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Duh yourself. Every time I have seen her, her children ...

Posted By: sam on 2008-09-01
In Reply to: if she is on the TV screen - BDayes

are standing behind her. WHen Michelle Obama is at work, she ain't with her children. Duh. You think if Obama is elected she is going to knit sweaters and raise her kids? The White House has a huge staff. I don;t think she will be firing them and cooking for her kids like Palin did in Alaska.

All that being said, you are being really petty and bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with her ability to be VP, or President should that happen. You are insinuating a woman is not capabale. I believe she is.

And also...you should be very careful about being so judgmental about teenage pregnancies and family values and responsibility and judgment attached to it...You are alienating, demeaning, and slandering a huge portion of your candidate's base. Do you think they would be happy to hear your assessment of their families having no values or judgment?

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At that time, wasn't he reading a children's book?
Oy, with capital VEY.
He did it again..Children's health care bill vetoed a second time

Bush vetoes children's health bill a second time

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Wednesday vetoed a bill expanding a popular children's health-care program for a second time, angering Democrats who are locked in a fight with the administration over the budget and spending.

Pushed by the Democratic-led Congress but also supported by many Republicans, the bill was aimed at providing health insurance to about 10 million children in low- and moderate-income families. Taxes on cigarettes and other tobacco products would have been increased to pay for the aid.

Bush vetoed an earlier version of the bill in October but Congress quickly passed another one that included some changes but not enough to satisfy the White House concerns.

"Because the Congress has chosen to send me an essentially identical bill that has the same problems as the flawed bill I previously vetoed, I must veto this legislation too," Bush wrote in a message to the House of Representatives.

The fight between Congress and the White House over the health bill is one in a series of clashes over spending that have arisen this year.

Bush has said the funding level sought by the Democrats for the health program would have expanded it beyond its original intent of covering poor children and marked a step toward government-run health care.

Democrats say the additional money is needed to help families who cannot afford to buy private health insurance but who earn too much to qualify for the Medicaid health care program for the poor.

"This is indeed a sad action for him to take, because so many children in our country need access to quality health care," House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, told reporters.

The bill would have provided $60 billion in funding for the children's health program over five years, compared with the current $25 billion five-year funding level.

The tobacco tax increase would raise the levy on cigarettes by 61 cents to $1 per pack.

House Democratic leaders said they will not try to override the veto right away and would vote on a bill to ensure the more than six million kids now in the program can stay enrolled.

(Editing by Todd Eastham)

(Additional reporting by Donna Smith and Richard Cowan)

We are all God's children. nm
My children.
My children are grown now, well into their 40s.   I have four wonderful grandchildren, whom I adore, the oldest just turned 18.  Our nuclear family puts God first and we follow his teachings.  Abortion would never be something any one of us would contemplate for even the slightest bit of time.  My children and grandchildren do not do this out of fear of reaction from the family but out of love for God and his creations.  We consider abortion murder. It isn't something we would ever do.  I know that the left spins this daily as being fear of retribution. It's too bad that they have lost the ability to see that there are those of us who grieve for the loss of human life, no matter what stage it is in when it ends.
i certainly would. I f you do that to children then you s/m
should have NO rights at all.
do you have children?
christians are not perfect. I don't know of one who claims to be. Yes, things do start at home but that does not mean that adults and children don't make poor choices. I've not heard anyone in the McCain campaign say they are "very religious." Besides, being "religious" doesn't necessarily mean Christian and being a Christian does not mean perfect.

Also, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth, far from it actually, but I have worked for what I have. I don't expect someone to provide my health insurance or pay my mortgage. I'm supporting McCain.

Tell me what do YOU consider a WONDERFUL FAMILY?
so how do you think that children
have abortions without the parents ever finding out, if they receive a bill in the mail? It has to be paid for by someone other than the parents, or else they would know about it. perhaps not your particular clinic, but it happens.
Wow, children, get over it already...
it's a cartoon, plain and simple. You are the ones making something out of nothing. Find something else to rant and rave over.
Most had their children taken...
away from them and were shot when they tried to escape......it was a horrific event without a doubt. Some couldn't bear to watch their children die so the opted to die to. BUT, I refuse to have someone tell me what I can say and what I can't say because it offends them.
May I ask how many children do you have?..nm
Neither can little children, and look how many have
I actually have 2 children....
And I happen to believe that there is alot more to a relationship than sex.
What about the children
who have been killed by homosexuals and they get very little press? You feel this way because of your son. As a Christian we are to speak out against this, even if it is our children doing it. My children understood when they were young that this was wrong and it was their choice if they did do it. I would NEVER support that choice. This has nothing to do with my head in the sand. It has to do with reality and doing the right thing. Most people who have family members who commit this sin choose to have their head in the sand and ignore what Christ tells us. I won't be one of them.
So you are actually saying that children are not autonomous. sm
That's absurd. And of course, we hear so many cries for Johnson's daughters to join when we were in Vietnam.  Not.  Because Republicans don't do things like that.  Liberals do.  That entire thread is one big joke. 
They are his children, grown or not. sm
It is their choice and I don't think they should sign up because of the security reasons, just my opinion. And, yes I think he would talk them out of it.
Abuse of children and the right
Hold on just a minute....from your post you are making it sound like conservatives and the right condone molestation of children. If that is what you were implying you are absolutely wrong. Please, please, please do not categorize all Christians and conservatives with the wacko extreme cults that dare do these things to children. I believe a few weeks ago there was a long thread on the C-board about child molestation. Personally, I think anyone who hurts a child should die...period. If it's sexual molestation the very least that should happen to a male offender is castration...I'd prefer the death penalty...

Again, this implied generalization that all conservatives are racists, homophobes, and child molesters is absolutely wrong.
actually what you name your children speaks
What about the lady that named her daughter Emer Gency because that's the sign she saw going into the hospital? Sure this may be folklore but if you are an MT you know like I do people make really poor choices when it comes to naming thier kids and I would never elect one of those braniacs VP!!!
well educating children

about S-E-X at an appropriate age level IS the right thing to do. Unless your body is d-i-r-t-y.  Unless you have dirty pillows under your blouse.  Da doop.


it's "for the children!"

Exploitation you can (sadly) believe in.


by helping your children
actual CHOICE about where your money is going. What about all the people out there who have no back bone and just want something for nothing?
I believe all children should be covered.

health care plans.  My husband pays a portion just like everyone else.  We hardly use the health coverage, only for minor sinus infections, and I did have a hysterectomy last year. 

There are others walking around that have had multiple surgeries including bypass, and they pay the same amount towards the plan. 

How is that fair?  I feel the contribution should be paid on the usage, per se, and not so much (everyone is equal) because we are not.  I had a friend that had a lap band (fully covered), thyroid surgery, neck surgery, and goes the doctor every other week for something or other.  So, when we worked together, we both paid the same; yet, I did not go to the doctor or have any surgeries. 

Is that fair?  Why not look at something like that for cost effectiveness?  Would this turn people away from receiving the healthcare they need (not likely)?

My 3 adult children

were energized by the election.  Even if they had political views different from mine and my live-in BF, they would not be afraid to tell me.  I allow them to think for themselves.


my children are citizens
they were born in Germany yet they are US citizens and German citizens. They have dual citizenship.  they are US citizens and they have a born abroad certificate which is the proof of their US citizenship which is exactly the same as a b/c.  you guys crack me up.  and no i am not an O fan, but i think that this would have been the FIRST thing that McCain and Palin would have pointed out had all this crap been true. 
I have children and I can understand
women who give birth to a child conceived in rape. I certainly could understand their wanting to give the child up for adoption and then again, I could understand why they would find the love in their hearts to keep the child.

I knew a woman who did just that. Her love for an INNOCENT child far exceeded her hate for the man that raped her!
I'm sure this is somehow 'for the children'..


.......Then there was the recent move to end a long-established practice in the Defense Department of selling fired brass ammunition casings to companies that remanufacture them into ammo for sale to law enforcement and private gun owners. The new policy required the military cartridge brass to be destroyed.

The Defense Logistics Agency, the Pentagonís largest combat support agency and the organization that helps dispose of materiel and equipment no longer needed by the military, classified small-arms cartridge cases as "sensitive munitions" as part of an overall effort to make sure national security is not jeopardized by the sale of any Defense property.

Given that this administration is all abuzz with going green, crushing a perfectly recyclable product runs afoul of the "reduce, reuse, recycle" mantra of environmentalists. Itís difficult not to assume that someone new in Defense wanted to reduce the national supply of ammunition by removing the ability to reuse fired brass.

Gun owners across the country have been hard-pressed to find ammo ó and thatís not just survivalists who are into hoarding (although some of that is undoubtedly going on). Texas hunters and ranchers, for example, who use .223 and .308 ammo to rid their property of destructive feral hogs ó trust me, you donít want to go after one of these with a .22 ó were scrambling to find it and then, when they could locate some, the price was outrageous

Hilter's children
s/l this volunteerism is like Hilter's children. He did the same thing. Put children in camps to be better ayrans. How do I know this? Every bit of it is on the History channel! Not a new plan by any means by Obama. Just rewired.

So you want to "protect" your children. How are you

going to "protect" them and how are you going to handle when they tell you they are gay?  Don't think it will happen to you?  Are you in their classrooms listening and approving of what they are taught, which is that homosexual "love" is normal?  How are you going to "protect" them when they made their choice when they tell you they have AIDS? 

What's love got to do with it?  Do you have any understanding how many relationships a "gay" person will have over a lifetime?  Is that what you call love?  How do you protect your child when you approve of perversion?

Yes, the children are legal but the

parents are not.

I don't know if the law changed, but the mother is also in Mexico. Don't know if she went voluntarily or if she was deported, too. If she went voluntarily, then I feel she really didn't put her children first.

Like I said in my earlier post, I think the children should have gone with them even though they are American citizens. Why let the eldest take care of the younger ones, I think ages 15 and 11.

I actually agree with you, I don't think the president's children should
sign up, or fight in Iraq, this would be a terrorist dream to have the president's daughters as a hostage...BUT the truth is there are usually few if any, on the left or right, who are willing to sacrifice their children for the things that they think are soooo noble enough for our children to sacrifice themselves for. I think this is the whole point. My thing is don't ask your countrymen to do anything that you wouldn't do yourself, left or right.
They are not children. They are grown women.
It's their choice.  Can you say with certainty that if one of them or both of them came to George Bush and said I am joining the Marines he would talk them out of it?  I just don't see it that way.  At any rate, again, they have a mind of their own. 
Careful what you say, God's children might be listening!

The religious right's version of freedom of speech.  Scary, huh?


Criminal Twist In Evolution Debate

LAWRENCE, Kansas, Dec. 6, 2005

(AP) A Kansas professor whose planned course on creationism and intelligent design was canceled after he sent e-mails deriding Christian conservatives was taken to the hospital Monday following what he said was a beating.

University of Kansas religious studies professor Paul Mirecki told the Lawrence Journal-World that two men who beat him were making references to the class that was to be offered for the first time this coming spring. Originally called Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies, the course was canceled last week at Mirecki's request.

The class was added after the Kansas Board of Education decided to include more criticism of evolution in science standards for elementary and secondary students.

I didn't know them, Mirecki said of his alleged assailants, but I'm sure they knew me.

One recent e-mail from Mirecki to members of a student organization referred to religious conservatives as fundies, and said a course describing intelligent design as mythology would be a nice slap in their big fat face. Mirecki has apologized for those comments.

Lt. Kari Wempe, a spokeswoman for the Douglas County Sheriff's Department, said a deputy was dispatched to Lawrence Memorial Hospital after receiving a call around 7 a.m. regarding a battery.

She said Mirecki reported he was attacked around 6:40 a.m. in rural Douglas County south of Lawrence. Mirecki told the Journal-World he was driving to breakfast when he noticed the men tailgating him in a pickup truck.

I just pulled over hoping they would pass, and then they pulled up real close behind, he said. They got out, and I made the mistake of getting out.

He said the men beat him on the head, shoulders and back with their fists, and possibly a metal object.

Wempe said Mirecki drove himself to the hospital.

Mirecki told the student newspaper, The University Daily Kansan, that he spent between three and four hours at the hospital. He said his injuries included a broken tooth.

I'm mostly shaken up, and I got some bruises and sore spots, he told the Journal-World.

Wempe said Mirecki described the suspects as two white men between 30 and 40 years of age. One of the men was described as wearing a red visor-like ball cap and wool gloves. Mirecki said the men left in a large pickup truck.

Wempe said the department will investigate every aspect, but couldn't discuss specifics.

Andrew Stangl, president of the Society for Open Minded Atheists and Agnostics at the university, described the attack as bizarre and terrifying. He said Mirecki, who is the group's faculty adviser, is adamant that the alleged beating is related to the recently canceled course.

That absolutely shocked me, he said, because people don't do that in a civilized society.

Sen. Kay O'Connor, a Mirecki critic, said there is no excuse for someone physically assaulting the professor - regardless of their politics.

I have zero tolerance for thugs, she said. There is never an excuse to behave in such a manner. This was just thugs. They used a flimsy excuse, if they had one, to behave as thugs. They can talk about the ID (intelligent design) course if they want to, but that's not an excuse.

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Would you like me to quote how many children killed TI
by Hamas Muslim suicide bombers?  Children have been dying all along. You have so little scope of this picture, it is insulting.
Where's the concern for the dying US children?

I don't know whether you are a Republican or Democrat (or neither), but I have found that many Republicans are against this bill.  The ironic thing to me is that many Republicans are pro-life.  Many care so much about saviing the babies in the womb, but where is the concern for little children who are suffering?  I think it's hypocritical for one to say that they care so much about bringing this life into the world and giving it a chance to live, and yet if that same child gets leukemia it's on it's own because God forbid our taxes might get raised or something.

Sometimes you just have to DO THE RIGHT THING.  I believe the right thing is health insurance for all American children.  What would Jesus do?

Detained Iraqi children

Okay, this is about as disturbing as it gets.  I came across this thread on the Democratic Underground website:

Source: AFP

Agence France-Presse

BAGHDAD -- US troops are holding nearly 950 children and teenagers in a military prison at a Baghdad base, some as young as 10, a top commander said Monday.

Brigadier General Michael Nevin of US military police said many of these youngsters, mainly 15, 16 or 17 years of age are illiterate and have been detained for planting bombs and even for "picking up a gun and firefighting."


"These juveniles have been involved in something that is perceived as a security threat to Iraq or coalition forces," Nevin told Agence France-Presse during a tour of Camp Cropper.


"In January we had around 100 juveniles. Now we have around 950," Nevin said.


One of the commanders at Camp Cropper, Lieutenant Colonel Malcolm McMullen, said the juveniles were now part of a wide-ranging educational program launched by the military.

"Many of them come from broken homes with no education," he said.

So, curious as to what type of educational program launched by the military, as I thought it funny this little tibit of information was left out, I came across this:


I think we need to dig further.

now now children, play nicely.
what about Obama's children and all the lies
i'm sure you have no sympathy for them, though.
Does it really matter what her children's names are
or why she and her husband chose their particular names.  Both of my children (now grown) have names that could be considered old-fashioned. but my husband and I chose simply them simply because we like the names.  What she named her children really has no relevance in the upcoming election.  More important is her stand on the issues that affect us as a country. 
I worry about the children on both sides sm

Obama's and Palin's.  They are young and this is a different world now than it was when JFK was in and Carter too.

Though, I would think being a mother to very young children and being a VP is going to be a whole different situation than being the Governor.  I would think there is going to be a lot more travel involved with a VP than Gov., but I might be wrong.  Never having done either job, I can't really say.

I'm not saying that Obama's kids are going to be better off if he is elected either.  I just don't know how used to their mom being away that Palin's kids are as opposed to Obama's kids.  They've had a little more time to adjust.  And, as sexist as it is, most people still believe that the primary parenting duty is on the mother.  I am not saying that is what I think (it's 50/50 IMO), but I do believe the majority feel that way. 

Hmm, pictures I saw showed her children there with her.
There are people who travel for business and take their families with them, but they don't bring the family to their business meetings. DUH? What grade are you in? If you're going to get into a battle of wits, please at least come armed.
So you still think that children are fair game...
I would say that definitely has to do with bottom feeders. But if Obama's followers continue this...it will not help his case with the average American and he knows it. He is asking you not to deep six is campaign. I, however, say go for it. Smear and fear, go after Palin and her pregnant daughter. get right down there on the bottom and chomp.
I agree with the point that the children's
private lives should be left out of it, but as to being on stage, that is just showing family support for their parents. Two entirely different things.
I agree! SP needs to be at home with her children!

You CANNOT work a regular fulltime job when your children are small and need you at home, let alone run for VP!!! There is no such thing as, "have it all!" You may THINK you have it all, but if your little ones could talk, they would say that you need to be home with them! They need you! I am so tired of people defending this lady!

Looks like the children skipped the link
indiana has insurance for children
Hoosier Healthwise is a health insurance program for Indiana children, pregnant women, and low-income families. Health care is provided at little or no cost to Indiana families enrolled in the program. The enrolled member chooses a doctor to get regular checkups and health care for illnesses. Other health needs such as prescriptions, dental care, vision care, family planning services, and mental health services are also available as part of the Hoosier Healthwise program.
if you are determined to save all children
You have a moral obligation to end this war and to bring them home, and as veterans you have a moral obligation to financially support and care for them and their children for the rest of their lives.
it would be my children's choices,not mine
The grandmother stayed with the children.
Both of them stated many times that grandma was taking care of the children while they were gone.
The children were used as props...end of story!
Nothing you can say will convince me that Palin's children were not used as props, and I refuse to discuss this subject with you any further!
No instead they hide behind woman and children
In their own country. Not in boats.

I wish the people reporting this on the news would not be so iggy.
Health insurance for children up to age 30...
Does no one see what is wrong with this picture?

Hint.....children.....30-year-old children...those children that should have their own jobs and their own health insurance.

Palin used her children as props...
So whatever attention she received, positive or negative, was her own choice. No one forced her to schlep those children all over the United States while she was stumping for John McCain. If you ask me, they should have stayed back in Alaska and gone to school like every other child in their class. Palin is just reaping the nasty mess she sowed!