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I certainly don't think Barack has what you seek.

Posted By: Passport a nonissue to me. nm on 2008-09-03
In Reply to: I don't know if concern is the word, - but....




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How do you know how I seek my opinions?
Just because I don't listen to far left, excuse the phrase, wackos, that have been discredited right and left does not mean I don't seek out diverse opinions. I read and watch a lot of opposing views. I will say that I have core beliefs in which I have made my mind up about and my opinion does not sway with the direction of the wind on any given day. I don't see anything wrong with that, and that philosophy has served me well over nearly a half a century of life, so I will stick with the tried and proven.
The truth is out there for those who seek it out.
how many different ways the economy tanked before January 2007. Don't make me go dig up the dozens of posts I have already put up here in the past month or so. Obama is not a socialist, the economy is already a castrophe and you are not dealing with a full deck if you claim the economy was just fine until dems showed up in Congress. Buy hey, don't take my word for it. Voters will be letting you know exactly who they hold responsible in one short week.
Go play your own games. Would rather seek
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No, I think the point is you don't seek out diverse opinions..sm
I watch Fox, listen to Hannity, O'Reilly, and many other conservatives (the ones that can be civil and are not self centered). I read and watch opposing views as often as I do amen columns/shows.

Condi Rice said at a graduation ceremony, (as I remember reading the article) *If you feel strongly about something (politically) that's fine, just seek out someone who feels the exact opposite and talk to them about it.*
Mayors seek bailout funds
The first of many?


No, I watch the same thing, only I seek out diverse opinions.sm
In the past, I did not.

Here's a quiz for you: Name the best-known and most influential conservative commentators in America? Rush Limbaugh? George F. Will? Bill O'Reilly? Now, quick, who are their liberal counterparts?
Six Democratic War Vets Seek House Seats ...see article

By KIMBERLY HEFLING, Associated Press Writer Tue Oct 4, 3:45 AM ET



WASHINGTON - Lawyer Patrick Murphy and five other veterans of the Given their experience in Iraq, the six Democrats in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Maryland and Virginia say they are eminently qualified to pose the tough questions. Their reservations mirror public opinion, with an increasing number of Americans expressing concern about the mission and favoring a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops.


The most recent Associated Press-Ipsos poll showed only 37 percent of Americans approve of Bush's handling of Iraq, with 62 percent disapproving.


This summer, Democrat Paul Hackett, an Iraq war veteran, nearly defeated Republican Jean Schmidt in a special election in an Ohio district considered a GOP stronghold. Hackett focused on his wartime experience and his opposition to Bush's policies.


On Monday, with support from Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and other party leaders, Hackett decided to seek a higher office, the Senate seat now held by two-term Republican Mike DeWine, said spokesman David Woodruff.


Some guys don't think it's time to question our government, but the fact is I love my country, said Murphy, 31, who fought with the 82nd Airborne Division. We need to have an exit strategy now.


While fighting in Iraq, a private asked then-Capt. Murphy why U.S. forces were in the Persian Gulf nation and was told it didn't matter; there was a job to do and just try to return home safely.


That wasn't the time to question our government, Murphy recalled.


Murphy is challenging first-term Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick, a Republican in the northern Philadelphia suburbs of the 8th District.


Another Iraq war veteran, Texas Republican Van Taylor, is also running for a House seat, but he backs President Bush.


In 1974, public outrage over the Watergate scandal and Republican President Richard M. Nixon's administration swept a class of reform-minded Democrats into office. It's too soon to measure the impact of the war on the 2006 elections, but the handful of veterans pursuing seats in the House is an early indicator.


The Democratic veterans walk a fine line as they reach out to voters who may question Bush's handling of the conflict. The task is to challenge the administration while still being seen as patriotic.


David Ashe, who spent most of 2003 working as a Marine judge advocate general in Iraq, chooses his words carefully when asked whether the United States should have invaded.


There's no reason to Monday morning quarterback the decision, said Ashe, 36, who is trying to unseat first-term Republican Rep. Thelma Drake in Virginia's 2nd District. I would say we're in the right position to succeed. Whether or not we're going to get that success remains to be seen.


Although they often talk tough about the Bush administration, some of the candidates don't fit the typical anti-war image, said Charles Sheehan-Miles, executive director of Veterans for Common Sense.


They really want to help the Iraqi people and see the mission through, and they think we're losing because of stupid mistakes made at the senior leadership level, Sheehan-Miles said.


Historically, war experience has added to a candidate's credibility. As many as 70 percent of lawmakers in the 1950s were war veterans, but only about 40 percent of the members of Congress today have military experience.


During the Vietnam War, there was such a collective funk that veterans felt free to criticize, said John Johannes, a political science professor at Villanova University. A few, like Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., got their political start as anti-war activists.

Veterans today have an advantage because Americans have a positive feeling about soldiers, said John Allen Williams, a political scientist at Loyola University in Chicago.

Unlike Vietnam, people who do not like the war are not blaming the veterans, Williams said.

But that will not guarantee success, contends Ed Patru, deputy communications director for the National Republican Congressional Committee. Democratic war veterans who are seen as liberal on other issues aren't going to be popular with voters, he said.

I think a lot of Democrats are looking at what happened in Ohio and trying to duplicate that around the country, Patru said.

Taylor, 33, a Republican businessman from West Texas, supports Bush's policies. He is a major in the Marines reserves, and, like the Democrats, cites his war experience.

The war on terror is going to be with us for a long time and Congress is going to grapple with the war on terror, Taylor said. We need policy-makers who know what it means to make war.

Bryan Lentz, 41, an attorney from Swarthmore, Pa., volunteered to go to Iraq at age 39 with a civil affairs unit. The Army reserves major was so disillusioned by the lack of a plan in Iraq that he decided while he was in Iraq to run for Congress.

He is trying to unseat 10-term GOP Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), who is vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

I'm not anti-war, I'm anti-failure, Lentz said. We need to define what victory is and we need to set a plan to get there. You cannot stay the course if you do not set a course.


Germany seek charges against Rumsfeld for prison abuse sm

Friday, Nov. 10, 2006
Exclusive: Charges Sought Against Rumsfeld Over Prison Abuse
A lawsuit in Germany will seek a criminal prosecution of the outgoing Defense Secretary and other U.S. officials for their alleged role in abuses at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo


Just days after his resignation, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is about to face more repercussions for his involvement in the troubled wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. New legal documents, to be filed next week with Germany's top prosecutor, will seek a criminal investigation and prosecution of Rumsfeld, along with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior U.S. civilian and military officers, for their alleged roles in abuses committed at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The plaintiffs in the case include 11 Iraqis who were prisoners at Abu Ghraib, as well as Mohammad al-Qahtani, a Saudi held at Guantanamo, whom the U.S. has identified as the so-called 20th hijacker and a would-be participant in the 9/11 hijackings. As TIME first reported in June 2005, Qahtani underwent a special interrogation plan, personally approved by Rumsfeld, which the U.S. says produced valuable intelligence. But to obtain it, according to the log of his interrogation and government reports, Qahtani was subjected to forced nudity, sexual humiliation, religious humiliation, prolonged stress positions, sleep deprivation and other controversial interrogation techniques.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs say that one of the witnesses who will testify on their behalf is former Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the one-time commander of all U.S. military prisons in Iraq. Karpinski — who the lawyers say will be in Germany next week to publicly address her accusations in the case — has issued a written statement to accompany the legal filing, which says, in part: It was clear the knowledge and responsibility [for what happened at Abu Ghraib] goes all the way to the top of the chain of command to the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld .

A spokesperson for the Pentagon told TIME there would be no comment since the case has not yet been filed.

Along with Rumsfeld, Gonzales and Tenet, the other defendants in the case are Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone; former assistant attorney general Jay Bybee; former deputy assisant attorney general John Yoo; General Counsel for the Department of Defense William James Haynes II; and David S. Addington, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff. Senior military officers named in the filing are General Ricardo Sanchez, the former top Army official in Iraq; Gen. Geoffrey Miller, the former commander of Guantanamo; senior Iraq commander, Major General Walter Wojdakowski; and Col. Thomas Pappas, the one-time head of military intelligence at Abu Ghraib.

Germany was chosen for the court filing because German law provides universal jurisdiction allowing for the prosecution of war crimes and related offenses that take place anywhere in the world. Indeed, a similar, but narrower, legal action was brought in Germany in 2004, which also sought the prosecution of Rumsfeld. The case provoked an angry response from Pentagon, and Rumsfeld himself was reportedly upset. Rumsfeld's spokesman at the time, Lawrence DiRita, called the case a a big, big problem. U.S. officials made clear the case could adversely impact U.S.-Germany relations, and Rumsfeld indicated he would not attend a major security conference in Munich, where he was scheduled to be the keynote speaker, unless Germany disposed of the case. The day before the conference, a German prosecutor announced he would not pursue the matter, saying there was no indication that U.S. authorities and courts would not deal with allegations in the complaint.

In bringing the new case, however, the plaintiffs argue that circumstances have changed in two important ways. Rumsfeld's resignation, they say, means that the former Defense Secretary will lose the legal immunity usually accorded high government officials. Moreover, the plaintiffs argue that the German prosecutor's reasoning for rejecting the previous case — that U.S. authorities were dealing with the issue — has been proven wrong.

The utter and complete failure of U.S. authorities to take any action to investigate high-level involvement in the torture program could not be clearer, says Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a U.S.-based non-profit helping to bring the legal action in Germany. He also notes that the Military Commissions Act, a law passed by Congress earlier this year, effectively blocks prosecution in the U.S. of those involved in detention and interrogation abuses of foreigners held abroad in American custody going to back to Sept. 11, 2001. As a result, Ratner contends, the legal arguments underlying the German prosecutor's previous inaction no longer hold up.

Whatever the legal merits of the case, it is the latest example of efforts in Western Europe by critics of U.S. tactics in the war on terror to call those involved to account in court. In Germany, investigations are under way in parliament concerning cooperation between the CIA and German intelligence on rendition — the kidnapping of suspected terrorists and their removal to third countries for interrogation. Other legal inquiries involving rendition are under way in both Italy and Spain.

U.S. officials have long feared that legal proceedings against war criminals could be used to settle political scores. In 1998, for example, former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet — whose military coup was supported by the Nixon administration — was arrested in the U.K. and held for 16 months in an extradition battle led by a Spanish magistrate seeking to charge him with war crimes. He was ultimately released and returned to Chile. More recently, a Belgian court tried to bring charges against then Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon for alleged crimes against Palestinians.

For its part, the Bush Administration has rejected adherence to the International Criminal Court (ICC) on grounds that it could be used to unjustly prosecute U.S. officials. The ICC is the first permanent tribunal established to prosecute war crimes, genocide and other crimes against humanity.


5 top Gitmo detainees plead guilty, seek martyrdom

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/08/Gitmo_911_suspects_to_plead_guilty/UPI-68631228752620/


 


Barack's name

I read a very interesting article regarding Barak Obama’s name:


 


Barack is a Semetic word and it means “to bless” (verb), or “blessing” (noun).  The Hebrew form is Barak which is found throughout the Bible.


 


Hussein is a Semetic word meaning “good”.


 


To quote a couple highlights of an article written by Juan Cole who is President of the Global Americana Institute…..


 


I want to say something about Barack Hussein Obama's name. It is a name to be proud of. It is an American name. It is a blessed name. It is a heroic name, as heroic and American in its own way as the name of General Omar Nelson Bradley or the name of Benjamin Franklin. And denigrating that name is a form of racial and religious bigotry of the most vile and debased sort. It is a prejudice against names deriving from Semitic languages!


 


Barack Obama's middle name is in honor of his grandfather, Hussein, a secular resident of Nairobi. Americans may think of Saddam Hussein when they hear the name, but that is like thinking of Stalin when you hear the name Joseph. There have been lots of Husseins in history, from the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, a hero who touched the historian Gibbon, to King Hussein of Jordan, one of America's most steadfast allies in the 20th century. The author of the beloved American novel, The Kite Runner, is Khaled Hosseini.


 


So, anyway, Obama's first two names mean "Blessing, the Good." If we are lucky enough to get him for president, we can only hope that his names are prophetic for us.”


Barack backers

With Oprah and George Soros behind Obama, he is going to be a strong contender. He has ample time to prove his leadership ability in the months ahead. Better dig out my shades, the future looks bright.


 


duh yourself - Barack IS 50% white... LOL

 


and some of us love people of color but not voting for him for other reasons,


There are people voting for him strictly because he's part black, and some people voting for hillary because she is female -


these are BAD reasons.........to vote for anybody........


 


barack obama
why would you want someone who refuses to say the pledge of allegience or even put his hand over his heart during the pledge to be the president of the US?
Barack Obama all the way.

Barack Obama has a lot going for him..s/m
When I see and listen to him I get a very hopeful feeling about the future. He's an extremely intelligent fellow, and has that youthful exuberance about him. The negative that I see right now is that his visions/goals seem a little too lofty, and he needs to be a little more specific as to what he would do exactly about this or that, and I think that he will as time goes on.  It's rather difficult not to get good feelings about him. He's smart, young, exuberant, and let's face it, the future of this country lies in the hands of the young people.
Wow....you should be in Barack's campaign...
you took one sentence out of what I said and spun it so hard I'm dizzy. LOL. How you got that I made an assumption that noncaucasian nonchristian people are incapable of thinking for themselves. You are the one who suggested that anyone who hates does so by choice because they won't think for themselves...?
Same could be said for Barack. Many are voting for
because he is any more experienced than SP (who is only running for VP, lest we forget-McCain's not dead yet, though some like to exaggerate he's teetering on the brink of death). Like it or not, POTUS is partially a popularity contest. Personally, I prefer to vote for someone who isn't seeking the popular vote and who doesn't put on a front to earn it. However, if you're going to shoot people down for liking SP, it won't work because just as many have sided with Barack for the same reason.
good for Barack

don't let that old guy tell you what you should do.  Another clumsy grand event from the McCain circus.  Hope Barack goes to the debate and just sits there patiently for 90 minutes waiting for McCain to show up.


 


God and Barack Obama

Dr. Paul Kengor - Guest Columnist - 10/28/2008 7:45:00 AM


Let me begin with what I hope is a credibility enhancer: For daring to write a book on the faith of Hillary Clinton, I was questioned by fellow conservatives, especially for calling Mrs. Clinton a "lifelong, committed Christian." In the final chapter of that book, I included a brief section on the faith of Barack Obama, where, taking him at his word—based on a major June 2006 speech on his faith—I felt confident in reporting, "Obama is a Christian."


I'm not disputing that here. Since then, however, I've taken a careful look at Obama's faith, and there are quite a few things that stand out as historically extremely unusual, and in some cases unprecedented for a potential president. They are worth knowing, especially given the secular media's adoration of the man.


Indeed, journalists are so worshipful of Obama that they are unfazed by his two decades of membership in the church of a ranting, blasphemous preacher who mocked everything from Bill Clinton to America itself—and who married Obama, baptized his children, and whom Obama considers a mentor and the inspiration for the title of his best-selling book. That double standard has struck even the likes of atheist Christopher Hitchens. After eight years of wailing and gnashing of teeth over a Christian Republican president, secular liberals have undergone a Saul-like conversion.


On rare occasions, however, the press has offered constructive analysis of Obama's faith. The most revealing look remains a glowing profile in Newsweek a couple of months ago. The Newsweek offering was remarkably one-sided, even venturing into evangelical phraseology, the shared-language-of-believers style characteristic of Religious Right publications. I counted ten examples of phrases like, "He found Christ," "accept Christ," "Obama went to Jesus."


Nonetheless, even in this unusually un-critical article, much can be mined about Obama's faith. Most salient is this inescapable conclusion: More than any presidential nominee this close to the White House, Barack Obama's faith is a patchwork of divergent beliefs, philosophies, and influences, from what Newsweek called a "Christian-turned-secular mother"—her own views a product of "two lapsed Christian" parents and a Bill Moyers book—to a "Muslim-turned-atheist African father" to a stepfather with a "unique brand of Islam."


As for Obama's personal path, Newsweek noted how Obama, in his younger years, enjoyed, on one hand, Augustine, and then Nietzsche and Graham Greene. Obama hopped and groped his way through Islam, Buddhism, Catholicism, Protestantism, asceticism, and eventually settled at the political church of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.


Most interesting is what Newsweek revealed about Obama and his current family: His wife, Michelle, "also didn't go to church regularly as a child." Neither really began regular attendance until they were married. And only then, their choice was Reverend Wright. On that, Newsweek reported approvingly: "The cross under which Obama went to Jesus was at the controversial Trinity United Church of Christ. It was a good fit."


The couple, writes Newsweek, attended "fairly often—two or three times a month." That changed, becoming less frequent, with the birth of their first child. Normally, the arrival of children is the blessed event that drags young couples to church—the Bushes, the Clintons. For the Obamas, however, the hassle of getting the baby out of the house for a packed service was an obstacle. "So," explained Barack, "that would cut back our involvement."


The Obama girls have never attended Sunday school—a definite contrast with most White House children. Even wayward president's kids like Ron Reagan, a proud atheist, was taken to church every Sunday. Obama explains of his daughters' religious education: "I'm a big believer in a faith that is not imposed but taps into what's already there, their curiosity of spirit."


Once Obama ran for the U.S. Senate, he skipped church for months at a time. Now that he publicly parted ways with Reverend Wright, reports Newsweek with a gentle wink, "Obama is a little spiritually rootless again." Newsweek neglected to mention that Obama often appeared in churches in 2007 for strictly political purposes—i.e., to campaign in houses of worship, a practice that launches liberals into fits of screaming rage when done by Republicans.


On the plus side, there are some discernible spiritual practices in Obama's life: family grace at mealtime, daily prayer, Obama "sometimes" reading the Bible in evenings, and inspirational emails zapped to the senator by his "religious outreach team." Yet, even with that nod to something of a religious routine, one senses that Obama is still trying to reconcile, as Newsweek described his early life, "his rational side with his yearning for transcendence."


After demonstrating at length that Obama's belief system is an amalgam, unorthodox, and undisciplined, Newsweek wrapped up with a shot at his detractors: "Some on the right say his particular brand of Christianity is a modern amalgam—unorthodox, undisciplined...."


No, Newsweek, that's what you say.


One can see here another reason the secular left embraces Obama: His entire religious life, including the spiritual development of his family, is relativistic—an ever-probing quest, a realization of no single truth. The left likes this Democrat more than, say, a lifelong Baptist like Bill Clinton, a lifelong Roman Catholic like John Kerry, a lifelong Methodist like Hillary Clinton, a "born-again" southerner like Jimmy Carter. Here's a believer secular liberals can accept: a relativist in the most expansive form.


A President Obama would bring to the office the most unconventional religious portfolio of any president in a long time, arguably the history of the American presidency.


But to get there, the freshman senator hopes to win just enough of those moral-religious "values voters" who twice made the difference for George W. Bush. Can Barack Obama do that?


Can Obama win the 'values voter'?
In 2000 and 2004, it was the churchgoing moral-religious "values voters" that made the difference for George W. Bush. Barack Obama hopes to peel off just enough of those voters. What are his chances? From my vantage, Obama faces five primary obstacles:


First, Reverend Jeremiah Wright remains an albatross, even given the media's best efforts to avoid him. The ranting, raving, blaspheming political sermons by an uncorked, unhinged Wright—with the congregation loving every minute—remains a cruise missile at Obama's bid for moderate to conservative churchgoers. Obama was way too close to Wright to politically extricate himself.


Second—brace yourselves, liberals—a sizable number of Americans suspect Obama is lying about Islamic roots. A Newsweek poll in June found that 12 percent of voters are convinced Obama is a Muslim, and one-in-four believe he was raised a Muslim. Such thinking has intensified with Jerome Corsi's bestselling book and with research by Islam observers like Daniel Pipes—who, though he accepts that Obama is today a Christian, says Obama is "lying" when he denies he was never a Muslim. Additional oddities continue to surface, such as a YouTube video in which Moammar Kaddafi is said to describe Obama as a fellow Muslim.


When I recently shared this factor with some liberals, their faces visibly contorted and they began yelling at me. Nonetheless, perceptions matter. This issue might become statistically important in a close election.


Third, conservative Christians are offended by how the secular left has greeted Obama as a messianic figure. The hosannas during Obama's Europe trip were so over-the-top that London Times columnist Gerard Baker ridiculed the senator's visit as akin to Christ's entrance into Jerusalem. The BBC interviewed a worshipful German who described Obama as his "redeemer." Fox found another who exalted his "new messiah." To the question, "Who do you say that I am?" some Europeans made their choice as Obama swept into their presence.


Given the agnostic left's search for salvation in politics, this is not a surprise, especially in post-modern, de-Christianized Europe.


This has only gotten worse. No less than a U.S. congressman, Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), said on the House floor on September 10 that, "Barack Obama was a 'community organizer' like Jesus." (He then added, in reference to Governor Sarah Palin, that "Pontius Pilate was a governor.") And now there's YouTube video of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan calling Obama "the Messiah."


This is backfiring on Obama among the values voters he is seeking. To them, this reverence by the secular left is intolerably hypocritical. Liberals went bonkers when a presidential candidate named George W. Bush merely cited Christ as his favorite philosopher. And now they can compare Obama to Christ?


Fourth, "values voters" are skeptical of this appeal to faith by the Democratic nominee. There has been a well-orchestrated, openly admitted campaign, begun just days after the 2004 vote, especially by Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid, to get Democrats talking faith as much as possible. Actual Democratic Party working groups and colloquia have been established, employing the Christian left's language of "social justice."


Obama himself picked this up early on. In a June 2006 address to the Call to Renewal convention, Obama appealed to religious voters. He recalled how in his 2004 Senate race, his support of abortion rankled his opponent. Obama protested, arguing there were policy issues that proved his Christianity—issues like supporting daycare subsidies and the estate tax.


Obama can protest all he wants, but values voters consider legislation mandating medical care for abortion survivors more important than legislation mandating estate taxes for the wealthy.


Speaking of which, and fifth, abortion is beyond doubt the overwhelming obstacle for Obama. He is the most extremist pro-choicer ever to get this close to the presidency. His stand-alone votes against bills protecting newborn babies who survive abortions were horrible. He calls abortion a "safety net" and vowed to Planned Parenthood in July 2007 that the "first thing" he would do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which would nationalize abortion policy and overturn all the perfectly reasonable state-level restrictions on abortion by bipartisan legislatures throughout America. Then there are Obama's revealing statements on the stump—such as how he would hate to see his daughters get pregnant out-of-wedlock and "punished with a baby."


Secular liberals cannot begin to imagine the opposition to Obama strictly on abortion. I've received an email several times, titled, "10 Reasons Christians Shouldn't Vote for Obama." Among the ten, seven are on abortion.


The unprecedented outcry from the religious community is further evidence. The reaction of the Catholic bishops is extraordinary. I've never witnessed them so exercised and committed to leading the flock, and doing so carefully and eloquently, especially among traditional Catholics who still think their party is run by Harry Truman and Jack Kennedy, and literally don't even know Obama is pro-choice.


A poll last week by Investor's Business Daily showed a swing of 20 points for John McCain among Catholics, from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead. If McCain wins Catholics, he wins the election.


It all adds up to the reality that Barack Obama will have difficulty picking up values voters. His hope that they are not energized by McCain has dissipated with the Sarah Palin pick and the steady emergence of information on his abortion fanaticism.


A summer Pew poll showed McCain leading Obama among evangelicals by 61 to 25 percent, comparable to the margin enjoyed by Bush over AL Gore in 2000. More recently, the respected scholar Dr. John Green released a study finding that evangelicals favor McCain 57.2 percent to 19.9 percent, very similar to Bush's 60.4 percent to 19.6 percent over John Kerry at the same point in 2004.


It remains to be seen where, exactly, this will finish next Tuesday. As in 2000 and 2004, however, the values voters could make the difference.


Yes, I certainly can see you are "solid as Barack" sm
Certainly as solid-headed.

That is probably the most rude, arrogant, condescending post I have seen on this board in a while, not to mention the fact that you have trampled all over her Constitutional civil liberty to free speech. If you will kindly apologize, I'm sure Barack will share his ice cream with you.


How do you do, I’m Barack Obama

and I am very pleased to meet you.


 


Oh, and this is my spouse, America.  Please pay her no mind, she is a complete embarrassment to me.  Ours was an arranged marriage – a family thing – and now I’m stuck with her.


 


Although I am sure you have already been offended by them, let me enumerate some of her many faults:


1.  She is fluent in only one language.  Sure, me too, but the point is that I could learn a second language if I wanted to.  I have just been too busy organizing communities and running for public office.  On the other hand, what else does she have to do with her time?


2.  America eats too much.


3.  America keeps her room too warm.  I, however, am from Hawaii and like my office hot enough to grow orchids.  Besides, I look great in shirt sleeves.


4.  America drives her car too much, and it’s the wrong kind of car. 


5.  I want her to take the bus, but she refuses.  Me?  No, I’ve been too involved in my work to take time to do that.  Also I have people to drive me around. 


6.  America buys the wrong type of light bulbs.  Her TV is too big.


7.  Have you seen her wardrobe?  What am I saying?  Don’t look!


8.  I hate her friends and relatives.  I’d much rather hang out with you guys.


9.  Her interests do not interest me.  They’re low-class and boring. 


10.  Her friends all mostly have jobs and work pretty hard.  Many of them hold jobs I consider menial and yet object when those jobs are sent overseas.  What’s up with that? They don’t seem impressed by me.  She has a couple of disabled friends who can’t work and she voluntarily supports them.   I prefer to be admired by incompetent people I can ‘help’ but she and her friends won't give me money for these folks.  We’ll see about that.  Since when did selfishness become a virtue?


11.  America has this weird idea that if our bank account is low, we should stop spending money.  What’s up with that? 


12.  America would do just about anything to help her friends, both here and overseas. She will stand up for them and she will voluntarily send them her own money.  Voluntarily?  If everybody had the right to decide that would be chaos!  Somebody needs to be in charge.  (Since I don’t much like my wife or her family and friends, no skin off my nose if they have a problem.  Let them work it out on their own.)


 


So anyhow,  I do apologize for bringing America to the party.  Did I mention that it was an arranged marriage?  The best I can do at this point is try to give her the benefit of my superior intellect, my deeper understanding of geopolitics, economics and the environment, my fabulous taste in clothing and just hope that I can make her less uncomfortable for all of you people to be around.  Until I get her shaped up, please pay her no mind and accept my apologies..... 


 


Nice place you’ve got here!


 


Excuse me, Barack again.
I forgot to mention the kids.  I don't believe she's raising them properly and I'm thinking of taking them away from her.  America is trying to teach our children ridiculous notions like thrift, self-reliance, responsibility, loyalty and pride in their accomplishments.  She's telling them that they can succeed without my help and make a life for themselves, that they should work hard, become educated and strike out on their own, maybe even start a business.  She says that if I just get out of their way they will become adults.  You would think she doesn't want them hanging on her apron strings their entire life.

 

They can have the opportunities I give them.  I don't want them running around creating their own.  That's selfish and I don't want my kids acting that way!  My children should be lining up with all the other kids for the free programs I'll be offering.  You let a kid get ideas like that and suddenly he doesn't need to lean on his parents anymore.  If everybody's kids had that attitude, what use would there be for someone like me, who only wants to spread the wealth and level the playing field? 

 

I'm way too busy to get involved raising them myself, but maybe I'll send them to boarding school in Europe.  Before it's too late, these children need to be knocked down a peg or two and learn to ignore America's lessons.  It's for their own good.  They'll soon stop missing their mother and pretty quickly won't even remember her voice.  And they'll remain my little children for ever......

Excuse me, Barack again.
I forgot to mention the kids.  I don't believe she's raising them properly and I'm thinking of taking them away from her.  America is trying to teach our children ridiculous notions like thrift, self-reliance, responsibility, loyalty and pride in their accomplishments.  She's telling them that they can succeed without my help and make a life for themselves, that they should work hard, become educated and strike out on their own, maybe even start a business.  She says that if I just get out of their way they will become adults.  You would think she doesn't want them hanging on her apron strings their entire life.

 

They can have the opportunities I give them.  I don't want them running around creating their own.  That's selfish and I don't want my kids acting that way!  My children should be lining up with all the other kids for the free programs I'll be offering.  You let a kid get ideas like that and suddenly he doesn't need to lean on his parents anymore.  If everybody's kids had that attitude, what use would there be for someone like me, who only wants to spread the wealth and level the playing field? 

 

I'm way too busy to get involved raising them myself, but maybe I'll send them to boarding school in Europe.  Before it's too late, these children need to be knocked down a peg or two and learn to ignore America's lessons.  It's for their own good.  They'll soon stop missing their mother and pretty quickly won't even remember her voice.  And they'll remain my little children for ever......

Barack Obama for President
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Fox Attacks Barack Obama..sm
(see link)
I can tell you some of Barack Obama's views on this

I agree that this is a huge issue.  We have the technology to be virtually independent energy wise, but too many crooked politicians have too much money invested in the oil companies and have no interest in seeing alternative energy sources take away any of their profit.  That, in my opinion, is a huge source of our problem.  Below I will post a portion of what Obama plans to do about the energy crisis (from his website - barackobama.com).  He has a much more detailed plan listed on his website.  I'm posting a link if anyone would like to read more.


"Barack Obama believes we have a moral, environmental, economic, and security imperative to address our dependence on foreign oil and tackle climate change in a serious, sustainable manner.




  • Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to the level recommended by top scientists to avoid calamitous impacts.
  • Invest $150 billion over the next ten years to develop and deploy climate friendly energy supplies, protect our existing manufacturing base and create millions of new jobs.
  • Dramatically improve energy efficiency to reduce energy intensity of our economy by 50 percent by 2030.
  • Reduce our dependence on foreign oil and reduce oil consumption overall by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels of oil, by 2030.
  • Make the U.S. a leader in the global effort to combat climate change by leading a new international global warming partnership."

Those of you who will be voting for either Hillary or Barack
Would you like it if they were a political twosome this November? One for Prez and one for V.P. no matter who has which spot? Or would you rather have one totally without the other? Like you can take Hillary but no way Obama, or the other way around?
Barack is also a better speaker than Hillary
He is very distinguished, intelligent and can speak without have to read word for word off cards. She is not.
Barack should tell them to kma...see link inside

Ok, I knew I hated politics - actually I don't hate politics, just certain people in politics...this article goes to show why the Clintons are a disgrace to the democratic party.  Someone needs to slap Bill upside the head and say get with the program or get out...we don't want your kind here (this is an article coming out of UK - and they love him there).


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2211812/Bill-Clinton-says-Barack-Obama-must-'kiss-my-ass'-for-his-support.html


 


Barack does not do well in unscripted situations....
that has been demonstrated. And while Fox is fair, they wouldn't softball him like his adoring media does. Hence, he does not go on Fox. At least that is the way it appears.
You certainly seem to have the inroads to "what Barack would say.."
lol. But your comment hits the nail on the head...no one (at least not many) were fooled by the "performance." See...that is what I don't get about politics. Just a few weeks ago Obama was not the man for the job, not ready, Biden said it, Hillary said it, Bill said it. So they were lying then or they are lying now. And Biden said he would be proud to be on a ticket with John McCain and last night he questioning his judgment. Frankly, I think that stinks from a basic human level. I don't believe a word he says now. Who knows what he REALLY thinks?? Same for Bill and Hillary. I sure don't think there was a mass epiphany and all of a sudden they were convinced he IS the man for the job. Toeing the party line, putting that ahead of everything else. It happens on both side...yes. But I have never seen it as bad as this. That campaign was virulent, and now they say kum ba ya, yeah he's ready, we were just lying then; yeah, McCain was my friend and I would have been proud to run with him, now he sucks big time, believe me now, not then, and if I change next week, believe me then too. And the thing is...THEY DO. (shaking head)
Sorry...Barack. God forbid I misspell his name. (nm)
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Biden also said that Barack Obama was not...
ready to be President. I believe his words were: "THe Presidency does not lend itself to on-the-job training." Not what he is saying now. Let's be real about this.
What about Barack Obama associates?
What kind of character and judgment does that show?
I don't hate Barack Obama. I just don't want...
the Unites Socialist States of America, and he does. He and I fundamentally disagree on denying medical care to infants surviving abortion. I don't trust someone who has the kinds of associations he has...I think it speaks to an agenda that I don't think is healthy for America.

That being said, if John McCain was a socialist and championed infanticide and the worst thing I could find about Obama is that he cheated on his wife umpteen years ago, I would be voting for Obama. It is not the man, it is the ISSUES, MT Pockets...the ISSUES, and what I (I cannot speak for others) want for ourselves and our country, just like you do.

I don't "love" John McCain. I do admire his service and what he went through for this country. I do believe he loves his country. I can't truthfully say I believe he same for Barack Obama. Even that is no reason to hate him; he is entitled to have his opinion of America. I don't hate him.


When Barack wins, you guys are never going to let up are you........nm
ridiculousness
Barack is not a socialist NOT NOT PERIOD sm
get ovah your Fox faux news propaganda. Fair tax cuts do not equal socialism. That's really insane. Any day now, the McCain Bush camp is going to say Barack is a commie. Just wait.
Barack's grandmother died
 
barack flips off McCain

I know maybe it was somebody else's finger.


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=XBMdWxcFXQg


 


 


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA


                           


                          


 


Barack Obama's Speech sm

President-elect Obama's acceptance speech.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/11/barack-obama.html


Again...my feelings about Barack Obama have nothing to do...
with his color and one wonders why people keep bringing that up. My issue is with his policies and the direction he wants to take the country in. I would feel the same if he were white. Or Asian. Or Hispanic...or anything else.

Just because he is elected doesn't mean I am miraculously going to change the value system I grew up with and still have. I would not expect you to change yours if the other side had won. I would expect they would have to win you over...just like he will have to win me over. Just because he won I did not become an Obama supporter. Nothing has changed for me since yesterday as far as how I feel about him. He himself understands he has to earn my respect. So, I say to him...go ahead, President Obama. We shall see how it turns out.
Barack Obama Day with holiday pay.. sm

 


No doubt, Barack is hot - but they complement each other..........NM
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Just learned how Hillary is going to get Barack to lose

Hillary's supporters like General Wesley Clark and others are starting to come out now in full force making statements that are not favorable towards Barack.  Even though Clark's statements are true (just cos you are shot down in an aircraft doesn't mean your qualified to be President) but it doesn't help in getting your party elected to the white house.  I knew she was going to do it so that McCain would win and because he's so weak he'll only be in four years then she and Bill will run again in 4 years.  I just didn't know how she was planning it until I watched the news this a.m.  She is such a skum bag in my opinion.  The worry of having to listen to her again in 4 years is enough to put me through the roof again.


Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.?

Buchanan to Obama


By Patrick J. Buchanan


Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.?


Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.


This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:


First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a
community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.


Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.


Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ླྀs on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community
into the mainstream.


Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.


Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.


We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??


Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks.


Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?


Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and inca rceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?


Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?


As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?


Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?


We have all heard adnauseam from the Rev. AL about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But abo UT the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.


Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.


Barack's running mate - Biden

I am totally relieved to know he finally announced his VP choice.  Just got sick of the Hillary-lovers pushing for her.  So am relieved she's out of the picture.  Also relieved it's Biden.  I actually wanted Biden to win the presidential nomination when he was running.


I am very relieved mostly because Biden will bring the experience and knowlege that Barack needs.  Barack looks up to him and will definitely listen to him and follow is guidance.  I think it's an excellent choice and believe the democrats have a better than average chance to win.


As for the McCain camp - understand they are pretty upset about the choice.  I knew they were pushing for Barack to choose Hillary.  Has to make you wonder, why would the republicans be so rigid in their constantly pushing to have Barack choose Hillary - I can tell you why and its so obvious...they want to win.  Plain and simple.  If Barack chose Hillary it would be a definite 100% chance of loss (okay maybe 95% chance).  Also, do you really think the republicans are going to try to push for Barack to choose someone who is a good candidate?  So now will be interesting to see who the republicans choose for their VP.


From Barack Obama's mouth to your ears...
"We are better than this."

Well, we SHOULD be better than this. Can't we leave the name calling and mean spirited personal comments about individuals by the wayside that has nothing to do with the discussion? Especially people impaired by illness? This sounds like a junior high school lunch room.
Barack can't control what media says/does with the stories.
you imply that his camp started them without having some kind of fact to back that up. Otherwise, you lose credibility in your statements altogether since you've called for the same from democrats here.
Biden on Barack : John McCain
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=hF7Q0ghdTn4
Maybe, but with most terrorists wanting to see Barack elected, that
Wonder why they want him elected so much?