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I actually enjoy reading a lot of the liberal stuff...

Posted By: Kendra on 2008-11-12
In Reply to: Thank you - very eloquently put - Just me

I might not agree with it, but as long as it is respectful, part of what I like is to read the other side of issues. I also like a little debate here and there. What I do not like is being called names and treated with disrespect, and of course, this is all ridiculous, but I don't think that it is a liberal versus conservative thing, or even an Obama supporter versus McCain supporter thing. This right here is a bunch of grown ups acting like children, but like most children, they will get bored, so I will just keep checking in for the adults to post.


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I enjoy reading the liberal posts
Thanks for your post, however, I now see the neocons are coming over, so time to sign off.  It kind of makes me nauseous knowing Im on the same page at the same time. 
I agree, and I enjoy reading your posts.


I enjoy reading your posts, Cyndiee (sm)
All the juvenile name calling happens when they don't have an intelligent answer to give.  Those comments fail or succeed on their own merit.  Usually, not much merit given to kindergarten tantrums.
I read on CNN (yes, I do read liberal stuff too..hehe)...sm
...that Karl Rove was actually very disappointed in the McCain campaign for airing negative type ads against Obama.

So I would say that Rove is definitely not in the hip pocket of the McCain campaign.
This stuff again. I thought this OWG stuff went out in the mid 90's.
There is much more to the world than your little conspiracy-laden corner of it. Besides, the ACLU fights these kinds of things tooth and nail. Thank Godess for the libbies.


Are you reading the same thing I am reading? sm
Did you read Mein Kampf?  Would that be good enough evidence for you, because he wrote about it in there. Good grief, you people won't admit when you are wrong and frankly, that is pretty darned frightening!
The so called liberal media is not so liberal anymore...sm
Case and point Fox News is the #1 media outlet via ratings and hardhitting conservative anchors, pundits, and journalists. Other than Hardball, I don't know of another mainstream show that puts the liberal point of view out there and checks this administration and their policies.
liberal hit piece by a liberal deep thinker....
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At least you enjoy something.

Cuz it's been tough watching you mentally unravel and unhinge on this board. 


But once again you are wrong.  I doubt that anyone on this board wants to see an injustice done, no matter what the accused's race, creed or political party affiliation is.  If Clinton had done the Iraq thing I personally would be just as disgusted.


That's where we differ, you and I.  It's all about keeping the courts and this country on the right track and party lines don't matter much.  Judging by your posts it is something you will never understand.


Enjoy while you can...sm
These Social United States of America won't be all it's cracked up to be ....by our soon to be prez.

I'm happy I didn't vote for him, and am in way part of what he's about to try to bring about.

Here ya go...you should enjoy this....(sm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJox3lZGNgg&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
Well I quite enjoy TS
and I am definitely NOT a HE.


Oldtimer - I enjoy your

posts - don't let the extremists bum you out.


 


Not at all. Just enjoy web anonymity like
Last time I checked, that's not a crime and besides that, I enjoy literary license and the freedom to exercise my speech without being told how to do it or what I should be saying. BTW, is Nanaw your given name?
I enjoy all the television

coverage.   They show a lot of behind the scenes stories at this time.  I like to hear from people such as the chief usher of the White House.  Who knew?  I saw a story about the little boy who lives next door to Obama and was writing a book about him.  He was asked if he ever saw Obama mowing the yard or shoveling snow.  The little boy said no.  Cute stuff after all the negativity from the other side during the campaign. No more friend of terrorists and mysterious birth certificates.  This is real America.


 


Why should you give up something you obviously enjoy...sm
just because somebody cyberbullied you?  Ignore their posts.  You should not take anything that is said on this board personally.  Are any of these people your friends or neighbors who interact with you on a daily basis and know the complexities that make you who you are?  No.  If people like you stop posting, then the cyberbullies win and then there is nothing here but hate and meanness.  This world has enough of that, so don't let a few harsh words win out and take away something you enjoy.  So you are important!  This world is made up of a lot of different personalities, that is what makes it interesting.  How boring would it be if there were no cyberbullies to get your mind thinking and your panties in a bunch once in awhile?  Just think if everyone agreed all the time?  When someone says something mean, ignore it, answer back or whatever, but don't let it ruin your day or stop you from being part of something that makes you happy.  Hope you stay. 
I enjoy TS posts
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You probably enjoy JTBB who I can't stand. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't post.


I enjoy them too. Her posts are by far

well thought out posts on this board.  She doesn't deserve the brutal treatment she receives on here, yet she keeps coming back, so I also admire her courage, considering what she's dealing with here.


There were a couple other posters who wrote very good posts too, but they're not here any more, so we're mostly left with junk. 


Please keep posting JTBB.  You're by far the most intelligent person on this board.


Enjoy it while you can. See how you feel a year
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Was "Greta", not Gretchen. I think you enjoy
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if you enjoy books about religion
you should read "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer. It is about some of the fundamentalist Mormon beliefs -- and no, I am not bashing Mormons, just a lot of interesting history and insight into some of these zealots, not regular Mormons.
Thought y'all would enjoy this.

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Ditto! I enjoy her posts, as well. (nm)

I ALWAYS enjoy JTBB's Posts
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Enjoy your vacation......and as a poster down below said.....
I may not agree with your postings all the time, but I love reading them.

Hope you have nice weather if you are going a long distance.
Bye..Bye..Scooter Enjoy Your Time in the Federal Pen
Happy days are here again..**Waiting for the next indictment**..
For Conn MT: Hillary-the Undead. Enjoy..))
http://www.236.com/blog/w/will_durst/hillary_clinton_undead_4987.php
I agree with ms. I enjoy it too. Sam reminds me of my husband. sm
And that is a good thing. LOL. My husband can debate until the cows come home whether it is Obama, McCain, Pelosi, etc. He lays everything out point by point and he isn't nasty about it the way some of the other posters on this board are. And he doesn't have to resort to name calling or whining.

So I say to Sam...You go girl!!.
Kaydie, hope you reconsider. I enjoy

I especially enjoy Olberman's countdown observance.
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Hey JTBB - interesting video you might enjoy
I heard this guy interviewed awhile ago and I thought he was right on. I agree with what he says in this. Thought you might enjoy it. It's an older interview and she has been picked but I thought it was good and I agree with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxwk6fNJZmY&feature=related


I hope you all enjoy working an extra 10 or 20 hours
So you can give it to Obama to give to the people who don't work. I'd rather spend the time with my famiy.
But you are on the politic board - enjoy your hearing your opinion
I'd like to know how you feel about the stimulus package (p.s. - you are on the political board HA HA)

As for Bush/Gore. The country always has been run by whoever wins the delegates is elected. Back then Gore may have had the popular vote (why I have no idea), but Bush had the electoral votes. I don't get it. Every single election if the crats are ahead in electoral votes they boast about following the laws, but if they are not ahead in electoral votes and are ahead in popular vote they try to change the rules and make it law that whoever has popular vote wins and not electoral. It's happened every single election.

But would like to hear your opinion on the stimulus plan.

Various Bush members enjoy profit from human suffering.

Two articles below:


http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-bucky23mar23,1,7624344.story?ctrack=1&cset=true


From the Los Angeles Times


Bush's Uncle Earned Millions in War Firm Sale


An SEC filing shows William H.T. Bush collected about $1.9 million in cash, plus stock valued at $800,000, from the deal.


By Walter F. Roche Jr.
Times Staff Writer

March 23, 2006

WASHINGTON — As President Bush embarks on a new effort to shore up public support for the war in Iraq, an uncle of the commander in chief is collecting $2.7 million in cash and stock from the recent sale of a company that profited from the war.

A report filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission shows that William H.T. Bush collected just under $1.9 million in cash plus stock valued at more than $800,000 from the sale of Engineered Support Systems Inc. to DRS Technologies of New Jersey.

The $1.7-billion deal closed Jan. 31. Both firms have extensive military contracts.

William Bush was a director of Engineered Support Systems. Recent SEC filings show he was paid cash and DRS stock in exchange for shares and options he obtained as a director.

Before DRS purchased it, Missouri-based ESSI experienced record growth as a result of expanded U.S. military contracts — many to supply U.S. efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The contracts, some awarded on a no-bid basis, include a $77-million deal to refit military vehicles with armor for use in Iraq.

Other ESSI products used in the war include radar and detection services, field medical stations and field electrical generator units.

SEC filings show that two federal investigations of ESSI are underway. One inquiry involves a stop order from the government on the field generators. The order was issued because the units didn't operate properly.

The generator contract was a major source of revenue. SEC files show that ESSI did not tell stockholders about the stop order until last June, about seven months after it was issued.

During the interim, several ESSI executives, including Bush's uncle, cashed in stock and stock options worth millions of dollars, the filings show.

According to one recent filing, the SEC and the U.S. attorney in St. Louis are investigating the delayed disclosure and other matters.

Unnamed members of the ESSI board and corporate officers have been subpoenaed in the inquiry, according to documents.

SEC filings show that William Bush, 67, exercised options on 8,348 shares of ESSI stock on Jan. 18, 2005, about two months after the stop order was issued and six months before it was disclosed. He collected about $450,000 in cash.

Bush, known as Uncle Bucky in the president's family, joined ESSI's board in 2000, several months before his nephew became president.

He heads a St. Louis investment firm and is the youngest brother of former President George H.W. Bush.

He declined to comment Wednesday. However, in an interview last year, he said he played no role in ESSI's winning federal contracts.

I don't make any calls to the 202 [Washington, D.C.] area code, he said.

Patricia Williamson, a spokeswoman for DRS, would not comment on the status of the federal investigations.

The company has said it is cooperating in the probes, which also involve an ESSI insurance contract.

_________________________________________________________________


March 22, 2006, 11:58PM


Former first lady's donation aids son


Katrina funds earmarked to pay for Neil Bush's software program


By CYNTHIA LEONOR GARZA
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle


Former first lady Barbara Bush donated an undisclosed amount of money to the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund with specific instructions that the money be spent with an educational software company owned by her son Neil.


Since then, the Ignite Learning program has been given to eight area schools that took in substantial numbers of Hurricane Katrina evacuees.


Mrs. Bush wanted to do something specifically for education and specifically for the thousands of students flooding into the Houston schools, said Jean Becker, former President Bush's chief of staff. She knew that HISD was using this software program, and she's very excited about this program, so she wanted to make it possible for them to expand the use of this program.


The former first lady plans to visit a Houston Independent School District campus using the Ignite program today to call on local business leaders to support schools and education.


The trip to Fleming Middle School is intended to showcase Bush's commitment to education for both Houston-area and New Orleans evacuee students, according to a press release issued Wednesday by Ignite.


Fleming, which has more than 170 New Orleans students, was one of eight area schools chosen by the Harris County Department of Education to receive a donated COW, or Curriculum on Wheels, multimedia program after Hurricane Katrina.


Neil Bush founded Austin-based Ignite Learning, which produces the COW program, in 1999.


Becker said she wasn't at liberty to divulge how much money the Bush family gave to the hurricane funds, but said the rest of their donation was not earmarked for anything.


Nationally, some other donors also specified how they wanted their donations spent, Becker said.


For example, one man wanted his money to go to Habitat for Humanity but via the former presidents' fund. Nearly $1 million has been raised for the local fund and more than $120 million for the national.


Regarding the fact that Bush's earmarked donation also benefited her son's company, Becker said, Mrs. Bush is obviously an enthusiastic supporter of her son. She is genuinely supportive of his program, and has received many letters from educators who support it. Bush honestly felt this would be a great way to help the (evacuee) students.


Barbara and Neil Bush presented the donated programs to Houston-area schools this winter.


Districts that received the free curriculum include Houston, Alvin, Katy, Pearland and Spring and the New Orleans West charter school.


There are 40 Ignite programs being used in the Houston area, and 15 in the Houston school district, said Ken Leonard, president of Ignite.


Information about the effectiveness of the program, through district-generated reports, was not readily available Wednesday, according to an HISD spokeswoman.


Two years ago, the school district raised eyebrows when it expanded the program by relying heavily on private donations.


In February 2004, the Houston school board unanimously agreed to accept $115,000 in charitable donations from businesses and individuals who insisted the money be spent on Ignite. The money covered half the bill for the software, which cost $10,000 per school.


The deal raised conflict of interest concerns because Neil Bush and company officials helped solicit the donations for the HISD Foundation, a philanthropic group that raises money for the district.


HISD school principals decide for themselves whether to spend their budgeted money on Ignite.


Leonard said that in the past six to eight months, the company has hired national sales representatives across the country — in Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Nevada — in hopes of expanding beyond Texas. Currently, about 80 percent of the company's customers are from Texas.


Last year, Neil Bush reportedly toured former Soviet Union countries promoting Ignite with Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky.


According to the Times of London, Berezovsky, a former Kremlin insider now living in Britain, is wanted on criminal charges in Moscow accusing him of seeking to stage a coup against President Vladimir Putin.


The purpose of today's event is to showcase everyone's efforts in helping the hurricane evacuee students who ended up in Houston, Leonard said.


We have a role, but we're not the leader in this, Leonard said. He also acknowledged that his company will benefit from the former first lady's visit.


Barbara Bush is expected to observe both teachers and students using the Ignite Learning program while touring classrooms, according to the Ignite press release.


During a short reception, teachers and students will give testimonials about the program and Bush will encourage community business leaders to have a stronger presence in supporting schools and education, the press release said.


The free-standing instructional tools that are not dependent on the Internet. They include a built-in computer, projector and speakers and come pre-loaded with science and social studies courses.


cynthia.garza@chron.com











 



HoustonChronicle.com -- http://www.HoustonChronicle.com | Section: Houston & Texas
This article is: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/3742329.html




Really, is this the best stuff you can come up with over here? How about some

I don't know why you say some of the mean stuff you say, so....
who are you to determine who is a straight thinking person?  I think what he was getting as is simple.  It is a FACT, like it or not, that African-Americans make up a huge portion of our jail population, much more than their 13% representation in the population would expect.  Saying that a black person has a lower IQ because they are black is racist.  Stating a fact like 70% of black children are born to an unwed mother, while sad and startling, is simply a fact and not a racist comment.
Since you take this stuff so seriously
look at who is #2---but again, I guess the Google fairies have worked their magic in putting these people under the word miserable.

so it's stuff everybody already gets anyway...
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Same here. Cant take any more of this stuff on TV.
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Actually new stuff, you just don't like to see it. n/m
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I think BB get all this stuff from
moveon.org or something.  Sounds a lot like that sort of thing. 
Even if he did say that stuff...
who cares?! Is Bush in the White House now? No! Whatever lame remarks Biden might have made to him when he was in the White House really don't matter any more. He's just trying to puff out his chest because he has nothing else to do since Obama is keeping him on such a tight leash.

Unfortunately, like so many of the rest of our "leaders," you can't believe a thing that comes out of their mouths.
LOL! Who comes up with this stuff??
I have to forward this to my husband now; he loves a good joke!
This stuff was not broadcast
 because anyone believes Bush is a groper or is worried that he has a potty mouth.  it was published and broadcast to show how inept he is out of his element - the ranch.
bored with this stuff, onto something new
Mother of Britney and Jamie Lynn Spears is out promoting new book. In a Newsweek article, she points out the hypocrisy of her daughter being criticized for being a pregnant teenager and she being called a bad mom, but Bristol Palin is commended for valuing life and her mom is made out to be a good mom.

Not a fan of the Spears, but I thought she had a valid point.
don't make stuff up. You don't know that, and neither do I...nm
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Truly scary stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8fSe27iloU
of course he would say that stuff - he was running against him! nm
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More dumb stuff.
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Interesting stuff...

http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/elections/3723-mike-klonsky-obama-blogger.html


Mike Klonsky has had a blog on Obama's official website for a few months now (His first article is from February)...

Soooo who's Mike Klonsky?...



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Michael Klonsky (born 1943) is an American educator and political activist. He is perhaps most famous for being National Secretary of Students for a Democratic Society in 1968...

...On May 12, 1969, Klonsky and four other SDSers were arrested at the organization's Chicago national headquarters for assaulting a police officer, interfering with a firefighter, and inciting mob action[/b]. A prank call to a local police station said there had been a shooting at SDS' offices. When the police arrived, Klonsky and the others were convinced it was a ruse to gain access to SDS' offices.[1] Klonsky convinced the police everything was fine, when a second prank call brought local firefighters to the scene. When the police attempted to force entry to the offices, Klonsky and the others resisted. Convinced state repression of SDS was coming, Klonsky told a national television audience on CBS' "Face the Nation" that police repression of the New Left was being planned by the U.S. Department of Justice...

...At SDS' June 1969 national convention in Chicago, Klonsky played a major role in the dissolution of the organization. A group of 11 SDS national leaders—including Bernardine Dohrn, Jeff Jones, John Jacobs, Mark Rudd, Bill Ayers, Terry Robbins, and Howie Machtinger—had met in April and May of 1969 to craft a response to PL supporters within SDS. Their article, "You Don't Need A Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows," was published in New Left Notes on June 18, 1969, the day the convention opened. The "Weatherman" statement denounced imperialism and racism, and repudiated PL's claim that youth culture was bourgeois. The Weatherman statement called for revolutionary violence at home to stop imperialism, and the formation of collectives in major cities to support violence and stop factionalism.

Maybe you'd like to see a little more from our Weatherman friend?...



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In late 1969, Klonsky founded the October League, a communist party which in 1977 became the Communist Party, Marxist-Leninist. He was elected the party's chairman. The group opposed Gay Liberation and supported the regime of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Shah of Iran. Klonsky made several trips to China beginning in July 1977, where he was warmly received by government and Communist Party of China officials and treated to state dinners.

Now either you believe that Obama complicitly allows this thing to happen on his blogs because of his association or you believe that their campaign site is run by such ignorant people that they unknowingly and freely let anyone who feels like blogging get their own page..."

Of course, you could easily say "maybe Obama doesn't know anything about this loon and doesn't want anything to do with him!"...

tsk, tsk, tsk...Not so easy, my compadres...read on...



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In 1991, Klonsky co-founded the Small Schools Workshop in Chicago

Co-founded?...

Wonder who co-founded it with him?...



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William Ayers, Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), and founder of both the Small Schools Workshop and the Center for Youth and Society, teaches courses in interpretive and qualitative research, urban school change, and teaching and the modern predicament.

Okaaaaayy...

So what does this have to do with Barack Obama?...

Well let's look at the grant support for this workshop...



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GRANT SUPPORT

Grants obtained for the support of the Small Schools Workshop and/or the Chicago Forum for School Change at the University of Illinois at Chicago, co-director, principal investigator.

Annenberg Challenge -1997 - 260,000
Annenberg Challenge?...What's that?...

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Hmmm....wonder who the chairman of the Annenberg Challenge was in 1997....



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Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999
There you have it folks...

Mike Klonsky - Communist leader...and along with Bill Ayers, promoter of American terrorism, created a school workshop that received a grant from the Annenberg Challenge, the Chicago branch created by Bill Ayers and had Barack Obama as president and chairman, and now Klonsky gets his own little blog on Obama's offical website...

But you're not supposed to believe in "guilt by association", eh?..."

Let's look back at what Obama said about Bill Ayers...



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At the debate, Obama said of Ayers: “This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense.”
When Bill Ayers started the Annenberg Challenge and YOU became the founding president and chairman of it, you weren't 8 years old dummy...


Thanks - it too me a lot of deletions and stuff
I didn't want to offend anyone because I believe we all have rights as human beings to believe whatever we want to believe - I have a mormon sister (who grew up with me in a methodist church) and she keeps pouring on me how her religion is right and anyone who is not mormon will not be on the "higher level" after we depart and then it will be too late. HA HA HA But then again I have an aunt who feels that because we are not in the charismatic movement we are heathens. HA HA HA. Sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh at it.

That's too funny about the guy telling God to get his act together. God's probably up there saying "who died and made you boss". HA HA