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You are correct, I got one word of the title of his book incorrect,
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-21
In Reply to: The book is titled "Dreams From My Father" not "Dreams of My Father." - Makes Cents
and for that I apologize. However, the information I quoted from the book is correct, "Frank" is a communist. But, the fact remains, I never called Obama a communist. If I knew he was, I would not hesitate to call him one. I do know he is a socialist, and I call him one.
No need to ridicule and call others ignorant to make a point. It somewhat dulls any point you try to make.
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I can see the title of her next book now...sm
*The Liberals Took My Voting Rights.* She's such a nutjob!
You are incorrect.
To life-long friends and family who know me, no one would ever use those to terms to describe me.
But I have been called blunt and overly honest at times.
You are as off in your assessment of me as you were in your being unable to assess what constitutes humor. Apparently you also were incapable of understanding the moderator's request that you stay off this board if you can't play nice with the liberal's posting their viewpoints. Perhaps you did not notice that the title of the board is LIBERALS.
You are incorrect
I never told anyone to leave this board. I simply asked the bashing to stop. You have been provided a forum for your endless stream of liberal bashing and it is called the conservative board. Just never understood why you guys don't want to use it for the purpose it was provided. I like to see your posts on this board when free of the bashing.
You are very much incorrect
You and the death squad on this board need to get educated. You need to move beyond your stereotypes of the evil Muslims.
Jihad has a wider meaning in Islamic literature. It can be striving to lead a good Muslim life, praying and fasting regularly, being an attentive spouse and parent or working hard to spread the message of Islam.[2] Jihad is also used in the meaning of struggle for or defence of Islam, the holy war. Despite the fact that Jihad is not supposed to include aggressive warfare, this has occurred, as exemplified by early extremists like Kharijites and contemporary groups like Egypt's Jihad Organization (which assassinated Anwar Al Sadat) as well as Jihad organizations in Lebanon, the Gulf states, and Indonesia.[1]
You have this incorrect.
Your Teddy/Taiga synopsis is wrong, as is your Observer synopsis. Check the archives if you don't believe me. I don't know why the truth is so hard to portray...especially when it can all be verified in the archives. But then this is nothing new with you guys.
If you want to believe the fiction you have created, go ahead. This is a political board and if you want to make up fairy tales in order to bash someone I can't stop you.
Actually you are incorrect
GALLUP SHOCK: 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY VOTERS
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semeni4 semeni4 is a cool boy!! <a href=http://curio-cabinet.mctry.com> Curio cabinet </a>
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<a class="ntl" title="You're incorrect." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-You-39re-incorrect--6817.html">You're incorrect.</a><br />
<P>You wrote <STRONG>But first, they drop leaflets, warning civilians to leave. Really, quite a first for this sort of thing. </STRONG></P><br />
<P>This may be a first for Israel, but it is a practice that has been used for a very long time in order to minimize collateral damage in wars. You need to check your facts because you are wrong that it is a first for this sort of thing.</P><br />
<P>How kind of Israel to drops these leaflets warning civilians to leave after Israel already bombed out their roads and bridges in order that they might actually do so. No. Kind probably isn't the right word. Disingenuous is a much better word.</P><br />
<P>Lebanon was in the process of being a place people wanted to visit again, in fact, a vacation destination for some people. There was not only great physical damage done to its infrastructure but to its economic potential, as well. </P><br />
<P>As far as Hezbollah, some people see them as terrorists. However, some people in Lebanon see them as part of their government, as people who try to take care of those less fortunate in Lebanon, and as people who will help to keep them safe from Israel. I personally am not willing to disregard what these people feel and know firsthand in order to believe what a neocon Bush apologist has to say, considering all the lies the world has been asked to believe since Bush took office. </P><br />
<P>Even the moderate countries over there are changing their opinions regarding Hezbollah and Israel -- the same countries that used to be our allies.</P><br />
<P>Hezbollah has promised to honor the cease fire, but they do reserve the right to protect themselves, which is very reasonable. Israel, on the other hand, ramps up the attacks and violence, making me wonder just how sincere they are. Once again, disingenuous is more like it.</P><br />
<P>I'm very sorry, but I, for one, am bloody tired of Israel apologists.</P>
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<a class="ntl" title="Misleading and incorrect....this is not a tax cut....sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Misleading-and-incorrect-this-is-not-a-tax-cut-sm-36936.html">Misleading and incorrect....this is not a tax cut....sm</a><br />
It is a one-time payout to poor people. Everything else under the sun that you buy in the future will be taxed higher.<br />
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People are so gullible.
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<a class="ntl" title="that calculator is incorrect" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-that-calculator-is-incorrect-37695.html">that calculator is incorrect</a><br />
It does not acct for the repeal of the Bush tax cuts, and in the end you will end up paying more. Read all the posts below from yesterday about this. Geez, do you believe everything? Like no politicians lie?
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<a class="ntl" title="Actually, I believe it's an album title." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Actually-I-believe-it-39s-an-album-title--25667.html">Actually, I believe it's an album title.</a><br />
point you hoped to achieve by posting that? Or did you just think it sounded clever? It means "attention" or "careful," and as such, does not even address the issue. Please, do tell how a rumor about SP possibly trying to get someone fired translates to her "loving to fire people." Was there proof that she had someone fired? Or do you always believe everything you hear on TV and take it as gospel without looking into the facts?
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<a class="ntl" title="I believe the title is "Holiness"" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-I-believe-the-title-is-34Holiness-34-55915.html">I believe the title is "Holiness"</a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="You need to reread the title......." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-You-need-to-reread-the-title--57651.html">You need to reread the title.......</a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="I did not state that your posting was incorrect" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-I-did-not-state-that-your-posting-was-incorrect-13853.html">I did not state that your posting was incorrect</a><br />
<P>I posted the source of your information. That is all. I know that most of us, yourself included, feel it is important to cite sources.</P><br />
<P>Otherwise no where in my short post did I challenge the veracity of the information you provided.</P>
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<a class="ntl" title="incorrect information, blanket" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-incorrect-information-blanket-18472.html">incorrect information, blanket</a><br />
<P>attack on all non-right wing media, and cut and paste from neocon website, all-in-all an otherwise mildly entertaining post. I give it 2 stars of 11 possible.</P><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="Moderator is watching but you are incorrect." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Moderator-is-watching-but-you-are-incorrect--25178.html">Moderator is watching but you are incorrect.</a><br />
The OP is not advocating but entertaining a valid thought about a past medical condition.<br />
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Moderator
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<a class="ntl" title="Religiously politically incorrect? (sm)" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Religiously-politically-incorrect-sm--43747.html">Religiously politically incorrect? (sm)</a><br />
<P>The name of this site is MTStars. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I take that to mean it is a place for medical transcriptionists to come and voice their opinions about many subjects. Please see list of subjects to the left. What I didn't realize is that this board is exclusive of anyone who is not a christian or has a different view other than those posted. AGAIN, my post had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with religion. And by the way, I have used the term *bible thumping* once on this board, and that was because it was a direct quote from another poster (a christian).</P><br />
<P>MODERATOR: Could you please change the name of this website to RELIGIOUSLY POLITICALLY CORRECT MTSTARS!!!!</P>
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<a class="ntl" title="Exactly. You would think the job title would have given the Prez. a hint.sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Exactly-You-would-think-the-job-title-would-have-given-the-Prez-a-hint-sm-2377.html">Exactly. You would think the job title would have given the Prez. a hint.sm</a><br />
You know, Federal EMERGENCY Management Agency. Sometimes I wonder, no I wonder a lot about this prez and his decision making. <br />
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Will 2008 get here soon enough? No telling what he'll do in a WHOLE 2-1/2 years.<br />
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<a class="ntl" title="See inside. I can't figure out what to title this. LOL" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-See-inside-I-can-39t-figure-out-what-to-title-this-LOL-49932.html">See inside. I can't figure out what to title this. LOL</a><br />
<P>I just don't know a nice way to say this but those families that have babies they can't afford do so just to get on the welfare system. They certainly don't want that taken away from them. As long as they have babies, they won't have to work and live off the system. </P><br />
<P>What does Pelosi plan to do? Force everyone on birth control that have X amount of dollars per each child and state "You make $1 less than you're allowed to have this many children. Now you go on birth control." </P><br />
<P>Before you flame me, my husband's cousin did that. He was too lazy to work as was his wife...well, nah, she didn't have time to get a job. She was too busy having kids. </P><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="That is NOT in the title. More lies. Keep drinking." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-That-is-NOT-in-the-title-More-lies-Keep-drinking--57546.html">That is NOT in the title. More lies. Keep drinking.</a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="Incorrect. We're the target of terrorists" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Incorrect-We-39re-the-target-of-terrorists-49245.html">Incorrect. We're the target of terrorists</a><br />
because we are a capitalist society. A society that allows for personal freedoms. A country that embraces all races and religious and creeds. A country that does not dictate how its citizens must act, and think, and worship. And that is unsufferable to Muslim extremits. <br />
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Do you know anything about Jihad?
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<a class="ntl" title="You cannot type it word for word, just provide a link. " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-You-cannot-type-it-word-for-word-just-provide-a-link--22542.html">You cannot type it word for word, just provide a link. </a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="See message (unsure of a subject title to put)" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-See-message-unsure-of-a-subject-title-to-put--58860.html">See message (unsure of a subject title to put)</a><br />
I have mixed feelings. There are horrible things going on in the world and always will be. Some call it torture others do not. It's all a matter of opinion. The people who are interrogators are trained in how to obtain information from the enemies. We (you and me and others on this board) are not. What is your solution to this? What do you suggest they do to keep America safe? Do you have any solutions or suggestions? We don't kill prisoners - unlike our enemies. However, we must use whatever technique we can to get the vital information needed. We don't cause bodily injury, and we don't cut off their heads very slowly like they do. So, they think they are going to die, you know what...I don't care. Just get the information needed to keep America safe. Unless you belong to the military or any of these government agencies involved in this type of work, you don't really know what is going on. Sorry but sitting down with a nice cup of tea and some crumpets and asking them nicely is not going to get them to speak. I say leave the decisions like this to the people who are in charge of this and trained in this. More important things going on than to think about if we are hurting the feelings of our enemies.
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<a class="ntl" title="The transcript and a bonus (the incorrect spelling is not mine)" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-The-transcript-and-a-bonus-the-incorrect-spelling-is-not-mine--3380.html">The transcript and a bonus (the incorrect spelling is not mine)</a><br />
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<SCRIPT type=text/javascript><br />
/***********************************************<br />
* (c) Ger Versluis 2000 version 12.00 27 May 2004 *<br />
* You may use this script on non commercial sites. *<br />
* www.burmees.nl/menu *<br />
************************************************/<br />
<br />
if(document.getElementById){<br />
var AgntUsr=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase(),AppVer=navigator.appVersion.toLowerCase(),Opr7=AgntUsr.indexOf(opera 7)!=-1||AgntUsr.indexOf(opera/7)!=-1?true:false;<br />
if((AgntUsr.indexOf(opera)==-1||Opr7)){<br />
var NavYes=((AgntUsr.indexOf(mozilla)!=-1&&AgntUsr.indexOf(compatible)==-1)||Opr7)?true:false,ExpYes=(AgntUsr.indexOf(msie)!=-1&&!Opr7)? true:false;<br />
if(MenuUsesFrames&&!parent.frames[0])MenuUsesFrames=0;<br />
var Exp6Plus=((AppVer.indexOf(msie 6)!=-1||AppVer.indexOf(msie 7)!=-1)&&!Opr7)?true:false,MacExp5=(AppVer.indexOf(mac)!=-1&&AppVer.indexOf(msie 5)!=-1)?true:false,<br />
FLoc,ScLoc,DcLoc,SLdAgnWin,FWinH,FColW,SColW,DColW,SWinW,SWinH,FWinW,RLvl=0,FntFc=1,StaticPos=0,Ztop=100,FrstCreat=true,Ldd=false,<br />
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CloseTmr=null,OpnTmr=null,RmbrNow=null,FStr=,M_Hide=hidden,M_Show=visible,P_X=px,M_StrtTp=StartTop,M_StrtLft=StartLeft,<br />
Par=MenuUsesFrames?parent:window,Doc=Par.document,Bod=Doc.body,Trigger=NavYes?Par:Bod,<br />
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InitLdd,MstSz=0;LdTmr=setInterval(ChckInitLd(),100)}}<br />
<br />
function ChckInitLd(){<br />
InitLdd=ExpYes?<br />
MenuUsesFrames?Par.frames[FirstLineFrame].document.readyState==complete&&Par.frames[SecLineFrame].document.readyState==complete?<br />
1:0:Par.document.readyState==complete?<br />
1:0:MenuUsesFrames?Par.frames[FirstLineFrame].document.body&&Par.frames[SecLineFrame].document.body?1:0:Par.document.body?1:0;<br />
if(InitLdd) {clearInterval(LdTmr);Go()}}<br />
<br />
function CnclSlct(){return false}<br />
<br />
function RePos(){<br />
FWinW=ExpYes?FCmplnt?FHtml.clientWidth:FLoc.document.body.clientWidth:FLoc.innerWidth;<br />
FWinH=ExpYes?FCmplnt?FHtml.clientHeight:FLoc.document.body.clientHeight:FLoc.innerHeight;<br />
SWinW=ExpYes?SCmplnt?ScHtml.clientWidth:ScLoc.document.body.clientWidth:ScLoc.innerWidth;<br />
SWinH=ExpYes?SCmplnt?ScHtml.clientHeight:ScLoc.document.body.clientHeight:ScLoc.innerHeight;<br />
if(MstSz)SizeMenu(FrstCntnr);<br />
StaticPos=-1;<br />
ClcRl();if(TargetLoc)ClcTrgt();ClcLft();ClcTp();<br />
PosMenu(FrstCntnr,StartTop,StartLeft);<br />
if(RememberStatus)StMnu()}<br />
<br />
function UnLdd(){<br />
Ldd=Crtd=false;<br />
SetMenu=0;<br />
var M=FrstCntnr?FrstCntnr.FrstMbr:null;<br />
if(ExpYes){while(M!=null){if(M.CCn){MakeNull(M.CCn);M.CCn=null}M=M.PrvMbr}}<br />
LdTmr=setInterval(ChckLdd(),100)}<br />
<br />
function UnLddTotal(){<br />
MakeNull(FrstCntnr);<br />
FrstCntnr=RmbrNow=FLoc=ScLoc=DcLoc=SLdAgnWin=CurOvr=CloseTmr=Doc=Bod=Trigger=null}<br />
<br />
function MakeNull(P){<br />
var M=P.FrstMbr,Mi;<br />
while(M!=null){Mi=M;if(M.CCn){MakeNull(M.CCn);M.CCn=null}M=M.PrvMbr;Mi.PrvMbr=null;Mi=null}<br />
P.FrstMbr=null}<br />
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function ChckLdd(){if(!ExpYes){<br />
if(ScLoc.document.body){clearInterval(LdTmr);Go()}}<br />
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<br />
function Go(){<br />
if(!Ldd){ Crtd=false;Ldd=true;<br />
BeforeStart();<br />
if(ScaleMenu){<br />
if(document.defaultView&&document.defaultView.getComputedStyle)FntFc=parseInt(document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(document.body,'').getPropertyValue(font-size))/16;<br />
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status=Building menu;<br />
FLoc=MenuUsesFrames?parent.frames[FirstLineFrame]:window;<br />
ScLoc=MenuUsesFrames?parent.frames[SecLineFrame]:window;<br />
DcLoc=MenuUsesFrames?parent.frames[DocTargetFrame]:window;<br />
if(MenuUsesFrames){if(!FLoc)FLoc=window;if(!ScLoc)ScLoc=window;if(!DcLoc)DcLoc=window}<br />
if(FLoc==ScLoc)AcrssFrms=false;<br />
if(AcrssFrms)FirstLineHorizontal=MenuFramesVertical?0:FirstLineHorizontal?FirstLineHorizontal:1;<br />
if(Exp6Plus||Opr7){<br />
FHtml=FLoc.document.getElementsByTagName(HTML)[0];ScHtml=ScLoc.document.getElementsByTagName(HTML)[0];<br />
FCmplnt=FLoc.document.compatMode.indexOf(CSS)==-1?false:true;SCmplnt=ScLoc.document.compatMode.indexOf(CSS)==-1?false:true}<br />
FWinW=ExpYes?FCmplnt?FHtml.clientWidth:FLoc.document.body.clientWidth:FLoc.innerWidth;<br />
FWinH=ExpYes?FCmplnt?FHtml.clientHeight:FLoc.document.body.clientHeight:FLoc.innerHeight;<br />
SWinW=ExpYes?SCmplnt?ScHtml.clientWidth:ScLoc.document.body.clientWidth:ScLoc.innerWidth;<br />
SWinH=ExpYes?SCmplnt?ScHtml.clientHeight:ScLoc.document.body.clientHeight:ScLoc.innerHeight;<br />
FColW=FLoc.document.body;SColW=ScLoc.document.body;DColW=ScLoc.document.body;<br />
if(TakeOverBgColor)FColW.style.backgroundColor=AcrssFrms?SColW.bgColor:DColW.bgColor;<br />
if(FrstCreat||FLoc==ScLoc)FrstCntnr=CreateMenuStructure(Menu,NoOffFirstLineMenus,null);<br />
else CreateMenuStructureAgain(Menu,NoOffFirstLineMenus);<br />
SizeMenu(FrstCntnr);<br />
ClcRl();if(TargetLoc)ClcTrgt();ClcLft();ClcTp();<br />
PosMenu(FrstCntnr,StartTop,StartLeft);<br />
Crtd=true;<br />
SLdAgnWin=ExpYes?ScLoc.document.body:ScLoc;SLdAgnWin.onunload=UnLdd;<br />
if(ExpYes)Trigger.onunload=UnLddTotal;<br />
Trigger.onresize=RePos;<br />
AfterBuild();<br />
if(RememberStatus)StMnu();<br />
FrstCreat=false;<br />
if(MenuVerticalCentered==static&&!AcrssFrms)setInterval(KeepPos(),250);<br />
if(!ExpYes){FWinW=-1;RePos()}<br />
IniFlg=true;Initiate();<br />
status=Menu ready for use}}<br />
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function KeepPos(){<br />
var TS=ExpYes?SCmplnt?ScHtml.scrollTop:ScLoc.document.body.scrollTop:ScLoc.pageYOffset;<br />
if(TS!=StaticPos){FrstCntnr.OrgTop=StartTop+TS;FrstCntnr.style.top=FrstCntnr.OrgTop+P_X;StaticPos=TS}}<br />
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function ClcRl(){StartTop=M_StrtTp<1&&M_StrtTp>0?M_StrtTp*FWinH:M_StrtTp;StartLeft=M_StrtLft<1&&M_StrtLft>0?M_StrtLft*FWinW:M_StrtLft}<br />
<br />
function ClcTrgt(){<br />
var TLoc=FLoc.document.getElementById(TargetLoc);<br />
while(TLoc){StartTop+=TLoc.offsetTop;StartLeft+=TLoc.offsetLeft;TLoc=TLoc.offsetParent}}<br />
<br />
function ClcLft(){<br />
if(MenuCentered.indexOf(left)==-1){<br />
var Sz=FWinW-parseInt(FrstCntnr.style.width);<br />
StartLeft+=MenuCentered.indexOf(right)!=-1?Sz:Sz/2;if(StartLeft<0)StartLeft=0}}<br />
<br />
function ClcTp(){<br />
if(MenuVerticalCentered!=top&&MenuVerticalCentered!=static){<br />
var Sz=FWinH-parseInt(FrstCntnr.style.height);<br />
StartTop+=MenuVerticalCentered==bottom?Sz:Sz/2;if(StartTop<0)StartTop=0}}<br />
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function SizeMenu(C){<br />
var Cmplnt=RLvl==1?FCmplnt:SCmplnt,M=C.FrstMbr,Mi,i,W=0,H=0,Wd,Ht,RI, BRW=C.Lvl==1?BorderWidthMain:BorderWidthSub,BTWn=C.Lvl==1?BorderBtwnMain:BorderBtwnSub;<br />
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while(M!=null){W+=Math.round((M.Arr[5]<1?(M.Arr[5]*(M.Lvl==1?FWinW:SWinW)):(M.Arr[5]*FntFc)));Mi=M;M=M.PrvMbr}<br />
W+=((C.NrItms-1)*BTWn+2*BRW);<br />
Ht=H=Math.round((Mi.Arr[4]<1?(Mi.Arr[4]*(Mi.Lvl==1?FWinH:SWinH)):(Mi.Arr[4]*FntFc)));H+=(2*BRW)}<br />
else { while(M!=null){H+=Math.round((M.Arr[4]<1?(M.Arr[4]*(M.Lvl==1?FWinH:SWinH)):(M.Arr[4]*FntFc)));Mi=M;M=M.PrvMbr}<br />
H+=((C.NrItms-1)*BTWn+2*BRW);<br />
Wd=W=Math.round((Mi.Arr[5]<1?(Mi.Arr[5]*(Mi.Lvl==1?FWinW:SWinW)):(Mi.Arr[5]*FntFc)));W+=(2*BRW)}<br />
C.style.width=W+P_X;C.style.height=H+P_X;<br />
M=C.FrstMbr;<br />
while(M!=null){<br />
if(M.Arr[5]<1){W=C.Lvl<=FirstLineHorizontal?(M.Arr[5]*(M.Lvl==1?FWinW:SWinW)):Wd;MstSz=1}<br />
else W=(C.Lvl<=FirstLineHorizontal?M.Arr[5]:Wd)*FntFc;<br />
if(M.Arr[4]<1){H=C.Lvl<=FirstLineHorizontal?Ht:(M.Arr[4]*(M.Lvl==1?FWinH:SWinH));MstSz=1}<br />
else H=(C.Lvl<=FirstLineHorizontal?Ht:M.Arr[4])*FntFc;<br />
W=Math.round(W);H=Math.round(H);<br />
if(M.value.indexOf(<)==-1){<br />
M.tpd=TopPaddng<0?(Math.round(H*.5-M.Arr[12]*FntFc)):TopPaddng;if(M.tpd<0||M.tpd>H)M.tpd=0;<br />
M.ltp=LeftPaddng;if(M.ltp<0||M.ltp>W)M.ltp=0;<br />
if((NavYes&&!Opr7)||MacExp5||Cmplnt){M.lx=M.ltp;M.tx=M.tpd}}<br />
M.style.width=W-M.lx+P_X;M.style.height=H-M.tx+P_X;<br />
M.style.paddingLeft=M.ltp+P_X;M.style.paddingTop=M.tpd+P_X;<br />
if(M.ro){RI=(M.Lvl==1?FLoc:ScLoc).document.images[M.rid];RI.style.width=W+P_X;RI.style.height=H+P_X}<br />
if(M.CCn)SizeMenu(M.CCn);<br />
M=M.PrvMbr}}<br />
<br />
function PosMenu(Ct,Tp,Lt){<br />
RLvl++;<br />
var a,Mb=Ct.FrstMbr,MWt=parseInt(Mb.style.width)+Mb.lx,<br />
MHt=parseInt(Mb.style.height)+Mb.tx,CWt=parseInt(Ct.style.width),CHt=parseInt(Ct.style.height),CCw,CCh,STp,SLt,Ti,Li,Hi,<br />
BRW=RLvl==1?BorderWidthMain:BorderWidthSub,BTWn=RLvl==1?BorderBtwnMain:BorderBtwnSub;<br />
if(RLvl==1&&AcrssFrms)!MenuFramesVertical?Tp=BottomUp?DistFrmFrameBrdr:FWinH-CHt-DistFrmFrameBrdr:Lt=RightToLeft?DistFrmFrameBrdr:FWinW-CWt-DistFrmFrameBrdr;<br />
if(RLvl==2&&AcrssFrms)!MenuFramesVertical?Tp=BottomUp?SWinH-CHt:0:Lt=RightToLeft?SWinW-CWt:0;<br />
if(RLvl==2){Tp+=VerCorrect;Lt+=HorCorrect}<br />
Ct.style.top=RLvl==1?Tp+P_X:0;Ct.OrgTop=Tp;Ct.style.left=RLvl==1?Lt+P_X:0;Ct.OrgLeft=Lt;<br />
if(RLvl<=FirstLineHorizontal){Hi=1;Li=CWt-MWt-2*BRW;Ti=0}<br />
else{Hi=Li=0;Ti=CHt-MHt-2*BRW}<br />
while(Mb!=null){<br />
Mb.style.left=Li+BRW+P_X;Mb.style.top=Ti+BRW+P_X;<br />
if(Mb.CCn){<br />
if(RightToLeft)CCw=parseInt(Mb.CCn.style.width);<br />
if(BottomUp)CCh=parseInt(Mb.CCn.style.height);<br />
if(Hi){STp=BottomUp?Ti-CCh:Ti+MHt+2*BRW;SLt=RightToLeft?Li+MWt-CCw:Li}<br />
else{ SLt=RightToLeft?Li-CCw+ChildOverlap*MWt+BRW:Li+(1-ChildOverlap)*MWt+BRW;<br />
STp=RLvl==1&&AcrssFrms?BottomUp?Ti-CCh+MHt:Ti:BottomUp?Ti-CCh+(1-ChildVerticalOverlap)*MHt+2*BRW:Ti+ChildVerticalOverlap*MHt}<br />
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a=RLvl<=FirstLineHorizontal?BottomUp?9:3:RightToLeft?6:0;<br />
if(Mb.ai){ Mb.ai.style.top=(RLvl<=FirstLineHorizontal?BottomUp?2:MHt-Arrws[a+2]-2:(MHt-Arrws[a+2])/2)+P_X;Mb.ai.style.left=(RightToLeft?2:MWt-Arrws[a+1]-2)+P_X}<br />
Mb=Mb.PrvMbr;<br />
if(Mb){MWt=parseInt(Mb.style.width)+Mb.lx;MHt=parseInt(Mb.style.height)+Mb.tx;Hi?Li-=MWt+BTWn:Ti-=MHt+BTWn}}<br />
RLvl--}<br />
<br />
function StMnu(){<br />
if(Crtd){ var i,Pntr=FrstCntnr,Str=ScLoc.SetMenu?ScLoc.SetMenu:0;<br />
while(Str.indexOf(_)!=-1&&RememberStatus==1){<br />
i=Pntr.NrItms-parseInt(Str.substring(0,Str.indexOf(_)));Str=Str.slice(Str.indexOf(_)+1);<br />
Pntr=Pntr.FrstMbr;for(i;i;i--)Pntr=Pntr.PrvMbr;Pntr.OM();Pntr=Pntr.CCn}<br />
i=Pntr.NrItms-parseInt(Str);Pntr=Pntr.FrstMbr;<br />
for(i;i;i--) Pntr=Pntr.PrvMbr;<br />
if(RmbrNow!=null){SetItem(RmbrNow,0);RmbrNow.Clckd=0}<br />
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<TD><IMG alt=Quotes And Statements Of The Week src=http://www.bennettmornings.com/images/home/podium.jpg align=left border=0> <STRONG><A name=0></A>Statement By Bill Bennett, Sep. 30, 2005</STRONG> <BR>From the Desk of William J. Bennett September 30, 2005 <BR><BR>On Wednesday, a caller to my radio show proposed the idea that one good argument for the pro-life position would be that if we didn't have abortions, Social Security would be solvent. I stated my doubts about such a thesis, as well as my opposition to such a form of argument (the audio of the call is available at my Website: bennettmornings.com). <BR><BR>I then stated that such extrapolations of this argument can cut both ways, and cited the current bestseller, Freakonomics, which discusses the authors' thesis that abortion reduces crime. <BR><BR>Then, putting my philosophy professor's hat on, I went on to reveal the limitations of such arguments by showing the absurdity in another such argument, along the same lines. I entertained what law school professors call 'the Socratic method' and what I would hope good social science professors still use in their seminars. In so doing, I suggested a hypothetical analogy while at the same time saying the proposition I was using about blacks and abortion was 'impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible,' just to ensure those who would have any doubt about what they were hearing, or for those who tuned in to the middle of the conversation. <BR><BR>The issues of crime and race have been on many people's minds, and tongues, for the past month or so--in light of the situation in New Orleans; and the issues of race, crime, and abortion are well aired and ventilated in articles, the academy, the think tank community, and public policy. Indeed the whole issue of crime and race is not new in social science, nor popular literature. One of the authors of Freakonomics, himself, had an extended exchange on the discussion of these issues on the Internet some years back--which was also much debated in the think tank community in Washington. <BR><BR>A thought experiment about public policy, on national radio, should not have received the condemnations it has. Anyone paying attention to this debate should be offended by those who have selectively quoted me, distorted my meaning, and taken out of context the dialogue I engaged in this week. Such distortions from 'leaders' of organizations and parties is a disgrace not only to the organizations and institutions they serve, but to the First Amendment. <BR><BR>In sum, let me reiterate what I had hoped my long career had already established: that I renounce all forms of bigotry--and that my record in trying to provide opportunities for, as well as save the lives of, minorities in this country stands up just fine. <BR><BR><BR><BR><IMG alt=Quotes And Statements Of The Week src=http://www.bennettmornings.com/images/home/podium.jpg align=left border=0> <STRONG><A name=1></A>Bill Bennett Interview on Fox News' <I>Hannity & Colmes</I> Regarding Race, Crime, Etc.</STRONG> <BR>Courtesy of Fox News Channel/9-29-2005 <BR><BR>First, our top story tonight is the controversy surrounding radio talk show host Bill Bennett. Yesterday on his radio show, Mr. Bennett -- Dr. Bennett was quoted as saying. I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you cold abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down...that would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky. <BR><BR>The comments have drawn criticism today from Senate minority leader Harry Reid who said he was appalled. Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy who called them racist and from House minority leader Nancy Pelosi who said they were shameful. Bill Bennett joins us now in an exclusive interview to talk about these comments. <BR><BR>Dr. Bennett, we appreciate you coming on tonight. <BR><BR>DR. BILL BENNETT, MORNING IN AMERICA HOST: Thank you. <BR><BR>COLMES: Might give you an opportune to put them in context and explain. <BR><BR>BENNETT: Sure. Well, the context was a radio show that I was doing yesterday, and the topic was abortion and we were talking about bad arguments in regard to abortion. A caller suggested he was opposed to abortion because he said if there were more babies there would be, eventually, more tax payers and a larger GNP, a smaller deficit. I said you want to be careful with that kind of argument because someone could postulate a situation where child's not likely to be a productive taxpayer. I said, arguments in which you take something that's far out, like the GNP and try to connect it up with abortion are tricky. I said make the case of abortion on the basis of life and protecting life. I said abortion is invoked in another way; you could make an argument that if you wanted to lower the crime rate, you saw the quote; you could practice abortion in very large numbers. You could do it in the black community; you could do it in other places. This is, by the way, the subject of a book for economics by a professor at Yale. <BR><BR>I said, however, if you were to practice that, widespread abortion in the black community or any other community, it would be ridiculous, impossible, and I appreciate you putting it on the screen, morally reprehensible. So I think morally reprehensible, when that is included in the quote makes it perfectly clear what my position is. A number of the people whom you have cited as condemning me have not made the inclusion of that remark, and so they make it seem, Alan, as if I am supporting such a monstrous idea, which of course I don't. <BR><BR>COLMES: Here's my concern. The root cause of crime, one would debate, it seems to be poverty. And from your remarks, I wonder if people might interpret it as saying the root cause of crime is race. And that debate about is it race is it poverty? What really is the root cause? And race affects people of all races and creeds and I think that's why... <BR><BR>BENNETT: Poverty. Poverty affects people of all races. Let me tell you what bothers me first, because I'm always candid with you. What bothers me is that last night on your radio show, you were all over me, Alan. And, you know, I was really surprised. You know me, you've known me for a long time and the fact that you would give credence to the notion that I would believe such a thing is very disturbing. I've had 1,000 opportunities when people have said to me what about that Alan Colmes, isn't he a jerk or a liberal this -- I've always said he's always a gentleman, he's nice to me. I run a radio show in which we don't yell at people, we don't make fun of them. We have liberals and conservatives and we deal with sensitive and important public policies issues and we do it in a responsible way. But people need to follow the argument and the argument I was making here is entirely plausible. The causes of crime are very complicated. But there is a very big literature, as you know, about single parenthood in crime, about race in crime, and about poverty in crime. And we've been talking about all these things lately in the context of New Orleans and other things. <BR><BR>COMES: Let me talk to you... <BR><BR>BENNETT: There are real things in the real world, and there are people who believe we should take such monstrous steps. <BR><BR>COLMES: Let me talk about what I said on my radio show. <BR><BR>BENNETT: I do not. <BR><BR>COLMES: Dr. Bennett -- Bill, because you know, I do consider you someone -- we've been good to each other. I like you. I think you respect me. <BR><BR>BENNETT: Yes sir. <BR><BR>COLMES: I was really shocked. <BR><BR>BENNETT: Have been. <BR><BR>COLMES: And I plaid what you said and the whole context of what you said. Frankly, I was just shocked by it. I don't believe you're a racist. I don't think that you believe those things. I was just shocked by what I heard and I -- basically there was a lot of callers calling up and commenting on it after I played your comments. And a lot of other people were shocked that you would have -- in the context you said it, say the things you said. <BR><BR>BENNETT: Well, you know, to put forward a hypothesis, a morally impossible hypothesis to show why it is morally impossible and reprehensible seems to me is a standard way of talking about public policy and a standard way of teaching. You know, I've taught philosophy for years and one argues in the hypothetical all the time. People have said such outrageous things, Alan, about race and this is not unknown to our history. It's certainly not unknown to our history -- to the history of Europe, recently. It's not unknown to the history of Islam. And what we have -- you've got to be able to make an argument and say look, you may be thinking you're going to achieve some good end, but you can't use a monstrous means to do it. You know, this is like a Swift's modest proposal for people who remember their literature. You put things up in order to examine them. I put it up, examined it, and said that is ridiculous and impossible no matter who advances that idea. <BR><BR>COLMES: All right, we got -- Sean will be with you in the next segment. There are some statistics, you know, that talk about how African- Americans are treated disparagingly in the criminal justice and, you know, we could debate whether or not there really is a greater prejudice against African-Americans and whether they are incarcerated disproportionately. <BR><BR>BENNETT: Yeah. <BR><BR>COLMES: But look we got to take a break and we'll continue with you... <BR><BR>BENNETT: Those are big complicated questions... <BR><BR>COLMES: And later, there more political fallout on Capitol Hill today over the indictment of Congressman Tom Delay. We'll take you behind closed doors to one of the most powerful members in the House. <BR><BR>And then Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan, says the suffering of hurricane Katrina has actually brought black Americans together. Is he using the crisis for his own political gain? You don't want to miss this. <BR><BR>And FEMA made a hasty deal in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and it's costing taxpayers $236 million. We'll get to the bottom of this shocking story coming up on HANNITY COLMES, tonight. <BR><BR>(NEWSBREAK) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: And this is a FOX News Alert. You are looking live at the hills of southern California where wildfires are blazing out of control and are threatening to destroy private residences. We have 3,000 firefighters working at this hour to control the blaze, but as you can see from these live pictures, they're still burning pretty hot. We're gong to keep you updated throughout the hour. We'll bring you new pictures as we get them and let you know as this developes. We hope they can put that out. I was out in southern California in Hope Ranch when this happened. It is devastating. <BR><BR>Also coming up tonight, now that Tom Delay is out House majority leader, at least temporarily, will issue like immigration reforms, spending on the federal level will suffer. We're going to ask one of the men who is stepping into part of his leadership position. <BR><BR>And there is some late-breaking information tonight about the man who is prosecuting come to Tom Delay. Is it a publicity stunt for a movie being made about him? We'll tell you about this tonight. <BR><BR>First, we continue with the host of Morning in America. Bill Bennett is back with us. <BR><BR>Bill, first of all, I have known for you many, many years. I know your faith, I know your character, I know who you are. You're a former secretary of education, former drug czar. This notion that Bill Bennett as is being alleged by prominent democrats has any racist bone in his body is appalling to me. <BR><BR>BENNETT: Yeah. <BR><BR>HANNITY: And I'm glad to hear you say what you said here. I want you to respond to those democrats that are grandstanding, the same ones that had Robert Bird, the former Klansman as their leader. The ones that didn't speak out about Congressman Wrangle's Bull Connor remark. <BR><BR>BENNETT: Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's see, you got Kennedy. I will -- I'll not take instruction from Teddy Kennedy. A young woman likely drowned because of his negligence. I'll take no moral instruction with him. That's much worse than legal gambling what Teddy Kennedy did. He should make no judgments at all about people. He shouldn't be in the Senate. As far as racist and all this other stuff, I'll put my record up with Howard Dean, with Harry Reid. <BR><BR>When I was drug czar, you bet, we were working on the issue of black crime, Alan and Sean, because there was a lot of crime in the black community. And you know who most of the victims are? Their black people. Yeah, black violence -- black-on-black violence is very serious. I went to about 120 inner city communities. That's where the senate wanted me to go, that's where the Senate wanted me to go, that's where I wanted to go. We went after public housing and we went after the bad guys. And you know what? We got the bad guys. And drug use went down. And we raised the price and lowered the purity of cocaine. And we arrested four of the most powerful drug dealers in the world. And got a lot of these guys off the street. And I am very proud of that. Because when we went into the inner city black community, the people said to me, Mr. Czar, or Czar, or Mr. Benet, you get those people off the street and protect us. And we did our best to do it. <BR><BR>Before that, when I was secretary of education, I took on what I think is one of the great civil rights issues of our time, which is educational opportunity and educational choice. The stupid ghettoized curriculum we have, the fact that these black kids go to lousy schools and aren't allowed to choose the schools of their choice because they don't have the money and don't have the opportunity. <BR><BR>I've been at this for 25 years and I have been called everything in the book, but I will stay at what I do because I believe it. <BR><BR>Let me just tell you, when it comes to abortion, my wife's program, best friends, has kept more young women from having abortions because they don't get pregnant because they take her good counsel... <BR><BR>HANNITY: Let me... <BR><BR>BENNETT: Than the entire black caucus. She has done more for inner city black girls than the entire black caucus. So I will not bow my head to any of these people. I will not give up the ground of compassion and sympathy. But I'll tell you, we have real issues and we have got to talk about them candidly. And if you don't think there are people who are making draconian proposals about abortion and this and that and the other thing, you know, you don't know the nature... <BR><BR>HANNITY: Let me ask you this. I want to ask you about the nature of debate in this society. <BR><BR>BENNETT: Sure. <BR><BR>HANNITY: I go back to the Bill Maher issue. I don't like -- I don't even like Bill Maher. We disagree on just about everything. But Bill Maher said one statement and his entire history of support in the military was cast aside and people focused on one thing. I said wait a minute, that's wrong. Here's Bill Bennett, here's Trent Lott. One statement, there's no room to apologize, explain, put into context, revise or extend one's remarks because people want to hop on it. We now see the democrats trying to do right now with you and trying to put you in a position of characterizing you, or categorizing you as something you are not. What does that tell you about debate and free speech in the country today? <BR><BR>BENNETT: It's bad. You know, if you could do an analysis -- it would be interesting to do an analysis. All day I've been reading reports and statements by people about me, Sean, and it's interesting, some use the whole quote and are fair, some don't. And that tells you something. But the problem, I think, on the liberal side, the democratic side is they attitudinize, they condemn but they don't have a program. <BR><BR>You know, the president -- I hope the president pays for this program in New Orleans, but he's got a program, and it's some interesting ideas about enterprise zones and school choice, and giving people opportunities, you know, with the loans and the green lining and they ought to be tried. Because these are ideas that might actually help the poor as opposed to maintaining the welfare state, which does not help poor people at all. It's destroyed a lot of families and it has created circumstances in which more poor people and more black people have had to suffer. What's lifted, the economic life and reduced crime in the black community has been hope and opportunity and education and enterprise. <BR><BR>HANNITY: Let me ask you one last question. <BR><BR>BENNETT: And that I think is much more, I have to tell you on this side of the aisle, I want to politicize this because there are good people on both sides. <BR><BR>HANNITY: Explain. I want you to explain, though, for people that see that one quote, that read that one quote, what do you say to them? <BR><BR>BENNETT: What I say to them, Sean, is if they were given the impression that I, you know, am in favor of such a horrible idea as, you know, my critics are suggesting, they need to look at the whole quote. I don't believe that. And I'm sorry that people have misrepresented my views so much that that has given folks that impression. You're right about a person's life. I've got a life, you know, take me in the totality of my actions and I'll tell you, I will stand with my record. <BR><BR>One must be very careful one gets into these arguments and we try to do it. But, you know, we try on this show to do serious and controversial issues. And it's a big country and it's a free country. We don't put liberals down. We don't put people down with whom we disagree. We talk about serious things in a serious way. And if you're not allowed to talk about these subjects, then it's not the country it's supposed to be. <BR><BR>You've got to be able to condemn these horrible ideas as I did. <BR><BR>HANNITY: Bill Bennett, appreciate you being on the program. <BR><BR>BENNETT: Thank you. Thank you guys. <BR><BR>HANNITY: Thank you very much. <BR><BR>And come upping next, Tom Delay will be fighting charges in court. So, you will be fighting for the GOP (SIC) in Congress. We'll talk to one republican leader next. <BR><BR>And who was the man going after the House majority leader, Tom Delay? We have late-breaking information tonight that he is allowing film makers to make a movie about him. Is this all part of a script? We'll give you the details. Much more to come. <BR><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<P><FONT color=#333300><EM><STRONG>(Considering how much importance the *right* religion is going to play in our future Supreme Court, I thought it was ironic that I found this at the Professional Ethics site. http://ethics.tamucc.edu/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/1656216)</STRONG></EM></FONT></P><br />
<P><A href=http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,3034570.story?track=hpmostemailedlink>http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,3034570.story?track=hpmostemailedlink</A><BR></P><br />
<H1>The dark side of faith</H1>By ROSA BROOKS<BR><BR>October 1, 2005<BR><BR>IT'S OFFICIAL: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing. <BR><BR>This is the implication of a study reported in the current issue of the Journal of Religion and Society, a publication of Creighton University's Center for the Study of Religion. The study, by evolutionary scientist Gregory S. Paul, looks at the correlation between levels of popular religiosity and various quantifiable societal health indicators in 18 prosperous democracies, including the United States.<BR><BR>Paul ranked societies based on the percentage of their population expressing absolute belief in God, the frequency of prayer reported by their citizens and their frequency of attendance at religious services. He then correlated this with data on rates of homicide, sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, abortion and child mortality.<BR><BR>He found that the most religious democracies exhibited substantially higher degrees of social dysfunction than societies with larger percentages of atheists and agnostics. Of the nations studied, the U.S. — which has by far the largest percentage of people who take the Bible literally and express absolute belief in God (and the lowest percentage of atheists and agnostics) — also has by far the highest levels of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. <BR><BR>This conclusion will come as no surprise to those who have long gnashed their teeth in frustration while listening to right-wing evangelical claims that secular liberals are weak on values. Paul's study confirms globally what is already evident in the U.S.: When it comes to values, if you look at facts rather than mere rhetoric, the substantially more secular blue states routinely leave the Bible Belt red states in the dust.<BR><BR>Murder rates? Six of the seven states with the highest 2003 homicide rates were red in the 2004 elections (Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina), while the deep blue Northeastern states had murder rates well below the national average. Infant mortality rates? Highest in the South and Southwest; lowest in New England. Divorce rates? Marriages break up far more in red states than in blue. Teen pregnancy rates? The same.<BR><BR>Of course, the red/blue divide is only an imperfect proxy for levels of religiosity. And while Paul's study found that the correlation between high degrees of religiosity and high degrees of social dysfunction appears robust, it could be that high levels of social dysfunction fuel religiosity, rather than the other way around. <BR><BR>Although correlation is not causation, Paul's study offers much food for thought. At a minimum, his findings suggest that contrary to popular belief, lack of religiosity does societies no particular harm. This should offer ammunition to those who maintain that religious belief is a purely private matter and that government should remain neutral, not only among religions but also between religion and lack of religion. It should also give a boost to critics of faith-based social services and abstinence-only disease and pregnancy prevention programs.<BR><BR>We shouldn't shy away from the possibility that too much religiosity may be socially dangerous. Secular, rationalist approaches to problem-solving emphasize uncertainty, evidence and perpetual reevaluation. Religious faith is inherently nonrational. <BR><BR>This in itself does not make religion worthless or dangerous. All humans hold nonrational beliefs, and some of these may have both individual and societal value. But historically, societies run into trouble when powerful religions become imperial and absolutist.<BR><BR>The claim that religion can have a dark side should not be news. Does anyone doubt that Islamic extremism is linked to the recent rise in international terrorism? And since the history of Christianity is every bit as blood-drenched as the history of Islam, why should we doubt that extremist forms of modern American Christianity have their own pernicious and measurable effects on national health and well-being? <BR><BR>Arguably, Paul's study invites us to conclude that the most serious threat humanity faces today is religious extremism: nonrational, absolutist belief systems that refuse to tolerate difference and dissent. <BR><BR>My prediction is that right-wing evangelicals will do their best to discredit Paul's substantive findings. But when they fail, they'll just shrug: So what if highly religious societies have more murders and disease than less religious societies? Remember the trials of Job? God likes to test the faithful. <BR><BR>To the truly nonrational, even evidence that on its face undermines your beliefs can be twisted to support them. Absolutism means never having to say you're sorry. <BR><BR>And that, of course, is what makes it so very dangerous. <br />
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<a class="ntl" title="please note...the title line of the previous post were...." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-please-note-the-title-line-of-the-previous-post-were--22095.html">please note...the title line of the previous post were....</a><br />
sim's words, not mine. Refer to her/his post.
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<a class="ntl" title="Don't think you read the same article, THAT IS THE TITLE...see the link I posted..." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Don-39t-think-you-read-the-same-article-THAT-IS-THE-TITLE-see-the-link-I-posted--42212.html">Don't think you read the same article, THAT IS THE TITLE...see the link I posted...</a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="Did you notice the question mark at the end of the article's title?" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Did-you-notice-the-question-mark-at-the-end-of-the-article-39s-title--46765.html">Did you notice the question mark at the end of the article's title?</a><br />
Do you understand the meaning of "potential?" Imagine that. Judges have a "natural predisposition" toward complying with the DEMOCRATIC WILL OF THE PEOPLE. What a crazy and novel idea. <br />
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The truth has been out there for quite a while now. There is no THERE there. This is sheer lunacy, but hey, knock yourselves out. Nobody's listening to this garbage and the entire nation has much more pressing issues to worry about, but to remind you of them here would be a complete waste of time, in view of this myopic obsessive fixation of a marginalized tiny fringe minority of the GOP (which has been recently denounced by other, more intelligent republicans).
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<a class="ntl" title="Provide a link to the document with that title. None of the official copies I've seen use the wor" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Provide-a-link-to-the-document-with-that-title-None-of-the-official-copies-I-39ve-seen-use-the-wor-57653.html">Provide a link to the document with that title. None of the official copies I've seen use the wor</a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="I remember the debate. And of course this is not word for word, I NEVER said...sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-I-remember-the-debate-And-of-course-this-is-not-word-for-word-I-NEVER-said-sm-3445.html">I remember the debate. And of course this is not word for word, I NEVER said...sm</a><br />
*because I'm not.* This is a LIE that I got tired of arguing with them about then. Unless you are confusing me with an old poster that went under the moniker Demo.
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<a class="ntl" title="Sambo thinks last word=best word... " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Sambo-thinks-last-word-best-word--24700.html">Sambo thinks last word=best word... </a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="yep. Its Fox. Just googled it. word for word. nm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-yep-Its-Fox-Just-googled-it-word-for-word-nm-27055.html">yep. Its Fox. Just googled it. word for word. nm</a><br />
<P>nm</P><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="Not one word. One defitinion of a word. " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Not-one-word-One-defitinion-of-a-word--53528.html">Not one word. One defitinion of a word. </a><br />
Cult: 1. A system of religious worship or ritual. <br />
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Or how about this:<br />
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Cult: A system or community of religious worship and ritual.<br />
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Or my personal favorite:<br />
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Cult: A self-identified group of people who share a narrowly defined interest or perspective.<br />
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<a class="ntl" title="or maybe a BOOK " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-or-maybe-a-BOOK--48568.html">or maybe a BOOK </a><br />
<P>try one. You might like.</P><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="Bible not bad book at all..." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Bible-not-bad-book-at-all--70.html">Bible not bad book at all...</a><br />
...and should have its basic tenets taught right alongside of those of the Qur'an and the holy books of all other major world religions. Students of any age who wish to read the Bible in my opinion should certainly be able to do so anytime they wish. Same for all other holy/religious writings. A person's education really isn't complete without a fundamental understanding of all of the religions that shape our world. <br />
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I would however sign any petition that forces anyone to do anything in the spirit of indoctrination or exclusion, or against any requirement that implies that THIS is the one true holy book and you WILL read it even if your negligent atheist going-to-hell-parents wouldn't force you to do it at home (and we're coming for them soon too - better join us if you know what's good for you). Unfortunately that is how this kind of requirement is perceived by many people in our current political climate - including me. And unfortunately, I believe this is exactly the attitude held by those who try to force such requirements into the public schools.<br />
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I don't think it qualifies as a "random act of kindness" - but rather as a deliberate act of religious supremacism. <br />
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<a class="ntl" title="But every book she writes goes to #1. sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-But-every-book-she-writes-goes-to-1-sm-6574.html">But every book she writes goes to #1. sm</a><br />
She is unbelievably wealthy and she can always fall back on her law degree. I don't think she is hurting.
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<a class="ntl" title="Woodward's book" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Woodward-39s-book-8148.html">Woodward's book</a><br />
<P>Cannot wait to read Woodward's new book, however, most of us with eyes wide open have known this even before Bush's war.</P><br />
<P>YIPES! Foley..what were you thinking? Do as I say, not as I do? <BR><BR>Concerning Chavez's remarks. What better place to scream and holler than at the UN? There have been many heated debates and speeches over the years. Secondly, America, land of freedom and free speech, even for foreigners. I have no problems with what Chavez said, in fact, I agree with him. The democratic leaders who spoke out against Chavez and defended the president need to realize that if the shoe was on the other foot, do they actually think Bush, Cheney, Rove, Snow, Rice, Rumsfeld would defend them? Republicans play dirty, there is proof of that all around, Democrats try not to, however, it has gotten us no where. It is time to play as dirty as the other side. Chavez did not state lies, he stated the truth. If you do not agree, explain then our foreign policy for the last 50+ years, explain our presence in Iraq, even as most Iraqi's are wanting us out or dead. Bringing Democracy to Iraq, oh please. You cannot force an ideology on people with the barrel of a gun. When we do leave Iraq, whenever that is, it will not resemble any type of Democracy that we have ever seen. We have given a gift to Iran with our invasion of Iraq.</P><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="Book Proceeds" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Book-Proceeds-10507.html">Book Proceeds</a><br />
Yep, was just posting information. Funneling the money to the kids is a way to get the book published. I am sure there are under-the-counter things going on, and I figure the Brown and Goldman families will tie it up anyway as well they should. As to those poor kids...I don't know if there are anough couches in the US to fix them. And that sociopath father of theirs could not care less. If he cared one whit about those kids he would not have murdered their mother and left her mutilated body lying on the sidewalk for them to possibly find. Sick, sick puppy.
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guy wrote who said "three <a class=word href=http://www.mtstars.com/medical_transcription/Arizona/>Arizona</a> reports on condition of anonymity" told him they overheard it. Chalk this one up to unsubstantiated rumor in my books. If someone knows of a link where McCain admitted this, I would be interested in it. If it is true, she should have slapped the cr*p out of him. I am not so naive as to think that other Presidents have not called their wives foul names and vice versa. I can just imagine during the Clinton years.... lol ....remember all the unsubstantiated rumors about Hillary using the "F" word to the secret service people and calling them all kinds of names? I think that is what is happening here. Any time someone says they speak on condition of anonymity makes me suspicious out of the gate.
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<a class="ntl" title="Book banning VP?" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Book-banning-VP--23997.html">Book banning VP?</a><br />
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<P>If SP tried to ban library books as mayor, what will she do if she becomes president, which is very likely since JM is not healthy. Isn't there something in the bill of rights about freedom of speech? I am a book lover and this really makes me angry.<IMG src=http://forum.mtstars.com/smileys/tickedoff.gif></P><br />
<P>http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html</P><br />
<P>Former Mayor John] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor. </P>
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<a class="ntl" title="I would like to suggest a book....." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-I-would-like-to-suggest-a-book--25688.html">I would like to suggest a book.....</a><br />
"People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck, <a class=word href=http://www.mtstars.com/medical_transcription/MD/>MD</a> - excellent book and he makes reference to several other books that are good reads. This book is about the true meaning of evil - from a scientific perspective. It is not about "possession" but he participated in a few exorcisms performed by many people of different faiths, he said (and don't quote me) that the basic requirement was just that the participants love the afflicted enough to want to help them. He states that "possession" is extremely rare, but he witnessed it up close and personal when the patient was thought to be mentally ill. I have owned this book for years and every time I lend out my copy and don't get it back, another one presents itself at a yard sale, library book sale, whatever.
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career. And then you should read on his website what he proposes for this country. And then you should read up on socialism. Not saying that to be demeaning. I don't think he is a socialist...I KNOW he is a socialist.
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<a class="ntl" title="book smart isn't everything" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-book-smart-isn-39t-everything-27771.html">book smart isn't everything</a><br />
I've known a lot of educated people who don't know a thing about real life. Need some life experience and common sense to go anywhere.
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<P>vetted. It is regarded as trash by all other than extreme right thinkers. The author made 8 corrections in the second print already. that was only weeks after publication. I have a great idea. Instead of insisting people wear flag pins let us change this country back to the democracy we can be proud off. The country is based on inspiring ideas. Internal change is much more legit than external. How you ask. I myself am working for my candidate in my community to spread the word. We are successfully awakening the spirit of the nation. We have gathered hundreds of young voters and driven them to the polling place to register and vote. The sleeping giant is stirring and a youthful new leader has emerged to restore us to the greatest nation in history. If you don't believe me, check out this morning's edition of Vast Variety, the newspaper of those in the know.</P><br />
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participants and it is in her best book selling interest if he WINS. She makes no secret she supports him. A moderator is supposed to be NEUTRAL.
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I didn't know about the book until now. The point being...it is known about now, she knew it then, she should not have taken the job. What if they had chosen Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter? Would that be okay with you? Geez.
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<a class="ntl" title="I must have missed that book" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-I-must-have-missed-that-book-34831.html">I must have missed that book</a><br />
in the bible that calls for voting for McCain/Palin. I'll have to look again.<br />
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I believe Jesus was a radical, but I still don't see where he calls for a specific candidate.
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<a class="ntl" title="history book??" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-history-book--41318.html">history book??</a><br />
Revelations?? Give me an enormous break. Even the stuff that is pseudo-historical is more like little kids playing telephone. Revelations works better as a sci-fi novel than as a history book. & anyway, since when are predictions anything like history? What, the "history" of a bunch of people guessing some stuff? Good grief. This is why I really despise Christianity. You have to embrace the concept of satan, evil, the anti-christ, all those hideous concepts, in order to be a true believer. It's fine to believe whatever you like, just make sure your right to believe stops at my right not to be infringed upon by some fairy tale.
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<a class="ntl" title="The one who is going to write a book " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-The-one-who-is-going-to-write-a-book--49225.html">The one who is going to write a book </a><br />
for our country and how he kept our country safe for the last 7 years from terrorists. He could not state it while he was in office, but now he can write a whole book about him being in office. I felt much more secure with Bush than I will with O as he still scares me.
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<a class="ntl" title="no history book here" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-no-history-book-here-52929.html">no history book here</a><br />
just internet babble. I can copy/paste too!
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