarians will not rest until they have satisfied their appetites with their latest fix of Arab slaughter. After all, it's already been 2 long years since Lebanon....way too long for the more ravenous among them to endure.
Hamas live in Gaza.
That makes them civilians, too, the same way our elected officials are also citizens and live in their respective states. If living in their own houses in their own neighborhoods is "hiding," then that statement is accurate.
HAMAS is a terrorist group
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Yeah, and Hamas weapons also
they can sneak in through their tunnels from Iran, and I think we know the technololgy from Iran is a little more sophisticated than you are admitting. Not to mention the fact that they are embedding themselves into the civilian population in Gaza thereby holding them as hostages and using them for the rest of the world to say the very things you are saying. It sounds to me like you are so disgusted with the US, you may consider leaving and joining the Hamas yourself since they are so great in your eyes.
Yes, and Hamas once again broke the peace.
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Those "schools" are also where Hamas hides and
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There was a truce. Hamas broke it and sent
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Yeah, right. Hamas squelches any opposition, so you can't
really call their elections democracy in action.
Yeah, right. Hamas squelches any opposition, so you can't
really call their elections democracy in action.
Baloney. Israel is targeting Hamas, who are
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How many Hamas in UNRWA, media buildings?
Israel's national security is threatened by "symbols of power," ie reporters and aid workers? Just one more US-backed pack of war crimes based on lies.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/articles/2009/01/03/hammond_top-5-lies-about-israels-assault-on-gaza.html
Refer to article for details.
Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.
Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.
Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.
Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.
Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/civilian-casualties-human-rights-groups-accuse-israelis-of-war-crimes-1366727.html
Palestinian fatalities: 1055, 670 of which are civilians, more than 300 children.
Israel fatalities: 13, 3 civilians, 10 soldiers, 4 BY FRIENDLY FIRE.
Palestinian injuries: 4560, over 1500 children.
Israel wounded: 178, 120 soldiers and 58 civilians.
IDF forces: 176,500 who accumulated 2360 air strikes BEFORE the ground assault.
Hamas militia: 20,000 total
How many Hamas in UNRWA, media buildings?
Israel's national security is threatened by "symbols of power," ie reporters and aid workers? Just one more US-backed pack of war crimes based on lies.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/articles/2009/01/03/hammond_top-5-lies-about-israels-assault-on-gaza.html
Refer to article for details.
Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.
Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.
Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.
Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.
Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/civilian-casualties-human-rights-groups-accuse-israelis-of-war-crimes-1366727.html
Palestinian fatalities: 1055, 670 of which are civilians, more than 300 children.
Israel fatalities: 13, 3 civilians, 10 soldiers, 4 BY FRIENDLY FIRE.
Palestinian injuries: 4560, over 1500 children.
Israel wounded: 178, 120 soldiers and 58 civilians.
IDF forces: 176,500 who accumulated 2360 air strikes BEFORE the ground assault.
Hamas militia: 20,000 total
Well, they already made him give back Hamas' money.
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Good. Hope Israel can destroy HAMAS.
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So.....3000-4000 rockets lobbed by Hamas into Israel...sm
in the last year, what about that? Does that bother you in the slightest?
Or in your twisted view of the world, please explain why that is A-0kay in your book.
Are you suggesting Hamas has 1017-mile-long tunnels?
Do you hear yourself? You are regurgitating more propaganda from US media sources, which act as mouthpieces of the US, AIPAC, and Israel policies. Do you understand how one-sided US news coverage really is? The only smuggling of any significance going on is between Gaza and Egypt and, for the most part, the contraband is food, clothing, medicine, fuel and cash, which they have been cut off from for the past 18 months due to Israel's blockade. If there is weapon smuggling, the majority of it would be coming from the Muslim Brotherhood who is not exactly able to engage in such activities openly since they are repressed by the Egyptian government and are not even allowed to run for office as a legitimate political party, are subjected to mass arrests, etc.
The Brotherhood is a Sunni organization and does not even operate in Iran, whose relations with Egypt are pretty icy, to say the least. These factors make high-level, successful arms smuggling connected to Iran difficult at best and fairly unlikely. It should come as no surprise that Iran is entirely supportive of Palestine, but the way US depicts the relationship between Iran and other Islamic political parties is highly exaggerated and often inaccurate.
In any case, the weapons that have been able to be smuggled in quite OBVIOUSLY do not measure up to the caliber of weapons Israel has been able to amass with US financial backing and direct arms provisions. Take a long look at the list I put in the other post. Israel is able to conduct its wars FROM OUTER SPACE.
If Hamas had such weaponry, we would not have a 125:1 fatality ratio between the two sides, would we now? I hate to break this to you, but Iranians DO NOT imbed themselves in Gaza. You really need to educate yourself on the difference between an Arab and a Persian, when and how they support each other and where they draw their lines.
BTW, no place in any of my posts have you seen me say I think Hamas is "so great." In fact, I support secular social democratic parties in the Middle East, including Iran. I simply view the area's politics from a different standpoint than most Americans because I have had occasion to live there, to work with refugees, to marry into a Moslem family and to befriend man Iranians, Iraqis Jordanians, Syrians, Turks, Lebanese, Palestinians and even a couple of liberal Israelis over the last 40 years.
If she is elected
What I meant is I will vote in the election but if she wins I will dis-own this country after that. If she gets in it will confirm my beliefs that the people's votes do not count. It's already starting to turn out that way. Clearly Obama is ahead right now, but I am hearing talks of the delegates deciding at the convention who will be the candidate no matter who is ahead. How fair is that??? If he is ahead by the people and the delegates how can the super delegates (who happen to all be on Hillary's side) come in and wipe out all the votes and delegate votes already casted.
Cya. And if they are elected I will still be here...
holding their feet to the fire, with my "Don't Blame Me I Didn't Vote for Them" sticker, and ready with the I told you so's. Y'all come back now...hear?
Must be so empowering to be so smug. Women who are thoughtful and intelligent...who attack another woman (Palin) like snarling dogs but would not attack one of their own? Yeah, loaded with class you thoughtful and intelligent women are. Please. Your actions bely your words.
So, if he is elected -
who is going to be running the country? If he wants to be my candidate, he needs to step up and let us see what he is made of and not let #2 take his spot. I have not yet seen a VP up front in all my years voting as I have seen with this ticket. We should be focusing on the the Presidential candidate and not the VP. I can still be swayed but I am leaning towards the Obama ticket. I need to see a strong presidential candidate - not a strong vice presidential candidate.
I already have next-to-none. If he's elected, at least
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Exactly! It's man's will that O was elected, not God's.
And it is precisely for that reason this country will suffer greatly. Mankind has been putting their human will before the will of God for centuries and this world will not be left to stand much longer because of it. THAT is God's will. And those of us who understand this are safe and secure.
We (as in probably not you) elected him....(sm)
as far as foreign affairs go to restore credibility to the US...and that's what he's doing. -- As opposed to the shrub method of trying to bully the world. Get a grip and try to catch up with the rest of us.
She's not even ready to be elected
That's how W got elected! U mean that was illegal! Huh!
Can't imagine the pubs doing anything illegal.,,,,,,,
All politicians lie to get elected.
We are all fooling ourselves if we thing otherwise. It is literally picking the lesser of two evils. The one thing that I can say is that at least McCain makes decisions. He votes instead of just voting present like Obama and when Obama actually has voted yes or no.....he has consistently said one thing and voted the exact opposite. I just do not think he has the experience or the ability to make executive decisions. I do not trust his associations and I do not have the same values as he does.
If McCain were elected and were to die, she would be...sm
a puppet president with the strings being pulled by the extreme religious right wing. That is why he was under pressure to appoint her. Now they will support McCain, tit for tat.
My advice would have been to have Colin Powell as a running mate, if he would even agree to do so, and to run on proper state of the art care for the injured troops coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan. I think that people would be able to swallow the war if they knew we didn't forget about the vets when they came home.
As I am sure if Obama is elected....
as the babies mount up dying in the closets of hospitals and we turn into a socialist state I will be very, very ill as well...but my conscience will be clear.
Could be that if O is elected, those nations
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How is Obama getting elected ...sm
saying the majority of Americans don't put the country first?
Quite evident, you elected the man who
your guns and your bibles and reelected the man who called you racist rednecks.
Obama said what he had to to get elected. Now
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LOL! How did that woman get elected
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When Obama was elected
those who supported the opposition and who warned of the types of sweeping changes to come during his presidency were told not to jump to conclusions based on what he had said during the campaign, or with whom he had chosen to associate throughout his life but to ''give him a chance'' to show the American people what he would actually do. We were told that racial prejudice and sour grapes were behind our feelings and that Obama would prove himself worthy of the office. To me, in just four months he has proven the exact opposite and further demonstrated a lack of character.
I did not necessarily want McCain in office. I voted the ''NObama'' ticket because I felt McCain would be slightly less destructive to our country and because I was pretty sure he is not a marxist. Voting third party would have been a wasted vote.
Sure, had McCain been elected I would have told his opposition to give him a chance to prove his worth as well. (I believe McCain's character has already been proven; I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.) But if he then demonstrated himself, through his words and actions, to be a screwup and/or a liar I would be posting exactly the same type of opinion.
I doubt he will be elected again.......... sm
because I doubt there will even be an election in 2012. At the rate things are going now, I can well imagine Obama invoking martial law prior to the election and making himself into a dictator. Chavez would be so proud.
The Bush was not elected song is getting old.
To truly prove you are not bitter, try not mentionig it again. It seems the left has enough problems with Bush without bringing that up. JFK was not legally elected either. Historians now know that Illinois was bought for him by papa. Life goes on. But the bitterness of carrying around a load of rage just never seems to leave.
Once either one is elected we are pretty much powerless...
to hold anyone's feet to the fire. However, the Obama adoring masses here will make excuses no matter how many mistakes he makes or how many promises he does not fulfill. Toe that party line. If you criticize him for not doing what he said he would do, you will be a lonely voice of one I'm afraid.
Yes, I will be watching McCain/Palin to see if they keep campaign promises. Because if someone does not find a way to work in a bipartisan manner, both parties are going to continue messing us over and doing what is best for their pocketbooks and political careers. They need to forget party after the election and get about the people's business. And only one candidate has said right up front he will be on them to make them do that. That is why I am voting for him.
From a national security standpoint, I think Obama is a huge, huge mistake.
That being said...yes, I will be watching.
you won't have any $ left if this commie gets elected. nm
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McCain is not 80. He would be if elected 2 terms (nm)
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So you don't care if Obama is elected only by
voters who don't actually exist......including illegals?
I might have to if your man gets elected. Maybe we'll be co workers nm
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Difference being if elected, SP will be in a position to
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LOL....better hurry because if Obama gets elected...
he will be after your moose gun. lol.
I am not fearful. I am resigned....he was elected.
And he is NOT "my" President yet, just like Bush was not yours. Let's be real here.
I understand that you think socialism will work. I understand that HE thinks socialism will work. Just like Che Guevara thought socialism would work, which is why he participated in the revolution which turned Cuba socialist. When he realized that it was NOT what he thought it would be, he moved on to Bolivia to participate in another revolution. The people of Venezuela have realized that all socialism got them was Hugo Chavez.
As I said, we will see how far Obama wants to go with it. The saving grace is that the senate did not get the filibuster-proof majority they wanted, so that in and of itself may rein in his socialist ambitions.
Will just have to wait and see.
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