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Hopefully data will show this time......

Posted By: sm on 2009-02-23
In Reply to: It isn't like it used to be.............. - sm

 















































































































































































































































































































State Aug. 1996 families Dec. 2005 families Pct. change State Aug. 1996 families Dec. 2005 families Pct. change State Aug. 1996 families Dec. 2005 families Pct. change
Ala. 41,032 20,316 -50.5% La. 67,467 13,888 -79.4% Ore. 29,917 20,194 -32.5%
Alaska 12,159 3,590 -70.5% Maine 20,007 9,516 -52.4% Pa. 186,342 97,469 -47.7%
Ariz. 62,404 41,943 -32.8% Md. 70,665 22,530 -68.1% Puerto Rico 49,871 14,562 -70.8%
Ark. 22,069 8,283 -62.5% Mass. 84,700 47,950 -43.4% R.I. 20,670 10,063 -51.3%
Calif. 880,378 453,819 -48.5% Mich. 169,997 81,882 -51.8% S.C. 44,060 16,234 -63.2%
Colo. 34,486 15,303 -55.6% Minn. 57,741 27,589 -52.2% S.D. 5,829 2,876 -50.7%
Conn. 57,326 18,685 -67.4% Miss. 46,428 14,636 -68.5% Tenn. 97,187 69,361 -28.6%
Del. 10,585 5,744 -45.7% Mo. 80,123 39,715 -50.4% Texas 243,504 77,693 -68.1%
D.C. 25,350 16,209 -36.1% Mont. 10,114 3,947 -61.0% Utah 14,221 8,151 -42.7%
Fla. 200,922 57,361 -71.5% Neb. 14,435 10,016 -30.6% Vt. 8,765 4,479 -48.9%
Ga. 123,329 35,621 -71.1% Nev. 13,712 5,691 -58.5% Virgin Islands 1,371 421 -69.3%
Guam 2,243 3,072 37.0% N.H. 9,100 6,150 -32.4% Va. 61,905 9,615 -84.5%
Hawaii 21,894 7,243 -66.9% N.J. 101,704 42,198 -58.5% Wash. 97,492 55,910 -42.7%
Idaho 8,607 1,870 -78.3% N.M. 33,353 17,773 -46.7% W.Va. 37,044 11,275 -69.6%
Ill. 220,297 38,129 -82.7% N.Y. 418,338 139,220 -66.7% Wis. 51,924 17,970 -65.4%
Ind. 51,437 48,213 -6.3% N.C. 110,060 31,746 -71.2% Wyo. 4,312 294 -93.2%
Iowa 31,579 17,215 -45.5% N.D. 4,773 2,789 -41.6% U.S. total 4,408,508 1,870,039 -57.6%
Kan. 23,790 17,400 -26.9% Ohio 204,240 81,425 -60.1%        
Ky. 71,264 33,691 -52.7% Okla. 35,986 11,104 -69.1%        

Source: Department of Health and Human Services






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Your buddy Rush. I think I've watched his show 1 time.

Yeah, I watch the Factor and Hannity and Coombs most days.  I like to see all sides of a story. 


But on to Rush who I don't give a raiting point and if this is the kind of babbling he does he would lose me everytime...


"You (liberals I assume he's talking about) are offended by all that, claiming they don't have the right to make such decisions, while you sit around and make no decisions whatsoever because you're willing to totally put your life in the hands of some liberal politician and that will take you off the hook for having to make any decision about your life or anybody else's...."


How does he know that?  He's making a big ASSumption.  Just another right wing nut trying to convince himself and anyone else who will listen that the left has no values and that you "the people" have all of the values, are the only ones who are God fearing, raise your families and care about America.  People like Rush do America a big DISservice, with this kind of garble being the #1 rated radio station there will never be any kind of unity among Americans. 


"You hope we lose it. You want to lose it because you want to embarrass the leaders of the country. What must your lives be like?"


I have never met or talked to a person who said they hope we lose the war.  This is nonsense.  What I think most opposers of the war believe is WE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE, but that we have to at least stabilize the Iraq and start an aggressive pullout plan.  Iraqis have been freed of the terrible regime of Sadaam Hussein and once their country is stabilized, we have no reason to be there, you know seeing as if there are no WMDs there.  Iraqi National Security is their responsibility not ours.  We need to get our focus on American National Security.


Okay....so it was "poll" data... (nm)
funny how Congress always gets left out of the "sick of" when Democrats and Republicans both voted for "this war." Only "this administration" gets the blame. I really love that. I don't agree with everything Bush has said or done, and he is certainly not what I would call a true conservative...but he alone is not responsible for the war. Congress is ultimately responsible...BOTH sides of Congress. But you never seem to hear that or see that.
Taking a look at the data proves your points...sm
From 2000 - 2004, America has seen a significant increase in poverty each year.

I agree with sm that people must have personal responsibility and not sit around waiting on a check when they are able bodied and can work. These are not the poor that I'm concerned with. I speak of the poor single mother or father who works 2 jobs, the poor mother and father who both work and still can't make ends meet. Heck, you can still just be getting by with a college education in today's economy. Look at inflation. In just ONE year gas prices have doubled. And look at the housing market. Prices of other necesities are also rising and the mean income is still 40,000.

I agree with Zauber, everyone can't be on the top, some people have to settle for lower paying jobs due to life circumstances. But if the big business had it their way, they would still be paying 4.25 an hour. They griped about going to 5.15 an hour.

Do you think this administration will even attempt to increase min. wage? They think and obviously believe Rush Limmy when he says, only teenagers who are working for extra money to buy Ipods are working min. wage jobs. They are out of touch.

Not having a good father in the household is one of the root cause issues that needs to be addressed, but I wouldn't be so quick to put this as the main or only cause of poverty. There's no one answer to the problem, but I do hold our local, state, and federal government responsible to do their part - make sure employers pay a fair wage and have fair labor practices, control inflation, and education.
The hype doctor's experiment and its data
Personally, if I had electrodes hooked up to me, I am sure if I were forced to listen to the Obama hype, I would sent my lines so low they would fall off the scale...in disgust for the content of the slur and the attempt to run a campaign that centers around drumming up hatred for a presidential candidate....no, let me amend that statement...our next President.
Bush's Own Panel Backs Data on Global Warming

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-sci-warming23jun23,1,200411.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage&track=crosspromo


U.S. Panel Backs Data on Global Warming


Growing Washington acceptance of climate change is seen in the top science body's finding.

By Thomas H. Maugh II and Karen Kaplan
Times Staff Writers

June 23, 2006

After a comprehensive review of climate change data, the nation's preeminent scientific body found that average temperatures on Earth had risen by about 1 degree over the last century, a development that is unprecedented for the last 400 years and potentially the last several millennia.

The report from the National Research Council also concluded that human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming.

Coupled with a report last month from the Bush administration's Climate Change Science Program that found clear evidence of human influences on the climate system, the new study from the council, part of the National Academy of Sciences, signals a growing acceptance in Washington of widely held scientific views on the causes of global warming.

The council's review focused on the controversial hockey stick graph, which shows Earth's temperature remaining stable for 900 years then suddenly arching upward in the last century. The curve resembles a hockey stick laid on its side.

The panel dismissed critics' charges that fraud and statistical error were responsible for the graph's sharp upward swing, noting that many studies had confirmed its essential conclusions in the eight years since it was first published in the journal Nature.

There is nothing in this report that should raise any doubts about the broad scientific consensus on global climate change … or any doubts about whether any paper on the temperature records was legitimate scientific work, said House Science Committee Chairman Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.), who requested the study in November.

The finding was a rebuke to global warming skeptics and some conservative politicians who have attacked the hockey stick as the work of overzealous scientists determined to shame the government into imposing environmental regulations on big business.

Geophysicist Michael E. Mann of Pennsylvania State University, lead author of the study that debuted the graph, said it was time to put this sometimes silly debate behind us and move forward, to do what we need to do to decrease the remaining uncertainties.

Though scientists have cited various factors as evidence of global warming — including the melting of polar ice caps and measurements of atmospheric carbon dioxide — the hockey stick encapsulated the issue in an instantly recognizable way.

It's a pretty profound, easy-to-understand graph, said Roger A. Pielke Jr., director of the University of Colorado's Center for Science and Technology Policy Research. Visually, it's very compelling.

The chart drew little attention until it was highlighted in a 2001 report by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

After that, the hockey stick was everywhere, Pielke said.

It also became an easy target.

If you are someone who's interested in critiquing climate science, he said, the hockey stick would be a lightning rod.

One prominent attack came from the House Energy and Commerce Committee chairman, Rep. Joe L. Barton (R-Texas), who last year launched an investigation of Mann and his colleagues. Barton demanded information about their data and funding sources — an effort widely viewed as an attempt to intimidate the scientists.

Barton's committee has launched an inquiry into the statistical validity of the hockey stick. Larry Neal, the committee's deputy staff director, criticized the National Research Council panel Thursday for having only one statistician among its 12 members.

The crux of the dispute is that thermometers have been used for only 150 years. To determine temperatures before that, scientists rely on indirect measurements, or proxies, such as tree ring data, cores from boreholes in ice, glacier movements, cave deposits, lake sediments, diaries and paintings.

Mann and his collaborators tried to integrate data from many such sources to produce climate records for the last 1,000 years. Their report was filled with caveats and warnings about the uncertainties of their conclusions — caveats that were overlooked as the research achieved more celebrity.

The panel affirmed that proxy measurements made over the last 150 years correlated well with actual measurements during that period, lending credence to the proxy data for earlier times.

It concluded that, with a high level of confidence, global temperatures during the last century were higher than at any time since 1600.

Although the report did not place numerical values on that confidence level, committee member and statistician Peter Bloomfield of North Carolina State University said the panel was about 95% sure of the conclusion.

The committee supported Mann's other conclusions, but said they were not as definitive. For example, the report said the panel was less confident that the 20th century was the warmest century since 1000, largely because of the scarcity of data from before 1600.

Bloomfield said the committee was about 67% confident of the validity of that finding — the same degree of confidence Mann and his colleagues had placed in their initial report.

Panel members said Mann's conclusion that the 1990s were the warmest decade since 1000 and that 1998 was the warmest year had the least data to support it.

The use of proxies, they said, does not readily allow conclusions based on such narrow time intervals.

The report said that establishing average temperatures before 1000 was difficult because of the lack of data, but said the trend appeared to indicate that stable temperatures could extend back several thousand years.


This site says "according to current polling data" ...I'll say again....
the polls are stacked to the dem side, as that is mostly who they poll.

Wait till the actual, real, election, to see who wins.


I don't believe or trust in these one-sided polls....
You don't back up your hearsay/story overheard with any link or data.
Anyone accepting it at face value with no way to back it up would be a fool.
Just goes to show the j@ckas@es/crooks running the show!
nm
Beck says - almost every show - that he is NOT doing a news show.
He does an opinion show - meaning HIS opinion. As such, he's entitled to stick pins in little Obama dolls for all I care.

I can hear Chris Wallace laughing at you folks from here because it's pretty obvious whoever wrote that knows zip about Beck, or Wallace for that matter. In fact, I can't think what Wallace has to do with Beck anyway. Everyone of INTELLIGENCE who watches Beck and Wallace is perfectly aware that one does one type of show and the other does another.

But what do you expect from one of George Soros' puppet sites like Media Matters and Move Bowels.org?

You really should delete your Favorites list and start over.
Saw the show. It was a guest on the show....
not a commentator. Why don't you post the link to the clip so everyone can decide?
Show me who your friends are and I’ll show you who you are.’
This subject is not old, and is very, very relevant.



Obama's friends/associates (supposedly former friends and associates, only since this campaign):

Ayers

Wright

Dorhn

Michelle

Khalidi


The company he keeps:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=



I find it very, very troubling, that this man has no visible friends, other than the ones above (not Michelle, although she has been kept under lock and key out of public sight for some time now, so as to keep her from embarrassing herself again).



Does this man not have any other friends/associates, other than the ones above?
Yep, but it was straight time. No time and a half
DHL is GERMAN OWNED.  And, company was located on Snotsdale, I mean Scottsdale, AZ which means.  Labor laws in Arizona suck.  Right to work state.  Basically a company can do whatever they want to do with you and if you do not like it, then quit and find another job.
I know most of it's for show
But how does she get on TV saying things like she did about Jewish people? How does she sleep at night after saying something like that? She just gets more and more outrageous just to get a reaction - and yeah sometimes it works because what she says is hateful. I have no problem with anyone giving their views, but she's hateful about it and that is what I have a problem with (and no, as I've said before I don't condone hateful things on either board)
goes to show

even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


 


Just goes to show you that you need to ...sm
have an inquiring mind and not take as gospel what is spoon fed to you by either party. I particularly like the "fact checks" on both party's candidates. The perception is that we American voters are fools and will believe anything we are told.
Show me a pic
I can't find a pic with a lump on his jaw.
show me
show me refusal to acknowedge - I haven't seen it.
Goes to show you - sm
McCain is concerned about the people. Obama is concerned about himself.

McCain was absolutely right on the spot when he said there needs to be an investigation, just as there was when 9-11 happened, we need one now for this crisis.

One more plus to show McCain is interested and will work for us, while Obama....well Obama is for Obama.
Once again....goes to show

how people who get their tail feathers all ruffled after someone personally attacks an Obama supporter on the board, but they have no problem calling McCain supporters names and personally attacking them by stating they lack intelligence.


Look in the mirror....your hypocracy is showing.


Don't believe it. Show me. nm
.
You show me anywhere where he said...
95% of American workers WHO PAY TAXES. SHOW me where it says that. But, supposing that is what he means...there are still that 30-40%. Those people pay taxes. Then they get deductions and credits. They get back every dime they paid in and THEN some. They are part of that 95% who "pay taxes." Got it? And about 30-40% of the working public fall into that category. so it is back to square one. Yes, they "pay taxes." Taxes are deducted. Then they file. They get the deductions and the credits and whatever (I am talking about NOW). They get back every dime they paid in. These people technically "pay taxes." If you work one day a year and have deductions, you "pay taxes" and will be included.

I understand that you don't see it. I understand that you are filling in the blanks that he left open. I don't see it the way you see it. He is counting on people seeing it the way you see it. So be it.

YOu can yell BOGUS until you are blue in the face. I will yell NAIVE just as loud.



"He is assuming it is understood." Well, he is hoping that everyone will understand it the way YOU understand it. I am not so enamored of him that I cannot read between the lines. And frankly, as BOGUS as my line of thinking appears to me, YOURS is naive at best. So we will agree to disagree. If he went on television and told you tomorrow that he was going to cut checks to people who don't pay taxes because it is the right thing to do, you would be on this board defending the decision tomorrow night.






You show me where he says it is not.
You assume it is not. I assume that it will be. Based on everything his history is, based on everything he has said, including starting at the BOTTOM. Just where do you think Mr Obama perceives the bottom to be? What is your assumption on that?
Please show me where....(sm)
Obama has said that he will "give to those who would not [work]."  And by the way, does that include Social Security? 
OK show me
Where does it say the Secret Service blames McCain/Palin?

There were people who spoke about potential threats to Obama before he even became the Democratic candidate. To act now like it's all because of McCain and Palin stirring them up is ludicrous.

Bigotry is out there. Or do you honestly believe no one would have noticed that Obama is an African-American?



I don't like her either, but she has every right to be on the show
I don't like Ann Coulter at all. I think she's obnoxious and arrogant. But then again I don't like the View. I think it's filled with old "has been" housewives and mothers who just sit and gab and give their opinion and put down anyone who doesn't agree with them (i.e. anyone who is not a liberal). I watched the View a couple times and there was nothing interesting or entertaining about it. If they don't like a guest they won't even look at them (Joy Bear (or however you spell her last name) is such a pig! - I can explain and prove that in another post if anyone is interested). Anyway...for anyone to come out and say there is no reason to have someone (no matter who it is) on their show is a bit Nazi-ism. Who are you to say who they should have on and who they shouldn't. Her opinion of Barbara Walters is just that, her opinion. I didn't see the show, but when she said that I'm sure she was jumped on by the others. None of them can stand any person who is not a liberal and they try (and I use the word loosely), try to ridicule them. Luckily it doesn't work. From my understanding of what I've read on this board and elsewhere is that Ann Coulter says things to inflame others. She says things for what they call "shock value". I'm sure Barbara Walters is a big girl (I like Barbara Walters - just can't stand the others on the show), but Barbara is a big girl and can stand up for herself. She's smart and a quick thinker so I'm sure she had an intelligent comeback. But as for Ann Coulter saying things, that's just the way she is and they all know that and knew well before hand that she would most likely do that. Besides they do have a script they follow to some degree with questions prepared ahead of time and what they say and how they plan to cut down a non-liberal.

But for you to come out and say there is no reason to have such a person featured on TV? That is a bit too Nazi-ism for me. Everybody deserves to go on whatever show they want to. Her views have no value? According to you and other liberals they may not, but there are others who like her and would like to hear her interviewed. And certainly the View wanted her on the show otherwise she would have not been there.

I'm just glad your not in charge of who is allowed to go on what shows, or what books we can read (burn all those you don't agree with) - sound familiar?
Just goes to show ya
Fringers can't recognize a clean election when they see one and don't have a clue what the word "mandate" means. Uninformed? You seem to have cornered the market on that one.
same old show

Don't fret.


We get the same old show no matter what party is in office. It is a continual ball game with Republocrats versus the Democans. It keeps the American sheeple amused, cheering and fighting for its favorite team while the big boys play games with the global elite, keeping the spectators slaves to their greedy ideas. Been watching this show too long.......


But it would at least show that he

was attempting to keep his promise whether he was overrun by congress or not.  If that is the case, then let congress take the fall for it and we can vote those fools out as soon as we can.  But for him to just go along with it after he made promises to us.  The only reason Obama turned his back and broke his promises to the American people is so that he kept the support of the dems in congress. 


For once, I want a president who will stand up to his party and the other party and say....you know what....I promised the American people and they come first because WE work for them.  Instead we continue to get liar after liar in office with a government system that is more interested in how much money they can spend with our tax dollars. 


All this does is show him, as you said...for what he is.
a corrupt power-hungry politician, just like the rest of them. "Yes we can.." uh, no, "Yes I can." And he certainly is...lol, priceless. As they have sown....so shall they reap. Problem is, we are going to have to reap right along with them. Thank all of you who so ill-advisedly cast your vote for this charlatan...(tongue firmly in cheek). Next thing you know he will be asking us all to work for nothing like British Airways did...LOL.
The show and Powell

I thought the show was wonderful and illustrated very clearly how bits and pieces of intelligence were selected and manipulated and turned into something they weren't.  (They referred to it as a "Chinese menu" that the administration used to pick and choose from.)


I taped this show and watched it a couple times.  As far as Powell is concerned, it did show how Powell's relationship with George Tenet began to disintegrate.


It further showed how Tenet was, at Bush's father's urging, kept as CIA director when Dubya took office, and all the events leading to his resignation.  He was one of Dubya's sacrifical lambs.  I guess Bush thought giving him the Medal of Freedom made up for that.


Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Powell's chief of staff, said that Powell told him, "I wonder how we'll all feel if we put half a million troops into Iraq and march from one corner of the country to the other and find nothing."


Powell said, "I will forever be known as the one who made the case. I have to live with that."  (That made me feel really bad for Powell, who I have always trusted and considered to be an honest, ethical man.  His association with Bush really dragged him down, and his statement about having to live with that just tells me that he's still an honest, ethical man, the kind of man who had a spectacular military career, actually had the guts to go fight in wars himself, someone who truly IS Presidential material, someone who doesn't belong in an underhanded, lying, foolish administration like Bush's.)


The show also pointed out how if you are someone who works for this president and you discover something not right or in alignment with his "plans," if you tell him, you'd better be prepared to resign or be fired. 


This show clearly illustrated how Bush wanted to go to war with Iraq, and all he needed was a reason, even if he had to invent a fictional one.


Again, I thought it was an excellent show, and if you ever have the opportunity to watch it or obtain a transcript of it, I would highly recommend it.


Where did gt do that? Show me please because I can't find it.


It's COMEDY show
and the last I watched he was an equal opportunity offender....
I saw a show on TLC about this family...
To each his own, especially if you're footing the bill yourself, but this family is just uplain creepy.  The children are all homeschool and virtually isolated from any other children other than another family or two who share the same nutty religious convictions.  They even have their OWN church at home.  The girls all wear these horrid sad-sack Little House on the Prairie identical plaid potato sack dresses that look like they were made from discarded curtains and when asked their only aspirations are to have lots of children and to be a mother.  The boys also dress identically in little Leave it to Beaver short-sleeved dress shirts.  It's called Full Quiver parenting, as in having as many kids as you get before you get to menopause or your uterus falls out, whichever comes first.  I find the whole thing rather odd, but who am I to judge I suppose.
Again, please show me where I was disrespectful. Thank you.
Who is they?
Bush should take in a show
So funny, well neocons (cause I KNOW you are reading our board, just cant help yourselves), all I meant by **you got that right Abe** was that Bush should take in a show, oh my gosh, his job is so stressful he would really enjoy taking in a play..LOLOLOLOL..if you  thought otherwise, then you are the  **terrorist** in my opinion because you  are thinking that someone wants to destroy our dear elected president..I have never wished that, thought that or advocated that..
It doesnt show up..nm

Just trying to show how silly all of this is.
Why not think of ways to make the world better on your own instead of cooking up stuff.  That's all I am saying.
For those who show no remorse, SM
They should never see the light of day again. Never.
Sometimes posts show..
up in between posts; how many times have we said, **that was supposed to go under blah blah blah.** I know you didn't post the chickenhawk piece but I am still interested in what any of your definitions of winning **the war** are. When we will know we have won? How will we know we have won?
Show our support

A friend sent this to me........ but like she said, please don't do this!  It's just all in good fun....


Show Your Support 


 

    There are less than eight months until the election, an election that will decide the next President of the United States. The person elected will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans. To show our solidarity as Americans, let's all get together and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice.










It's time that we all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike.



 


If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive with your headlights on during the day.
 If you support Obama or Hillary, please drive with your headlights off at night.














 


did you even SEE the Daily Show?
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Too afraid to show up at RNC.
nm
Actually, I show 50 to 46, which is good,
nm
Can you believe how long this show has...sm
been on and always with high ratings? Almost 40 years? It tells us that we need to be not so serious and laugh at ourselves and take a break from being so serious all the time. My favorites are still the originals but haven't watche it much the last few years,
Link did not show....here it is again...
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/outsourcing-outrageous-obamas-rhetoric-versus/story.aspx?guid=%7B96669C6B-1325-4F21-B44D-8CD419127655%7D
Show our support
Show your support.  The person elected will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans.  So: To show our solidarity as Americans, let's all get together and show our support for the candidate of our choice.  It's time that we 
all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike and let our candidates know we are behind them. 

 So, until the election, if you support the policies and character of Barack Obama,  please drive with your headlights on during the day.   If you support  John McCain, please drive with your headlights off at 
night.  

 

Thank you for your participation in this  patriotic endeavor!  Let's let our candidates know we are behind them.

You ashamed to show us your name?
I guess I would be too if I were you. You talk about rants! Shucks, guess I am just being obnoxious again.
Show me something...anything...that confirms HC and Ms O
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Believe it or not, the Today show
spent some time on this issue this morning. I was surprised since it's supposed to be buried. They cited all the lawsuits from the different states. But, since I was a bit shocked, my ears went dead and I didn't hear the rest of the story.
No. Show me where he has said the tax CREDIT will
Becuase if it is not a refundable credit (like he earned income credit is) then it can only apply toward tax LIABILITY...meaning you cannot get it unless you owe tax. This is not the same thing as a tax cut. A tax CREDIT has more value than a tax cut, because it is paid directly against owed tax liability.

With regard to the tax CUT, this is simply a TAX RATE DECREASE. He is not proposing to send every man, woman and child $500 or $1000. In fact, the language clearly states "up to" $500 for an individual worker and "up to" $1000 for working couples. This is a top cap limiting the benefit on can receive from the adjusted tax rate.

An economic stimulus is a SEPARATE ISSUE...as I have pointed out below and as SAM herself has referred to. It is a one-time issuance of monies that will be paid to 95% of workers. The stimulus would be structured very similar to the one we have already received under Bush.

Now here this. The ONLY WAY that a person who has no tax liability could receive any benefit would be if the tax CREDIT (not tax cut) is a refundable credit. THAT is the language I am looking for. Where does it say that the tax credit is a refundable credit?
Show me the moolah!
Yes, I worked hard (full time) last year and made a measly (rounded off) $10,000!!! Pass the plate to me! :)