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Just wondering if anyone else agrees

Posted By: (sm) on 2008-12-30
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I think this may just be the best idea I've seen for bailout money yet. While I realize that a lot of people who have been responsible with their money and do not have a large amount of debt disagree with bailing out those who do have a lot of debt, I try to keep in mind that not everybody's circumstances are the same and sometimes it is not irresponsibility with money management but a lack of money to manage, for which I try to bear in mind, again, that there are many reasons for.

Anyway, just looking for thoughts and opinions, as this seems to me to be a win-win type of solution where bailouts are given, consumers and corporations reap benefits, and it is not a complete give away as at least part of the money would be paid back. Just seems like something that might actually give the economy the boost it needs right now. And if bailouts are going to be given anyway, I like the idea proposed here. Not to mention that the consumer can opt in or out depending on what they want to do. What do you guys think?

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Just wondering if anyone else agrees - (sm)
- I think they're gonna squander all of it. They've - already done that with some of it -
  - I agree that is what will inevitably happen, - (sm)
    - If our bailed-out auto industry doesn't invest enough - of the money in retooling, and getting
      - Exactly! - (sm)

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not everyone agrees with your "fact"
Not everyone agrees that she wasn't covert. If it were obvious "fact" as you state, it wouldn't have received any attention at all, wouldn't have gone to trial, etc. and Scooter wouldn't be in trouble. It would have been a non-issue.

Hooray! Someone who agrees with me
I am just sick to death of the whole thing. I've gotten to a point when I hear her come on I have to mute the TV as she is well...I can't say the word here. The committee should just say to her. You agreed to the rules, they were fine for you before, but now that you are losing you want to change it. Sorry but that's a no go! I know she'd throw a fit if it was the other way around and Obama was trying to change the rules. I keep thinking...this is the way the elections have been since I can ever remember, and now because it doesn't go in her favor she decides she wants to change the rules? The DNC should just say NO! My hbnd told me the reason we have delegate counts is if it was only popular vote that is what they call mob rule. (don't quote me word for word, just repeating what he said to me). When she was winning the delegates at first she was saying that its all up to the delegates, now that Obama's winning the delegates she's changed her tune and said that the people's vote is what is important. Funny she didn't care about FL & MI before when she was ahead. I think she is despicable as a person, and not someone I want representing our country. Now she's trying to argue that she should be picked over Obama because she believes she is more qualified and will win this fall and Obama won't. She's one of those people who are so arrogant to actually come out and say that. Excuse me, but I guess all the delegates and people who voted for Obama don't think so. And Bill is now saying that she deserves nothing less than the VP slot. Sorry buddy, she lost that a long time ago. As I read in some article that for Obama to put her on the ticket would be an act of terminal insanity. I also understand she's planning to pull something at the convention. And now the latest I'm hearing is Bill is saying that he is prepping Chelsea to run for President - Oh brother! They are all quite a bunch.

Finally - someone who agrees with me
I have read about her & Bill since before they ever got into the white house the first time. Their lives before they met each other, her career in the Rose Law Firm, all the "mysterious circumstances" that happened to people who disagreed with them, etc. They are both a disgrace to the Democratic party and they are tearing it apart for their own personal gain. Sure Barack is not perfect, sure he's going to push unneeded programs that will cost us money, sure I expect our taxes to be higher with him, however, she will do the same thing and worse. She wants a one-world government and she wants to be in charge of it all. I've read that she is pushing for Canada, US & Mexico to be one country and change our currency, among other things. As you said she is an evil self serving person. She cares nothing about people like me. The thing I like about Obama is his public service has shown he cares about people like me. He wants the US to be a great country and he is going to help people like me, and getting the economy back on track and our troops home. I don't trust Clinton because her voting record and the work she has done in her political career has served herself alone. Not the american people. I'm not voting for Clinton because I don't want 4 years of the same thing we had when B Clinton was in. It was a very dark time for our country and all you have to do is read to know that our taxes were the highest EVER when they were in. I don't want to go back to that and our country will be torn apart if she gets in. It just makes me very nervous to know that she is going to try something to just "place" herself in the position because she believes it is hers and nobody elses. She feels she should just be "anointed" into the position, like the Queen of England. On one other note...I could care less about J. Wright and that other minister (luckily a lot of other people feel the same). The minister of a church that he used to go to is not going to affect his position as president, however, the way Hillary has voted in the past, and the dirty money she has received, and the lobbyists who support her will affect her position if she was to be president. Just is a very scary time right now until the convention is finally done with. I'm also very interested to hear some debates between Obama and McCain. What's really getting to her that I laugh at is that it is going to be very very easy to win over McCain and she sees her chance slipping through her fingers. What she isn't realizing though is that if she was the nominee McCain would crush her because of her positions and background. Even the polls have come out and said that Obama is clearly winning over McCain but McCain is winning (or at least neck-n-neck) with Hillary.

It's a conservative site, but not everyone agrees. sm
I post on other conservative sites, as well. I have never been banned for disagreeing. I just never saw posts like the ones you are saying you saw. My main bone of contention is Libby who believes something just because Bill Maher said so and she has no idea what Freepers do. They do a lot of good, especially for injured military and do a lot of things for the military in general. To condemn an entire group for a few bad apples is just not right and I stand by THAT.

The only thing you think is "intelligent" is a view that agrees with yours.
And since you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, that ain't gonna come from here.

I was wondering how it all came to be
I was just about to do some searching on the Internet to learn how all this happened in the first place.

You explained it in a way that I can understand it.

Thank you very much for your research and the link provided too.

I was wondering about that myself.... nm
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Just wondering s/m
I've been out most of the day and was hoping to see something new. Do you all EVER stop and look back at how many times you have posted the SAME thing? It is just unbelievable from a bunch of MTs who are supposedly well-educated and intelligent. Happy Obama bashing all you pubs. I don't know what you're so worried about, your guy will win in the end and even if he does or doesn't, neither one of them are going to lower your taxes! Did anyone hear about Chrysler/GM now needing a few bil???????? Step right up big biz, next?, next?

something I have been wondering
It seems to me that this campaign has been more divisive than any I recall, and I am not a young person so I have seen a few! Emotions are really running high this year. Has it always been this highly charged and I didn't notice or is it really so much more tense in 2008? Is it because I age I am feeling more at stake here? Does anyone else feel this way or am I way out there?

You know what I'm wondering?
Where did all the posters with actual monikers go? For the most part all posts seem to be signed with the ending of a sentence lately. If I couldn't sign a post I sure as heck wouldn't post it. Not surprising though I guess since these Obama haters have taken over the board, which as I've said before, I seriously doubt they are even MTs.

Yep. I am just wondering what all the...
faithful are going to think if the great and powerful O is elected and they wake up and find out this ain't Kansas anymore, and the ruby slippers are long gone. lol. sigh.

Right, was wondering if that is where this came from nm
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I am just wondering...
How many of these rude comments about these politicians would be stated if they had to be backed up by a reliable source??

I was wondering what you think we ought to do with
the people housed in Gitmo? Where should they go? Back to their countries where they can plot and then carry out their next terrorist attack? Or do you want them housed here in the continental U.S. at a correction facility near you? I live within 80 miles of Fort Leavenworth and I can tell you, I'm not pleased with the idea of a hundred or so terrorists that close to my family!

I'm wondering..............sm
Obama didn't specifically mention MT in his comments, at least what was in the above post. I admit I didn't listen to the link. I wonder if he might have been referring to things like call centers, etc., which I really would consider unskilled labor.

Wondering
Okay, I don't like Obama. Does this mean I'm not a democrat? According to this board, I must be a Republican. Can I not be an Independent? Or what about just being an American who doesn't pick a side, but goes with my my own feelings based on what a man says and does? All this talk about the government doing this and the government taking that. Last I checked, the people were the government in the US, so we are all doing this and taking that and allowing this. I'm an American with an opinion, so quit putting me in a category.

Just wondering...
what would happen to this country if the 2% that are expected to pay for all of this just up and leave the country, never to pay US taxes again? Even if half left? Who would sustain our government then?

What I am wondering is are these 8 to
10,000 dead people receiving monthly benefit checks as well? If so, what is happening to that money?

I'm just wondering...
how someone could think statutory rape would be funny, no matter whose daughter they're talking about. Letterman needs to get a clue.

Just wondering,
why this seems to give you so much joy? I think most of the people that voted for Bush (myself included) see that what he did was not the best idea, but I don't see how dragging it all out for the world to see is going to make it better. Why is it we can't just let it go and move on? Would that be so terrible?

We were wondering if it really WAS America.
Happily things seem to be rolling along again.

Hope we won't hear too much whining about innocent until proven guilty however - DeLay's indictment spells it right out and despite his predictable claims of witch hunt and fanatic partisan vendetta, there really doesn't seem to be any question about what happened. They have the check copies and they have the testimony. So yes, we have to wait for the formal sentencing after the facts have been heard by the Grand Jury - but there is no other side to the story so far as I can see, and no alternate explanation possible about what happened.

In the court of public opinion, DeLay is dead meat. Sweet.

Wondering if you realize....
that every single one of the comments you are talking about were directed at me, and there are quite a few others. Just wondering if you know how they made me genuinely feel. Just wondering.

Anyone been wondering just how much longer

this Sam person is going to totally monopolize and bully this forum, before the moderator finally steps in and boots her off?

Not what I said. Just wondering why we continue getting
and not a single person can stop and show a bit more humanity....that's all.

Hiya, Sam! (Was wondering where you were -)
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I bet within a year, you will be wondering WHY you
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Wondering about Georgia. s/m

Are they like Arkansas? We may be hillbillies but we have enough sense to step on politicians when they don't deliver. The Democrat who replaced Mike Huckabee got the mess straightened out in this basically Republican state. I don't know of any individual cities who have their hand out here either. Seems like states, cities AND people all want a piece of the free money. Like all the posts here and elsewhere waiting for Obama to fill their hands with all that free cash. EVERYBODY needs to wake up:

This is a little story about four people named everybody,somebody,anybody and nobody.

There was an important job to be done and everybody was sure that somebody would do it.

Anybody could have done it but nobody did it.

Somebody got angry about that because it was everybody's job.

Everybody thought that anybody could do it but nobody realized that everybody wouldn't do it.

It ended up that everybody blamed somebody when nobody did what anybody could have done.

I was wondering the same thing
I haven't seen her in months. She probably just got sick and tired of the same thing. She was attacked so much for her viewpoints I don't blame her for not coming back. I do agree with the O-Love-A-Thon going on. That's all I see now and then when someone does post something of interest they are immediately attacked. It's just gotten quite nauseating and creepy. Besides a few articles here and there nobody is giving any information anymore.

I like Ann Coulter. I don't have her books. I don't go out of my way to watch her but if she's on I'll listen to her. What I like about her is she is not afraid to get up and tell the truth and she knows she'll get bashed for it but she handles herself really well. I have no idea why she agreed to go on the view knowing the way they are. The funny thing was that couldn't argue with the truth so they then started in with she's mean, she's this, she's that, but they couldn't argue with the facts.

I too miss sam and her insights. I do believe she also got sick of the crap and left. I know I did. Still wish there were two boards so they could have their love-fest and we could discuss the issues. I do miss that. With the exception of one or two that do bring good information, the rest just like to attack.

Okay, got my flame resistent suit on.

Sam, if you do read this know that we miss you here.

Honestly wondering
I didn't vote for O, but I think he wants to be a honest, decent president. What I'm wondering is, what is all this hoopla doing to his ego? Who wouldn't be swayed by the fawning, adoring fans, the coronation-like atmosphere in the media and the comparisons to Martin Luther King and Lincoln? How can this NOT give him an inflated sense of self-importance?

So, I'm wondering, when it comes time for him to enter the White House, is his head going to be too big to fit through the door?

He has a serious and important job to do. I wish this day would be treated with the importance it deserves, but not with the carnival atmosphere I've seen displayed.

I was kinda wondering about that myself
Considering the veil of secrecy the previous administration operated under, I'm kinda stunned that they're making this an issue. I don't remember this outrage when Cheney held his secret covert meetings to form energy policy with the members of the oil cartels. That directly impacted each and every one of us as it served to guide policy, yet I don't recall this outrage from the right regarding that.

I'm an independent (the real kind, not like Bill O), but I'm just a bit amazed about the short memories some people seem to have if they Obama is raising the fear level.

I guess I am wondering by your
reply what would be your response had this teacher been fired 10-20 years ago had he been gay, black or hispanic, promoting socialism and he would have been walking against the tide as it were? Would you have agreed with that decision or would you have said it was unfair to fire him for daring to be his own person even though it put him out of the mainstream?

I was wondering if you would be reading the posts
I'm just astounded that in the year 2008 we have such ignorance in people who spew words without researching them. I guess bigotry is still alive in your section of the country but in my region (and the region I grew up in which is way on the other side) we were taught to love everyone like our own sister or brother. You don't judge people and you dont' make fun of people because of the way they look, speak, dress or what their freakin middle name is! It's odd that when someone comes out and tells you they are a Christian and they go to a Christian church so many people are focused on trying to say otherwise. Reminds me of what I read about Benjamin Franklin who wrote in his papers that he was a Diest yet after he died people kept trying to say he was a Christian. Then of course there are the people who will probably pull out the bible and try and find some passage in there to support their viewpoint (even if it takes them a whole week or more to find one). But to come out and acuse someone of being the antichrist is just rediculous and downright childish. You know who I read was the antichrist....Prince William!! Go figure! So who is right? Bush may have done some things that he should go to jail for but that doesn't make him an antichrist and for pitty sake...Barack has done absolutely nothing! Do you hear me....nothing that would qualify him as being an antichrist. Guess that goes to show you that anytime someone doesn't like someone they are quick to name him as the antichrist. Sure I can't stand Bush. I think he's one of the worst presidents we've had (well second worst - first worst was Billy Boy Clinton), but I'm not going to label anyone as the antichrist. I guess I just never really knew any biggots and closed minded people until I started reading some of the posts! Glad I live amonth free thinking people who want a leader we can count on, we can trust, and who votes for the right things and against the wrong.

All of this abortion talk has me wondering... sm

Doesn't anyone believe in adoption anymore? I know this is a discussion about abortion and the govt. etc., but it makes me wonder. I read these posts about all the babies that are aborted and maybe they are better off because of the homes they might be coming from if they weren't aborted. It just seems like that it is an either or, abortion or keep the baby. There is another option and it is an option that most extreme groups won't even mention. I have heard from pro-lifers and not once have they said anything about adoption and when I asked, they looked at me like I had 2 heads.

It just seems that more people would consider adoption as a choice. I know that if I got pregnant when I was younger and didn't think I could raise the child, adoption would definitely be on the top of my list. I'm not against abortion and do realize that there are reasons for why people choose them that I cannot comprehend and I don't feel like the women who have them suffer no consequences, but I just wish that adoption would be chosen before abortion.

Link inside on why. Wondering if you know
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/09/04/2007-09-04_rudy_giuliani_talks_hurricane_emergency_.html

Vote DID NOT PASS. Just wondering
what happens next. I totally do not agree with what they want US (average person) to do. They need to go after the corporate crooks. Unbelievable. I think they tried to RUSH this package. No one knows what they are doing.

I have been wondering too. She has been MIA for a couple of days now. nm
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I'm wondering how long that support will last...
when the money starts coming in and it's not as much as they thought they would get. I read in our local newspaper today that states with lower unemployment rates will get less money than those with higher rates.

Now, to me this makes sense, but I can already hear about how 'that's not fair' and 'everyone should get the same.' Should be interesting to watch.

anyone else wondering how much damage Bush can do in the next few months?

Wondering where the money is coming from for this stimulus?? sm

and then saw this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulp_96DYiqg

Okey dokey, was wondering, thanks for the post!..nm
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I have been wondering when Bush is going to announce an economic emergency. sm
I have been trying to draw people into discussing the economy. People do not respond. I do not know if it is denial or they do not understand.