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If Palin pursues prez bid in 2012, lies matter.

Posted By: ..... on 2008-12-19
In Reply to: And this impacts your life how????? - nm

All of them. Vigilent watch on Obama is the order of the day and pervades dialog on this forum. Doesn't hurt to start the SP watch now, document it well and be prepared.


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None of this will matter after December 2012 anyway.

In 2012 none of our votes will matter, if anyone
The signs will be obvious and the end will be eminent. You should worry less about politics and more about your soul, as should we all.
Palin for Prez, Hasselbeck for VP and Coulter for SOS appt
The triple-play dream ticket for 2012, guaratnteed to incinerate the GOP for at least four score and 7 years.
If lies didn't matte for the O, why should they matter for anyone else
Oh I have no doubt that people will trash her no matter what.

But first off she did not lie about her daughter marrying (they plan to marry next summer). But you think it's okay for the O or any other democrat to lie.
Sarah Palin's 12 lies from Andrew Sullivan

So for the record, let it be known that the candidate for vice-president for the GOP is a compulsive, repetitive, demostrable liar.


1.  She has lied about the Bridge to Nowhere.


2. She has lied about the firing of the town librarian and police chief of Wasilla.


3. She has lied about pressure on Alaska's public safety commissioner to fire her ex-brother-in-law.


4. She has lied about her previous statements on climate change.


5. She has lied about Alaska's contribution to America's oil and gas production.


6.She has lied about when she asked her daughters' permission for her to run for VP.


7. She has lied about the actual progress in constructing a natural gas pipeline from Alaska.


8.  She has lied about Obama's position on habeus corpus.


9. She has lied about her alleged tolerance of homosexuality.


10. She has lied about use or non-use of a teleprompter at the convention.


11. She has lied about her alleged pay-cut as mayor of Wasilla.


12. She has lied about what Alaska's scientists concluded about the health of the polar bear population in Alaska.


You cannot trust her word on anything!


no matter how you feel about her... How beautiful is the Palin family!

Just saw them all at the RNC sitting there, so beautiful!  Not sure about Cindy McCain's outfit, but she's also soooo classy, did anyone notice how she sat next to the middle daughter who was holding the baby and Cindy was stroking the baby's head and watching him soooo sweetly.


Real people, I love it :)


PS this isn't meant to be a political post, so hopefully nobody gets distressed... it was just an American Family I was saying was nice looking and it's nice to see in all the crap going around you know...


It wasn't a matter of refusing to go on, PALIN ASKED THEM IF SHE COULD GO ON and sm
she made a mistake AGAIN by doing so.... this campaign has been over for a while and now she has to be embarrassed in front of the world once more by going on SNL.

Here's what I would like to see by 2012

1.  Get rid of the electoral college.  It's obsolete and completely out of touch with its constituents now.  It was necessary when it was instituted - the country was young with a large portion of its population being illiterate, without the technology for communication we have today, etc. 


2.  No more presidential candidates/elections.   Let's put all the issues on a nation-wide ballot and vote. Decide what we, as a nation, want to do about all of the national issues.


3.  Once we have our voted decisions on the national issues, hire a President to carry out what the nation has decided to do.  Provide the criteria to be realized for a successful employment scenario and what would constitute failure in the role.  Maintain the right to terminate for failure.  Bonus for success.  No bonus, no severance pay for failure.  Charges for corruption.


I'm done. 


 


Not really shocking....she wants to run again in 2012.
No one knows how they are going to vote. No one knows what they are saying behind closed doors, although they give Obama lukewarm support to the public. I would not be surprised if they vote for McCain. Would not surprise me at all. Would not surprise me if they are, in unseen ways, subverting Obama's cammpaign.

And then again, maybe Bill is being honest and really feels that way. It is true, McCain has always acknowledged global warming and climate change, much to the dismay of many of his colleagues, and he does have a better record on it than Obama does. McCain has never toed the party line, and that is one of the things I like most about him.
I'm with you! Arnold 2012!!! (nm)
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Schwarzenegger 2012!!!
LOL!!!
We WILL have an election in 2012 - that is what most go by
The audacity to automatically assume Obama will serve until 2017 is what is going to get you in trouble.

Since you don't understand the simple concept let me explain it for you. Please read slowly so you can grasp reality.

Since America has had it's first president we have had elections every four years. Therefore, seeing as we have just had an election in 2008 and Obama takes office in 2009, our next election will be in 2012.

Your antics and rhetoric of just assuming that Obama will be in there for a second term I would say is a bit premature. Let's let him at least get sworn in and see what kind of a job he does as president. A lot can happen in four years. If he survives then in four years he can think of running again. If Bill Clinton had done half the stuff he did in his second term when he was in his first term he might have not had a second term. We don't know yet if Obama will be keeping his campaign promises or what kind of President he will be.

Here's some reality for you. Obama may turn out to be an absolutely fantastic president. We can all hope for that. So...he could turn out to be a good president and then again he may not be a good president. We won't know until after he has served in the role. Also, you are assuming that because GW was not a good president that every single other living republican would not be a good president and that is just not true. If you believe that then you have a very distorted viewpoint of politics. There are some very good republicans and there are some very good democrats. Just like there are some very bad republicans and there are some very bad democrats. Obama is too new and we don't know what category he falls into yet.

The truth of the matter is that we WILL have another election in four years. Which means the republican party has got four years to really get it together and pick someone that is decent to run against whoever the next democratic nominee will be, whether it is Obama or if he doesn't last whoever else they are going to put in there.

Also we have the congress/senate/house to think of - you know all those people who vote on issues and who have gotten our country in the trouble it is in now (I'm not blaming either side alone - there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides). No, sorry to burst your bubble but GW didn't crap on this country all by his little ol self. The people in the senate who vote on issues did that. So...if for the next four years we see a continuation of the decline of our country, America will probably say, enough with the democrats, we need to bring back a republican president. Not very many people are keen on the idea that every single thing is now being run by one political side. We do need a balance to our government.

One other factor to think about is all the people that Obama is appointing to his cabinet. I'm seeing on this board by a lot of posts that there are a lot of people who, while they are enthusiastic and excited that Obama was elected, they are way not excited that he keeps bringing the old Clinton people back and people who have no experience. Those were the same people who made a mess of things back then and now he's bringing them back in. What he owes them I have no idea but for him to campaign that he is the ONLY candidate who can unite the two parties and he will hire both sides to evenly balance things, that is the first campaign promise he has broken.

Lastly, without any doubt there are some scandals looming about. These are not fabrications. It's just the truth. People he was involved with and are still involved with. Who he owes favors to, the BC thing (whether or not it will get resolved is another story). There is just too much to be ignored. I do understand the loathing that people have for Bush and they would have rather elected a dog rather than another republican, therefore most were saying, so what and tried to bebunk a lot of the issues, however, the issues are real and will not be going away. Not saying that GW doesn't have his share of issues, but I'm not writing a post about GW. Anyway...with the issues that Obama has, one just doesn't know what the next four years will bring for us.

So, taking all that in account, a better approach would be to just say you hope Obama is a good president (as we all do because we want to see our country succeed) and in four years if he turns out to be good then he will be up for re-election. However to just say that its a fact that he will be in for 8 years is a bit arrogant (and nauseating).
Of course there will be an election in 2012
and with the GOP ensconced in this kind of denial and its party still in shambles, the results are a foregone conclusion. Thus, the 2929 count continues. The OP is the only prescription the GOP has to even hope to have a noticeable presence in 2012.
2012 candidate
A possible candidate. I hope so.

http://draftsanford2012.com/



and the bickering goes on and on and on, until when? Till 2012?
Good night !
I seriously hope she's not campaigning for 2012.
I think that would be a huge mistake on her part. I think she over-estimates her popularity.


Sorry - "...will be running for office in 2012". SM
We must throw the current residents of Washington out of office, including this loony-left total disaster of a President, his cronies, and also the folks on the other side of the aisle who have become entrenched in power and have been no better in representing the middle-of-the-road Americans who by far constitute the majority in this country.

Let's CLEAN HOUSE!
I'm becoming more hopeful by the day. By 2012, the chickens
...a lot of voters will have lost their enchantment with the "idea" of voting for a President on the basis of his race or his superficial, glib mannerisms. In fact, if the Democrats themselves continue on the path they're starting to follow, I'm not entirely sure he'll be renominated!

The press can't change any of this, either. About 80% of the American population doesn't even watch the evening news on any of the so-called "main" networks.
American undeveloped nation by 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqW1-aA5aMg
Did he decide to cancel the 2012 election? (nm)
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With the vast wasteland that is the GOP 2012 field of contenders
don't expect her to come out from under the microscope anytime soon. Nailin Palin will become a national passtime at least until then. It is helpful to document anything and everything along the way so that patterns of behavior and subsequent analysis can be backed up with concrete data, not smear, innuendo and baseless accusations. Pretty much, that's how elections are won, or lost, depending on where you're coming from.
I'm really a lesbian but you can't be prez if you are out
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plus the prez can do very few things alone
"taking over." This isn't a communist society, remember?
If I was Prez or first lady...sm

The way I look at it, the Obamas will have more help taking care of the dog (they can be a lot of work!)  and also, IMHO, the girls are old enough now to have one and learn responsibility. 


Off topic, but if I were in White House, I would follow in Calvin Coolidge's footsteps:  He had 6 dogs, a bobcat, a goose, a donkey, a cat, 2 lion cubs, an antelope, a wallaby and a pygmy hippopotamus.


Unfortunately we do only have one prez at a time

and what we have is a lame duck.  I don't know what will happen with Obama but Bush has left him a huge moutain of problems to deal with.  I expect Bush will replace Herbert Hoover in history as the worst president in history.  Of course the republicans will try to blame his 8 years in office on the previous 8 years and the next 8 years.  Sad thing is, some people will believe it, but not many I guess with his approval ratings.


Every time a Pub becomes prez
since Eisenhower the economy goes to H@** (although it's not a bad word), then the dems get in the WH and clean things up and blamed for the bad economy....a fact.  Clinton years were the best our family has ever had since I can remember.  Just a plain fact.  Better now after 8 years of Bush?  Give me a break.....Won't drink that Kool-Aid you're drinking.
No confidence in a prez who will not
take responsibility....that's why pubs lost.
more evidence that the prez

really does need that teleprompter to get it right . . . What's this I hear about him being such a great orator?  Sorry, but I think not.   


Obama apologizes for gaffe on Special Olympics


WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama has apologized for a gaffe in which he described his bowling skills as akin to participants in the Special Olympics, a sports program for people with intellectual disabilities.




Obama made the mistake during an interview on Thursday night on "The Tonight Show" with host Jay Leno, the first time a sitting U.S. president had been on the show.


Talking about living in the White House, Obama said he had been practicing his bowling in the home's bowling alley and had scored a 129 out of a possible 300.


It was an improvement on the embarrassing 37 he had rolled during a stop on the presidential campaign trail a year ago.


"It's like -- it was like Special Olympics or something," Obama said.


The Special Olympics is a global nonprofit organization serving some 200 million people with intellectual disabilities, with a presence in nearly 200 countries worldwide. They compete in sporting events like the real Olympics.


Soon after the Jay Leno interview, Obama telephoned Special Olympics chairman Tim Shriver to apologize.


Shriver told ABC's "Good Morning America" television show that Obama had apologized "in a way that I think was very moving" and that he said "he did not intend to humiliate the population, didn't want to embarrass or give anybody any more reason for pain or kind of suffering."


Shriver said people should gain a lesson from the incident.


"I think it's important to see that words hurt. Words do matter. And these words in some respect, can be seen as humiliating or a put-down to people with special needs, do cause pain. And they do result in stereotypes," Shriver said.


White House spokesman Bill Burton said Obama "made an offhand remark making fun of his own bowling that was in no way intended to disparage the Special Olympics."


"He thinks that the Special Olympics are a wonderful program that gives an opportunity to shine to people with disabilities from around the world," Burton said.


Shriver said he knows of a Special Olympian in the Detroit area who has bowled three perfect games of 300 and "he said he would be more than welcome to find the time to come to the White House and teach the president."


(Reporting by Caren Bohan and Steve Holland, editing by Vicki Allen)



At least a prez who has been in uniform
knows how to return a salute without looking like a cubl scout!
OK. Are we going to email the Prez about all the

backwards stance he is taking and all the trips Michele is taking, or are we going to sit here and take it?


Sorry, but at least GW mostly stayed in Washington if not in Texas and ran the government. They did not take "geography" classes on the road. How's the garden doing Michele? Do we hear about that? Nope. Just another publicity stunt.


Now he is praising Pelosi for her wonderful help? Give me a break.


When O became president, I figured I would give him a chance....but I figured okay, some of those bailouts he did might work  Today, he is pushing for the CLNE, clean energy bill,  which Pelosi has a big stake in, and now I know  he is just a puppet of Pelosi and the others. I will not sit here and take his lies any longer. If i have to I will send an email every day to the WH telling him where to get off.


We get a magazine on country living and they are telling us to brace ourselves for the coming new policies on food. They are telling us to stock up on food for at least 3 years especially if H.R. 875 passes. Now, I don't know when this is coming up for a vote but I read the bill and it doesn't make me happy with the wording.  If what the magazine is stating, they can stop us from producing family gardens if they will it. I'm hoping they straighten this out because as I read through it, it directly aims at the larger food production facilities, but the words that bother me are "any farm, .....or facility.... that produces food for resale." That means you will not be able to sell your garden grown extra foodstuffs unless you have a registration number....which also means government intervention. If anyone is interested, I can post the article pertaining to that.


O is finding out that his words aren't penetrating those who hate us a lot, so, as of this week, he has decided to pull back on international "friendship" and just deal with the USA because he knows we are getting disheartened with his policies. This gets our minds off the real issues of  the world and we are supposed to believe every word he says, yet some are still idolizing him. Just wait another year. Then it will be too late..


Sorry, not in my book. I think it's time for all Americans to stand up and fight, deluge the goverment with emails, etc., whatever gets through to our President. Heck, I've been emailing every time I hear something new that goes against the laws of the land.  Does it fall on deaf ears? Certainly....but I still do it. Guess I wil lbe on he UnAmerican list soon but I don't care. I've been quiet too long and am actively taking a stance in the American way of life....which is almost gone already after the 100 days. So sad.....


Now I'm getting off my  and going for a . All the politics make me very thirsty.


 


as opposed to the vast wasteland of one (Obama) demigod in 2012...

and I read that McCain failed to endorse her for 2012 in an interview - nm
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Exactly. You would think the job title would have given the Prez. a hint.sm
You know, Federal EMERGENCY Management Agency. Sometimes I wonder, no I wonder a lot about this prez and his decision making.

Will 2008 get here soon enough? No telling what he'll do in a WHOLE 2-1/2 years.

Cover up the Prez!! Have you guys seen this?

link


black prez remark

My, how classy.  That so-called retardate graduated Yale & Harvard.  Now who's retarded?  Bill Clinton is plenty of things, too, but stupid, retarded, etc. are things that I've never heard a conservative say...ever.


I'll let Chris Rock lie in the gutter with his money and his filthy mouth.


Class always speaks for itself.


"Indian" Vice Prez
If McCain chooses Bobby Jindal, gov of Louisiana, and they win, we'd have an "Indian" vice president.  With him having relatives and connections still in India, maybe he could negotiate for American MTs to keep their jobs.  Who knows what might happen.  Jindal is among 3 possible who are spending the weekend at the McCain ranch.  Just a thought.  I'm traditionally a Democrat, BTW, and haven't quite decided.
And Prez who can't decide what he's trying to escape.
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Don't know, don't care. Obama for PREZ!! nm
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And to clarify...I did not insinuate that the new Prez...
has to respond NOW and neither did Russia. They just threw down the gauntlet. It is up to him how and when he responds.

As to communism...there is no "authority" required for an opinion. Obama has been influenced by Marxists throughout his life...first Frank Marshall Davis, followed by the Marxist professors and students he said in his book he sought out....followed by Bill Ayers...that he taught and used the Saul Alinsky method community organizing..and on and on. The influence is there. Karl Marx said socialism was a start but it did not go far enough because it did not address redistribution of wealth. We know where Obama stands on redistribution of wealth. Everything he has been and everything he says tells me he thinks he can make it work and very well may attempt to in this country. They had a Marxist revolution in Russia. We see how that turned out. They had a Marxist revolution in Cuba. We see how that turned out. So far they are just socialist in Venezuela, but we see how that turned out. There will have to be no revolution here, because our new Prez and apparently 51% of the American people think it will work too. We may very well be the USSA...or worse, the UCSA. Taken over from within without having to fire a shot. THAT is what I meant about communism, and it is a far statement based on Obama's entire history from childhood into adulthood. I have no reason to think he is turning from that now. I will wait and see, of course. But just because he won does not mean I will change everything I want and believe overnight...just like I think he will not change everything he has thought and believed throughout his life. I think it is very naive to ignore that and think that he somehow has.

Again...this has nothing whatsoever to do with Bush. I don't care what Bush does; he's gone. What I care about is the man with the power for the next 4 years.
My mind out of the gutter...the prez was getting
his BJ (and a lot more) in the Oval office...where was HIS mind and morals, especially with a wife and young daughter living there?
Qualifications for Prez of US states
one has to be 35 years old and a US citizen.  And, yes, when young people fight wars, even preemptive wars, they should most definitely be able to vote for whomever they think will have their best interests in mind. Thank GOD you do not run the gov't. 
Who the heck wants Cheney for prez? YIKES!

Do you know what will happen if Obama is elected as prez? sm
It will be an Obamanation! Or an abomination..You choose. 
and when Ronald Reagan was prez, NANCY was

She did rant when Bush was prez. Now everything is blue skies with a big pot'o'change
at the end of the rainbow!
Bush first ex-prez to face limit on Secret Service protection

By Maria Recio McClatchy Newspapers


WASHINGTON — President George W. Bush's "after-life," as Laura Bush calls the post-presidency, is shaping up to be pretty comfortable, with a Dallas office, staffers, Secret Service protection, a travel budget, medical coverage and a $196,700 annual pension, all at taxpayers' expense.


However, Bush will be the first president not to benefit from one former lifetime benefit: Secret Service protection.


"He'll be the first one to receive it for 10 years," said Malcolm Wiley, Secret Service spokesman. Congress changed the law in the 1990s so that any president elected after Jan. 1, 1997, and his or her spouse will receive the federal protection for only 10 years.


The Bushes will move to their new $2 million, 8,500-square-foot Dallas home — not paid for by taxpayers — on Jan. 20, and there Bush will be close to his future presidential library at Southern Methodist University.


"We're working on a conceptual design for the building," said Mark Langdale, president of the George W. Bush Foundation. The president will help develop the $300 million structure, which will include a library, museum and policy institute.


Fundraising is just beginning, Langdale said. Once the project is finished in 2013, the National Archives and Records Administration will take over the operation of the library and museum, at federal expense. Construction will be paid for with private funds, and Bush is expected to be involved in organizing the fundraising drive.


"He is enthusiastic about spending a lot of his time and effort working on the programs of the institute," Langdale said.


Bush will maintain an office nearby in space acquired by the General Services Administration, which, under the Former Presidents Act, will pay for the office suite and staff to assist him for the rest of his life.


Bush's pension, which is tied to the base pay of the most senior government executives and increases with federal cost-of-living adjustments, will be about half the $400,000 annual presidential salary. He and Vice President Dick Cheney will receive transition expenses as well for seven months — one month before the inauguration and six months afterward — "to facilitate their transition to private life," according to the Congressional Research Service.


The GSA also covers travel expenses for any official activities attended by a former president, as well as two staff members. Former President Bill Clinton was allocated $50,000 for travel in fiscal year 2008 and former President George H.W. Bush, $56,000.


Former presidents and their families are entitled to health care in military hospitals, although they have to pay a reimbursement rate set by the Office of Management and Budget.


Bush will receive a state funeral upon his death, with full military honors for the former commander in chief.


Sarah Palin fans are as whack as Palin.
Even John McCain's top adviser referred to Sarah Palin as a whack job.
Vote McCain and Palin! -oh and why does Palin
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Palin over Biden any day. Make fun of Palin all you
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Nope, 4 years 11 days (1471 days or 1383 til 11/4/2012)
You do really need to learn how to count until 11/4/2012 or 1/20/2013.

Also, sorry to hear in four years you won't care anymore.
Are more lies you want to tell?

Remember this from back in June???  There were several more after this one, also, requesting libs stick to libs board and cons stick to cons board.  What part don't you understand? 


You surely are an idiot and you lie.  Stay off the board and slink back to your pack of liars. 


How about we suggest a no-lying board.  Oh yes, there is one already.  It's called the liberal board.


 


 


 


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