A respectful campaign? Surely you jest. n/m
Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-10-12
In Reply to: Stop and think long and hard about - what you are saying. sm
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Surely you jest....it appears you are speaking for yourself
college and everything......yepper, by golly
Hillary looking to Obama for guidance? Surely you jest. n/m
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Surely you realize his campaign is low enough
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Shirley U. Jest =
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Don't worry, Shirley U. Jest. This poster is
quoting from an atheist, Brian Elroy McKinney, so her views fit right in here on this left-leaning political board. The only thing is that she did not have the courtesy to acknowledge the link she quoted from and is placing copyrighted material here. You know why? Because this person cannot think for themselves, cannot interpret nor is an authority on Christian Scriptures, and has a darkened mind controlled by Satan, the master of all far-left liberals, and thinks an atheist is an authority for Scriptural interpretation.
I know what I believe and I can defend my views. I made the post here on this political board because the Red Envelope Project is a political statement to an evil, death-honoring president and administration. I make no apologies for it or for my educated opinion of Obama. I do not need to post copyrighted material and claim it as my own under the guise of being a pro-choice "christian." That is an oxymoron in and of itself. Christ honoring Christians living in obedience to Scripture do not support murder in any shape, form, or fashion.
This link debunks the atheist, Brian Elroy McKinney: Dare read it everyone. Don't be deceived.
http://therefinersfire.org/brian_elroy_mckinley.htm
Don't leave out shirley u jest, Aunt
......... and all the other little spur of the moment names she comes up with.
respectful? You? LOL!
A post totally and completely respectful from you? I cant believe it..Your are goshing, arent you? Between you and MT I cant believe the disrespect posted towards liberals/democrats..Just because you do not believe like us does not mean you have to attack..You profess to believe in the Constitution yet you attack posts that believe differently than you..Hypocrites..You, sweetheart, are the queen of attacks..so dont start acting like a goodie two shoes..the previous posts prove what you are all about..Besides, get back to your board..WE DONT WANT YOU HERE.
You know, I was being respectful. sm
I should have known better. Can we speak without cut and paste? That would be a nice way to start. No, the military times does not speak for the servicemen. And no, I am not saying that videos are whatever you said they were. I am saying that the posts we made where not all service personnel were against the war were backed by videos that showed them speaking. NOT the printed word, which can be spun whichever way the writer feels like spinning it. The fact is, I am sure there are plenty of service people who don't believe this this war, but still they serve. The day we start letting the military pick and choose which war they serve in is the day we will have lost the military. Just my opinion.
Thanks for posting and for being so respectful.
I agree that there hasn't been a single president willing to address the border issues. But there also hasn't been a single president in American history to witness his country suffer an attack such as 9/11. If there was ever a time to do everything possible to protect the American people, I believe it was after 9/11. I believe Katrina showed everyone (including the terrorists) just how little we've done to coordinate local, state and federal emergency responses. Bush beat 9/11 to death in his 2004 campaign. In my opinion, he used it to scare people into voting for him, with the false promise that he was the only candidate who could protect us.
As far as Democratic spending, I couldn't agree with you more. In fact, that's the whole point. Democrats are the ones with the rep for out of control spending. They, at least, acknowledged the need to help the less fortunate in our country. Now we've got out of control spending, with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, more and more people without health insurance coverage, and probably many Americans unable to afford to heat their homes this winter. At least the Democrats, albeit it to the chagrin of most Americans, raised taxes and gave us a sense that we were paying for all the spending they were doing. I honestly don't know now who is paying for all this, and it scares me. It further scares me that this president wants to completely revamp the Social Security system, a system I've been paying into for the past 36 years, and I don't trust his financial judgment -- not even a little bit. He's publicly described who he believes his base to be (the haves and the have mores), and that group doesn't include me. Most of my adult life was spent as a single mother. (Even though she's grown with children of her own, I'm STILL a single mother because I try to help her, my son-in-law and grandchildren whenever they need me.) I haven't had the luxury of saving for retirement simply because I couldn't afford to. I know that I will never retire. I will be working one way or the other until the day I die. The only thing I have to look forward to is a small Social Security check to supplement the part-time income I receive when I get too old to work full time. I'm not asking for a handout. I'm just asking for the government to keep its word regarding Social Security and not pull the rug out from under me.
I also didn't vote for Bush in 2000 because I believed in my heart we would find ourselves at war with Iraq if Bush was president, even though he promised that nation building was something he was against. As you know, this was well before 9/11, and now he publicly admits he wants to spread freedom throughout the world -- whether the world actually wants the United States' (and/or Bush's) particular brand of freedom or not.
In all fairness, I believe the Democratic party dropped the ball very badly in the last 8 years. In 2000, I couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone because I was so tired of voting for the least worst person. I felt that if Gore and Bush were the best this country had to offer, we were in serious trouble.
I also think that Kerry was a terrible candidate to represent the Democratic party, although I did respect very much the fact that he had actually served in a war on foreign land and had firsthand experience in that area, which I believe is very important.
My favorite Democratic candidate was John Edwards. He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Everything he has, he worked very hard for. This is a man who has firsthand knowledge of how to build something from nothing, another area of knowledge I don't believe Bush has clue one about. Edwards was acutely aware there are two Americas, and that's never been more evident than it is now, after almost 5 years of bush.
I'm one of those people who found what Clinton did to be deplorable. However, compared to Bush, Clinton was infinitely better. Clinton definitely left office with the country in better shape than it will be when Bush leaves.
We used to have three basic socioeconomic groups in this country: rich, middle class and poor. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is starting to erode downward. People who have median incomes are finding their effective net spendable income dwindling if they have to drive to and from their employment. The only people to benefit from Bush are the rich. It's a sad, sad situation when the State of Georgia takes it upon itself to close schools in order to conserve fuel, yet oil company profits continue to skyrocket.
I believe that war with Iraq is not only the single largest waste of money, resources, and especially American lives -- it's also putting America in much more danger. This war has provided a wide open space for terrorists to train, and Bush gave them that training ground by invading Iraq and creating that training ground that didn't exist before. We've completely destroyed their country, killed their people and wrecked their electricity and water. I don't think it would be moral and ethical to just pull out of there immediately without fixing all the things that we broke. By the same token, the longer we stay there, the more Americans we lose. Saddam had been contained. He was no real threat to us, and there was no legitimate reason in the world for us to invade Iraq in the bogus name of fighting the war on terror. We have so very many things to do here at home to take care of our own, and we should have done that before even thinking of invading a country that wasn't a threat to us. In 2001, we were told we're going in there to fight the war on terror. Now the reason is we want to spread freedom to the Iraqi people. That's quite a leap and, to me, a person who feared in 2000 that Bush would attack Iraq, it's disingenuous, but most of all, it's not keeping us safe.
Hurricane season still has three months to go, and there's no reason to believe that more Americans won't lose their lives and/or homes. We've got war zones all around us, whether it's an act of God or an act of Bush. Whether it's the Gulf in Iraq or the Gulf in America, people are faced with losing electricity and water. More urgently, they are faced with losing their lives and homes. Somebody PLEASE tell me why it should be that Iraq is more important than America. I don't believe America can afford to take care of both. In my opinion, America must take priority.
I'm sorry this was so long. I guess I've been waiting for a long time to actually enter a debate with someone who is intelligent and thoughtful and, above all else, respectful to a different point of view. Reading your post was a real pleasure. Thank you. 
I have been perfectly respectful.
I am not sure what you are talking about.
Thank you for this polite, respectful
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Obama's campaign called McCain's campaign.
This was reported an hour or two before McCain had his little news conference. Shouldn't take to heart too much of what McCain says as he is a known liar.
It's just that the other posters tonight were much more respectful and better informed.
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Debate is allowed on the political forums. Be respectful in your posts. If you
cannot post in kind, DON'T POST.
Sam........surely you know where all this
I haven't made up my mind about either party, even though I must say Palin has certainly spiced things up and it's about time.
It's only when a party feels really threatened that they might lose do they come out swinging and we would all have to be living under a rock to not see the biased opinions of our media. After Palin spoke, you immediately knew which reporters liked her and which ones were put there to cover the RNC and couldn't stand it. All I had to do was change the channel ONCE to know who the liberal media pulls for and see how the reporters remarked about her speech. And because, unfortunately, so many get their biased views from their TV set, that is all they know and follow like little sheep behind the liberal media.
You do come out swinging when you're wqrried you won't get your way!!!!!
Surely (sm)
http://newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon212.htm
Surely with
such world-wide interest and buzz about this issue, you could find a more specific board to spread and discuss with other like-minded thinkers the minute details of this vast conspiracy. I feel a little sad that you are wasting your time here when you think this is such a major crisis. I am not clear what great disaster you intend to divert by blowing the lid off this story, but your efforts seem to be wasted here.
Yuppers, I surely think you are right!!
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You aren't serious, surely. SM
This is the man who told the biggest lie of all time, i.e., the lie that launched the Vietnam War. HIs presidency was filled with graft and collusion. You can't be serious!
You surely know how to debate.....not
....and you are one high quality person.....not.
Someone we'd definitely want to listen and debate with.....not!!
Surely this can't be the same Bush...the one who never...
had an original thought and can't find the exit...surely this isn't the same Bush you all think deceived the whole country, plus the congress, plus the WORLD, into a war?? ROFL. Can't you guys even remember what you post??
Surely you are not advocating........ sm
allowing the elderly and sick to just die. You are referring to insurance companies, right?
I agree, however, that it is mostly the little guy (although auto workers with their exhorbitant salaries and benefits could hardly be called "little") that suffer the most when a company fails. In this case, though, the CEOs of all 3 of the auto companies are working for $1 a year. One of them, maybe Ford, was already doing that which may be the reason that Ford does not need immediate infusion of cash in order to keep going.
I wonder if this will be revisited after the first of the year when Congress returns from Christmas break. Now THERE is somewhere the fat should be cut. Why doesn't Congress cut the Golden Fleece plan and some of the salaries of lawmakers and legislators in order to help our country's economical picture? You won't be seeing that happen!!
you surely are jesting
Pick Hillary? Now there's a sure fire way to lose the election. That woman has so much bad baggage. We need a person with character. I like Joe Biden. I can trust Joe Biden. Hillary you can't trust her as far as you can throw her. Yea, right, pick a VP that says she staying in the race because there could be an assissination. Talk about always having to look over your shoulder through your whole presidency and she'd be just the person to do it. What better way to waltz right into the presidents seat. Then there were all of her dirty campaign tricks she pulled and the lies (talk about deja vu of Billy). And then on top of that you put her lack of experience along side of Obama's lack of experience and you've got 2 people in the white house that don't know what their doing, with Billy Bob roaming around on top of that.
Pick Hillary??????? Give me a break.
I surely will, good or bad. n/m
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Surely he's jesting!
Former President George H.W. Bush said his son Jeb should run for president and blasted the New York Times for its grossly unfair criticism of another son, President George W. Bush.
During an interview on "FOX News Sunday," the nation's 41st president said Jeb, the former governor of Florida, is "as qualified and as able as anyone I know in the political scene" to be president.
"I'd like to see him run," Bush said. "I'd like to see him be president some day.
"As president, it's about service, service for the greatest country on the face of the Earth and the honor that goes with it," Bush said. "I think Jeb fits that description."
He added: "I mean, right now is probably a bad time, because we've got enough Bushes in there."
In the meantime, Jeb could take another job, his father suggested.
"If Jeb wants to run for the Senate from Florida, he ought to do it," Bush said. "He'd be an outstanding senator. This is a guy that really has a feel for people, the issues in Florida and nationally. And his political days ought not to be over, says his old father."
But the current President Bush's political days will soon be over, prompting the former President Bush to unburden himself about what he calls unfair criticism of his eldest son.
"It's been tough on his father and his mother," the ex-president said. We're not very good sports about sitting around and hearing him hammered, I think, unfairly.
"Now, there were some things that clearly he deserved criticism for," he said. "But I think the idea that everything that's a problem in this country should be put on his shoulders -- I don't think that's fair. And I'm not trying to get back in game by criticizing people, for example, the New York Times, but you know, it's just grossly unfair."
Bush said "it burns me up" when critics suggest he and his son are presidential rivals.
"There isn't any such competition," Bush said." We're very close, and we remained close for many, many years. People don't quite get that. But we are very close as father and son."
On Wednesday, Bush will join his son for a White House lunch that will also be attended by former Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, as well as President-elect Barack Obama. Bush does not know the incoming commander-in-chief well, but spoke highly of Obama.
"I talked to him right after the election and... assured him that he was my president," Bush said. "I've very impressed with his style on the campaign and his coolness and his articulate nature. I think he can give a sentence and it'll sound like it's been thought out by Shakespeare or something
Ummm...you surely know!!
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Surely you have a better come back
no shame on me!
I'm surely NOT RICH and I want no part of it in my
country. Like the other poster said, Cuba has real estate for sale. How many Cubans (besides that little boy that was adrift and landed in the US) actually want to go BACK to Cuba??
That surely should open some eyes. (sm)
I sure hope the constituents of those candidates see these videos and boot the jerks out. I also think they should be arrested and put in the slammer, plus pay back all the money they received from FMFM, and definitely never be able to run for public office again.
Stuff like this makes me furious. They are supposed to be working for us, not themselves.
Maybe it's time to dig deeper into the whole government, and weed all these guys out, whether pubs or dems. Don't matter.
does this make sense? Surely,
the CIA knows the truth or Scotland Yard?
Fairy tales? They surely won this one!
worry about paying my mortgage any more, all my bills gonna get paid* Hundreds of thousands voting with this dream in their minds, totally unaware of reality. Yes, fairy tales can win elections, we just proved it!
Shirley, I most surely agree!!!!
Whack jobs abound!!! Whacking in airport bathrooms, whacking congressional pages, whacking male prostitutes - whack, whack, whack!!!! Whip It!! Whip it good!!
A degree or life experiences surely
didn't help Dubya.
oh, but come on she is so pretty, and she is a woman, surely we can overlook
these things :)
Well surely Obama doesn't fund all sources
a name please of a source you would consider credible.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure if Bill Clinton signed this into law, but it surely came to be
under his watch.
Unlike the "Bush supporters" of this day and time, I can and will admit when a president I admired (Bill Clinton) has done something I disagree with.
Wow, my post was totally and completely respectful and yours is totally and completely not. sm
what a surprise. Can't stand to be corrected or proven wrong, can you. Have to call everyone a liar, don't you. Got to tell people to stick things somewhere, don't you. TSK TSK TSK Anger management might be helpful.
He is still around, only with a new campaign. sm
See campaignforliberty.com. We have more than 100,000 members now and growing.
Even if they cannot vote for him, they should at least listen to what he has to say about the Fed and the economy, and people need to get involved. He is an economics genius. McCain did not even know what the PPT was when Dr. Paul asked him a question about it during one of the debates.
America has gone so far off track from what it is supposed to be and people are so uninformed, I honestly think they did not understand what he was trying to say. They labeled us as a fringe element for wanting to restore the Constitution. How pathetic is that? He was the thinking person's candidate.
Campaign
During my search for the Obama "messiah" discussion, I am just appalled at the nastiness of this campaign. As an INDEPENDENT, voting for Mr. Independent, my unbiased opinion is that the Republicans are running a nasty campaign based on half-truths and no truths. Just look at the nastiness on this board if anyone DARES speak a favorable word about Obama.
My intention this minute is to do a write-in vote for Lou Dobbs. Should it look as if McCain is going to win, I WILL switch and vote AGAINST John McCain and if that means a vote for Obama, well, so be it. I have already stated my objections to Obama and got myself in a peck of trouble for doing it!
This campaign
You know, I have never been so concerned about our election or our country in all my life. This really weighs heavy on me and I so hate seeing people on this board and others as well as people I come in contact every day so biased one way or the other they won't even begin to listen to any questions about their candidate. There are plenty of things about both candidates that really concern me. One thing that has been overlooked is that Congress plays a big part in what a president can and cannot do, although both the Republican led Congress and the present Democrat led Congress are failing the American people. It is my feeling they should have put the brakes on George W. Bush on many different occasions but instead they have given him free reign.
I agree with Lou Dobbs almost 100%. I agree that I'm for LEGAL immigration but ILLEGAL is quite another thing. Our wages are going down and our cost of living is going up, in large part due to the influx of illegals overloading our schools, our ERs and other public services. This is particularly true here in my part of the country where there are big businesses that demand the low-wage workers and our senator and representative vote against the will of the majority of citizens because the big biz is who owns them. I wonder if Lou Dobbs were elected president, what kind of president would he be. I was hoping he would run. At least we have a news commentator who tells it as it is on both sides.
It really concerns me that posters on this board are so busy fighting over the candidate they can't even discuss the issues. I always thought MTs were of above average intelligence but reading some of the posts here, I'm starting to rethink that thought. I've been out and around all day and came home looking forward to seeing what was new and danged if the fighting, backbiting and nastiness here isn't worse than it was this morning.
Do you really want to get into campaign fraud?
You really don't want to, because the left has a corner on that market One example is the DNC registering dead people in Detroit. You know, we could tit for tat all day long about these things, but the conspiracy that elections are fixed is just that, a conspiracy.
Your energies would best be served by trying to help the the schizophrenic Democratic party finding a unified vision and an action plan other than dissing the Republicans. It's not our fault you're losing it's yours. The article you posted proves that energies are being wasted on the wrong things. But really, I don't care if you lose just so you do.
I know his campaign is in big trouble.
Seems to me he thought he found something and before confirming it, he started appearing on talk shows. At the most, he knowingly lied and wanted to tell his base what they wanted to hear.
At the least, he's reckless and sloppy in his approach to things.
I suppose the true test of his character will be if he comes clean and admits he was wrong.
Other than that, I find it increasingly difficult on a daily basis to understand why some of these politicians do what they do, both Republican and Democrat alike.
sorry...I was repeating what his campaign was saying...
only of course they said African American, not black. Yes, I am fully aware he is biracial. But he himself identified himself as "black." Remember the "oh by the way he happens to be black" comment. He does not view himself as biracial. And whether or not he is black or biracial or white does not matter to me. Your opinion and mine differ. I do not think he is capable. There is a difference in running the country and showing up and voting present most of the time. I am not bashing him. It is just a fact...he has absolutely no foreign policy experience, and while Biden does, is he going to take Biden with him when he meets leaders of other countries? It IS a legitimate concern. Forget it is Obama. Think of him as Joe Blow from Kokimo. He doesn't have the experience, and being a great orator in prepared speeches will not get him far in the foreign policy area. And in the state this world is in now...we need someone with that experience...not in the second chair. In the FIRST chair. Just my opinion.
Wow....you should be in Barack's campaign...
you took one sentence out of what I said and spun it so hard I'm dizzy. LOL. How you got that I made an assumption that noncaucasian nonchristian people are incapable of thinking for themselves. You are the one who suggested that anyone who hates does so by choice because they won't think for themselves...?
Obama campaign
Obama opened a campaign headquarters in our town and one of the first things they did was to put a large poster in the window stating "Felons CAN vote." After an uproar, the sign was taken down, but it left a bad taste in a lot of mouths.
Campaign was already dead. That's why
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New campaign slogan: It's all about the O
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Different if it comes from a supporter or the campaign....
neither McCain or Obama can control what supporters do...but this ad was from the Obama campaign. And it flies in the face of everything Obama said he was NOT going to do.
Not as much as putting out an ad from your campaign...
with stamp of approval on it. That says more, in my opinion.
As far as Jewish people...Sarah Palin is going to the protest but on by Jewish leaders protesting Ahmadinejad addressing the UN...so McCain's campaign is supporting Jewish people there in a very public way. That also says a lot.
Coz that is illegal under campaign
finance law. Maybe McCain can allow homeless to stay in one of his 11 homes when he and Cindy are out flying in their personal jet?
He's not divisive, like you and your campaign
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