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I'm surely NOT RICH and I want no part of it in my

Posted By: sm on 2008-09-21
In Reply to: what's so bad about socialism? - only the rich fear it

country.  Like the other poster said, Cuba has real estate for sale.  How many Cubans (besides that little boy that was adrift and landed in the US) actually want to go BACK to Cuba??




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Many rich are rich because they too are hard
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Sam........surely you know where all this
I haven't made up my mind about either party, even though I must say Palin has certainly spiced things up and it's about time.

It's only when a party feels really threatened that they might lose do they come out swinging and we would all have to be living under a rock to not see the biased opinions of our media. After Palin spoke, you immediately knew which reporters liked her and which ones were put there to cover the RNC and couldn't stand it. All I had to do was change the channel ONCE to know who the liberal media pulls for and see how the reporters remarked about her speech. And because, unfortunately, so many get their biased views from their TV set, that is all they know and follow like little sheep behind the liberal media.

You do come out swinging when you're wqrried you won't get your way!!!!!
Surely (sm)
http://newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon212.htm
Surely with

such world-wide interest and buzz about this issue, you could find a more specific board to spread and discuss with other like-minded thinkers the minute details of this vast conspiracy.  I feel a little sad that you are wasting your time here when you think this is such a major crisis.  I am not clear what great disaster you intend to divert by blowing the lid off this story, but your efforts seem to be wasted here.


 


Yuppers, I surely think you are right!!
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You aren't serious, surely. SM
This is the man who told the biggest lie of all time, i.e., the lie that launched the Vietnam War.  HIs presidency was filled with graft and collusion.  You can't be serious!
You surely know how to debate.....not

....and you are one high quality person.....not.


Someone we'd definitely want to listen and debate with.....not!!


Surely this can't be the same Bush...the one who never...
had an original thought and can't find the exit...surely this isn't the same Bush you all think deceived the whole country, plus the congress, plus the WORLD, into a war?? ROFL. Can't you guys even remember what you post??
Surely you are not advocating........ sm
allowing the elderly and sick to just die. You are referring to insurance companies, right?

I agree, however, that it is mostly the little guy (although auto workers with their exhorbitant salaries and benefits could hardly be called "little") that suffer the most when a company fails. In this case, though, the CEOs of all 3 of the auto companies are working for $1 a year. One of them, maybe Ford, was already doing that which may be the reason that Ford does not need immediate infusion of cash in order to keep going.

I wonder if this will be revisited after the first of the year when Congress returns from Christmas break. Now THERE is somewhere the fat should be cut. Why doesn't Congress cut the Golden Fleece plan and some of the salaries of lawmakers and legislators in order to help our country's economical picture? You won't be seeing that happen!!
you surely are jesting
Pick Hillary? Now there's a sure fire way to lose the election. That woman has so much bad baggage. We need a person with character. I like Joe Biden. I can trust Joe Biden. Hillary you can't trust her as far as you can throw her. Yea, right, pick a VP that says she staying in the race because there could be an assissination. Talk about always having to look over your shoulder through your whole presidency and she'd be just the person to do it. What better way to waltz right into the presidents seat. Then there were all of her dirty campaign tricks she pulled and the lies (talk about deja vu of Billy). And then on top of that you put her lack of experience along side of Obama's lack of experience and you've got 2 people in the white house that don't know what their doing, with Billy Bob roaming around on top of that.

Pick Hillary??????? Give me a break.
I surely will, good or bad. n/m
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Surely he's jesting!

Former President George H.W. Bush said his son Jeb should run for president and blasted the New York Times for its grossly unfair criticism of another son, President George W. Bush.


During an interview on "FOX News Sunday," the nation's 41st president said Jeb, the former governor of Florida, is "as qualified and as able as anyone I know in the political scene" to be president.


"I'd like to see him run," Bush said. "I'd like to see him be president some day.


"As president, it's about service, service for the greatest country on the face of the Earth and the honor that goes with it," Bush said. "I think Jeb fits that description."


He added: "I mean, right now is probably a bad time, because we've got enough Bushes in there."


In the meantime, Jeb could take another job, his father suggested.


"If Jeb wants to run for the Senate from Florida, he ought to do it," Bush said. "He'd be an outstanding senator. This is a guy that really has a feel for people, the issues in Florida and nationally. And his political days ought not to be over, says his old father."


But the current President Bush's political days will soon be over, prompting the former President Bush to unburden himself about what he calls unfair criticism of his eldest son.


"It's been tough on his father and his mother," the ex-president said. We're not very good sports about sitting around and hearing him hammered, I think, unfairly.


"Now, there were some things that clearly he deserved criticism for," he said. "But I think the idea that everything that's a problem in this country should be put on his shoulders -- I don't think that's fair. And I'm not trying to get back in game by criticizing people, for example, the New York Times, but you know, it's just grossly unfair."


Bush said "it burns me up" when critics suggest he and his son are presidential rivals.


"There isn't any such competition," Bush said." We're very close, and we remained close for many, many years. People don't quite get that. But we are very close as father and son."


On Wednesday, Bush will join his son for a White House lunch that will also be attended by former Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, as well as President-elect Barack Obama. Bush does not know the incoming commander-in-chief well, but spoke highly of Obama.


"I talked to him right after the election and... assured him that he was my president," Bush said. "I've very impressed with his style on the campaign and his coolness and his articulate nature. I think he can give a sentence and it'll sound like it's been thought out by Shakespeare or something


Ummm...you surely know!!
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Surely you have a better come back
no shame on me!
only part saved was the ignorant part
You can read the whole article.  This quote was saved to show what she said that was so stupid.
That surely should open some eyes. (sm)

I sure hope the constituents of those candidates see these videos and boot the jerks out. I also think they should be arrested and put in the slammer, plus pay back all the money they received from FMFM, and definitely never be able to run for public office again.


Stuff like this makes me furious. They are supposed to be working for us, not themselves.


Maybe it's time to dig deeper into the whole government, and weed all these guys out, whether pubs or dems. Don't matter.


Surely you realize his campaign is low enough
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does this make sense? Surely,
the CIA knows the truth or Scotland Yard?
Fairy tales? They surely won this one!
worry about paying my mortgage any more, all my bills gonna get paid* Hundreds of thousands voting with this dream in their minds, totally unaware of reality. Yes, fairy tales can win elections, we just proved it!
Shirley, I most surely agree!!!!
Whack jobs abound!!! Whacking in airport bathrooms, whacking congressional pages, whacking male prostitutes - whack, whack, whack!!!!  Whip It!! Whip it good!!
Surely you jest....it appears you are speaking for yourself

college and everything......yepper, by golly


A degree or life experiences surely
didn't help Dubya.
oh, but come on she is so pretty, and she is a woman, surely we can overlook
these things :)
A respectful campaign? Surely you jest. n/m

Hillary looking to Obama for guidance? Surely you jest. n/m
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Well surely Obama doesn't fund all sources
a name please of a source you would consider credible.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure if Bill Clinton signed this into law, but it surely came to be

under his watch. 


Unlike the "Bush supporters" of this day and time, I can and will admit when a president I admired (Bill Clinton) has done something I disagree with.


 



LOL, this is rich! sm
Patrick Buchanan who the liberals labeled "certifiable" during his last presidential bid but not that he is saying what you want to hear, he's a great guy!  That's okay, because Zell Miller said just the opposite of Patrick.  Up is down and down is up!
This is rich.

Since when is it UnAmerican to want to know the TRUTH?  Why are you people so ANTI-TRUTH?  Wouldn't surprise me if this administration goes down in history as much more corrupt than Nixon.


In the middle of a "war"??!!  Bush should be protected because we're stuck in HIS war that HE started based on HIS LIES?  At the very least, it would show the entire world that not ALL Americans condone lying, attacking and occupying sovereign nations for no reason.  I personally hope they FRY him and hold him and all those involved in his administration accountable for every single EVIL thing they have done.


Your theory that we shouldn't do this while we're in the middle of a war is like the guy who killed both his parents and then threw himself on the mercy of the court because he's an ORPHAN.


Whatever happened to "The truth will set you free"?  Why are you people HATE the truth so much?


that 5% rich...
he is among them. wonder how much comes out of his pocket and how much o his own wealth he has been redistributing??
If you were rich, would you be saying that?
I know I wouldn't, especially after I had worked so hard to get the money I earned. Unfortunately, I'm not rich by any standards, but I'm infuriated and insulted by Obama's thinking that I need a hand out from those with more money! If we take money from those who have it and give it to those who don't, where's the motivation for those that don't have it to get it for themselves? Why would they want to go to school to get a better paying job or go for that promotion at work if they know that first of all, they can sit back and get it for free and second of all, if they do start making more money, they'll just have to turn around and give it to someone that doesn't have it! How is it that the American Dream has turned into the American Entitlement?
who hates the rich?
Just another broad generalization of how **we people** believe/feel/think..Rich people?  I dont hate people I dont know..be them rich, poor or in between.  I have loved and cared for the best and the worst..I could write a book (smile).  To say we dont like or hate the rich..another broad generalization and bigoted statement by a neocon.  I dont judge a person by their riches, I judge them by what they are giving back to this earth and when they pass, will the earth be a little bit better off for them being here..
Who knows any rich people???? nm
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never said rich were evil
I never said the rich were evil.  I said there are many who dont care about the working class and yet you defend them.  As an example, I just read a news article earlier this week that Dr. Phil pays his transcriptionists $7.00 to $8.00 an hour!!!!!!!!!  Have you ever seen Dr. Phil's house in LA?  I have passed it a few times..OMG!!!!  Let me tell ya, the guy can afford to pay his transcriptionists better than that.  If it wasnt for Oprah, he would still be working in Texas and not a celebrity but does it even make him realize, hey, I got a stroke of good luck thanks to Oprah, maybe I should take care of my staff better.  Obviously he is one of the rich who does not get it.  Sure there are some who care and give back, as they realize how lucky they are and there but for the grace of God go I.  I have seen personally some rich give back greatly, some volunteering at jobs every one else would be paid for, giving to charities and so much  more.  The good ones realize they  must give back, cause that is  just the way it should be in a moral caring upright society.  The others, they cant get enough money.  Their religion is money.  The more millions they have, they are worrying about how to make millions more. 
The rich ARE the democrats
Look back over time. Who benefitted from tax breaks Clintons 2% of the richest people. Everyone makes it sound as though only republicans are rich. The democrat party has some of the richest people and they aren't paying their fair share. With the Democrats I've always had to pay more taxes. With the republicans I received refunds every year.
Ain't that rich! - see link

Did George Bush serve his country???????  I'd say Obama served his country right on our shores by working with the impoverished in Chicago. GW wouldn't dirty his hands and neither would McSame.


McWayne looks like a corpse with too much makeup on. One heartbeat away from the presidency? JC...............It is God's will we are in Iraq? W?








 


No Bailout for the rich
Say no to the bailout.  The FBI is investigating all of these companies for criminal mortgage fraud.
Rich does not mean corrupt........
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Obama is a rich fat cat as well! You are being
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maybe sam's one of them rich oil pubs
well-being of the rest of us.
Exactly......since when is RICH supposed to be
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What problem do you have with being rich?
Not sure what you call rich but you seem to be very bitter towards anyone who has more than you. MOST RICH in this country have worked their butts off to get where they are. They educated themselves and work more hours than most to get where they are. They have sacrificed a lot and they should not have to pay for those that sit on their butts and do nothing for a living, except walk to the mailbox the 3rd of every month to get their check.

I can guarantee you if you were rich, whatever number you consider that to be, you would be keeping your mouth shut because you would not appreciate some socialized nut job coming in and telling you to give more than half of what you make to some lazy bum on the street and pay for all their needs while yours go unmet.

Get a reality check!!
There's plain ol' rich, and then there's
Like yer Wall Street execs, bank CEO's, etc. Even worse our this nation's spoiled, mollycoddled pro athletes.

Does any of their wealth trickle down to us? Nope. The more tax breaks and loopholes they get, the more we have to take up the slack and fill in the gaps.

If they can pay a football player $38 million to play a stupid game, then I think those of us who actually work for a living should at least get a few more cents per line.
You seem to have struck it rich in a
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Obama is rich, and
The Kennedys and plenty of philanthropists are rich.  Look, it shouldn't be trickle down economics.  It should be trickle up for a change.  Let's not wait for the crumbs and I'm sorry but anyone who is an MT is probably not rich.
Why don't the mega rich..........
toss down some billions to help their country out? It's a tax write off......wait until their houses get robbed, their cars get keyed and their yachts get pisd on. Don't think for a minute their hired help won't be getting even in some nasty, discreet way......I think I want to be a CHEF!
That's rich, JTBB....lol...nm

would you have a problem with being rich?
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'Rob from the rich,
give to the poor' is unamerican.  'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need' is unamerican. 'You poor fellow, lemme give you some of that guy's money' is also unamerican.   'Give me liberty or give me death' is American. 
Oh, this is rich. You accuse me of drinking and then cry when it happens to you. SM
Typical liberal double standards. 
To those who think the rich should pay their FAIR taxes..
Bad news for Democrats: Top 5% of taxpayers paid 53.8% of all indiv. income taxes...




Okay, this is the one area Democratics leaders always try to mislead the American public on:

The rich get major tax breaks.
The rich get all of the Bush tax cuts.
The rich pay no taxes.

Of course they never want to explain what an unproportional percentage the wealthy in this country pay to taxes. Now to the FACTS from the Department of the Treasury:

The latest data is from the 2002 taxes. The following incomes split levels from the IRS are (% of total individual income tax in parenthesis):

Top 1%: above $ 285,424 (33.71%)
Top 5%: above $ 126,525 (53.80%)
Top 10%: above $ 92,663 (65.73%)
Top 25%: above $ 56,401 (83.90%)
Top 50%: above $ 28,654 (96.50%)
Bottom 50%: below $ 28,654 (4.50%)

The President's Tax cuts actually increase the burden on the wealthy while providing greater relief to the bottom 50 (who are not contributing proportionally to the federal coffers).
DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
Office of Public Affairs
March 2, 2005
FACT SHEET: Who Pays the Most Individual Income Taxes?

The individual income tax is highly progressive – a small group of higher-income taxpayers pay most of the individual income taxes each year.

• In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.

• The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.


Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.

The President’s tax cuts have shifted a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. In 2005, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise.

The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent.

The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rise from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent.

The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers falls by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent.



Summary of Federal Individual Income Tax Data