I'm wondering how long that support will last...
Posted By: Zville MT on 2009-02-18
In Reply to: GOP Governors Support Obama - sm
when the money starts coming in and it's not as much as they thought they would get. I read in our local newspaper today that states with lower unemployment rates will get less money than those with higher rates.
Now, to me this makes sense, but I can already hear about how 'that's not fair' and 'everyone should get the same.' Should be interesting to watch.
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Is Obama losing support or winning support?
John Clodfelter of Mechanicsville, Va., whose son was among the 17 sailors killed in the Cole bombing, said he arrived at the meeting with apprehension over the decision to close the prison. But after listening to the president and being assured that the terrorism suspects would not be released, Mr. Clodfelter said his opinion changed.
“I did not vote for the man,” Mr. Clodfelter said, “but the way he talks to you, you can’t help but believe in him. He left me with a very positive feeling that he’s going to get this done right.”
You'll be waiting a long, long time, then, cuz she's going to do
He died a long, long time ago! (If he was ever
Don't force your beliefs on others. It further devalues your faith in the eyes of others.
O's votes support his claims. JM's votes support Bush.
Believe what you like. Voting records tell the tale. Could use a few more details on that budget. Just what programs will he slash and and how many tax dollars will be directed away from middle class and in the direction of the rich? How much longer can the infrastructure afford to crumble?
JM adopted O's withdrawal plan when he saw how well it went over with the public in an election year. He flipped on the war once. What's to stop him from flipping again once elected? The nation is war weary. Some prefer a surge in diplomacy, not military answers to diplomatic failures. Ask the Iraqis who have lost more than 100,000 among them how sucessful the war has been. Obama has always understood that the OBL/Taliban live in Afganistan, not Iraq. JM, a little slow on the draw there.
I see nothing in JMs platform that backs his claims about transparency. I see specific plan on the O side under technology initiatives, continued initiatives which originated under Clinton and were reversed during the undercover Bush administration. Pork barrel spending for pubs means something different than it does to dems. Slash the poor to give to the rich? Hard seel in the current economic frefall. Also find nothing in JM's plan to address runaway contract corruption in Iraq. Having Halliburton and companies there props up those struggling American corporations. Show me the plan.
Antiglobal/antidiplomacy. No surprise there. This is about the futureworld, not American imperial delusions of grandeur. So much data on the drilling scam being an immediate relief for gas problems out there it is not worth addressing. Can you say T-Bone Pickens, i.e., we can't drill our way out of this one. He should know. Been an oil man all his life.
Since these are just a few, what else do you have up your sleeve?
I was wondering how it all came to be
I was just about to do some searching on the Internet to learn how all this happened in the first place.
You explained it in a way that I can understand it.
Thank you very much for your research and the link provided too.
I was wondering about that myself.... nm
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Just wondering s/m
I've been out most of the day and was hoping to see something new. Do you all EVER stop and look back at how many times you have posted the SAME thing? It is just unbelievable from a bunch of MTs who are supposedly well-educated and intelligent. Happy Obama bashing all you pubs. I don't know what you're so worried about, your guy will win in the end and even if he does or doesn't, neither one of them are going to lower your taxes! Did anyone hear about Chrysler/GM now needing a few bil???????? Step right up big biz, next?, next?
something I have been wondering
It seems to me that this campaign has been more divisive than any I recall, and I am not a young person so I have seen a few! Emotions are really running high this year. Has it always been this highly charged and I didn't notice or is it really so much more tense in 2008? Is it because I age I am feeling more at stake here? Does anyone else feel this way or am I way out there?
You know what I'm wondering?
Where did all the posters with actual monikers go? For the most part all posts seem to be signed with the ending of a sentence lately. If I couldn't sign a post I sure as heck wouldn't post it. Not surprising though I guess since these Obama haters have taken over the board, which as I've said before, I seriously doubt they are even MTs.
Yep. I am just wondering what all the...
faithful are going to think if the great and powerful O is elected and they wake up and find out this ain't Kansas anymore, and the ruby slippers are long gone. lol. sigh.
You know what I'm wondering?
Where did all the posters with actual monikers go? For the most part all posts seem to be signed with the ending of a sentence lately. If I couldn't sign a post I sure as heck wouldn't post it. Not surprising though I guess since these Obama haters have taken over the board, which as I've said before, I seriously doubt they are even MTs.
You know what I'm wondering?
Where did all the posters with actual monikers go? For the most part all posts seem to be signed with the ending of a sentence lately. If I couldn't sign a post I sure as heck wouldn't post it. Not surprising though I guess since these Obama haters have taken over the board, which as I've said before, I seriously doubt they are even MTs.
Right, was wondering if that is where this came from nm
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I am just wondering...
How many of these rude comments about these politicians would be stated if they had to be backed up by a reliable source??
I was wondering what you think we ought to do with
the people housed in Gitmo? Where should they go? Back to their countries where they can plot and then carry out their next terrorist attack? Or do you want them housed here in the continental U.S. at a correction facility near you? I live within 80 miles of Fort Leavenworth and I can tell you, I'm not pleased with the idea of a hundred or so terrorists that close to my family!
I'm wondering..............sm
Obama didn't specifically mention MT in his comments, at least what was in the above post. I admit I didn't listen to the link. I wonder if he might have been referring to things like call centers, etc., which I really would consider unskilled labor.
Wondering
Okay, I don't like Obama. Does this mean I'm not a democrat? According to this board, I must be a Republican. Can I not be an Independent? Or what about just being an American who doesn't pick a side, but goes with my my own feelings based on what a man says and does? All this talk about the government doing this and the government taking that. Last I checked, the people were the government in the US, so we are all doing this and taking that and allowing this. I'm an American with an opinion, so quit putting me in a category.
Just wondering...
what would happen to this country if the 2% that are expected to pay for all of this just up and leave the country, never to pay US taxes again? Even if half left? Who would sustain our government then?
What I am wondering is are these 8 to
10,000 dead people receiving monthly benefit checks as well? If so, what is happening to that money?
I'm just wondering...
how someone could think statutory rape would be funny, no matter whose daughter they're talking about. Letterman needs to get a clue.
Just wondering,
why this seems to give you so much joy? I think most of the people that voted for Bush (myself included) see that what he did was not the best idea, but I don't see how dragging it all out for the world to see is going to make it better. Why is it we can't just let it go and move on? Would that be so terrible?
Just wondering,
why this seems to give you so much joy? I think most of the people that voted for Bush (myself included) see that what he did was not the best idea, but I don't see how dragging it all out for the world to see is going to make it better. Why is it we can't just let it go and move on? Would that be so terrible?
We were wondering if it really WAS America.
Happily things seem to be rolling along again.
Hope we won't hear too much whining about innocent until proven guilty however - DeLay's indictment spells it right out and despite his predictable claims of witch hunt and fanatic partisan vendetta, there really doesn't seem to be any question about what happened. They have the check copies and they have the testimony. So yes, we have to wait for the formal sentencing after the facts have been heard by the Grand Jury - but there is no other side to the story so far as I can see, and no alternate explanation possible about what happened.
In the court of public opinion, DeLay is dead meat. Sweet.
Wondering if you realize....
that every single one of the comments you are talking about were directed at me, and there are quite a few others. Just wondering if you know how they made me genuinely feel. Just wondering.
Anyone been wondering just how much longer
this Sam person is going to totally monopolize and bully this forum, before the moderator finally steps in and boots her off?
Not what I said. Just wondering why we continue getting
and not a single person can stop and show a bit more humanity....that's all.
Hiya, Sam! (Was wondering where you were -)
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I bet within a year, you will be wondering WHY you
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Wondering about Georgia. s/m
Are they like Arkansas? We may be hillbillies but we have enough sense to step on politicians when they don't deliver. The Democrat who replaced Mike Huckabee got the mess straightened out in this basically Republican state. I don't know of any individual cities who have their hand out here either. Seems like states, cities AND people all want a piece of the free money. Like all the posts here and elsewhere waiting for Obama to fill their hands with all that free cash. EVERYBODY needs to wake up:
This is a little story about four people named everybody,somebody,anybody and nobody.
There was an important job to be done and everybody was sure that somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it but nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was everybody's job.
Everybody thought that anybody could do it but nobody realized that everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that everybody blamed somebody when nobody did what anybody could have done.
Just wondering if anyone else agrees
I think this may just be the best idea I've seen for bailout money yet. While I realize that a lot of people who have been responsible with their money and do not have a large amount of debt disagree with bailing out those who do have a lot of debt, I try to keep in mind that not everybody's circumstances are the same and sometimes it is not irresponsibility with money management but a lack of money to manage, for which I try to bear in mind, again, that there are many reasons for.
Anyway, just looking for thoughts and opinions, as this seems to me to be a win-win type of solution where bailouts are given, consumers and corporations reap benefits, and it is not a complete give away as at least part of the money would be paid back. Just seems like something that might actually give the economy the boost it needs right now. And if bailouts are going to be given anyway, I like the idea proposed here. Not to mention that the consumer can opt in or out depending on what they want to do. What do you guys think?
I was wondering the same thing
I haven't seen her in months. She probably just got sick and tired of the same thing. She was attacked so much for her viewpoints I don't blame her for not coming back. I do agree with the O-Love-A-Thon going on. That's all I see now and then when someone does post something of interest they are immediately attacked. It's just gotten quite nauseating and creepy. Besides a few articles here and there nobody is giving any information anymore.
I like Ann Coulter. I don't have her books. I don't go out of my way to watch her but if she's on I'll listen to her. What I like about her is she is not afraid to get up and tell the truth and she knows she'll get bashed for it but she handles herself really well. I have no idea why she agreed to go on the view knowing the way they are. The funny thing was that couldn't argue with the truth so they then started in with she's mean, she's this, she's that, but they couldn't argue with the facts.
I too miss sam and her insights. I do believe she also got sick of the crap and left. I know I did. Still wish there were two boards so they could have their love-fest and we could discuss the issues. I do miss that. With the exception of one or two that do bring good information, the rest just like to attack.
Okay, got my flame resistent suit on.
Sam, if you do read this know that we miss you here.
Honestly wondering
I didn't vote for O, but I think he wants to be a honest, decent president. What I'm wondering is, what is all this hoopla doing to his ego? Who wouldn't be swayed by the fawning, adoring fans, the coronation-like atmosphere in the media and the comparisons to Martin Luther King and Lincoln? How can this NOT give him an inflated sense of self-importance?
So, I'm wondering, when it comes time for him to enter the White House, is his head going to be too big to fit through the door?
He has a serious and important job to do. I wish this day would be treated with the importance it deserves, but not with the carnival atmosphere I've seen displayed.
I was kinda wondering about that myself
Considering the veil of secrecy the previous administration operated under, I'm kinda stunned that they're making this an issue. I don't remember this outrage when Cheney held his secret covert meetings to form energy policy with the members of the oil cartels. That directly impacted each and every one of us as it served to guide policy, yet I don't recall this outrage from the right regarding that.
I'm an independent (the real kind, not like Bill O), but I'm just a bit amazed about the short memories some people seem to have if they Obama is raising the fear level.
I guess I am wondering by your
reply what would be your response had this teacher been fired 10-20 years ago had he been gay, black or hispanic, promoting socialism and he would have been walking against the tide as it were? Would you have agreed with that decision or would you have said it was unfair to fire him for daring to be his own person even though it put him out of the mainstream?
I was wondering if you would be reading the posts
I'm just astounded that in the year 2008 we have such ignorance in people who spew words without researching them. I guess bigotry is still alive in your section of the country but in my region (and the region I grew up in which is way on the other side) we were taught to love everyone like our own sister or brother. You don't judge people and you dont' make fun of people because of the way they look, speak, dress or what their freakin middle name is! It's odd that when someone comes out and tells you they are a Christian and they go to a Christian church so many people are focused on trying to say otherwise. Reminds me of what I read about Benjamin Franklin who wrote in his papers that he was a Diest yet after he died people kept trying to say he was a Christian. Then of course there are the people who will probably pull out the bible and try and find some passage in there to support their viewpoint (even if it takes them a whole week or more to find one). But to come out and acuse someone of being the antichrist is just rediculous and downright childish. You know who I read was the antichrist....Prince William!! Go figure! So who is right? Bush may have done some things that he should go to jail for but that doesn't make him an antichrist and for pitty sake...Barack has done absolutely nothing! Do you hear me....nothing that would qualify him as being an antichrist. Guess that goes to show you that anytime someone doesn't like someone they are quick to name him as the antichrist. Sure I can't stand Bush. I think he's one of the worst presidents we've had (well second worst - first worst was Billy Boy Clinton), but I'm not going to label anyone as the antichrist. I guess I just never really knew any biggots and closed minded people until I started reading some of the posts! Glad I live amonth free thinking people who want a leader we can count on, we can trust, and who votes for the right things and against the wrong.
All of this abortion talk has me wondering... sm
Doesn't anyone believe in adoption anymore? I know this is a discussion about abortion and the govt. etc., but it makes me wonder. I read these posts about all the babies that are aborted and maybe they are better off because of the homes they might be coming from if they weren't aborted. It just seems like that it is an either or, abortion or keep the baby. There is another option and it is an option that most extreme groups won't even mention. I have heard from pro-lifers and not once have they said anything about adoption and when I asked, they looked at me like I had 2 heads.
It just seems that more people would consider adoption as a choice. I know that if I got pregnant when I was younger and didn't think I could raise the child, adoption would definitely be on the top of my list. I'm not against abortion and do realize that there are reasons for why people choose them that I cannot comprehend and I don't feel like the women who have them suffer no consequences, but I just wish that adoption would be chosen before abortion.
Link inside on why. Wondering if you know
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/09/04/2007-09-04_rudy_giuliani_talks_hurricane_emergency_.html
Vote DID NOT PASS. Just wondering
what happens next. I totally do not agree with what they want US (average person) to do. They need to go after the corporate crooks. Unbelievable. I think they tried to RUSH this package. No one knows what they are doing.
I have been wondering too. She has been MIA for a couple of days now. nm
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anyone else wondering how much damage Bush can do in the next few months?
Wondering where the money is coming from for this stimulus?? sm
and then saw this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulp_96DYiqg
Okey dokey, was wondering, thanks for the post!..nm
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I have been wondering when Bush is going to announce an economic emergency. sm
I have been trying to draw people into discussing the economy. People do not respond. I do not know if it is denial or they do not understand.
And who would u support?
Is this Tara again?
I don't support HRC but......she has won the
That means, for the people that actually turn out to vote, she has gotten their votes, which is what a democracy is all about. Delegates are not constitutional in the first place....they were illegally put in place to supposedly keep one state from taking over the voting process; however, super delegates are completely illegal and have absolute conflict of interest.
So, Obama has NOT won the popular vote.....HRC has. I don't care for either of them, but looking at Obama's bedfellows, it's quite clear where his thoughts really lie and I certainly don't want anyone like that running my country. We are taxed enough without representation of those taxes and he has made it quite clear, all he wants to do is RAISE taxes and GIVE TO THE POOR. Pleeeeeze, we have so many social programs in my county alone, it's pathetic. THe ones geared towards children are not working, Headstart is just a babysitter for a bunch of teenage moms (in my city) who sit all day, DO NOT work, and are so lazy, they can't even get off their butts and walk their 3 year old out the Headstart bus that picks their children up curbside. Stand at the door in their PJ's, kids aren't even dressed when the bus comes, and the lady has to get off the bus and stand hollering for them to come on NOW. It's sickening to watch. And, Obama wants more of that? How about calling it what it is.......children who aren't learning in school are not learning because they go home to sloppy lazy parents, some no parents at all, living with whoever they're push off on, and homework is the last thing considered important. The only meal most get is at HeadStart OR free lunches at school. Until Obama wants to call it what it is and stop blaming the education system, then he's no better than any other candidate who just likes to point fingers instead of getting a backbone and say what the problem really is......NO parents, drunk parents, doped up parents.....the list goes on and on......
They support NRA
so you can hunt and so you can defend yourself if someone tries to hurt you. It is called self defense. Killing an innocent child isn't self defense....it is called murder and it is also selfish. I just don't understand why some of you people would rather save a rapists and murders life and you don't believe in the death penalty for criminals but you have no problem ending the life of an innocent child who has done nothing wrong and has no choice in the matter.
I support what we need to do -
I do not say I am against war in general - I am against a war that should never have been! I do not want to send my son to die based on lies and deceit.
And yes we have schools in this country - but they are all underfunded and could use a lot of that money we are putting into building Iraqi schools...
We have programs to feed our hungry - but not enough to cover all the hungry or needy!
I just do not think we should be putting our resources into other countries when our country is so in need. Not only our financial resources, but our human resources (our soldiers).
What does that mean.......if we all support?
It is not the job of my country to support or supply contraceptives to anyone outside this country. If those countries want to stop their pregnancies, they will have to figure that out for themselves, not with my dollars.
Maybe start by sterilization? Not our job to "support" any country monetarily to take care of their population of obviously unwanted births. Yes, I will verbally support they stop the reason for the pregnancies in the first place, but I do not agree to my having to pay for it.
That's their problem!
We should support him? Not if we do not like
That is like saying Hail to Hitler because WE HAVE TOO, even though we all know how he turned out. I am not saying O is like that, but gee whiz, I WILL NOT SUPPORT HIM OR GOVERNMENT if I do not like what they are doing and so far, I DO NOT. In fact, give my money back from the last bailout and I REFUSE FOR MY MONEY GOING TO NEW FURNITURE IN AN OFFICE, MONEY FOR PRODUCERS TO MAKE MOVIES THAT SOME FRANKLY SUCK AND SO ON.
Sorry, just irritated with our government who frankly SUCK AT THEIR JOB!
I don't have to support anything I don't believe in...
and I believe we got shanghied into another Vietnam. Sadam Hussein was a vicious dictator, but he kept the lid on that boiling pot. Who supplied him with arms and training in the first place? I have family who served in desert storm and were recycled through this cluster and I still don't support it. Army suicides are at an all-time high, why? Because they believe in what they are doing? It's a crushing shame how our troops have been treated. And that's all I have to say about that.
You don't have to support anything you don't believe in....
We already have to protect ourselves - my uncle's house was broken into the other day, someone else in the community was broken into and their pet dog was stomped to death. I saw on the news a group of 4 armed men attempting to break into a home and the homeowner saw them and had fast access to a weapon and a firefight broke out. You haven't seen nuthin' yet. Wait till the food pantries empty out.........everybody better be armed and dangerous and don't ever fool yourself into believing our country isn't already occupied by terrorists - because it is. I will fight to the death (already have cancer, might as well go out with style instead of in a diaper).
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