I'm praying for you and your dark soul.
Posted By: Libby on 2005-09-18
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So if he knows your soul before you have a body, and the body he planned for that soul is killed (sm
Does he just give the same soul to a different body? Just curious how your beliefs work.
And as far as your cat not having a soul sm
Does that mean that anyone who has a pet and decides they don't want it can just kill it? hmmm, I'll have to check with PETA on that.
I listen to my own soul
I dont speak for other people. I speak for myself..If others do not agree with me, great, that is the beauty of America..they have that right..I do not walk in lock step like brainwashed republicans do. I choose what party to belong to, whom to vote for, how to believe..It is all up to me.so other democrats do not agree with me? Wonder how you have the inside on how other democrats believe..however, that is okay..they can believe any which way they want..
alive, maybe, but no soul
I don't believe the fetus has a soul regardless of whether it moves or not. My cat moves too and I love her, but I don't fool myself into thinking she is a spiritual being. I have 2 children and yes it was exciting to feel them move, but honestly, it is just not the same for most Jews. We don't have baby showers, buy things for babies, decorate the room, etc. until after the birth when the child becomes "alive."
You are in the dark......just the way O wants it
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Religionopathy strikes another poor soul blind.
Nevermind the soul for a moment....let's talk about LIFE.
The law says killing someone is murder. It does not say anything about killing someone with a soul is murder. The baby is alive, and it is being killed. That's murder.
YES, I most certainly would if it meant sacrificing my morals, my soul, hurting.....sm
other people everywhere, and basically being a cut-throat sleeze. I would love if I could get rich honestly, with integrity. I would love to provide the best educations for my children, give to charities, pay off my two sisters' mortgages for them, etc., but it is NOT going to happen, so it is a moot point. A person can be "rich and prosperous" without a large bank account, I feel I am rich indeed for my blessings.
Dark Hole Sun
I hope some day, the medical community can figure out how to remove those sticks from up these self-righteous a$$es. Oh, I am so offended. Cover my eyes! You said the a-word!!!! Oh, oh........don't read 'em - it's that simple.
Seems you are really into dark foreboding.
floats your boat, go fo it. I prefer to take my comfort in, "...to those who would tear the world down, we will defeat you."
For those that want to continue to live in the dark
I do not care to do that. As a democrat, I have watched this man whom so many think will be their saving grace. This man was raised Muslim, is Muslim through and through, and only went Christian on us after he came here and started attending Rev Wright's church.
He is very careful about skirting around questions posed to him. He has never been able to prove US citizenship...refuses to put forth a legitimate birth certificate proving it, and is now facing a suit to hopefully force him to prove just that. I am not so easily led as some O lovers.
I have a close friend in Atlanta, GA, who is an aware winning journalist. This is where one of the most recent honor killings took place. As all campaigns are questioned when something important surfaces, they want to know how the candidate feels about certain things. Well, knowing Obama is Muslim by birth and upbringing, this question was posed out of Georgia to his camp, who would not give a straight answer. They refused to let Obama speak to this. They went round and round the question, but wouldn't even come out and say he would condemn such things. Not even a condemnation of these acts.
Just not easily led about this man.
"I am sorry your future is so dark and meaningless"
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He has got to paint as dark a picture as
pretty good job of it, so when just a glimmer of light shines through, he can tell you, Yes, I Did!
But, I sure hate to bust your bubble, we are noncombustible, we are not going extinct, we ain't going anywhere! We just here praying for our country.
I agree...Imagine the brave soul who would give an oppositional opinion...sm
It would be career suicide IMHO.
Tonight: Frontline -- The Dark Side
Click on the link check local listings to see when it is on where you live.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/
The Dark Side
(60 minutes) On September 11, 2001, deep inside a White House bunker, Vice President Dick Cheney was ordering U.S. fighter planes to shoot down any commercial airliner still in the air above America. At that moment, CIA Director George Tenet was meeting with his counter-terrorism team in Langley, Virginia. Both leaders acted fast, to prepare their country for a new kind of war. But soon a debate would grow over the goals of the war on terror, and the decision to go to war in Iraq. Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and others saw Iraq as an important part of a broader plan to remake the Middle East and project American power worldwide. Meanwhile Tenet, facing division in his own organization, saw non-state actors such as Al Qaeda as the highest priority. FRONTLINE's investigation of the ensuing conflict includes more than forty interviews, thousands of pages of documentary evidence, and a substantial photographic archive. It is the third documentary about the war on terror from the team that produced Rumsfeld's War and The Torture Question. (read the press release)
My dear....during some of this country's dark days....
whites with mental illness were also sterilized. How about slavery? How about thousands of white soldiers who died on battlefields to free them? How about the thousands of WHITES along the underground railroad who helped escaped slaves find homes?
YES, the preacher is hateful, the theology is racist.
Yeah, he turned....gone over to the dark side...nm
well, i would call it dark but not necessarily meaningless
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The dark side of faith (title of article)
(Considering how much importance the *right* religion is going to play in our future Supreme Court, I thought it was ironic that I found this at the Professional Ethics site. http://ethics.tamucc.edu/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/1656216)
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,3034570.story?track=hpmostemailedlink
The dark side of faithBy ROSA BROOKS
October 1, 2005
IT'S OFFICIAL: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing.
This is the implication of a study reported in the current issue of the Journal of Religion and Society, a publication of Creighton University's Center for the Study of Religion. The study, by evolutionary scientist Gregory S. Paul, looks at the correlation between levels of popular religiosity and various quantifiable societal health indicators in 18 prosperous democracies, including the United States.
Paul ranked societies based on the percentage of their population expressing absolute belief in God, the frequency of prayer reported by their citizens and their frequency of attendance at religious services. He then correlated this with data on rates of homicide, sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, abortion and child mortality.
He found that the most religious democracies exhibited substantially higher degrees of social dysfunction than societies with larger percentages of atheists and agnostics. Of the nations studied, the U.S. — which has by far the largest percentage of people who take the Bible literally and express absolute belief in God (and the lowest percentage of atheists and agnostics) — also has by far the highest levels of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.
This conclusion will come as no surprise to those who have long gnashed their teeth in frustration while listening to right-wing evangelical claims that secular liberals are weak on values. Paul's study confirms globally what is already evident in the U.S.: When it comes to values, if you look at facts rather than mere rhetoric, the substantially more secular blue states routinely leave the Bible Belt red states in the dust.
Murder rates? Six of the seven states with the highest 2003 homicide rates were red in the 2004 elections (Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina), while the deep blue Northeastern states had murder rates well below the national average. Infant mortality rates? Highest in the South and Southwest; lowest in New England. Divorce rates? Marriages break up far more in red states than in blue. Teen pregnancy rates? The same.
Of course, the red/blue divide is only an imperfect proxy for levels of religiosity. And while Paul's study found that the correlation between high degrees of religiosity and high degrees of social dysfunction appears robust, it could be that high levels of social dysfunction fuel religiosity, rather than the other way around.
Although correlation is not causation, Paul's study offers much food for thought. At a minimum, his findings suggest that contrary to popular belief, lack of religiosity does societies no particular harm. This should offer ammunition to those who maintain that religious belief is a purely private matter and that government should remain neutral, not only among religions but also between religion and lack of religion. It should also give a boost to critics of faith-based social services and abstinence-only disease and pregnancy prevention programs.
We shouldn't shy away from the possibility that too much religiosity may be socially dangerous. Secular, rationalist approaches to problem-solving emphasize uncertainty, evidence and perpetual reevaluation. Religious faith is inherently nonrational.
This in itself does not make religion worthless or dangerous. All humans hold nonrational beliefs, and some of these may have both individual and societal value. But historically, societies run into trouble when powerful religions become imperial and absolutist.
The claim that religion can have a dark side should not be news. Does anyone doubt that Islamic extremism is linked to the recent rise in international terrorism? And since the history of Christianity is every bit as blood-drenched as the history of Islam, why should we doubt that extremist forms of modern American Christianity have their own pernicious and measurable effects on national health and well-being?
Arguably, Paul's study invites us to conclude that the most serious threat humanity faces today is religious extremism: nonrational, absolutist belief systems that refuse to tolerate difference and dissent.
My prediction is that right-wing evangelicals will do their best to discredit Paul's substantive findings. But when they fail, they'll just shrug: So what if highly religious societies have more murders and disease than less religious societies? Remember the trials of Job? God likes to test the faithful.
To the truly nonrational, even evidence that on its face undermines your beliefs can be twisted to support them. Absolutism means never having to say you're sorry.
And that, of course, is what makes it so very dangerous.
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I watched it and I have no idea where this is coming from....dark orifices? nm
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Amazing, a large, successful company with a heart and soul, putting America first?? Congrats to Int
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Yes, praying to keep... sm
WITCHES away and help her with her political career.
I guess it's not a big deal if you think witches are a big cause of all your problems (as her pastor does...) He's gone on witch hunts in Africa, *literally* calling some poor innocent women witches and driving them out of their villages. It's madness.
wonder WHO you are praying to?
A god who supports abortion, and even letting a child born alive die for lack of medical care? The Almighty God does not support same.
Appreciate that. I'm praying for our leadership
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praying for our leaders
we are admonished to pray for our leaders ...sort of a political love your enemies :-) please do not forget to pray for and support our third party candidates as well - brave men and women have not shed blood for this country so that it can be "ruled" by one party masquerading as two. we are in a homeland security crisis - our own Wall Street is committing domestic financial terrorism, exactly what we were warned that foreign terrorists would do. why are we being protected from our "enemies, both foreign and domestic"?? the corruption of our financial stability is treasonous, and the names of the traitors are known.
What's so scary about it? The man was just praying
for her. 
praying/wishing.........
Well, I had an uncle that was quite colorful to say the least but he truly believed God had the last word in everything. When he heard someone say they "wished", he would tell them to wish in one hand and pee in the other and see which one fills up quicker, basically saying wishing has nothing to do with believing. Believing is having faith, faith in things you cannot see.
they are frightening but I just keep praying
and praying we can get this over with soon so people can reuinte and calm down. Too many people are way over-anxious to heed these calls of hatred, violence, war mongering. This hate has to stop before the end of the world is literally forced on us.
Then why are you PRAYING for Obama, with no
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They say it takes one to know one. I think we'd all better do a little praying. n/m
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Don't lecture me on praying and you need
to take this topic to the Faith board. How dare you question whether I pray or not. You insult those by saying that because you prayed this is who God chose to be in the white house. That is a total insult to the people who prayed otherwise. This is the same attitute that I get from my aunt - well you must be praying wrong because my prayers were answered and yours were not. Tell that the the priests, bishops, reverands and all the other spiritual leaders.
Take your religious overtones to the Faith board that is what that board is there for. Tell all of them on the Faith board that God chose Obama because you prayed and that is who was chosen. I think you'll hear otherwise (but that's probably why you posted here instead of there).
yes, thank you, everyone is praying for me and it is really helping....nm
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And those of different faith are probably praying
Everyone, regardless of their personal religious beliefs, is worshipping the "true" God, the one that is "true and living" to them.
No religion is better or "truer" and more "living" than another.
Your creator is "true and living" to you. Someone else's creator might be just as "true and living" to them.
Thank you so much for your care! And I will be praying for you....sm
I know well from my hospital work what CF is like....you are RIGHT to go on SSDI, if you do not deserve it, especialy with all of your work history, NO ONE does. And I have a friend with cancer who filed for SSDI; her lawyers told her that they always turn you down the first time, but the second time, if you have the medical records, you get through, and she did, she also could not type and had low energy, she will be on varying forms of chemo for much of the future. People who do not have a serious, chronic, ongoing, life-altering illness (which by the way, both our illnesses can be fatal, and I well remember the pancreatitis pain, I would rather have 10 more kids natural!), they can't get it....you are so sweet for your concern, write me anytime if you want a "sister" to talk with, and I honestly will be praying for your health AND your finances. God Bless!!!!!!!!
I have been praying about this all week-
end. I knew we were not going to let them take that good Captain ashore! I was horrified earlier today when I heard that it was the WH holding up a decision to do anything (should have known Obama thought he could *talk* to those pirates! or whatever his inexperience was costing us again).
I really don't care about the court of world opinion, and I am sure you are right. I am just thankful that the Captain was strong enough and brave enough to escape again and our Navy Seals and other military were able to rescue him without injury. I just hate that it took as long as it did to get him back safe.
And, yes, I am very curious to see how Obama and his elite followers are going to take credit for this one. Especially after apologizing for our arrogance all last week.
It's a dark day in America when voters dare to feel inspired and hopeful?
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Praying for his safe return....nm
Praying, trusting and respecting leaders?
I'm curious as to why one would consider this a viable option for change. Maybe I'm taking the remark out of context? No one just "deserves" respect. You earn that. It is not an entitlement. Neither is trust. Nothing is really, except for basic human decency. An example would be our soldiers. They earn their respect....most of them anyway. Our leaders are another story entirely.
Kicking and screaming and ranting is part of dissent, not only a right, but a responsibility. Folks need to have a look at our Declaration of Independence. Seriously.
I am praying that Obama wins this election
I do NOT want a president/VP that condones racism, hate filled rhetoric, anti-american views. Palin supports the Alaska Independence Group and they are anti-government and want a separate america and now Palin and McCain are basically encouraging the same thing. Obama brings unity and diversity and I am glad that he is running. What a breath of fresh air. I dont care about what anyone here has to say about the rumors of this and that concerning Obama. They have all been started and expounded upon by McCain/Palin campaign and they are lies. And WHY is it okay to give the wealthy the breaks in this world and that is an acceptable republican concept but as soon as someone says they are going to look out for the little guy and SPREAD THE WEALTH of the ecomony evenly, they are suddenly a socialist? Did McCain NOT approve the bailout plan that is buying STOCK into our banking system? Did McCain NOT approve the plan for the goverment to own half of America's mortgages? Dont talk to me about socialism McCain until you look at yourself. And by the way, people try to associate Acorn with Obama and voter registration fraud. What about the GOP intimidating people to change their party and telling them they HAVE to change their party in order to vote for a sexual predator law????? That is voter fraud and McCain is the GOP.
I am praying for Obama too. I join you in prayer. nm
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We are all praying for Obama and He/She will answer our prayers
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That's awful! Praying all those held will be released safely...
they are saying a woman and child have been released, and that is a good thing...praying this will end with no innocent folks being hurt.
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