All of this abortion talk has me wondering... sm
Posted By: Kiki on 2008-08-25
In Reply to: I wish the government would stay out of my uterus - XanaX
Doesn't anyone believe in adoption anymore? I know this is a discussion about abortion and the govt. etc., but it makes me wonder. I read these posts about all the babies that are aborted and maybe they are better off because of the homes they might be coming from if they weren't aborted. It just seems like that it is an either or, abortion or keep the baby. There is another option and it is an option that most extreme groups won't even mention. I have heard from pro-lifers and not once have they said anything about adoption and when I asked, they looked at me like I had 2 heads.
It just seems that more people would consider adoption as a choice. I know that if I got pregnant when I was younger and didn't think I could raise the child, adoption would definitely be on the top of my list. I'm not against abortion and do realize that there are reasons for why people choose them that I cannot comprehend and I don't feel like the women who have them suffer no consequences, but I just wish that adoption would be chosen before abortion.
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All righty then....let's talk about abortion...and infanticide....
planned murder, not natural disaster. Leaving babies to die in soiled linen rooms. McCain has never been for it, never will be for it. Obama voted against the Infants Born Alive bill twice. And abortion has killed more Americans than all natural disasters and all wars combined. So if we are going to talk about body counts, it is a lot higher on your side.
When is someone on your side going to stand up and admit some culpability in that???
My belief? "late-term abortion" or partial-birth abortion" = infanticide, it is sickening
So in these cases I do think, as in most things, there is no ABSOLUTE, but a judicious guideline for this should be investigated and established by the medical community, as far as survival/outcome, but then we must be willing to prosecute mothers and doctors who go outside the guidelines...with established jail terms....and more money to house these "criminals" for years. Why not let God by the ultimate judge, He has the wisdom and the power, and eternity without God is worse than anything we as humans can mandate, don't you think?
meant is against abortion...didn't mean supports abortion (NM)
I was wondering how it all came to be
I was just about to do some searching on the Internet to learn how all this happened in the first place.
You explained it in a way that I can understand it.
Thank you very much for your research and the link provided too.
I was wondering about that myself.... nm
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Just wondering s/m
I've been out most of the day and was hoping to see something new. Do you all EVER stop and look back at how many times you have posted the SAME thing? It is just unbelievable from a bunch of MTs who are supposedly well-educated and intelligent. Happy Obama bashing all you pubs. I don't know what you're so worried about, your guy will win in the end and even if he does or doesn't, neither one of them are going to lower your taxes! Did anyone hear about Chrysler/GM now needing a few bil???????? Step right up big biz, next?, next?
something I have been wondering
It seems to me that this campaign has been more divisive than any I recall, and I am not a young person so I have seen a few! Emotions are really running high this year. Has it always been this highly charged and I didn't notice or is it really so much more tense in 2008? Is it because I age I am feeling more at stake here? Does anyone else feel this way or am I way out there?
You know what I'm wondering?
Where did all the posters with actual monikers go? For the most part all posts seem to be signed with the ending of a sentence lately. If I couldn't sign a post I sure as heck wouldn't post it. Not surprising though I guess since these Obama haters have taken over the board, which as I've said before, I seriously doubt they are even MTs.
Yep. I am just wondering what all the...
faithful are going to think if the great and powerful O is elected and they wake up and find out this ain't Kansas anymore, and the ruby slippers are long gone. lol. sigh.
You know what I'm wondering?
Where did all the posters with actual monikers go? For the most part all posts seem to be signed with the ending of a sentence lately. If I couldn't sign a post I sure as heck wouldn't post it. Not surprising though I guess since these Obama haters have taken over the board, which as I've said before, I seriously doubt they are even MTs.
You know what I'm wondering?
Where did all the posters with actual monikers go? For the most part all posts seem to be signed with the ending of a sentence lately. If I couldn't sign a post I sure as heck wouldn't post it. Not surprising though I guess since these Obama haters have taken over the board, which as I've said before, I seriously doubt they are even MTs.
Right, was wondering if that is where this came from nm
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I am just wondering...
How many of these rude comments about these politicians would be stated if they had to be backed up by a reliable source??
I was wondering what you think we ought to do with
the people housed in Gitmo? Where should they go? Back to their countries where they can plot and then carry out their next terrorist attack? Or do you want them housed here in the continental U.S. at a correction facility near you? I live within 80 miles of Fort Leavenworth and I can tell you, I'm not pleased with the idea of a hundred or so terrorists that close to my family!
I'm wondering..............sm
Obama didn't specifically mention MT in his comments, at least what was in the above post. I admit I didn't listen to the link. I wonder if he might have been referring to things like call centers, etc., which I really would consider unskilled labor.
Wondering
Okay, I don't like Obama. Does this mean I'm not a democrat? According to this board, I must be a Republican. Can I not be an Independent? Or what about just being an American who doesn't pick a side, but goes with my my own feelings based on what a man says and does? All this talk about the government doing this and the government taking that. Last I checked, the people were the government in the US, so we are all doing this and taking that and allowing this. I'm an American with an opinion, so quit putting me in a category.
Just wondering...
what would happen to this country if the 2% that are expected to pay for all of this just up and leave the country, never to pay US taxes again? Even if half left? Who would sustain our government then?
What I am wondering is are these 8 to
10,000 dead people receiving monthly benefit checks as well? If so, what is happening to that money?
I'm just wondering...
how someone could think statutory rape would be funny, no matter whose daughter they're talking about. Letterman needs to get a clue.
Just wondering,
why this seems to give you so much joy? I think most of the people that voted for Bush (myself included) see that what he did was not the best idea, but I don't see how dragging it all out for the world to see is going to make it better. Why is it we can't just let it go and move on? Would that be so terrible?
Just wondering,
why this seems to give you so much joy? I think most of the people that voted for Bush (myself included) see that what he did was not the best idea, but I don't see how dragging it all out for the world to see is going to make it better. Why is it we can't just let it go and move on? Would that be so terrible?
We were wondering if it really WAS America.
Happily things seem to be rolling along again.
Hope we won't hear too much whining about innocent until proven guilty however - DeLay's indictment spells it right out and despite his predictable claims of witch hunt and fanatic partisan vendetta, there really doesn't seem to be any question about what happened. They have the check copies and they have the testimony. So yes, we have to wait for the formal sentencing after the facts have been heard by the Grand Jury - but there is no other side to the story so far as I can see, and no alternate explanation possible about what happened.
In the court of public opinion, DeLay is dead meat. Sweet.
Wondering if you realize....
that every single one of the comments you are talking about were directed at me, and there are quite a few others. Just wondering if you know how they made me genuinely feel. Just wondering.
Anyone been wondering just how much longer
this Sam person is going to totally monopolize and bully this forum, before the moderator finally steps in and boots her off?
Not what I said. Just wondering why we continue getting
and not a single person can stop and show a bit more humanity....that's all.
Hiya, Sam! (Was wondering where you were -)
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I bet within a year, you will be wondering WHY you
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Wondering about Georgia. s/m
Are they like Arkansas? We may be hillbillies but we have enough sense to step on politicians when they don't deliver. The Democrat who replaced Mike Huckabee got the mess straightened out in this basically Republican state. I don't know of any individual cities who have their hand out here either. Seems like states, cities AND people all want a piece of the free money. Like all the posts here and elsewhere waiting for Obama to fill their hands with all that free cash. EVERYBODY needs to wake up:
This is a little story about four people named everybody,somebody,anybody and nobody.
There was an important job to be done and everybody was sure that somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it but nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was everybody's job.
Everybody thought that anybody could do it but nobody realized that everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that everybody blamed somebody when nobody did what anybody could have done.
Just wondering if anyone else agrees
I think this may just be the best idea I've seen for bailout money yet. While I realize that a lot of people who have been responsible with their money and do not have a large amount of debt disagree with bailing out those who do have a lot of debt, I try to keep in mind that not everybody's circumstances are the same and sometimes it is not irresponsibility with money management but a lack of money to manage, for which I try to bear in mind, again, that there are many reasons for.
Anyway, just looking for thoughts and opinions, as this seems to me to be a win-win type of solution where bailouts are given, consumers and corporations reap benefits, and it is not a complete give away as at least part of the money would be paid back. Just seems like something that might actually give the economy the boost it needs right now. And if bailouts are going to be given anyway, I like the idea proposed here. Not to mention that the consumer can opt in or out depending on what they want to do. What do you guys think?
I was wondering the same thing
I haven't seen her in months. She probably just got sick and tired of the same thing. She was attacked so much for her viewpoints I don't blame her for not coming back. I do agree with the O-Love-A-Thon going on. That's all I see now and then when someone does post something of interest they are immediately attacked. It's just gotten quite nauseating and creepy. Besides a few articles here and there nobody is giving any information anymore.
I like Ann Coulter. I don't have her books. I don't go out of my way to watch her but if she's on I'll listen to her. What I like about her is she is not afraid to get up and tell the truth and she knows she'll get bashed for it but she handles herself really well. I have no idea why she agreed to go on the view knowing the way they are. The funny thing was that couldn't argue with the truth so they then started in with she's mean, she's this, she's that, but they couldn't argue with the facts.
I too miss sam and her insights. I do believe she also got sick of the crap and left. I know I did. Still wish there were two boards so they could have their love-fest and we could discuss the issues. I do miss that. With the exception of one or two that do bring good information, the rest just like to attack.
Okay, got my flame resistent suit on.
Sam, if you do read this know that we miss you here.
Honestly wondering
I didn't vote for O, but I think he wants to be a honest, decent president. What I'm wondering is, what is all this hoopla doing to his ego? Who wouldn't be swayed by the fawning, adoring fans, the coronation-like atmosphere in the media and the comparisons to Martin Luther King and Lincoln? How can this NOT give him an inflated sense of self-importance?
So, I'm wondering, when it comes time for him to enter the White House, is his head going to be too big to fit through the door?
He has a serious and important job to do. I wish this day would be treated with the importance it deserves, but not with the carnival atmosphere I've seen displayed.
I was kinda wondering about that myself
Considering the veil of secrecy the previous administration operated under, I'm kinda stunned that they're making this an issue. I don't remember this outrage when Cheney held his secret covert meetings to form energy policy with the members of the oil cartels. That directly impacted each and every one of us as it served to guide policy, yet I don't recall this outrage from the right regarding that.
I'm an independent (the real kind, not like Bill O), but I'm just a bit amazed about the short memories some people seem to have if they Obama is raising the fear level.
I guess I am wondering by your
reply what would be your response had this teacher been fired 10-20 years ago had he been gay, black or hispanic, promoting socialism and he would have been walking against the tide as it were? Would you have agreed with that decision or would you have said it was unfair to fire him for daring to be his own person even though it put him out of the mainstream?
I was wondering if you would be reading the posts
I'm just astounded that in the year 2008 we have such ignorance in people who spew words without researching them. I guess bigotry is still alive in your section of the country but in my region (and the region I grew up in which is way on the other side) we were taught to love everyone like our own sister or brother. You don't judge people and you dont' make fun of people because of the way they look, speak, dress or what their freakin middle name is! It's odd that when someone comes out and tells you they are a Christian and they go to a Christian church so many people are focused on trying to say otherwise. Reminds me of what I read about Benjamin Franklin who wrote in his papers that he was a Diest yet after he died people kept trying to say he was a Christian. Then of course there are the people who will probably pull out the bible and try and find some passage in there to support their viewpoint (even if it takes them a whole week or more to find one). But to come out and acuse someone of being the antichrist is just rediculous and downright childish. You know who I read was the antichrist....Prince William!! Go figure! So who is right? Bush may have done some things that he should go to jail for but that doesn't make him an antichrist and for pitty sake...Barack has done absolutely nothing! Do you hear me....nothing that would qualify him as being an antichrist. Guess that goes to show you that anytime someone doesn't like someone they are quick to name him as the antichrist. Sure I can't stand Bush. I think he's one of the worst presidents we've had (well second worst - first worst was Billy Boy Clinton), but I'm not going to label anyone as the antichrist. I guess I just never really knew any biggots and closed minded people until I started reading some of the posts! Glad I live amonth free thinking people who want a leader we can count on, we can trust, and who votes for the right things and against the wrong.
Link inside on why. Wondering if you know
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/09/04/2007-09-04_rudy_giuliani_talks_hurricane_emergency_.html
Vote DID NOT PASS. Just wondering
what happens next. I totally do not agree with what they want US (average person) to do. They need to go after the corporate crooks. Unbelievable. I think they tried to RUSH this package. No one knows what they are doing.
I have been wondering too. She has been MIA for a couple of days now. nm
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I'm wondering how long that support will last...
when the money starts coming in and it's not as much as they thought they would get. I read in our local newspaper today that states with lower unemployment rates will get less money than those with higher rates.
Now, to me this makes sense, but I can already hear about how 'that's not fair' and 'everyone should get the same.' Should be interesting to watch.
anyone else wondering how much damage Bush can do in the next few months?
Wondering where the money is coming from for this stimulus?? sm
and then saw this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulp_96DYiqg
Okey dokey, was wondering, thanks for the post!..nm
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I have been wondering when Bush is going to announce an economic emergency. sm
I have been trying to draw people into discussing the economy. People do not respond. I do not know if it is denial or they do not understand.
Abortion is for men. nm
This isn't abortion!
Read it again: the child is already out of the womb and breathing! the child is BORN. Not a fetus.
Your telling me that a child that is born from a botched abortion should be left to die?
That is what this bill is about. If a child is born after an abortion attempt, that it should be treated as a US citizen with all rights of a citizen given, including the right to lifesaving medical care. You don't think that's fair?
Abortion
Haven't you guys who are going on about this given any thought that every time politicians start speaking of abortion, gay marriage, etc., it is a smoke screen. They know how to push our buttons, but then they are always hiding something else. The know if they keep our minds on these types of issues, we won't be paying attention to other under-handed things that are going on.
This is not about abortion. It is about a man who...
voted AGAINST giving medical care infants who survive abortion, who are living and breathing outside the mother and unattached even by the umbilical cord. That is horrific, and frankly I don't feel real good about someone who wants to fight for that TO happen, instead of AGAINST it happening. If he can't muster up enough sympathy for poor children dying alone in a dirty clothes closet, how could I possibly believe he cares about the "middle class?"
Talk about a STRETCH.
abortion
I think that it is sad that people do not believe abortion is murder. I am pregnant by surprise and had an ultrasound at 12 weeks (when many abortions are performed) and was able to see my baby move around and his hands and feet. If that is not a baby, heaven help us all. Having said that, I am not sure that abortion should be illegal. In my heart, I know that it is wrong, but in my head, I also know that it will continue to happen in an unsafe manner if it were to become illegal. However, perhaps not so prevalently, so this is a toughie for me, but I cannot believe that God condones it.
ABORTION
who KNOWS there are other alternatives out there? Come on people!! We all type this stuff...There are sooooo many different kinds of birth control out there. Why wait and kill a baby? Bottom line, that's what abortion is. I just cannot believe the mentality of some of you people. I may not have all the fancy words some of you use but I think this is just common sense. I don't even know that I think a woman should have her "choice" taken away but I do think abortion should not be considered birth control. If you don't want to have a baby and CHOOSE abortion, and it happens again and again, how about an old fashioned TUBAL LIGATION? All this talk truly makes me ill to my stomach.
I'm curious how many of you out there are willing to fess up about an abortion and sharing your feelings about your "choice." My sister had a "choice" to make years ago and she has nightmares about it still. The guilt she has felt is unreal. Maybe some of you do live with yourselves and I honestly think any woman who has made this "choice" and can live with herself without any sort of guilt EVER, is just a very hard person.
Abortion
I agree
you won't go into abortion because........ sm
somewhere, deep inside, you know it is murder...a sin in God's eyes just as much as adultery.
The issue is not about choice (and I have other views on that word as well) but about the taking of innocent lives who have no voice to speak for themselves. As far as welfare....it's coming already and it won't be me who pays, unless that top income bracket keeps spiraling downward into the low 5-figure numbers which is not an impossibility.
On abortion
Solomon's wisdom still at work today.....
A worried woman went to her gynecologist and said:
'Doctor, I have a serious problem and desperately need your help! My baby is not even 1 yr. old and I'm
pregnant again. I don't want kids so close together.'
So the doctor said: 'Ok, and what do you want me to do?'
She said: 'I want you to end my pregnancy, and I'm counting on your help with this.'
The doctor thought for a little, and after some silence he said to the lady: 'I think I have a better solution
for your problem. It's less dangerous for you too.' She smiled, thinking that the doctor was going to accept
her request.
Then he continued: 'You see, in order for you not to have to take care of 2 babies at the same time, let's
kill the one in your arms. This way, you could rest some before the other one is born. If we're going to kill
one of them, it doesn't matter which one it is. There would be no risk for your body if you chose the one in your
arms.'
The lady was horrified and said: 'No doctor! How terrible! It's a crime to kill a child!'
'I agree', the doctor replied. 'But you seemed to be ok with it, so I thought maybe that was the best
solution.' The doctor smiled, realizing that he had made his point.
He convinced the mom that there is no difference in killing a child that's already been born and one that's
still in the womb. The crime is the same!
Oh if our current judicial system could only understand this fact.
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