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Oldtimer - I enjoy your

Posted By: tootie on 2008-09-04
In Reply to: Typical, make a nasty comment and run. You have no credibility with anyone with any brains. nm - oldtimer

posts - don't let the extremists bum you out.


 




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oldtimer.....
Obviously you didn't see the interview with this doctor. There was no breech delivery with the cervix clamping down on anything. It was flat out a decision to abort a late-term pregnancy because the mother simply decided that is what she wanted. This murderer agreed to do these abortions and did them quite frequently. Now,if you want to believe that only well meaning doctors do these only for the reason you keep listing, go ahead, but the doc himself made it clear this was not a life or death situation, simply the mother deciding she no longer wanted the baby. The procedure he performed had absolutely nothing to do with necessity. It WAS to just "GET RID" of a viable baby in the true sense.

Now, you're saying this doctor didn't know what he was doing? These are murderers who perform these acts NOT OUF OF NECESSITY but for money, plain and simple, it's money. Mother didn't want the baby, so she found a doctor who obviously has absolutely no conscience at ALL and should be tried as a murderer.

He has not tried to hide the fact that he is performing these murders because he says the law is on his side.
to oldtimer
I totally agree with you...
Hey oldtimer, from another oldtimer!
I just wanted to thank you for posting the link to this article. I found it fascinating. It makes me feel more hopeful about the future of the USA, and it's nice to read an article on occasion that stimulates genuine thinking.
At least you were kind about it, oldtimer....sm
The three dems above you, are not kind at all.
Oldtimer, I know you are an Obama
supporter, and I am definitely not an Obama supporter. That aside, I tip my hat to you as you speak with more sincerity and maturity than anyone else on this board! Thank you.

BTW, I am probably an older timer than you!
amen, oldtimer! n/m
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I agree with oldtimer. So in your eyes, we should go right in,
In that case, I think your initial question was posed only in hopes of baiting an Obama supporter. I sure hope that's not the case.
Oldtimer was the original poster
You would have probably gotten that had you not been in such a hurry to jump my post. I have nothing to hide, nothing to get away with and see no real reason to dumb down the phrasology, tone or content of my posts. I respond in kind to to folks who have no real interest in viable political issues, are constantly in attack mode, have pronounced adversions to logic, reason and facts and who haul out the holier-than-thou, pious, elite accusations when trying to avoid any sort of intelligent discourse.

There will always be opposition around who can be as in-your-face as the you choose to be...or not. If I "bother" you somehow, so be it. Right wingers bother me too, but you don't see me going around trying to kick them off the board or telling them they post more than they should.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Give respect and get respect. That's the way it works in the grown-up world. It's your choice.
I was speaking to you, "sm" not oldtimer. (nm)

That was kind of rude, oldtimer. nm
nm
You are definitely not a right-wing wacko, oldtimer!
I was not referring to anyone in particular as a right-wing wacko, especially you. In fact, I find your posts to be very thoughtful and intelligent.
I agree wholeheartedly with you oldtimer -
My child struggles every week to pay her bills, her childcare, buy groceries for the kids - all on her own because at $10 an hour she makes too much to get any kind of help, but at the same time the doctors she works for are all driving nice new Hummers, Range Rovers, building million dollar buildings. And of course, they will be the first ones to complain about having to pay higher taxes.

I don't think that because she is their employee that she is working any less than them. Of course, they deserve to be paid good, but I think the "little people" who make it possible for you to run your business should get something along the line.
You said it oldtimer! Obama won by majority and
It's time for people to back the new president and be patriotic. Stop the same old vitriol.

Ummm....Oldtimer has posted several times
You and I are on the same page when it comes to rude and inflammatory posts. I will be responding to them whenever the spirit moves me. You should do the same...or not. Whatever. BTW, I for one could give a rat's bottom about maintaining a "reputation" on a forum where many, many people make a choice to remain anonymous. It's just one of those things in life you have to learn to deal with. If name-calling and throwing tantrums gives you some sense of releif, go for it, but do not expect the target to go stand in the corner and hide out until you are done.
Ummm....Oldtimer has posted several times
You and I are on the same page when it comes to rude and inflammatory posts. I will be responding to them whenever the spirit moves me. You should do the same...or not. Whatever. BTW, I for one could give a rat's bottom about maintaining a "reputation" on a forum where many, many people make a choice to remain anonymous. It's just one of those things in life you have to learn to deal with. If name-calling and throwing tantrums gives you some sense of releif, go for it, but do not expect the target to go stand in the corner and hide out until you are done.
Sorry, oldtimer, sounds like passing the buck to me...
you would think you would want to clean your party up. But I guess not. Whatever, your choice. I do not turn a deaf ear to what any Democrats say on this board...I just refute what is not truthful. And they pound me pretty good as well. And as to tuning me out...do whatever makes you comfortable. It is a free country, after all.
But oldtimer...the fact remains...if those 94 democrats...
had voted yes, it would have passed ANYWAY, no matter what the Republicans did. enough Republicans voted for it that the 94 democrats would have made the difference. It would have passed. Not all republicans voted against it.
Oldtimer, it is used in late-term abortions. To get rid of babies.
nm
At least you enjoy something.

Cuz it's been tough watching you mentally unravel and unhinge on this board. 


But once again you are wrong.  I doubt that anyone on this board wants to see an injustice done, no matter what the accused's race, creed or political party affiliation is.  If Clinton had done the Iraq thing I personally would be just as disgusted.


That's where we differ, you and I.  It's all about keeping the courts and this country on the right track and party lines don't matter much.  Judging by your posts it is something you will never understand.


Enjoy while you can...sm
These Social United States of America won't be all it's cracked up to be ....by our soon to be prez.

I'm happy I didn't vote for him, and am in way part of what he's about to try to bring about.

Here ya go...you should enjoy this....(sm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJox3lZGNgg&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
Well I quite enjoy TS
and I am definitely NOT a HE.


Not at all. Just enjoy web anonymity like
Last time I checked, that's not a crime and besides that, I enjoy literary license and the freedom to exercise my speech without being told how to do it or what I should be saying. BTW, is Nanaw your given name?
I enjoy all the television

coverage.   They show a lot of behind the scenes stories at this time.  I like to hear from people such as the chief usher of the White House.  Who knew?  I saw a story about the little boy who lives next door to Obama and was writing a book about him.  He was asked if he ever saw Obama mowing the yard or shoveling snow.  The little boy said no.  Cute stuff after all the negativity from the other side during the campaign. No more friend of terrorists and mysterious birth certificates.  This is real America.


 


Why should you give up something you obviously enjoy...sm
just because somebody cyberbullied you?  Ignore their posts.  You should not take anything that is said on this board personally.  Are any of these people your friends or neighbors who interact with you on a daily basis and know the complexities that make you who you are?  No.  If people like you stop posting, then the cyberbullies win and then there is nothing here but hate and meanness.  This world has enough of that, so don't let a few harsh words win out and take away something you enjoy.  So you are important!  This world is made up of a lot of different personalities, that is what makes it interesting.  How boring would it be if there were no cyberbullies to get your mind thinking and your panties in a bunch once in awhile?  Just think if everyone agreed all the time?  When someone says something mean, ignore it, answer back or whatever, but don't let it ruin your day or stop you from being part of something that makes you happy.  Hope you stay. 
I enjoy TS posts
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You probably enjoy JTBB who I can't stand. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't post.


I enjoy them too. Her posts are by far

well thought out posts on this board.  She doesn't deserve the brutal treatment she receives on here, yet she keeps coming back, so I also admire her courage, considering what she's dealing with here.


There were a couple other posters who wrote very good posts too, but they're not here any more, so we're mostly left with junk. 


Please keep posting JTBB.  You're by far the most intelligent person on this board.


Enjoy it while you can. See how you feel a year
nm
Was "Greta", not Gretchen. I think you enjoy
nm
if you enjoy books about religion
you should read "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer. It is about some of the fundamentalist Mormon beliefs -- and no, I am not bashing Mormons, just a lot of interesting history and insight into some of these zealots, not regular Mormons.
Thought y'all would enjoy this.

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Ditto! I enjoy her posts, as well. (nm)

I ALWAYS enjoy JTBB's Posts
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Enjoy your vacation......and as a poster down below said.....
I may not agree with your postings all the time, but I love reading them.

Hope you have nice weather if you are going a long distance.
I agree, and I enjoy reading your posts.


Bye..Bye..Scooter Enjoy Your Time in the Federal Pen
Happy days are here again..**Waiting for the next indictment**..
I enjoy reading the liberal posts
Thanks for your post, however, I now see the neocons are coming over, so time to sign off.  It kind of makes me nauseous knowing Im on the same page at the same time. 
For Conn MT: Hillary-the Undead. Enjoy..))
http://www.236.com/blog/w/will_durst/hillary_clinton_undead_4987.php
I agree with ms. I enjoy it too. Sam reminds me of my husband. sm
And that is a good thing. LOL. My husband can debate until the cows come home whether it is Obama, McCain, Pelosi, etc. He lays everything out point by point and he isn't nasty about it the way some of the other posters on this board are. And he doesn't have to resort to name calling or whining.

So I say to Sam...You go girl!!.
Kaydie, hope you reconsider. I enjoy

I actually enjoy reading a lot of the liberal stuff...
I might not agree with it, but as long as it is respectful, part of what I like is to read the other side of issues. I also like a little debate here and there. What I do not like is being called names and treated with disrespect, and of course, this is all ridiculous, but I don't think that it is a liberal versus conservative thing, or even an Obama supporter versus McCain supporter thing. This right here is a bunch of grown ups acting like children, but like most children, they will get bored, so I will just keep checking in for the adults to post.
I especially enjoy Olberman's countdown observance.
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Hey JTBB - interesting video you might enjoy
I heard this guy interviewed awhile ago and I thought he was right on. I agree with what he says in this. Thought you might enjoy it. It's an older interview and she has been picked but I thought it was good and I agree with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxwk6fNJZmY&feature=related


I enjoy reading your posts, Cyndiee (sm)
All the juvenile name calling happens when they don't have an intelligent answer to give.  Those comments fail or succeed on their own merit.  Usually, not much merit given to kindergarten tantrums.
I hope you all enjoy working an extra 10 or 20 hours
So you can give it to Obama to give to the people who don't work. I'd rather spend the time with my famiy.
But you are on the politic board - enjoy your hearing your opinion
I'd like to know how you feel about the stimulus package (p.s. - you are on the political board HA HA)

As for Bush/Gore. The country always has been run by whoever wins the delegates is elected. Back then Gore may have had the popular vote (why I have no idea), but Bush had the electoral votes. I don't get it. Every single election if the crats are ahead in electoral votes they boast about following the laws, but if they are not ahead in electoral votes and are ahead in popular vote they try to change the rules and make it law that whoever has popular vote wins and not electoral. It's happened every single election.

But would like to hear your opinion on the stimulus plan.

Various Bush members enjoy profit from human suffering.

Two articles below:


http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-bucky23mar23,1,7624344.story?ctrack=1&cset=true


From the Los Angeles Times


Bush's Uncle Earned Millions in War Firm Sale


An SEC filing shows William H.T. Bush collected about $1.9 million in cash, plus stock valued at $800,000, from the deal.


By Walter F. Roche Jr.
Times Staff Writer

March 23, 2006

WASHINGTON — As President Bush embarks on a new effort to shore up public support for the war in Iraq, an uncle of the commander in chief is collecting $2.7 million in cash and stock from the recent sale of a company that profited from the war.

A report filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission shows that William H.T. Bush collected just under $1.9 million in cash plus stock valued at more than $800,000 from the sale of Engineered Support Systems Inc. to DRS Technologies of New Jersey.

The $1.7-billion deal closed Jan. 31. Both firms have extensive military contracts.

William Bush was a director of Engineered Support Systems. Recent SEC filings show he was paid cash and DRS stock in exchange for shares and options he obtained as a director.

Before DRS purchased it, Missouri-based ESSI experienced record growth as a result of expanded U.S. military contracts — many to supply U.S. efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The contracts, some awarded on a no-bid basis, include a $77-million deal to refit military vehicles with armor for use in Iraq.

Other ESSI products used in the war include radar and detection services, field medical stations and field electrical generator units.

SEC filings show that two federal investigations of ESSI are underway. One inquiry involves a stop order from the government on the field generators. The order was issued because the units didn't operate properly.

The generator contract was a major source of revenue. SEC files show that ESSI did not tell stockholders about the stop order until last June, about seven months after it was issued.

During the interim, several ESSI executives, including Bush's uncle, cashed in stock and stock options worth millions of dollars, the filings show.

According to one recent filing, the SEC and the U.S. attorney in St. Louis are investigating the delayed disclosure and other matters.

Unnamed members of the ESSI board and corporate officers have been subpoenaed in the inquiry, according to documents.

SEC filings show that William Bush, 67, exercised options on 8,348 shares of ESSI stock on Jan. 18, 2005, about two months after the stop order was issued and six months before it was disclosed. He collected about $450,000 in cash.

Bush, known as Uncle Bucky in the president's family, joined ESSI's board in 2000, several months before his nephew became president.

He heads a St. Louis investment firm and is the youngest brother of former President George H.W. Bush.

He declined to comment Wednesday. However, in an interview last year, he said he played no role in ESSI's winning federal contracts.

I don't make any calls to the 202 [Washington, D.C.] area code, he said.

Patricia Williamson, a spokeswoman for DRS, would not comment on the status of the federal investigations.

The company has said it is cooperating in the probes, which also involve an ESSI insurance contract.

_________________________________________________________________


March 22, 2006, 11:58PM


Former first lady's donation aids son


Katrina funds earmarked to pay for Neil Bush's software program


By CYNTHIA LEONOR GARZA
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle


Former first lady Barbara Bush donated an undisclosed amount of money to the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund with specific instructions that the money be spent with an educational software company owned by her son Neil.


Since then, the Ignite Learning program has been given to eight area schools that took in substantial numbers of Hurricane Katrina evacuees.


Mrs. Bush wanted to do something specifically for education and specifically for the thousands of students flooding into the Houston schools, said Jean Becker, former President Bush's chief of staff. She knew that HISD was using this software program, and she's very excited about this program, so she wanted to make it possible for them to expand the use of this program.


The former first lady plans to visit a Houston Independent School District campus using the Ignite program today to call on local business leaders to support schools and education.


The trip to Fleming Middle School is intended to showcase Bush's commitment to education for both Houston-area and New Orleans evacuee students, according to a press release issued Wednesday by Ignite.


Fleming, which has more than 170 New Orleans students, was one of eight area schools chosen by the Harris County Department of Education to receive a donated COW, or Curriculum on Wheels, multimedia program after Hurricane Katrina.


Neil Bush founded Austin-based Ignite Learning, which produces the COW program, in 1999.


Becker said she wasn't at liberty to divulge how much money the Bush family gave to the hurricane funds, but said the rest of their donation was not earmarked for anything.


Nationally, some other donors also specified how they wanted their donations spent, Becker said.


For example, one man wanted his money to go to Habitat for Humanity but via the former presidents' fund. Nearly $1 million has been raised for the local fund and more than $120 million for the national.


Regarding the fact that Bush's earmarked donation also benefited her son's company, Becker said, Mrs. Bush is obviously an enthusiastic supporter of her son. She is genuinely supportive of his program, and has received many letters from educators who support it. Bush honestly felt this would be a great way to help the (evacuee) students.


Barbara and Neil Bush presented the donated programs to Houston-area schools this winter.


Districts that received the free curriculum include Houston, Alvin, Katy, Pearland and Spring and the New Orleans West charter school.


There are 40 Ignite programs being used in the Houston area, and 15 in the Houston school district, said Ken Leonard, president of Ignite.


Information about the effectiveness of the program, through district-generated reports, was not readily available Wednesday, according to an HISD spokeswoman.


Two years ago, the school district raised eyebrows when it expanded the program by relying heavily on private donations.


In February 2004, the Houston school board unanimously agreed to accept $115,000 in charitable donations from businesses and individuals who insisted the money be spent on Ignite. The money covered half the bill for the software, which cost $10,000 per school.


The deal raised conflict of interest concerns because Neil Bush and company officials helped solicit the donations for the HISD Foundation, a philanthropic group that raises money for the district.


HISD school principals decide for themselves whether to spend their budgeted money on Ignite.


Leonard said that in the past six to eight months, the company has hired national sales representatives across the country — in Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Nevada — in hopes of expanding beyond Texas. Currently, about 80 percent of the company's customers are from Texas.


Last year, Neil Bush reportedly toured former Soviet Union countries promoting Ignite with Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky.


According to the Times of London, Berezovsky, a former Kremlin insider now living in Britain, is wanted on criminal charges in Moscow accusing him of seeking to stage a coup against President Vladimir Putin.


The purpose of today's event is to showcase everyone's efforts in helping the hurricane evacuee students who ended up in Houston, Leonard said.


We have a role, but we're not the leader in this, Leonard said. He also acknowledged that his company will benefit from the former first lady's visit.


Barbara Bush is expected to observe both teachers and students using the Ignite Learning program while touring classrooms, according to the Ignite press release.


During a short reception, teachers and students will give testimonials about the program and Bush will encourage community business leaders to have a stronger presence in supporting schools and education, the press release said.


The free-standing instructional tools that are not dependent on the Internet. They include a built-in computer, projector and speakers and come pre-loaded with science and social studies courses.


cynthia.garza@chron.com











 



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Change and Hope: Obama wants your change and hopes you enjoy starving.... sm
...while he's partying like a rock star with the glitterati.

Meanwhile, some little old lady is hoping he doesn't get a dog and sends her the dog food instead.