private lives should be left out of it, but as to being on stage, that is just showing family support for their parents. Two entirely different things.
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sign up, or fight in Iraq, this would be a terrorist dream to have the president's daughters as a hostage...BUT the truth is there are usually few if any, on the left or right, who are willing to sacrifice their children for the things that they think are soooo noble enough for our children to sacrifice themselves for. I think this is the whole point. My thing is don't ask your countrymen to do anything that you wouldn't do yourself, left or right.
I agree! SP needs to be at home with her children!
You CANNOT work a regular fulltime job when your children are small and need you at home, let alone run for VP!!! There is no such thing as, "have it all!" You may THINK you have it all, but if your little ones could talk, they would say that you need to be home with them! They need you! I am so tired of people defending this lady!
I agree - parents are always proud of their children
And I guess if all the Billy Boy Clinton fans think its okay for Billy to say the things he is about his daughter (who has never been involved in politics herself) then I think Bush Sr. can think highly of his sons too.
I agree to a certain point.....
I found it loathsome that he abandoned his wife and children. I have also seen tears in his eyes when he recounts this and admits he abandoned the entire situation.
The problem is, when I watch Obama, he is never apologetic for his associations and NEVER fesses up to them. He just denies them as if they don't exist, when everyone knows they do. And even scarier to me, who will fill ALL THOSE thousand of positions he will appoint if he gets in the white house. I'll betcha 100 to 1 it will be Muslims, people you've never heard of before, questionable associations, questionable how they can even be in the white house cabinet because there will be BIG questions if they are even a real US citizen. You just hide and watch. It won't be pretty. That man feels no guilt for anything; why do you think he hung out with Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, uses Pakistani roommates from college to do his fundraising from unknown sources overseas, came up with so much money to spend so much time in Muslim countries during his college years when he proclaims to have been broke. Too many questions that everyone refuses to demand an answer to.
At least McCain owns up to his past, unlike Obama. To hear him tell it, he's perfect in every way.
however, there are laws against murder and to me...abortion is murder. I cannot stand by someone who would allow something like that to be considered okay by society. Yes, people have free will and they will have to live with that decision. However, if society is more willing to accept things like that it just seems like morals drop in society. What was once considered bad is no big deal. I feel that is the path that are country has started in and I don't like it.
I still don't understand why abortion isn't murder but a person who does something to a pregnant mother that causes her unborn child to die is considered murder and is punishable. A pregnant mother is killed and so is her unborn child and that is double homocide. The only difference is one fetus wasn't wanted by its parents and the other was. Other than that.....it is still murder in my eyes.
Here is my standing on this. I do not have a problem with the morning after pill. I think that is a great emergency contraceptive if a condom should fail or a rape should happen and no protection was used, etc. Do I want abortion to be totally illegal.....yes but the problem with that is you will still have illegal ones going on ending up in seriously hurt people because they may not be done properly, etc. If abortion is going to lbe egal, I think there should be guidelines. You only have such and such time to abort before it is considered murder. If you abort after that time frame, you can face charges of murder as well as any doctor who willingly performs the abortion knowing it is too late time frame wise.
I have no problem if the mother's life is in danger. That is it....in danger. I think that if an abortion fails, that infant has a right to live and should be protected. No late term abortions because that is murder. To have Obama want to legalize abortion with no guidelines....just go and abort because no one wants a baby as a punishment.....that is SO wrong and to allow that in our society is ridiculous.
In my opinion it will just cause more people to be even less cautious about their sexual practices and use abortion more as birth control and that isn't right. If more people are less worried about having a baby because abortions are so easy to get, etc.....I think it will cause a rise in STDs as well. JMO.
why did it have to come to a vote to begin with? Who decided it would come up for a vote? If it was the gay community to begin with, then they should honor the outcome, don't you think?
I saw Frasier's (can't think of his name right now) "brother" on The View yesterday and he's happy that his marriage will stay intact. I'm sure many others are also happy about it, too.
As for those that didn't jump on the bandwagon right away, well, what can I say? They missed the boat.
Then I agree wholeheartedly with your point...
I would like to see it also. I would like to see the declassified document from the CIA where Joe Wilson (Valerie Plame's husband) supposedly corroborates Bush's speech about Saddam trying to buy yellowcake from Niger. I am sure that is something the Democrats would rather not make public knowledge. I would also like to know what they think they have as proof on Bush. Not guess, not innuendo, but hard proof that he lied. And I think if they had that, they would go forward. There are just too many questions that would be raised that Congress themselves would have a hard time answering...and I don't think they want to open Pandora's box. That is why I think it is political posturing because they viscerally hate the man (the Dems). And I have NEVER understood the degree that goes to. All that being said...I agree. They should make it all public, every last bit. I just wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
I agree, gourdpainter, to a point....
but one thing I DO know...Obama and a majority democrat congress mean socialism. There are no two ways about it. And I DON'T want socialism for America. So I would not vote for Obama, and if I vote for a third party and NOT McCain, that is a vote for Obama. I will NOT be a party to putting that man in the White House. No way, no how.
I am a registered Independent. I have not been a party faithful for several years. But I am concerned enough about Obama and his agenda that I am voting a straight Republican ticket for the FIRST time in my life. THAT is how much I DO NOT want him and his agenda for this country.
I agree with McCain on some things "he says." If he does them, fine. If he doesn't, we still don't get socialism. If McCain just gets elected and the status quo remains, we don't get socialism.
I don't want socialism. I don't know how much more clear I need to be about it.
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I totally agree to a certain point
I believe we need stricter guides on the food that is being sold in our stores, however, I do not agree that our rights as citizens should be taken away to be able to grow our own vegetables in our own garden on our property. I think the people who go to farmers market and buy organic prefer that, and they should not have that right taken away from him. My understanding is that the company she is referring to as genetically altering the seeds so that the fruit it bears has no seeds, thus you have to continually buy more from them, and I understand this company is also trying to shut down all other seed companies. I may be wrong and I would have to do a bit more research.
But I agree our supermarkets need scrutiny on what food it sells in the store (where it's coming from), but I don't like anyone taking away my right to be able to grow my own tomatoes or squash or other veggies I want to in my own yard.
I agree and think at this point diplomacy is futile..nm good point.....this one bans if you don't agree with them....or maybe this has stopped since the
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Again my point is made - you just like arguing and bashing people that don't agree with you
Your bringing up a dead subject while shouting it at us. You started an abortion post on 8/25 and bashed everyone who didn't agree with you, and you were bashing people on 8/22 about the same subject. Everytime someone brought up their viewpoint you be arguing or bashing them. The point I (and others) are making is you keep bringing this up again and again and again and again and when people don't agree with you you bash them, then when they come back to say something you bash them even more. Then when we finally get a break and have new topics, you start another post about the abortion thing again. The abortion issue is getting tiring for all. We know what abortions are, how horrible they are, and we know how babies are made and the stages of their lives (we are MT's and all took the course) but you feel the need to keep it up and up and up and it's getting real old. Besides that it looks like you are posting under other names and then answering yourself.
I want to read people's opinions and questions of issues we are facing. Abortion is not one of them for most of us. Let it go and move on. What I am trying to say is that while I'd like to hear your viewpoints on other issues enough with the abortion and try and not be so argumentative all the time.
Yes, we all have the right to post things, but it looks like you are posting just for the sake of arguing and we're all getting tired of it.
So go ahead bash me some more.
I think BB has a point here in that the main point on the board is political discussion, and let'
face it, there is SO MUCH going on right now, changes, problems, disasters, and so much debate on what should/could be done, but so many tims the political discussion disintegrates in a finger-pointing, name-calling exercise, spouting religion all over the place. Yeah, our spiritual beliefs are dearly held and we would all strive to be the best we can be, and do whatever we can whatever the ideology is, but sometimes I wonder, since we have a board EXPRESSLY for Faith isuues, where relgious debates/discussions/forums, etc are welcome, why does THIS board have to be turned into RELIGION BOARD PART II, especially if one ideology wants to dominate or ridicule/condemn those who come on here for lively inteligent discussion, debate of issues in Congress and in our lives, and just want their beliefs held separately? CNN is not EWTN or any other Christian network, and there are constant informative, bright, lively, balanced discussions from all over the political spectrum on the credentialed news stations, as well as C-Span, but they are not constantly hiding behind a cross, rosary, bible, star of David, or whatever....can we not strive to do the same and put religious debate on the Faith board?? Just a thought to ponder, MHO, it might work beter, who knows?
is the the starting point or the end point for the middle class?
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We are all God's children. nm
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My children.
My children are grown now, well into their 40s. I have four wonderful grandchildren, whom I adore, the oldest just turned 18. Our nuclear family puts God first and we follow his teachings. Abortion would never be something any one of us would contemplate for even the slightest bit of time. My children and grandchildren do not do this out of fear of reaction from the family but out of love for God and his creations. We consider abortion murder. It isn't something we would ever do. I know that the left spins this daily as being fear of retribution. It's too bad that they have lost the ability to see that there are those of us who grieve for the loss of human life, no matter what stage it is in when it ends.
i certainly would. I f you do that to children then you s/m
should have NO rights at all.
do you have children?
christians are not perfect. I don't know of one who claims to be. Yes, things do start at home but that does not mean that adults and children don't make poor choices. I've not heard anyone in the McCain campaign say they are "very religious." Besides, being "religious" doesn't necessarily mean Christian and being a Christian does not mean perfect.
Also, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth, far from it actually, but I have worked for what I have. I don't expect someone to provide my health insurance or pay my mortgage. I'm supporting McCain.
Tell me what do YOU consider a WONDERFUL FAMILY?
so how do you think that children
have abortions without the parents ever finding out, if they receive a bill in the mail? It has to be paid for by someone other than the parents, or else they would know about it. perhaps not your particular clinic, but it happens.
Wow, children, get over it already...
it's a cartoon, plain and simple. You are the ones making something out of nothing. Find something else to rant and rave over.
Most had their children taken...
away from them and were shot when they tried to escape......it was a horrific event without a doubt. Some couldn't bear to watch their children die so the opted to die to. BUT, I refuse to have someone tell me what I can say and what I can't say because it offends them.
May I ask how many children do you have?..nm
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Neither can little children, and look how many have
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I actually have 2 children....
And I happen to believe that there is alot more to a relationship than sex.
What about the children
who have been killed by homosexuals and they get very little press? You feel this way because of your son. As a Christian we are to speak out against this, even if it is our children doing it. My children understood when they were young that this was wrong and it was their choice if they did do it. I would NEVER support that choice. This has nothing to do with my head in the sand. It has to do with reality and doing the right thing. Most people who have family members who commit this sin choose to have their head in the sand and ignore what Christ tells us. I won't be one of them.
So you are actually saying that children are not autonomous. sm
That's absurd. And of course, we hear so many cries for Johnson's daughters to join when we were in Vietnam. Not. Because Republicans don't do things like that. Liberals do. That entire thread is one big joke.
They are his children, grown or not. sm
It is their choice and I don't think they should sign up because of the security reasons, just my opinion. And, yes I think he would talk them out of it.
Abuse of children and the right
Hold on just a minute....from your post you are making it sound like conservatives and the right condone molestation of children. If that is what you were implying you are absolutely wrong. Please, please, please do not categorize all Christians and conservatives with the wacko extreme cults that dare do these things to children. I believe a few weeks ago there was a long thread on the C-board about child molestation. Personally, I think anyone who hurts a child should die...period. If it's sexual molestation the very least that should happen to a male offender is castration...I'd prefer the death penalty...
Again, this implied generalization that all conservatives are racists, homophobes, and child molesters is absolutely wrong.
actually what you name your children speaks
What about the lady that named her daughter Emer Gency because that's the sign she saw going into the hospital? Sure this may be folklore but if you are an MT you know like I do people make really poor choices when it comes to naming thier kids and I would never elect one of those braniacs VP!!!
Duh yourself. Every time I have seen her, her children ...
are standing behind her. WHen Michelle Obama is at work, she ain't with her children. Duh. You think if Obama is elected she is going to knit sweaters and raise her kids? The White House has a huge staff. I don;t think she will be firing them and cooking for her kids like Palin did in Alaska.
All that being said, you are being really petty and bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with her ability to be VP, or President should that happen. You are insinuating a woman is not capabale. I believe she is.
And also...you should be very careful about being so judgmental about teenage pregnancies and family values and responsibility and judgment attached to it...You are alienating, demeaning, and slandering a huge portion of your candidate's base. Do you think they would be happy to hear your assessment of their families having no values or judgment?
well educating children
about S-E-X at an appropriate age level IS the right thing to do. Unless your body is d-i-r-t-y. Unless you have dirty pillows under your blouse. Da doop.
health care plans. My husband pays a portion just like everyone else. We hardly use the health coverage, only for minor sinus infections, and I did have a hysterectomy last year.
There are others walking around that have had multiple surgeries including bypass, and they pay the same amount towards the plan.
How is that fair? I feel the contribution should be paid on the usage, per se, and not so much (everyone is equal) because we are not. I had a friend that had a lap band (fully covered), thyroid surgery, neck surgery, and goes the doctor every other week for something or other. So, when we worked together, we both paid the same; yet, I did not go to the doctor or have any surgeries.
Is that fair? Why not look at something like that for cost effectiveness? Would this turn people away from receiving the healthcare they need (not likely)?
were energized by the election. Even if they had political views different from mine and my live-in BF, they would not be afraid to tell me. I allow them to think for themselves.
my children are citizens
they were born in Germany yet they are US citizens and German citizens. They have dual citizenship. they are US citizens and they have a born abroad certificate which is the proof of their US citizenship which is exactly the same as a b/c. you guys crack me up. and no i am not an O fan, but i think that this would have been the FIRST thing that McCain and Palin would have pointed out had all this crap been true.
I have children and I can understand
women who give birth to a child conceived in rape. I certainly could understand their wanting to give the child up for adoption and then again, I could understand why they would find the love in their hearts to keep the child.
.......Then there was the recent move to end a long-established practice in the Defense Department of selling fired brass ammunition casings to companies that remanufacture them into ammo for sale to law enforcement and private gun owners. The new policy required the military cartridge brass to be destroyed.
The Defense Logistics Agency, the Pentagon’s largest combat support agency and the organization that helps dispose of materiel and equipment no longer needed by the military, classified small-arms cartridge cases as "sensitive munitions" as part of an overall effort to make sure national security is not jeopardized by the sale of any Defense property.
Given that this administration is all abuzz with going green, crushing a perfectly recyclable product runs afoul of the "reduce, reuse, recycle" mantra of environmentalists. It’s difficult not to assume that someone new in Defense wanted to reduce the national supply of ammunition by removing the ability to reuse fired brass.
Gun owners across the country have been hard-pressed to find ammo — and that’s not just survivalists who are into hoarding (although some of that is undoubtedly going on). Texas hunters and ranchers, for example, who use .223 and .308 ammo to rid their property of destructive feral hogs — trust me, you don’t want to go after one of these with a .22 — were scrambling to find it and then, when they could locate some, the price was outrageous
Hilter's children
s/l this volunteerism is like Hilter's children. He did the same thing. Put children in camps to be better ayrans. How do I know this? Every bit of it is on the History channel! Not a new plan by any means by Obama. Just rewired.
going to "protect" them and how are you going to handle when they tell you they are gay? Don't think it will happen to you? Are you in their classrooms listening and approving of what they are taught, which is that homosexual "love" is normal? How are you going to "protect" them when they made their choice when they tell you they have AIDS?
What's love got to do with it? Do you have any understanding how many relationships a "gay" person will have over a lifetime? Is that what you call love? How do you protect your child when you approve of perversion?
I don't know if the law changed, but the mother is also in Mexico. Don't know if she went voluntarily or if she was deported, too. If she went voluntarily, then I feel she really didn't put her children first.
Like I said in my earlier post, I think the children should have gone with them even though they are American citizens. Why let the eldest take care of the younger ones, I think ages 15 and 11.
LAWRENCE, Kansas, Dec. 6, 2005 (AP) A Kansas professor whose planned course on creationism and intelligent design was canceled after he sent e-mails deriding Christian conservatives was taken to the hospital Monday following what he said was a beating.
University of Kansas religious studies professor Paul Mirecki told the Lawrence Journal-World that two men who beat him were making references to the class that was to be offered for the first time this coming spring. Originally called Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies, the course was canceled last week at Mirecki's request.
The class was added after the Kansas Board of Education decided to include more criticism of evolution in science standards for elementary and secondary students.
I didn't know them, Mirecki said of his alleged assailants, but I'm sure they knew me.
One recent e-mail from Mirecki to members of a student organization referred to religious conservatives as fundies, and said a course describing intelligent design as mythology would be a nice slap in their big fat face. Mirecki has apologized for those comments.
Lt. Kari Wempe, a spokeswoman for the Douglas County Sheriff's Department, said a deputy was dispatched to Lawrence Memorial Hospital after receiving a call around 7 a.m. regarding a battery.
She said Mirecki reported he was attacked around 6:40 a.m. in rural Douglas County south of Lawrence. Mirecki told the Journal-World he was driving to breakfast when he noticed the men tailgating him in a pickup truck.
I just pulled over hoping they would pass, and then they pulled up real close behind, he said. They got out, and I made the mistake of getting out.
He said the men beat him on the head, shoulders and back with their fists, and possibly a metal object.
Wempe said Mirecki drove himself to the hospital.
Mirecki told the student newspaper, The University Daily Kansan, that he spent between three and four hours at the hospital. He said his injuries included a broken tooth.
I'm mostly shaken up, and I got some bruises and sore spots, he told the Journal-World.
Wempe said Mirecki described the suspects as two white men between 30 and 40 years of age. One of the men was described as wearing a red visor-like ball cap and wool gloves. Mirecki said the men left in a large pickup truck.
Wempe said the department will investigate every aspect, but couldn't discuss specifics.
Andrew Stangl, president of the Society for Open Minded Atheists and Agnostics at the university, described the attack as bizarre and terrifying. He said Mirecki, who is the group's faculty adviser, is adamant that the alleged beating is related to the recently canceled course.
That absolutely shocked me, he said, because people don't do that in a civilized society.
Sen. Kay O'Connor, a Mirecki critic, said there is no excuse for someone physically assaulting the professor - regardless of their politics.
I have zero tolerance for thugs, she said. There is never an excuse to behave in such a manner. This was just thugs. They used a flimsy excuse, if they had one, to behave as thugs. They can talk about the ID (intelligent design) course if they want to, but that's not an excuse.
I don't know whether you are a Republican or Democrat (or neither), but I have found that many Republicans are against this bill. The ironic thing to me is that many Republicans are pro-life. Many care so much about saviing the babies in the womb, but where is the concern for little children who are suffering? I think it's hypocritical for one to say that they care so much about bringing this life into the world and giving it a chance to live, and yet if that same child gets leukemia it's on it's own because God forbid our taxes might get raised or something.
Sometimes you just have to DO THE RIGHT THING. I believe the right thing is health insurance for all American children. What would Jesus do?
Okay, this is about as disturbing as it gets. I came across this thread on the Democratic Underground website:
Source: AFP
Agence France-Presse
BAGHDAD -- US troops are holding nearly 950 children and teenagers in a military prison at a Baghdad base, some as young as 10, a top commander said Monday.
Brigadier General Michael Nevin of US military police said many of these youngsters, mainly 15, 16 or 17 years of age are illiterate and have been detained for planting bombs and even for "picking up a gun and firefighting."
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"These juveniles have been involved in something that is perceived as a security threat to Iraq or coalition forces," Nevin told Agence France-Presse during a tour of Camp Cropper.
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"In January we had around 100 juveniles. Now we have around 950," Nevin said.
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One of the commanders at Camp Cropper, Lieutenant Colonel Malcolm McMullen, said the juveniles were now part of a wide-ranging educational program launched by the military.
"Many of them come from broken homes with no education," he said.
So, curious as to what type of educational program launched by the military, as I thought it funny this little tibit of information was left out, I came across this:
Obama's and Palin's. They are young and this is a different world now than it was when JFK was in and Carter too.
Though, I would think being a mother to very young children and being a VP is going to be a whole different situation than being the Governor. I would think there is going to be a lot more travel involved with a VP than Gov., but I might be wrong. Never having done either job, I can't really say.
I'm not saying that Obama's kids are going to be better off if he is elected either. I just don't know how used to their mom being away that Palin's kids are as opposed to Obama's kids. They've had a little more time to adjust. And, as sexist as it is, most people still believe that the primary parenting duty is on the mother. I am not saying that is what I think (it's 50/50 IMO), but I do believe the majority feel that way.
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