and please ignore the ostrich with it's head in the sand too LOL
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In Reply to: Please Do Not Feed The Troll - nm
what makes one a troll? the fact that this person has a valid point?
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Said the ostrich with its head in the sand.
The way the store-bought media is acting cracks me up. Reminds me of a little schoolyard kid sticking his fingers in his ears and singing 'LA-LA-LA-I-CAN'T-HEAR-YOU!'
But your head is in the sand. SM
I don't equate the Crusades with bashing Catholics. What an idea! Wow...news to me. So all those threats you mention, how many of them flew planes into our buildings and abducted and beheaded our people? Really, your blase attitude is frightening. I just don't get it.
Head in sand-sm
9/11 and Iraq - not related. And that comes from our own government's report.
Head in sand? Your belief appears to be that by invading one country in an entire region of Islamic culture that we can make the bad guys go away. This isn't the American West in the 1860s. We can't wipe out all the Injuns and take over their land. The Middle Eastern culture does not like the U.S. politics, does not like our culture and generally doesn't want to embrace our form of government or religion so this experiment in killing all the bad guys in Iraq to secure the rest of the world from the terrorists was ridiculous from the start.
Then...if you keep your head in the sand long enough you can keep repeating over and over that the war is well-conceived and well-carried out and is going well...er, at least will start going well ANY MINUTE.
Maybe love won't cure terrorism against the U.S. but killing our soldiers in Iraq as well as a million Iraqi civilians isn't going to either.
Head in sand
I just don't understand why some Americans refuse to understand that Tex Bush is the most incompetant president in our history! Yet, some continue to try to talk themselves into believing he is doing whats best for America. You can say it as many ways as you choose, but, the fact is, the Iraq war was not necessary and has turned into one of our greatest collosal failures. It's simply too hard for some Americans to accept that over 3000 American soldiers have been killed for absolutely no reason. What about the many thousand innocent Iraqi men, women, and children who have died at the hands of Bush's war? Are they any less innocent than the victims of 9-11? Who are the terrorist in their eyes? Bush did not invade Iraq to fight terrorism and to bring the 9-11 culprits to trial. Had he done that, instead of engaging in this miserable war, his place in history might have been a little brighter. Instead, he is, and will, be considered one of the worst presidents in our history. For some Bush supporters, its simply too difficult to see or understand why.
When your head comes out of the sand...........
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keep your head in the sand - a month ago
they are VERY_CLOSE, this is no black sheep in his family....
Better to bury my head in the sand?
What makes you think I haven't contacted my Congressmen?
I love when people preach to the choir.
Or live like you with your head in the sand?
??
Head in the sand....final thoughts
You said: I am truly sorry that any of you on the right equate not wanting to fight, not wanting to kill, eshewing revenge shrouded as justice and preferring diplomacy to preemptive attacks with **lily-liveredness.**
My answer: First of all, to say that going into Iraq was revenge does a huge disservice to the people who died on 9-11 and to the soldiers who have died in Iraq since. I think a statement like that is unconsciable. It is your right to say it, my right to disagree strongly, which I do. I have a hard time understanding how any American could think that.
Second, I have never referred to anyone as lily-livered. No one WANTS to kill. You and the left keep saying that like Republicans or anyone NOT liberal (sound familiar?) WANTS to kill. That is just nuts. However, some people do believe that our way of life, our country, are worth dying for or killing for if necessary. That being said, for diplomacy to work, both sides have to be interested in a peaceful outcome. In what alternate reality do you imagine that Saddam Hussein, Al Qaeda, Al-Zawahiri, the Taliban, or ANY terrorist would be interested in a peaceful outcome, when their stated purpose is the destruction of the United States and Israel, and eventually anything not Muslim? Where in there do you see ANY room for diplomacy? THAT is what I mean when I (not others who post, I cannot speak for them) say *head in the sand.* Do you actually believe that diplomacy will work with these people? I do not for the life of me understand how you can look at the history of terrorist attacks, their escalation, and say that somehow talking with these people will make a difference. Perhaps you can clue me in on the possibility that you see in diplomatically stopping the terrorist threat? How that could possibly happen? I would be willing to listen.
You said: I see those as strength of character, the courage of conviction and fairhandness.
I say: Strength of character is also standing tall and saying *your plan of terrorizing and separating this country and her people will not work. If you plan to attack us, know that we will fight back.* Strength of character is also not kowtowing to bullies. Common sense tells you bullies do not respond to diplomacy. Bullies win by intimidation, sneak attacks, and fear. It is impossible to negotiate with these people, because you cannot give them what they want. Saddam violated how many UN resolutions before 9-11? His word was worthless, absolutely worthless. Simply because YOU desire that kind of diplomacy and YOU have those kinds of values, if they are absent on the other side, you might as well chop your own head off and save them the trouble. Yes, I remember how you said you did not fear having your head chopped off. The trouble is, it is not just YOU they are after, and your seeming lack of caring for what happens to your country and other Americans is pretty darn scary. THAT is what I mean when I say the left has become about me, me, me and the heck with the rest of you. And look at Kim Jong Il and Admadinejad...diplomacy is really working with them, isn't it? When are you and the left going to learn, for it to work both sides have to WANT it to work.
Please demonstrate to me how terrorists will respond to courage of conviction or fair-handedness. When did they ever show fair-handedness? They make cowardly craven attacks designed to murder as many as possible in one strike. There is no courage or fair-handedness in 9-11, in the Achille Lauro, in Beirut marine bombing, in the Cole, and the gazillion suicide bombings over the years, the embassy bombings...where in ANY of that do you think diplomacy would work? They are not of a country with whom you CAN negotiate. And you are willing to just keep the courage of your convictions, even knowing there is no possibility that will work, and allow yourself AND your fellow Americans who might not be like-minded to be murdered? And that is okay with you? No, sorry, I will NEVER understand that.
You said: No need for you to comment on this because I already know **I have my head in the sand** and do not need to hear you tell me again what a naive person I am, but they are my beliefs and I honor them and are proud of them because, no matter what happens, they are good and decent values and Iraq will not change my mind or my values.
I say: I do not believe you are naive. I believe you just choose to ignore and or rationalize what does not fit with your stated ideals, and I believe you have some noble ideas, and perhaps with a strong charactered, fair-handed enemy those ideals would be fruitful. They are not. They are the antithesis of strong character and fair-handedness.
But, I am sure you will be relieved to hear, I get it. I will not be foisting my opinion on you any longer, because as you say, there is no changing your mind, which is EXACTLY the point I am trying to make. As married as you are to your ideals, multiply that by about a gazillion and you know how the terrorists are married to their ideals. THEY are not going to change THEIR minds either, and we are NOT going to change THEIR minds by talking to them about strength of character and fair-mindedness.
And the rest of the story is that as long as there are still some Americans like us remaining, who are willing to go to the mat for America and ALL Americans, perhaps you will not ever have to give up the country and the way of life that let you form and hold those ideals.
You're welcome.
God bless.
Yeah, he really drew the line in the sand....
didn't he? I bet there are propaganda videos in AL Qaeda training camps already. sigh.
Ignore MT and maybe it will go away nm
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Will ignore you.
Your postings have deteriorated to a level of delusional ranting, it seems. You bring up things I've never mentioned, accusing me of all sorts of crazy things. It's pretty messed up all in all. I wonder if it made you feel better about yourself or relieved some tension with all your grievances. I am not going to read your posts for a while. They are disturbing in their being out of touch with reality and their accusations and they waste my time. End of story.
PS>>>>You guys keep giving us orders on how to act on the liberal board, that we shouldn't campaign for each other, etc., etc. Why is that? Isn't this our board? Who made you the liberal board police? Also, why would you say I'm not Lurker's equal? What is the point in that comment? Did I ever boast that I was? Just things for you to think about, don't need answers as these are rhetorical questions.
Just ignore them, and hopefully they will go away...sm
You brought up very valid points in your original post.
They're just trying to get your goat. It's one of the more childish games they like to play on the board, as you know.
At least they're not being potty-mouthed. For that, this heckler here, gets half a point for playing slightly nice.
I don't just ignore anything --
There are parts of what Obama stands for that I do not agree with, there are parts of what McCain stands for that I do not agree with. Either way I voted this time, there were things I was going to have to overlook.
can't ignore this
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Just ignore her...she seems to be just trying.
Ok, let's just ignore...(sm)
the military defense attorney who stated exactly who is in Gitmo. According to your statement, he must just be lying. What about all those prosecuters who have resigned or asked for reassignment because they knew what was going on and didn't want any part of it? If Gitmo prisoners are as bad as you say they are, why haven't they been tried and sentenced? But I guess you know better because, what, Bush said so?
I think a lot of people miss the point of Gitmo. In my opinion, Gitmos is nothing more than a tool to play on American fears (meanwhile sacrificing all US credibility). From your statement, I think it would be safe to say that it seems to have been effective on a few.
I hate to see you go and I wish you could just ignore, or even...sm
wear your feelings on your sleeve and brush them off everyday. One thing I learned a long time ago on this board is that we can not change the conservatives and they are not going to change us, so I think the separate boards is a good thing, so I do try to stay off their board but sometimes it is tempting to respond to them when they are bashing us over there.
But, in politics there are going to be trolls, there are going to be people who don't want to do anything but argue and incite, so just stand your ground and figure out which ones are here to debate (in rare form) and don't take the other ones serious at all.
You are correct. Please ignore
my above post. I was given incorrect information and failed to check its validity before passing it on. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. My humble apologies.
Yes, definitely ignore the past if it does not...
fit your agenda. It clouds nothing. Somehow I cannot see you blasting JFK for Viet Nam. Just cannot see that happening...though you swear you would. You just can't bring yourself to be disguated about something that is not happening NOW? Wanna talk about Carter and Iran? Oh no, we can't do that, that was in the PAST.
Well hang in there piglet...as soon as Congress pulls funding, the troops are brought home because of it, Viet Nam revisited, the horror that will become Iraq when that happens making NOW look like a walk in the park...you will be able to ignore THAT as the past also.
Must be nice.
Then probably the best thing to do would have been to ignore it...
and not call more attention to it? Maybe?
Last try - ignore typo ś" after why.
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Why do you just ignore the important
the gutter? Girl, you need to get a life! Oh, that's right, you said you did already. Transcribing 3500 lines a day, then the rest of a day stirring the pot on an internet forum just isn't my idea of a life.
Why do you just ignore the hard
the gutter? Girl, you need to get a life! Oh, that's right, you said you did already. Transcribing 3500 lines a day, then the rest of a day stirring the pot on an internet forum just isn't my idea of a life.
Let's ignore the obvious here...(sm)
It's not like he couldn't watch it later....How many times did Fox run the full speech yesterday? Then there's always the option of taping it and watching it later. Or maybe it was simply more important to him to have dinner with his wife than to watch the constant dribble of lies that has now become the hallmark of Bush. Do you think Bush is going to stay glued to the festivities of the inauguration?
Don't you think this is just a bit petty?
Perhaps. But to ignore the Islamic threat would mean sm
the end of life as we know it and we don't even want to imagine what the "new" life would be like. Be careful what you wish for.
Then ignore me. Let those who value debate speak with me.
That shouldn't be so hard to do for one as tolerant as you.
That's right, ignore a court document....
denial, denial, denial. You care nothing about the truth. I don't even know if you recognize it anymore. Pathetic. Cannot let go of prejudice long enough to see the truth when it is in plain black and white, and resort to snide remarks when you cannot effectively debate. But there is no debate here...CBS on the one hand said she was covert, and filed a brief in court stating the opposite. They have a history of lying to suit their agenda. And you are right there with them. I know you are not ignorant...I know you know that a court document is not cooked. The only impression one can glean from that is that you know they are lying, but you don't care.
And how does that speak to character?
Observer, please ignore my posts
Observer, please do not respond to my posts as you are not going to get any answers to your questions from me. I do not read your posts. They are con propaganda. My posts are for fellow democrats. You are wasting you time and energy reading and responding to my posts.
Egaads - please ignore my errors
I was just reading this post and noticed a few errors. Sorry bout that. Fingers flew faster than my mind was thinking.
Ignore the cult like thing.
The same comment could have been applied to Reagan, Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and FDR, and to a lesser extent to GW Bush. Looking at the election from a cult following is looking at the candidate's supporters, and not looking at the candidate, his qualifications and plans.
If you have an adversion to reading, you could ignore
Still come out with a sense that Sam is not quite firing on 4 cylinders on this one. We don't look to Michael Moore for our gospel, but he does provide a lot of inspiration for subjects for independent research. We do our research because we sort of keen on the other side of the story, dispelling uban myth and getting to the bottom of things.
Just ignore mustang sally....sm
..there is nothing of substance or value in his/her/its posts, except trying to upset republicans. Just ignore it.
I AGREE, IGNORE SALLY, SHE IS
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Chele, just try to ignore the poster.
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Regarding the video posted below - how can we ignore sm
After watching this, I am in shock many of us are willing to overlook a blatant truth. The part where his reverend is speaking in church and the part where the reverend is being interviewed is just very scary. Did he really call this man his mentor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUdjhKbImwE
Go ahead and ignore it, and vote to put the fox in...
control of the chicken house. I verified each one of those facts. Why don't you do the same? Look up the bills that were blocked. Listen to what the people were saying? Music was all you got out of that? Lord, no wonder we are in the shape we are in. Bless your heart.
Well, Obama says we can't ignore globalization...
he is the only one running who has described himself as a "citizen of the world." He is the only one who gave a speech in a foreign country (the aforementioned Germany) while running for President of the US.
So you tell me...
Address the name but ignore the quote?
use the exact same terminology and the exact same ideology that you have been slamming and slurring Obama for now for weeks? Heard it with my own ears...hot off the trail.
You guys can't have it both ways. He is promising to redistribute offshore drilling revenues from oil companies to "Talahassee." He was directing his comment to a rally full of Floridians. He was not proposing to give the Tallahassee state govt, but rather was speaking of the citizens right in front of him.
If Obama's spread the wealth is socialism...which McC camp has been yamering and hammering into our skulls for days and days and days now, then it would make perfect sense to assume that Palin's (out of the moose's mouth) "share the wealth" and "collective ownership of resources" is every bit as socialist, wouldn't it? This question requires a direct answer.
They choose to ignore that fact
Becauuse it would be much harder to scare people if they told the truth.
Good one! Unfortunately, O supporters will ignore it,
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Who said I was "dashing"? Why not ignore my post? nm
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So far, O chooses to ignore every lawsuit instead
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Please ignore the typo ś" after the word why.
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Ignore that very last line that says javascript
I was trying to insert one of those emoticons and it didn't work.
I'll just ignore the obvious...(sm)
idiocy of your remark. However, I do have a question for you. Where is it written in the Constitution that the president of the United States has to be a christian?
Just ignore them, Carla. They wouldn't be trashing
Pat Tillman's mother if his mother was a Bush worshipper. I think what they're saying is beyond ignorant.
The TRUTH of the matter is that Pat Tillman joined the Army in June of 2002 because he was so moved by the terror attack of 9/11 that he wanted to *get* Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. That was almost a year before the Iraq invasion when Chickenhawk Bush sent our kids to die for his fake war based on lies of WMD. Obviously Tillman saw through all Bush's crap, just like most Americans today see through it.
Believe Tillman's mother? You bet! I'd believe her any day of the week over lying Bush or his robotic groupies that troll this board. No contest! 
I don't think it is safe to ignore people like Chomsky. sm
I have never been a head in the sand kind of person. Especially when Hugo Chavez holds him up (as well as his book) as a shining example when speaking to the UN.
Ignore my spelling errors in the above post
Just read it and have a couple spelling errors, please ignore them.
Just ignore these posts by this person, Chele....
...she's been trying for hours to get people to respond back to her crapola. Don't give her the satisfaction.
Suffice it to say, what comes around, goes around. She'll find that out, one of these days, I'm sure.
I get the sad feeling, though, that she'll be back by another name, yet again,, as these seem eerily like other poster aliases that come and go with such frequency, maligning the Republican side with such venom. Such hatred makes for a very sad, unhappy person, indeed.
What is wrong with you people. Post, ignore,
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