He can't hide the fact
Posted By: Abbie on 2008-09-23
In Reply to: They are facts - Abbie
that he cheated on his first wife many times before he met Cindy McCain and left his wife for her. I also have a good friend who as a former fighter pilot actually knew John McCain. He saw the philandering first-hand and has a very low opinion of him. And he is a conservative republican.
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People with nothing to hide, hide nothing!
One of my favorite quotes!
The fact that an article was written does not make it fact. I hope you know that. nm
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Why is it sad? What do you have to hide? nm
I don't have anything to hide, do you?
I could care less if the government opens my mail (which they have been doing for years and long before 9/11 BTW), my emails or listens to my phone conversations. I have nothing to hide. You also are not allowed to send contraband in the mail. It's a federal offense and always has been. If one were speaking to terrorists and live in this country one should be brought up on charges of aiding and abetting the enemy and for being a traitor to this country.
I have nothing to hide. If this is
actually going on, they would quickly realize that I'm no threat. The worst they could get me for is gossiping.
No need to run and hide from
What I heard Obama reiterate his consistent policy to Joe the unlicensed. In the absence of a link, not too sure I heard that "below Joe" phrase from Obama, but I am assuming you are referring to income levels. Apparently, you did not hear me say that progressive tax structure has been in place for as long as I can remember and that giving tax cuts and tax credits, allowing tax cuts to expire, adjusting tax rate, adding and subtracting deductions, opening and closing loopholes revising categories of tax burden to be benefit or detriement of any given class (i.e, shrubs's tax cuts to the rich that redistributed tax burden "downward" onto the middle class) is nothing new under the sun and is actually very, very American.
You obviously do not understand (or at least, have a selective understanding of) socialism. Palin's "collective ownership of resources" skips that bump in the road all together and smack of communism...straight up, as does government ownership of banks and lending institutions along with government buy-outs of privately owned properties such as homes, as proposed by McCain. If Obama is a socialist, so is McCain, so is Palin and so is the shrub....unless of course, you would have us believe that as long as the bucks are directed upward to a ruling elite class (as was the case in the Soviet Union) and left to trickle down across the land does not qualify as redistribution of wealth.
Get over yourself. Palin and McCain have busted their own slur campaign just by opening their mouths. It does not matter to me whether or not you understand basic economics...what matters to me is how this folly is playing out on the campaign trail with the undecided and independent voters.
I think if they had tried to hide it...(sm)
it would have been 10 times worse. -- that would also be true if we were talking about dems in that position. Having said that, since Palin advocates abstinence and safe sex (as do the dems), the position her daughter is in only proves that this approach does not always work. I don't fault Palin or her daughter for the pregnancy, but I do fault the republican party for putting her up there as an example. It just sends a mixed message. I just think it was a bad choice.
NY'ers would never run and hide
I am a born and bred New Yorker and you bet we would stand and fight. New Yorkers are quite a tough bunch. You must never have met a New Yorker cause you would not question whether they would stand and fight. And if you are a Brooklynite, LOL, you are even tougher.
The only one who would worry about it is the one who has something to hide. sm
I could care less. I won't answer in this thread anymore.
Run and hide from this can of worms
You think you can dismiss W administration boondoggle on this by pointing a finger at 2 people? Cooked books do not even qualify as the tip of the iceberg on this issue. I will not be going to chat rooms and biased resources to analyze this one. It is HUGE and frightening in terms of just how close the country is to total economic collapse. Whether you realize it or not, this crisis has global consequences in overseas markets. We will not be the only ones mopping up and ultimately a global solution will need to come into play.
In any case, this subject deserves more than just a casual flippant dismissal, is quite complicated and requires objective and in-depth analysis before concluding who is responsible and, more importantly, what can be done in terms of policy and legislation to prevent it from happening in the future. Most definitively, of paramount importance will be the "R" word that sends chills down the spine of W's flock…regulation of the mortgage/banking lending practices. W is positively allergic to that idea, and McCain's policy on that is exactly what now? At least Obama had already addressed this issue in his platform and is currently making an effort to "study" the situation further before issuing any further statement on it. I appreciate that in a leader, especially when it comes to a crisis of such magnitude.
Your Enron analogy is delusional. Enjoy while you can and just wait for the real underlying issues to reach the light of day. Like I said before, this feminist flap is a featherweight distraction from critical problems our nation is facing, but then again, I would expect nothing less from the JM/SP camp.
Probably because you hide behind your anonymous
daily moniker. You won't tell anyone what you do, who you are, or what your husband does.
The previous poster did, and I applaud her and her husband for all their hard work and dedication, and community involvement.
Sounds like someone I'd like to call a friend.
I have nothing to hide either - but don't want them listening to me - nm
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How do you know Obama has nothing to hide? sm
I get no real pleasure with my gut feelings on this man. He was a complete unknown except for his past associations which he completely denied and threw to the curb when needed. It is a fact that he has put under lock and key, important documents that reveal his character. What you have seen play out in the media, is what they want you to see.
Everyone has a past. Hopefully, Obama can rise above it and prove himself to be an honorable leader. But some of his choices show his lack of character, and only time will tell who the real man is, who will become our next president shortly.
I myself think she was trying to hide it as long as she could -
the night she was first brought out, her daughter held the other baby in front of her all the time with an old blanket draped across her front. At the time, I kept wondering, why she would do that, and now I believe she was trying to hide her stomach from view that night.
O will fold and hide
behind Michelle's ample skirt. He has neither the experience or the guts to do what is needed. We will be run into the ground under and trampled over under O.
Yep, she could not hide her bias.
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Hide and watch. Isn't that what our very own
do, hide and watch right before they pull the trigger like they did with Dr. Tiller in a church no less? When it is Obama that is their next victim that they have been **hiding and watching**, I can't wait to see the explanations for that from the hiders and watchers on this very own board.
Limberger lies and tries to hide it, LOL
Biggest bunch of bunk? Limberger stated terrible things about Sheehan, ranting and raving. Then when he is called on it, he has it disappear from his website and states he never said any of it. Yet, the proof is in the pudding. Limberger is a liar, as are quite a few of the prominent radical right wing neocons, including the warmonger chickenhawk in the WH. The proof is there, the words were spoken by the druggie. So there is no reason to get all huffy and puffy, you have nothing to defend. Thank goodness for the written word and videos. Limberger..phew, he stinks.
Party all you want. Then go hide your money from
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Oooooo...let's all hide under the bed till he's gone! (nm)
You right-wingers are some wacky folks! I can't help but laugh at some of your posts.
Yes, any money you have left, hide it!. Otherwise,
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be grateful you have money to hide
so stingy and hateful
No instead they hide behind woman and children
In their own country. Not in boats.
I wish the people reporting this on the news would not be so iggy.
This is a lie. They live in Gaza. They don't hide there.
They were democratically elected into power, defeating the Fatah party, which retains its majority in the West Bank, but Hamas has won elections there, too.
The majority of the people in Gaza live in the squalor of refugee camps under the iron fist of their hostile occupiers who imposed an apartheid police state and enforce blockades of basic supplies such as food, medicine and MONEY. This strangles their economy and starves their people. Israel was supposed to lift the blockade as part of the cease fire conditions. They have had since June to do this and by the time the cease fire expired on December 19th, they had not done so and had no intention of doing so. THAT is why the cease fire did not hold. Surprise, surprise. More lies and broken promises from Israel, only these particular lies are creating deadly and fatal conditions for the entire population in Gaza. Can you say genocide? It's a war of attrition at the hands of Israel and sanctioned by the United States.
They do not hide behind women and children. The population in Gaza supports the resistance to the blockade, since they and their children are the ones who are being slowly starved to death. That's why they elected Hamas. An occupied population which has been invaded repeatedly, blockaded, has the highest unemployment rate in the world (Gaza at 45%), has no medical supplies and is on the verge of starvation tend to arm themselves and band together against their common enemy. It's human nature to do so. This is not about anything more than simple survival for them.
Actually, I was TRYING to hide from Rush; impossible because...sm
like a very bad itchy rash, or the smell of cow manure, he is EVERYWHERE, even to ignorant dems/independents who (OH MY GOD) get all the nes channels, C-SPAN, that the special Republicans can. You know, it is ironic that Rush could be a lying, hypocritical pill-popper addict AND still be the messiah of the Republican Right. Were he a Dem or Independent, there is NO WAY that stuff would have EVER been forgotten/forgiven, no way. Just because we are not listening to the rantings of a hypocritical, press-hunting, pompous, loud, obnoxious BS'er like Rush does not mean we "don't get the real news"....on the contrary, I think it shows we do, and we can read between the lines and interpret with intelligence. JMHO, putting on my flame-retardant suit.
And that's NO JOKE! Hide and watch! Exactly what
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If it's high you flash it, if it's low you hide it.....sm
like everything else, isn't it?
You hide BEHIND race...that is your obsession with O
And, yes, admit it, you didn't have a clue about MLK, as many that repeat his words don't know, or they would rethink the Obama thing....
You do NOT know what he stood for, you just repeat stuff he has said and that is all. Do you know how he felt about dems? No, you don't.... how he detested them? no, you don't, do your homework and stop trying to twist things around...
For you and especially the loud mouth ranting earlier, race is THE issue...so why is it you don't mind spewing it out but you just can't take the truth thrown back at ya?! I suspect you should get over it as you put it...
He's real. He is who is he is and he doesn't hide behind fakery. sm
I respect him for that. Harry Truman was not polished either. Neither as Lyndon Johnson. It's just not a big deal right now.
Doesn't hide behind fakery? You are kidding, right?sm
I am surprised lightning has not struck the man for all his lying, never mind all the blood on his hands.
Yeah, trying to hide Obama's answer, which is the
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people who hide behind God for bad manners and stupidity irk me
NM
I won't hide! It's kinda hard to give
posts any merit when the writer won't come forward. I don't like getting slammed, but what the heck--guess I deserve it sometimes.
Easy way for racists to hide their truths as well
Sure seems an easy way out to say that "oh! everytime I say something about Obama people say its racism, but it's not!" What a copy out and easy way to try to hide your racism.
You actually dont hide your sins welll either.....
You continuously judge people. How about just pray for them instead. Say that your opinion differs, and you have not felt first hand what they or their families have gone through, but you will pray for them to be okay and be right themselves with God. You don't know their relationship with God, their struggles or anything else, just as we don't know yours. I will pray for you though.
I think Jesse Jackson's probem is that Obama is not trying to hide the problems - see message
He is not trying to hide the problems in the black community - like his speech about father's needing to stand up and become involved in their children's lives - not just "bear the fruit" and leave it to rot... Most black people want their problems kept quiet and they will take care of it themselves. Also if there is a problem in the black community, they want to take care of it themselves and not broadcast it for the world to become aware (like they do not already know). As long as there is not a prominent black figure calling attention to their problems, they don't have to recognize them.
It is the same with Bill Cosby. The black community does not like it that he calls attention through the media to the problems. If he were just working behind the scenes quietly, it would be okay.
Understand, I am not prejudiced against black people - very involved with black people and therefore know some of how they think - agree with some of it and disagree with some of it.
Fact is, since I'm not
etc., you wouldn't believe it - no matter how strong the evidence - so why would I supply you with more?
Fact is fact ???
The economy is growing. I don't care if it is exploding. The fact here is that more and more people are becoming more and more desperate. I think going to college is fine but what jobs are these people going to get when they get out of college. You mentioned something about trades...please, all the manufacturing jobs are gone. Small business...only a handful ever succeed. My guess is that most people wiped out of good paying jobs with benefits are supposed to go to Wal-Mart and just pretend everything is okay, and here in Florida, join the service industry. Money, the real god of our times, is what is killing a lot of people here in Florida. As an example, in my town, there are hundreds of small mobile home parks inhabited primarily by the elderly. The big money developers are coming in here, buying the parks and the people are out on the street. The owners of the park get millions of dollars and the people are usually offered a flat fee that would pay rent for about 2 years, or given 60 days to find a place to move their homes, On fixed income this, of course, cannot be done. Many of these folks lived all their lives doing the right thing, playing by all the rules. They moved to Florida, own a little bit of property and now they are expected to rent again and work again. An apartment 1 BR 1 BA that is decent would be around $1000. You do the math. Even those communities that are owned by the homeowners themselves have no say. Eminent domain comes into play and then they are really in trouble so...being elderly, forced out of your home, having Medicare screwed up beyond belief is okay because the economy is strong. I don't care about words or pie charts. I care about what I see and know to be true by looking at it with my own eyes. Just who is it benefitting from this growing economy?? Oh well, the market will straighten everything out, just wait.
Another thing is that everyone is not college material, even these days when a degree doesn't mean all that much anyway. It surely won't guarantee you a job and if you went to college after the 1970s you don't even have to be smart to get in; not that smart people are not in college, you just don't have to be anymore. You don't even have to know how to read..but that is for another day. How many middle management degreed people have lost their jobs...quite a few. Airlines, GM, drug companies, utility companies...all these places hire degreed people. That old sheepskin won't save you anymore.
You say the poor will always be with us and I believe that as well. I do not believe that it is okay to walk over the additional bodies that greed has produced and there are legion. You call it lack of motivation on the part of the poor. I call it greed.
By the way, I see that the Iraq election is mysteriously mirroring the US election, split right down the middle.
Oh, and the drilling in Alaska. Why don't they drill in Detroit and make some cars that use some other form of fuel. It just never ends.
Debacle...absolutely.
So is the fact sm
that Saddam's son-in-law said the WMDs were moved to Syria before the U.S. got involved. But that always gets overlooked. There are a lot of facts out there. Suffice it to say, people believe the set that fits their overall world view.
While I still do not buy the fact that....
the US has made "constant intrusion" in the middle east for oil (if that were the case, you would think that when it has not netted results in the 40+ years posters here say it has been happening, they could see the handwriting on the wall)...in fact, I don't believe it. The reason we started importing so much oil is that the lovely Democratic congresses so taxed the oil industry in this country that drilling became too expensive, they stopped building refineries because not only taxation but environmentalists raising all kind of cane, yada yada. Our own government has done it to us. Overtaxation is the cause of multiple problems and is the MAIN reason for outsourcing. People want the cheapest they can buy, so in order for businesses to meet that demand they have to offshore...because their own government has taxed them to death. Sad, but true.
I do agree with what you said about Obama not knowing squat about foreign affairs....you are right, he does not. And who he has advising him should scare the knickers off ALL of us.
Obama is a figurehead with big money backers and politcos behind him...a marionette with a hand up his back. When he is not giving "hope" and "change" speeches that have been written for him, when he has to think on his feet, he is not as "eloquent." That being said, it is the hand up his back and the people he surrounds himself with that concern me. THAT tells the tale.
I look at his voting record...one of the most liberal in the US...THAT is the real Barack Obama. He is trying to move to the center now as he doesn't think there are enough of the far left (like he really is) to get him elected. Like I said in the other post...beware the wolf in sheep's clothing. I don't trust him, I don't believe him. "Hope" and "change" are buzz words. Yeah, he wants to "change" things...but to what is the question.
It was me; I said, in fact, you were the one who had the...
inside track to what Obama thinks...I believe it was because you posted "Obama thinks" and went on to say what he thought... ;)
What I said in this post was common sense...if Obama is as smart as everyone says he is, he has sat on boards with Ayers and Ayers hosted a political fundraiser for him, so I can't imagine he doesn't know what Ayers is about. It is not exactly a secret...I wasn't very old when Ayers was doing his bombing but I know he still holds the same beliefs..he has said so on numerous occasions. So if little old me knows it, I cannot imagine Barack Obama does not know it. I never hinted what Obama THINKS about Ayers, what I said was that he knows Ayers and knows that Ayers still holds anarchist views and is not a bit bit sorry for what he did in the past. It should be obvious to anyone he knows what Ayers is about. Now what he personally thinks about Ayers...that is another story entirely. I don't know. Maybe the stuff Columbia University released will shed some light. Maybe it won't. We shall see.
The fact is
The teen was raised in that family, but as a human being she made her own decisions that her mother can't always control. Just because she didn't fully coincide with her mother's platform of abstinence, she is with her pro-life stance and keeping her baby, marrying the dad.
Fact is fact whether you want to believe it or not
Your hatred for one candidate blinds you to the truth of what your candidate is all about and who supports him.
Obama's plans for America WILL turn our country into a socialist country. They will take your hard earned money to support their programs. That is not a scare tactic, that is the truth and his website even supports those facts (the website lists all his programs he supports). If you think it's fair that I have to work 60 hours a week to support my family, but when Obama gets in there I'll now have to work 80 hours a week because the extra 20 hours I get paid for is going to go the the people who benefit from me working (when they don't). That is not free enterprise, that IS most definitely socialism. What part of that don't you understand. I learned that in grammar school. You make it sound so innocent "help our fellow American's in need". That is not helping them. That is stealing from people who work pretty darn hard at their jobs, but now have to work more hours so the government can steal it from us and give it to people who are not working and who will benefit from all these programs. That is redistrubution of wealth. That is socialism. I don't know if its communism, not sure what the difference between the two are, but I do know that a lot of the people who influenced Obama when he was growing up were communists. And if I want to "help my fellow American in time of need" I will donate to the charity I want to donate to and I will donate how much I want to. Right now I work from 7:30 am to 10:30 pm just to earn enough money to live (and have maybe an extra $10 left over at the end of a couple weeks. Now when Obama gets in I'm going to have to work from maybe 6am to 12 am if not more with the extra taxes I will have to pay. That is the cold hard truth and it doesn't sound too comforting to me.
The only thing rediculous about this post was asking if Jesus was a socialist, and then giving a sermon in the post (again that place is the faith board). Socialism was not around when Jesus lived. I also think if this was happening when he was alive people would give what they could to help out others, but Jesus would not go out and tell them you have to work double time now and give to those while they do nothing.
People seem to think they know what Jesus would do but they don't. They don't do enough researching to find out what this man was about. They just repeat what they've heard their church leader spout and then try and make others feel guilty if they don't give (but then again that is for another post).
I don't think the fact that I don't like
Obama's view on united healthcare, pro-choice, tax plans and foreign policy make me ignorant. I have a different idea on where I would like this country to be and that just isn't it. Just because it's not your viewpoint does not mean that it's ignorant.
I totally understand that conservatives are not going to be able to convince liberals to take their viewpoint and vice versa because they want different things! How hard is that for people to understand?
The sad fact is
it is so possible for it to get that bad here, for another civil war to break out. Only this time, we have bigger and better guns and equipment which will kill so many more. And don't forget, the whole world is watching us, and don't think for a second that these unfriendly countries wouldn't pounce on us in a second if they saw we were at war with ourselves.
We need to be able to debate about this without resorting to name calling, fighting, death threats, cheating, blowing things out of proportion, etc. I believe this election has thrown us way back in terms of racism and segregation. From BOTH sides! I live in Georgia and you would swear we were back in the 1930s. The animosity and tension that is growing is ridiculous.
I think our biggest problem is that we have two candidates that, for the most part, have followers who are 100% FOR them or people who are 100% against them. It's not like we are choosing who we think is the better of the two. We are choosing by saying we don't want the other guy. I'm just as guilty as everyone else. So therefore, whoever wins, there will be quite a few people who still don't agree with him and will watch his every move and be ready to point out the slightest mistake. So we are in for at least four years of being torn apart. THAT isn't going to fix anything!
We have to wake up. We have to stop getting so EMOTIONAL about this election. We have to remember that half of what these POLITICIANS say, no matter how "great" we think they are or are not, half of what they say they aren't going to do. And half of what they are saying they won't do, they will.
Either way, we need to all start living within our means and working together and helping each other, not expecting government to do it for us. That's just humanity, not politics.
No...it has to do with the fact
that some of the associations he has had in his lifetime condone terrorist attacks on our country and others condone racism by spouting hate messages from the pulpit. It has nothing to do with his name or his color. It has to do with who he associates with. If you want to know a true person.....look who they hang with. Birds of a feather, my friend.
But putting all sketchy associations aside, the bottom line is that there are issues that I just don't agree with Obama on. That is why I'm not voting for him. I do not condone abortion. I want to keep my guns. I do not want to raise taxes for anyone. I don't want to give welfare checks to people who are too lazy to get an education and work. I want to stop government spending. I want smaller government. There are just so many issues where Barrack Obama and I do not see eye to eye that I really don't even have to use his race or associations as a reason to not vote for him.
Fact
It is a fact that he did not vote for it because there was already legislation in place to protect the infant in this case.
More scare tactics.
It has nothing to do with the fact that
it is Obama's plan. It has everything to do with the fact that holding these prisoners indefinitely without processing them goes against everything our democracy stands for. I would applaud the Bush administration for doing the same thing and have written members of the current administration and Congress saying just that.
You POV is not a fact.
You give way too much importance to yourself. It's of no consequence to me anyway. In fact, I encourage O haters to continue on the same track they were on before the election and are still on. All that fear mongering, prognostications of gloom and doom, Armageddon, those witch hunts, smears and scandal vigils will do nothing more than insure O's re-election in 2012. Keep up the good work, dear.
Given the fact............ sm
that the magazine would have to procure his permission to print that photo, I would say that his permission alone verifies the fact that he is pleased with his rock-star image and America's infatuation with him.
And what you won't see anywhere is the fact....
...that there will an astronomical amount of interest piled on all this play money he keeps printing while saying out of the opposite side of his mouth that everything will be okay if consumers start spending again? I'd be happy if they would just give me back the near 2 million $ that I paid into S.S. that I probably won't ever see! But bless those illegals - they get it without a question or a hitch! This situation is not even going to get better this year - don't care WHICH station you listen to. People aren't working, gas is going back up (I guess to punish those of us who are still working????) and groceries are getting utterly ridiculous. "Share the wealth," he said? Methinks he really meant, "You are all gonna be poor except us govt officials who are gonna take every dime you have now and ever hope to have in the future".....of course, smiling that what was characterized as a "charismatic" smile? Yeah, I remember that smile - from a friend of mine who then proceeded to stab me squarely in the back - looked about the same to me.
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