I guess my depression medication
Posted By: CG on 2008-06-24
In Reply to: I understand what you mean - Kaydie
must be working because I am happy to see in our lifetime that a woman and an African American can run for the presidency and possibly win. Times are changing. People are opening their eyes to a new day. Maybe we won't see a change in the economy in the near future, but we should all do our part to at least try to put lawmakers into office who have the peoples' best interest at heart. We pay taxes and these elected officials work for us. We can start by putting state representatives in office who will work for us in Washington. We voted for them and we can fire them. They work for us. We do have a voice.
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Actually, it might very likely to into depression anyway,
is not so all-powerful that they can put the brakes on something that has taken on a life of its own. Unless the cogs that drive this economy are retooled (and that would mean the way banks operate, loans are made, homes are bought and sold, and priced, stocks are valued and invested in, yet), American workers/investors are going to come up with more realistic and less-speculative ways to make their money work for THEM, and not just some rich guy sitting on his 40-foot yacht.
If a depression is what you want...YES.
Obama is your man.
Oh, no ...DEPRESSION is exactly what we are
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I believe we will go into a depression
regardless of which idea they go with. I really don't think there is anyway out of this.
You know what really bugs me....and this is kind along the lines of the topic of equal pay........
If a caucasian male is making more money for doing the same job as an african american, by law the african american has the right to sue for legal pay. I'm cool with that. If you do the same job and think you deserve the same pay....more power to you. If an african american is making more money for doing the same job as a caucasian, the caucasian has no legal rights to sue for equal pay. I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound equal to me.
can you spell depression?
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And you don't think this recession (soon to be depression)...(sm)
has anything to do with it? Hey, that's what republicans want, big business to grow fast--no regulation--me, me, me...
How about all those families that are going to suffer from this. Did they ask for it too?
Yes, I think there is a depression coming if it isn't already here. sm
I live in Michigan, on the west side of the state, but nonetheless in Michigan. We are so tied up in the auto industry that if the Big 3 crash and burn, Michigan may well just cease to exist. We have had 3 auto parts plants close down, Steelcase and Herman Miller are cutting jobs, because people are not hiring, so why make all that office furniture. There is nothing incoming to help take up the slack. Then, I heard on the news this morning that the city of Detroit has now appealed to the feds for help to bail it out. Detroit IS big 3 auto country. If Detroit tanks, so goes the rest of the state. Kwame Kilpatrick fallout not withstanding.
I like to think that as long as people get sick, I will have a job because I do acute care. And we all know that there are people who use the ED as a PCP. Hopefully my doctor in AZ can help me out, but he is a specialist, so who knows.
My 403(b) has lost half of what it used to be, and then I hear that they have suspended the sales of MRE's. But I think that is just over-excitable hype.
However....I have a feeling that the "Great Depression" 2008 style is coming. I don't think the "End Times" is coming, but something has to give or the United States of America will become another third world country.
Michigan is in a depression.
I was born and raised in Michigan. Your state has been hit hard. I live in the Northwest and in my neighborhood, I have 8 new families who have moved in and guess where they are from? Michigan. A lot of my family members in Michigan believe that the Oil companies should bail out the 3 car companies, not from taxpayers money. Family members do not seem to care if the car companies fold because they are already in worse shape. My cousin, last family relative working for the GM, took an early retirement package given to him 2-3 weeks BEFORE the financial crisis hit US. He was very lucky. I have family members considering moving to the Northwest and 1 family already is here and just love it.
depression statistics
This sounds familiar:
http://eh.net/Clio/Publications/unemployment.html
I meant recession, not depression. nm
All getting so depression. I doubt there is a single
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strategies for coping with the depression
I am paying off debt. Made my garden bigger. Planted some fruit trees. Stocked my pantry. But I don't want to take in any relatives......I would rather pass out free zuchini.
If we are in a full blown depression...(sm)
then I think the number of illegals coming into the country will lessen. If we can't offer them anything better here why would they come? I think there will be more pressure on the ones here because they will be competing for jobs. When Americans can't find jobs, I think they will be more likely to point out illegals or suspected illegals to lessen competition.
Another book about the Great Depression
The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes. I'm about halfway through it now and it's amazing - it could have been written about the last several years instead of the 1920s.
The people during the Great Depression were more self-sufficient that we are. sm
They could make a loaf of bread and farmed. They bartered for goods and services. They also had sound money (gold and silver) unless they left it in a bank deposit box or were duped into letting it be confiscated.
Thanks to the amended version of the Patriot Act, it is against the law to hoard food and water. Bank runs or inciting bank runs is a felony. Imagine that, it is against the law to try and protect your money. These crooks have everything covered.
Per the experts, we officially went into a depression today...nm
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poll: how many think we are headed for another great depression
me for one
It is not HATE, it is love of country and depression
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Tent cities=Great Depression
Go to timesonline.co.uk and search for California tent cities. The homeless shelters there are OVERWHELMED and turn away as much as 200 people A NIGHT!!!! There are over 300 people living in one tent city ALONE! And these are not bums or derelicts, these are low to middle class income people who had been living paycheck to paycheck as most americans do, and lost their jobs and cannot find work.
Gee, and when was the last time this country saw tent cities like this? The Great Depression.
The unemployment rate in California is over 10% and has risen to 15% in some of the hardest hit states in the country. To say that this has been fabricated and that there is no crisis is just more of the republican elitist socially darwinistic pile of horse @!$%# that has been pervading the GOP.
It's time for all of you hard right conservatives to pull your head out of the sand and take a really good look at what YOUR republican president did to this country in the course of 8 years. Obama inherited one of the biggest messes in this country's history, and you are pssed off that he hasn't "fixed" it yet?!! Are you kidding!? He's been in office for not even two months. It took the Great Depression over a decade to be resolved, and your screaming over 2 MONTHS!!!!!!????
There are a lot of people hurting. And guess what, the CEO @!$%#s that helped cause the mess are laughing all the way to their bank accounts in Grand Cayman and couldn't give a @!$%# about the rest of the country. And who helped them get their egregious bonuses and compensation? Hmmmm, couldn't be the republicans that were in power for HOW LONG!!?? I'll tell you: from 1994-2006. Hmmmm, just long enough to deregulate the banks and lower the taxes on the wealthy enough to create the largest income gap in this country since the Industrial revolution.
The republicans f'd up big time. That is why they lost control. And they are continuing on that same wretched path with NO IDEAS on how to fix the mess they are mostly responsible for creating. Except tax cuts for the wealthy. The GOP mantra. It's BS and you all need to stop buying into the rhetoric.
I am hoping with all my heart that Obama is a successful president and is doing what needs to be done to rectify this nation. Yes, he may fail. That is a risk you take with ANY president. But if any of you have even half a functioning brain you would wish for success as well. His failure will mean the failure of our country. And I don't know about you, but I certainly hope I never see that day.
McCain's top economic advisor says we are in a "mental depression" sm
and additionally says that we are a nation of "whiners.' McCains top economic advisor is Phil Gramm.
How do you feel about these remarks? Additionally have you or someone you know been experiencing tough times in the last year?
Change recession to depression and I'll agree with you.
They just signed America's death warrant.
I feel no hope, but a huge depression coming.
it is going to be a long, crazy, up and down, scary ride. I do not see any hope, but failure for this country. Will NEVER be the same. You all who wanted change are going to get it. I am not sure what change the O keeps talking about, but it does not sound good to me at all. I want to have hope, but I cannot stand who the O picked for Chief of Staff. Hiliary Clinton stated yesterday, IN HER OWN WORDS, were not good about him at all. The only vocabulary that he has coming out of his mouth is 4-letter words. He is nothing but a JERK. So I guess that means we all can act like Rahm Emanuel and maybe we all can get somewhere in life? I do not think so, but that is who the O picked. I guess I should read DickMorris' book when he worked with President Clinton and Rhambo who is not very trusthworthy individual. It seems to me is psycho. Starting to stock up on paper products, toilet paper, paper towels and even tampons since paper products were hard to find during the depression. If the car companies do not get bailed out, look out country. I do have mixed feelings about bailing out car companies though. I wish we could, but then it will be bailing them out for the next 2 years and then next in line will be airline companies. WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS.
Book about Great Depression, 1928 and 1929.
BOOK: The Crisis Of The Old Order By: Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.
In 1928 and 1929, the nation had reached, it seemed, a permanent plateau of prosperity. Businesses expanding. Foreign trade growing. The stock market was continuing to rise. And national leadership could not now be in more expert or safer hands. "I have no fears for the future of our country," said Herbert Hoover in his inaugural address in March 1929. "It is bright with hope."
There remained a few discordant voices, anxious in the main over the stock market boom. In spring 1929, Hoover summoned a special session of Congress to deal with these issues. The session was not a success. The Board's purpose was to control the flow of commodities to the market; one provision was to control temporary surpluses. The session adjourned from April to November without taking action on the tariff. Hoover wanted state public lands and reclamatin projects and related irrigation matters be withdrawn from national control and states to manage these affairs then Federal Government. President's attitude toward utilities regulation was similar.
Yet most Americans remained more interested in teh stock market than economic question and the few interest as now beginning to turn into concern.
Early 1929, Federal Reserve Board under pressures of NY Federal Reserve Bank, finally consented to warn member banks that they should not lend money for speculative purposes. But did not work. Some argued that a restrictive policy might well induce deflation. The board felt it created "a state of mind which breeds depression." It was certainly true that reducing the interest rate was a clumsy way of combatting THE BOOM. As long as the stock market offered highest returns, it was bound to have first call on funds. Higher interest rate would have slowed down investment, cause capitalization process and bring down prices of ALL CAPITAL ASSETS and thus discourage investment. President Hoover did nothing as he was preoccupied with his own mind and watched the Board run the course.
CHECK THIS OUT!!! Finally by summer 1929, some danger signs were apparent, STARTLING DECLINE IN BULIDING CONTRACTS. Residential construction for the entire year SANK. CONSUMER SPENDING WAS SLACKENING. By midsummer 1929, building began to fall off, wholesale commodity prices dropped. In August, Federal Reserve Board finally agreed to raise to 6 percent. In September Stock Exchange price were at the highest. On October 23, PRICES STARTED FALLING. WALL STREET WAS SHAKEN. Anxiety was suddenly infectious. As panic spread, stocks dropped. Hoover stated, "The fundamental business of the country, that is production and distribution of commodities is a sound and prosperous basis." As prices held for a week, bankers QUIETLY fed back into the stock market that they had bought on Black Thursday for further future storms.
Banks protected themselves against their customers. On Monday, new explosion of gloom and panic happend. General Motors stock lost nearly 2 million. It soon was an avalanche, vast numbers rushing to get out of the market. By noon, 8 million shares traded hands and by closing time, Exchange had broken all records with 16 million shares. By mid November the financial community began to survey the wreckage. New York Stock Exchange had fallen 40 percent in value.
CAUSE OF THE CRASH: Management's disposition to maintain prices and inflate profits while holding down wages and raw material prices meant that workers and farmers were denied benefits of increases in their own productivity. Decline of mass purchasing power (like our real estate in 2005?) as goods flowed out of expanding capital plant in ever greater quantities, less and less cash in the hands of buyers to carry goods off the market. Seven years of fixed capital investment at high rates had overbuilt productive capacity and had thus saturated the economy. The slackening of the automotive and building industries. Businessmen trying TO SAVE THEMSELVES COULD ONLY WRECK THEIR SYSTEM. Representing the financiers, it had ignored irresponsible practices in the securities of the markets. Ignored the weight of private debt. Result was both class and national disaster.
Counterinsurgents thrust nation into full blown depression.
How is that possible? Looks like we still have quite a ways to go before we hit the Rovian rock bottom.
war, depression, recession, collapse of financial system, people losing
homes, natural disasters unattended to, collapsing bridges, earmark bridges. Address those first, save flag for later.
Good don't guess. It's my guess though.nm
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My guess would be
THREE!
guess what
Now you know how it feels, don't you?
That's anybody's guess. sm
But I think it is an educated guess to think most democratic voters in this election were against the war and most republican voters were for the war. Just my guess.
I guess your'e in the 39%
Bush approval rating dips to 39 percent - poll
Wed Oct 12, 9:47 PM ET
President George W. Bush's job approval rating has fallen to a new low of 39 percent in an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released on Wednesday.
Bush's approval rating dipped in the poll below a mid-September ranking of 40 percent. The survey also found only 28 percent of respondents believed the country was headed in the right direction, NBC reported.
Bush's political challenges have been piling up in recent weeks, from criticism over his handling of Hurricane Katrina, to growing unease over rising gas prices to conservative discord over the nomination of Harriet Miers to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Many conservatives are outraged that Bush picked the White House insider with no judicial experience instead of a judge with clear-cut conservative credentials who could be counted on to move the high court firmly to the right.
Twenty-nine percent of people surveyed said Miers was qualified to serve on the highest court in the United States, while 24 percent thought she was not qualified and 46 percent said they did not know enough about her, NBC said.
The poll also found that strong majorities did not believe that recent charges against former House Republican leader Tom DeLay of Texas or a federal investigation of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican, were politically motivated, NBC said.
DeLay has been indicted in Texas on money-laundering and conspiracy charges linked to campaign financing. Frist is being investigated over a stock sale.
With the 2006 congressional elections a year away, 48 percent of respondents said they preferred a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who said they preferred Republican leadership, NBC said.
The 9-point difference was the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll had been tracking the question, NBC said.
The poll of 807 adults was conducted from Saturday to Monday and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points
where are you? I guess some way
from Houston, too close to it myself! you are right about the crime wave, up just about everywhere. have your kids told you what Sugarland and Ft. Bend County are like now?
Anyway, nobody is going to hire a medical Transcriptionist with 143 days experience on her resume and I don't feel inclined to hire a president with that, either.
Immigration is not the problem; invasion is, lawbreakers are a problem. We just had a pastor on TV in Houston who has had 5 wrecks, all caused by uninsured motorists and that is the least of it. I personally have seen what is happening to our ER's, unfortunately, the media says little about it. I understand 87 hospitals in southern California have folded. No private hospital can withstand the onslaught of all this clinic business. But, of course, the actual clinics designed for this are only open during regular business hours. Well, just a few thoughts of mine.
To Guess Who?
Sam,
Here, here! Couldn't have said it better myself! We ALL have our own personal experiences with illegals. Where is the mention of all the illegals that come here with drugs, and murder and rape our people?! Did I mention the pedophiles?! Just watch the news and it's all over the place! Just yesterday, they were talking about an illegal from Mexico in SanFrancisco that killed a father and his 2 boys, over a traffic incident!!!??? He was part of a gang! He previously was in trouble with the law before, and nothing was done! Now 3 people are dead, and a wife and 2 other children are forever torn apart by this low-life piece of sh*T that couldn't care LESS about life, liberty, and the pursuit!!!! Same story just a few months ago in LA. Another gang member (illegal) shot a young teen and he is now dead! These are just 2 of the MANY stories out there! Even the people that are coming here "for a better life", I can understand that. What I don't understand is them coming here and getting FREE medical, FREE housing, etc. etc. etc.... Why the hell are THEY entitled, but we, as natural-born citizens are not, because we may "make too much money?!" My dad is 62 years old, and probably will work till the day he dies, because he isn't "entitled" to any of this, he doesn't have savings or 401K to fall back on. My husband busts his butt, and pays a LOT of $ every month so that we all have medical, why? so they can come here and drop a kid for free, at the expense of OUR tax dollars?! BS!!! You wanna come here, fine! Then WORK for your OWN medical, housing, food, etc. etc.! I agree with the above, as for the lawbreakers, molesters, murderers, gang-bangers, let them all rot on an island together! And don't come here and wave your Mexican flag, or any other flag for that matter! If you went to other countries with your American flag, you would most likely be shot!
So please, Guess Who, get a grip and a life!
To everyone else, have a lovely day!
Guess what?! At 17, you should not
be having sex! Duh! My mother started working outside the home when I was 12. She gave me VALUES of responsibility, of self-respect, and the consequences of my actions. I never had to be told not to have premarital sex. Unreal! If this stuff was coming out about Chelsey Clinton, you all would be all over it! What a meltdown!
You must be, I guess....nm
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THough I guess they won't be able to use them...
if we have two women running next time...lol. Guess I can put a big red X through "him" and write on "her." lol.
Well, then I guess I have a very
simple view of politics. I would think that if a bad bill is being put on the table, that enough politicians will see that it is bad and will vote against it, i.e. the bailout bill.
I guess that's just too simple. Agree to disagree.
I guess we will have to.............. sm
learn to say "Do you want fries with that?"
I'd say LOL if it weren't such a scary prospect.
Nothing to guess about. s/m
They'll be crying about their bottom line profit which they will pass down to consumers and they'll lay everyone off so they can send the jobs overseas. No guess about it. Then they'll cry some more when no one has any money to buy their overpriced stuff.
Well, guess I can guess! what it says.
We had several Cubans come over here back in the late 60's, all close friends, one a doctor who warned all of us then where medicine was going and he was right on the money. They fled Cuba for their lives at the time. I am watching my country unravel and there is not a dang thing I can do about it outside of this one vote.
My guess is...and only a guess....
because SS is in such pitiful shape now, this will take the place of it for those of us still working...while we continue to pay for those who are on social security NOW (with our payroll taxes) because in a congress in times past Democrats decided to "borrow" from social security and never paid it back. Liberal socialist ideas NEVER work. And people keep voting them in anyway and blaming it on Republicans. LOL. Like mice on a treadmill. Sigh.
Well, then, I guess we should
keep the 10 Commandments in church too. Then we could just go around raping, killing, stealing, lying, whatever we felt like doing. I believe 76 some odd percent of the U.S. describes their religion as Christianity. We let Madeline O'Hair or whatever her name is take away prayer in schools, etc. etc. I am sick to death of this p.c. stuff. If someone wants to be an atheist or muslim or what the heckfire ever, let 'em be. If they don't want to participate with the MAJORITY then I don't know of any law that makes them.
Guess who said this
"we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs."
The New Yorker Magazine
This is not an opinion, simply a quote.
My guess would be..............sm
just like the rest of the sheeple, they have been duped into believing this man will turn the economy around with his smoke-and-mirrors approach to healing the financial condition of this country, which in turn benefits them as the money is redistributed back up to the top. Who do you think will ultimately benefit from Obmama's plan. That's right..the rich...as the lower and middle class have more disposable income, the money will trickle right back up to the top.
my guess is a lot of them
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I guess a lot of them
Question: I would like to know who "them" are?
Well, I guess you don't but
at least if you see it alive you know if it is sick. I posted earlier about chickens. I promise you if you ever saw the LIVE chickens loaded in the crates on the truck headed for the slaughter house you would NEVER EVER eat another chicken And that's a pretty site compared to the inside of a 500 foot chicken house where hundreds of chickens are raised never seeing the sunlight and standing toe to toe in their own excrement. Well.....get the picture? But by the time they get to the grocery store all neatly packaged...........want me to tell you where they get the cut up chickens, breasts, thighs, legs, wings? No? I didn't think so.
I guess it's okay then............sm
especially in light of the fact they were serving coffee! LOL
guess not................sm
ms, but I guess we will all get a bowl of that ice cream now.
I think she did just guess also (sm)
I know she had been reading some articles in political magazines about him, not Muslim magazines. So that part probably should not have even been mentioned in my post, as I think it had nothing to do with it. She is not Muslim. She is not religious at all I don't think. She was a coworker I enjoyed talking with but since I went back home to work I haven't talked to her much so have not discussed it with her recently. She and her husband consider themselves African-American although she is a mixed race. So she may have been following his progress because of that, not sure.
Then I guess you can....... sm
take it up with God when you see Him. This kind of reasoning is so in line with the "me, me, me" greedy society that we have now. And as far as adopted children....I know quite a few who view their adoptive parents, the ones who loved them and provided for them, as their "real" parents rather than the biologic parent and have no desire whatsoever to meet the biologic parent. And I am sure they are thankful that the biologic parent didn't take the easy way out for herself and deny them the right to life.
My guess is that they don't like him because he is ...
BLACK!
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