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      • Michigan is in a depression. - I have family members still in MI.
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Obama is your man.

regardless of which idea they go with.  I really don't think there is anyway out of this. 

You know what really bugs me....and this is kind along the lines of the topic of equal pay........

If a caucasian male is making more money for doing the same job as an african american, by law the african american has the right to sue for legal pay.  I'm cool with that.  If you do the same job and think you deserve the same pay....more power to you.  If an african american is making more money for doing the same job as a caucasian, the caucasian has no legal rights to sue for equal pay.  I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound equal to me.

has anything to do with it?  Hey, that's what republicans want, big business to grow fast--no regulation--me, me, me...

How about all those families that are going to suffer from this.  Did they ask for it too?

This sounds familiar:

http://eh.net/Clio/Publications/unemployment.html

I am paying off debt.  Made my garden bigger.  Planted some fruit trees.  Stocked my pantry.  But I don't want to take in any relatives......I would rather pass out free zuchini.

Gee, and when was the last time this country saw tent cities like this? The Great Depression.

The unemployment rate in California is over 10% and has risen to 15% in some of the hardest hit states in the country. To say that this has been fabricated and that there is no crisis is just more of the republican elitist socially darwinistic pile of horse @!$%# that has been pervading the GOP.

It's time for all of you hard right conservatives to pull your head out of the sand and take a really good look at what YOUR republican president did to this country in the course of 8 years. Obama inherited one of the biggest messes in this country's history, and you are pssed off that he hasn't "fixed" it yet?!! Are you kidding!? He's been in office for not even two months. It took the Great Depression over a decade to be resolved, and your screaming over 2 MONTHS!!!!!!????

There are a lot of people hurting. And guess what, the CEO @!$%#s that helped cause the mess are laughing all the way to their bank accounts in Grand Cayman and couldn't give a @!$%# about the rest of the country. And who helped them get their egregious bonuses and compensation? Hmmmm, couldn't be the republicans that were in power for HOW LONG!!?? I'll tell you: from 1994-2006. Hmmmm, just long enough to deregulate the banks and lower the taxes on the wealthy enough to create the largest income gap in this country since the Industrial revolution.

The republicans f'd up big time. That is why they lost control. And they are continuing on that same wretched path with NO IDEAS on how to fix the mess they are mostly responsible for creating. Except tax cuts for the wealthy. The GOP mantra. It's BS and you all need to stop buying into the rhetoric.

I am hoping with all my heart that Obama is a successful president and is doing what needs to be done to rectify this nation. Yes, he may fail. That is a risk you take with ANY president. But if any of you have even half a functioning brain you would wish for success as well. His failure will mean the failure of our country. And I don't know about you, but I certainly hope I never see that day.

and additionally says that we are a nation of "whiners.' McCains top economic advisor is Phil Gramm.

How do you feel about these remarks? Additionally have you or someone you know been experiencing tough times in the last year?

BOOK:  The Crisis Of The Old Order  By:  Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.

In 1928 and 1929, the nation had reached, it seemed, a permanent plateau of prosperity.  Businesses expanding.  Foreign trade growing.  The stock market was continuing to rise.  And national leadership could not now be in more expert or safer hands.  "I have no fears for the future of our country," said Herbert Hoover in his inaugural address in March 1929.  "It is bright with hope."

There remained a few discordant voices, anxious in the main over the stock market boom.  In spring 1929, Hoover summoned a special session of Congress to deal with these issues.  The session was not a success.  The Board's purpose was to control the flow of commodities to the market; one provision was to control temporary surpluses.  The session adjourned from April to November without taking action on the tariff.  Hoover wanted state public lands and reclamatin projects and related irrigation matters be withdrawn from national control and states to manage these affairs then Federal Government.  President's attitude toward utilities regulation was similar. 

Yet most Americans remained more interested in teh stock market than economic question and the few interest as now beginning to turn into concern. 

Early 1929, Federal Reserve Board under pressures of NY Federal Reserve Bank, finally consented to warn member banks that they should not lend money for speculative purposes.  But did not work.  Some argued that a restrictive policy might well induce deflation.  The board felt it created "a state of mind which breeds depression."  It was certainly true that reducing the interest rate was a clumsy way of combatting THE BOOM.  As long as the stock market offered highest returns, it was bound to have first call on funds.  Higher interest rate would have slowed down investment, cause capitalization process and bring down prices of ALL CAPITAL ASSETS and thus discourage investment.  President Hoover did nothing as he was preoccupied with his own mind and watched the Board run the course.

CHECK THIS OUT!!!  Finally by summer 1929, some danger signs were apparent, STARTLING DECLINE IN BULIDING CONTRACTS.  Residential construction for the entire year SANK.  CONSUMER SPENDING WAS SLACKENING.  By midsummer 1929, building began to fall off, wholesale commodity prices dropped.  In August, Federal Reserve Board finally agreed to raise to 6 percent. In September Stock Exchange price were at the highest.  On October 23, PRICES STARTED FALLING.  WALL STREET WAS SHAKEN.  Anxiety was suddenly infectious.  As panic spread, stocks dropped.  Hoover stated, "The fundamental business of the country, that is production and distribution of commodities is a sound and prosperous basis."  As prices held for a week, bankers QUIETLY fed back into the stock market that they had bought on Black Thursday for further future storms.  

Banks protected themselves against their customers.  On Monday, new explosion of gloom and panic happend.  General Motors stock lost nearly 2 million.  It soon was an avalanche, vast numbers rushing to get out of the market.  By noon, 8 million shares traded hands and by closing time, Exchange had broken all records with 16 million shares.  By mid November the financial community began to survey the wreckage.  New York Stock Exchange had fallen 40 percent in value. 

CAUSE OF THE CRASH:  Management's disposition to maintain prices and inflate profits while holding down wages and raw material prices meant that workers and farmers were denied benefits of increases in their own productivity.  Decline of mass purchasing power (like our real estate in 2005?) as goods flowed out of expanding capital plant in ever greater quantities, less and less cash in the hands of buyers to carry goods off the market.  Seven years of fixed capital investment at high rates had overbuilt productive capacity and had thus saturated the economy.  The slackening of the automotive and building industries.  Businessmen trying TO SAVE THEMSELVES COULD ONLY WRECK THEIR SYSTEM.  Representing the financiers, it had ignored irresponsible practices in the securities of the markets.  Ignored the weight of private debt.  Result was both class and national disaster. 

homes, natural disasters unattended to, collapsing bridges, earmark bridges. Address those first, save flag for later.

The post that Zville put up had only 2 responses besides yourself.  How that has anything to do with "rabid Republicans" and the rest of your post is out of line.  No one but you mentioned the different parties. 

I just didn't want this message to get lost below.

This post is nothing but an opinion by an unidentified author from an obscure website.  This website is run by a guy named Jeff Rense.  He also does a radio talk show about UFO sightings.  Nice research there partner!

I hope for your sake that laws are never changed to require a voter to have a double-digit IQ.

for a while now, usually just stay quiet because I don't agree with half of what either side says and I really don't like all the bashing part of politics.  Some of the things said here and other places are quite disgusting, the bickering I can handle and actually enjoy reading, but when it gets to that base level it is just disturbing to me.  But, here is my question.  And, I'll preface it by saying that I am a Republican but am finding myself more of an independent after the last 8 years.

For all the people spouting off the virtues of Sarah Palin, I have not heard one comment in her defense or an excuse for her about her part in that whole radio morning show.  You know the one, where the radio DJ was making fun, being cruel really, about a the President of the Senate in Alaska that he, nor SP like.  You know the part when he called her fat and SP just laughed, when he called this woman a BI*CH and she just laughed, when he called this woman a cancer and she just laughed (BTW, this woman actually had cancer and they knew that).  Sure, she later said she was "caught off guard" by his comment.  Whatever.  Wouldn't a decent human being have just said, Stop.  I'm not going to take part in this.  Any number of things.  If she was so caught off guard by that, what is she going to do as VP.  And, how does she end the whole conversation.  When the DJ makes a comment about visiting Palin, she says "I'd be honored to have you."

This is probably my #1 problem with her.  She seems to have a total lack of compassion.  She enjoyed bashing Obama during her speech the other night, and I was disgusted to see that the audience seemed to enjoy it too.  I have worked within my community and I am proud of that, as should Obama be.  I didn't hear a whole lot in her speech about what she plans to do, or what her actual stand on issues are.  I didn't hear much of them from McCain either. 

I dare say that if these 2 keep letting her evade the tough questions, well any questions at all, I might be crossing lines this year.  Yes, it seems that the media, or certain media, are unnecessarily attacking her but I hope that doesn't become an excuse for them to have her not answer questions.

To be honest, I am not really thrilled about either of our choices, however, Obama scares me more...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7145283472276068711&ei=5DTUSIvKFoPo-AGg7omyAg&q=Look%2C+I+got+two+daughters+%E2%80%94+9+years+old+and+6+years+old%2C%22+he+said.+%22I+am+going+to+teach+them+first+about+values+and+morals%2C+but+if+they+make+a+mistake&vt=lf&hl=en

I just  have myself involved in so much that I don't have enough time as I would like to devote to it. I'm going to start teaching classes at a local Teen  Ranch.  They have acreage and will be able to raise their own gourds, make gourd art and sell it  to raise money.  Here's a link to their website http://www.arkansasteenchallenge.org/  Well, that's the website anyway, I can never get the link thing to work.

Tues. and Wed.morning this week I did a field trip for the local 4th and 5th grade classes (212 of them) at the Cane Hill College Building and spoke to them about the history of the college (it was the first college west of the Mississipi and is said to have fostered the public education system in Arkansas.)   It was turned into a public school around the turn of the century.  I was apprehensive about speaking to these kids but guess I did okay, one of the students said she wished she could go to school just 1 day like the kids did who attended school there.  A teacher quickly picked up on that idea and we're making plans to take one class at a time and give them such a day.  The last class was in the 1950s so the kids will dress in period clothing (no pants and they will divide up in groups and the teacher will teach 3 "grade" levels to simulate how it was done when it was a school.  Long story about the reasons but I will take my huge cauldron pot and make stew over a wood fire and they will have soup, peanut butter and SYRUP sandwiches, dessert and milk for lunch.  Of course parent volunteers will be there helping me.

Sorry about so much personal information but I get really excited about things I believe in and that also includes our government and it's serious need for change.

who didn't know what sm and NM meant and thought every person using sm was the same person. 

At least I'm not blinded by the promise of change from a man who has no experience running anything but his mouth.