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If we are in a full blown depression...(sm)

Posted By: Just the big bad on 2008-11-13
In Reply to: I know I just took an inhouse job that pays me half what I make at home - - Amanda

then I think the number of illegals coming into the country will lessen.  If we can't offer them anything better here why would they come?  I think there will be more pressure on the ones here because they will be competing for jobs.  When Americans can't find jobs, I think they will be more likely to point out illegals or suspected illegals to lessen competition.


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Counterinsurgents thrust nation into full blown depression.
How is that possible? Looks like we still have quite a ways to go before we hit the Rovian rock bottom.
If someone had just blown Bush...
Freudian slip perhaps? Just what are you volunteering for?
Waiting to get blown up...from a soldiers mouth..sm
BAGHDAD, July 26 Army Staff Sgt. Jose Sixtos considered the simple question about morale for more than an hour. But not until his convoy of armored Humvees had finally rumbled back into the Baghdad military base, and the soldiers emptied the ammunition from their machine guns, and passed off the bomb-detecting robot to another patrol, did he turn around in his seat and give his answer.

Think of what you hate most about your job. Then think of doing what you hate most for five straight hours, every single day, sometimes twice a day, in 120-degree heat, he said. Then ask how morale is.

Frustrated? You have no idea, he said.

As President Bush plans to deploy more troops in Baghdad, U.S. soldiers who have been patrolling the capital for months describe a deadly and infuriating mission in which the enemy is elusive and success hard to find. Each day, convoys of Humvees and Bradley Fighting Vehicles leave Forward Operating Base Falcon in southern Baghdad with the goal of stopping violence between warring Iraqi religious sects, training the Iraqi army and police to take over the duty, and reporting back on the availability of basic services for Iraqi civilians.

But some soldiers in the 2nd Battalion, 6th Infantry Regiment, 1st Armored Division -- interviewed over four days on base and on patrols -- say they have grown increasingly disillusioned about their ability to quell the violence and their reason for fighting. The battalion of more than 750 people arrived in Baghdad from Kuwait in March, and since then, six soldiers have been killed and 21 wounded.

It sucks. Honestly, it just feels like we're driving around waiting to get blown up. That's the most honest answer I could give you, said Spec. Tim Ivey, 28, of San Antonio, a muscular former backup fullback for Baylor University. You lose a couple friends and it gets hard.

No one wants to be here, you know, no one is truly enthused about what we do, said Sgt. Christopher Dugger, the squad leader. We were excited, but then it just wears on you -- there's only so much you can take. Like me, personally, I want to fight in a war like World War II. I want to fight an enemy. And this, out here, he said, motioning around the scorched sand-and-gravel base, the rows of Humvees and barracks, toward the trash-strewn streets of Baghdad outside, there is no enemy, it's a faceless enemy. He's out there, but he's hiding.

We're trained as an Army to fight and destroy the enemy and then take over, added Dugger, 26, of



Reno, Nev. But I don't think we're trained enough to push along a country, and that's what we're actually doing out here.

It's frustrating, but we are definitely a help to these people, he said. I'm out here with the guys that I know so well, and I couldn't picture myself being anywhere else.

'Never-Ending Battle'

After a five-hour patrol on Saturday through southern Baghdad neighborhoods, soldiers from the 1st Platoon sat on wooden benches in an enclosed porch outside their barracks. Faces flushed and dirty from the grit and a beating sun, they smoked cigarettes and tossed them at a rusted can that said Butts.

The commanders in Baghdad and the Pentagon are looking at the big picture all the time, but for us, we don't see no big picture, it's just always another bomb out here, said Spec. Joshua Steffey, 24, of Asheville, N.C. The company's commanding officer, Capt. Douglas A. DiCenzo of Plymouth, N.H., and his gunner, Spec. Robert E. Blair of Ocala, Fla., were killed by a roadside bomb in May.

Steffey said he wished somebody would explain to us, 'Hey, this is what we're working for.' With a stream of expletives, he said he could not care less if Iraq's free or if they're a democracy.

I mean, if you compare the casualty count from this war to, say, World War II, you know obviously it doesn't even compare, Fulcher said. But World War II, the big picture was clear -- you know you're fighting because somebody was trying to take over the world, basically. This is like, what did we invade here for?

How did it become, 'Well, now we have to rebuild this place from the ground up'? Fulcher asked.

He kept talking. They say we're here and we've given them freedom, but really what is that? You know, what is freedom? You've got kids here who can't go to school. You've got people here who don't have jobs anymore. You've got people here who don't have power, he said. You know, so yeah, they've got freedom now, but when they didn't have freedom, everybody had a job.

Steffey got up to leave the porch and go to bed.

You know, the point is we've lost too many Americans here already, we're committed now. So whatever the [expletive] end-state is, whatever it is, we need to achieve it -- that way they didn't die for nothing, he said. We're far too deep in this now....
Is separation of church and state blown out of the water?!?! sm
If Head Start is recieving federal funding, they SHOULD NOT discriminate for religious reasons in hiring. This is illegal no matter who supports it. Since Bush supports it, he is supporting an illegal, unconstitutional act.

This faith based organization wants to have their cake and eat it too. They want federal funding, which comes from all US Citizens, but they do not want to be inclusive of all US citizens. So they don't have a problem taking a non-Christian's money for funding, but they don't want to hire any non-Christians to work for them. That is hypocritical and WRONG.

US Constitution Article I:
*Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.*


You think he's full of himself? Well, I think you're full of something else. SM
Something brown. You think on it for a couple of months and I bet you'll figure it out.
Actually, it might very likely to into depression anyway,
is not so all-powerful that they can put the brakes on something that has taken on a life of its own. Unless the cogs that drive this economy are retooled (and that would mean the way banks operate, loans are made, homes are bought and sold, and priced, stocks are valued and invested in, yet), American workers/investors are going to come up with more realistic and less-speculative ways to make their money work for THEM, and not just some rich guy sitting on his 40-foot yacht.
If a depression is what you want...YES.

Obama is your man.


Oh, no ...DEPRESSION is exactly what we are
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I believe we will go into a depression

regardless of which idea they go with.  I really don't think there is anyway out of this. 


You know what really bugs me....and this is kind along the lines of the topic of equal pay........


If a caucasian male is making more money for doing the same job as an african american, by law the african american has the right to sue for legal pay.  I'm cool with that.  If you do the same job and think you deserve the same pay....more power to you.  If an african american is making more money for doing the same job as a caucasian, the caucasian has no legal rights to sue for equal pay.  I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound equal to me.


can you spell depression?
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And you don't think this recession (soon to be depression)...(sm)

has anything to do with it?  Hey, that's what republicans want, big business to grow fast--no regulation--me, me, me...


How about all those families that are going to suffer from this.  Did they ask for it too?


Yes, I think there is a depression coming if it isn't already here. sm
I live in Michigan, on the west side of the state, but nonetheless in Michigan. We are so tied up in the auto industry that if the Big 3 crash and burn, Michigan may well just cease to exist. We have had 3 auto parts plants close down, Steelcase and Herman Miller are cutting jobs, because people are not hiring, so why make all that office furniture. There is nothing incoming to help take up the slack. Then, I heard on the news this morning that the city of Detroit has now appealed to the feds for help to bail it out. Detroit IS big 3 auto country. If Detroit tanks, so goes the rest of the state. Kwame Kilpatrick fallout not withstanding.

I like to think that as long as people get sick, I will have a job because I do acute care. And we all know that there are people who use the ED as a PCP. Hopefully my doctor in AZ can help me out, but he is a specialist, so who knows.

My 403(b) has lost half of what it used to be, and then I hear that they have suspended the sales of MRE's. But I think that is just over-excitable hype.

However....I have a feeling that the "Great Depression" 2008 style is coming. I don't think the "End Times" is coming, but something has to give or the United States of America will become another third world country.
Michigan is in a depression.
I was born and raised in Michigan.  Your state has been hit hard.  I live in the Northwest and in my neighborhood, I have 8 new families who have moved in and guess where they are from?  Michigan.  A lot of my family members in Michigan believe that the Oil companies should bail out the 3 car companies, not from taxpayers money.  Family members do not seem to care if the car companies fold because they are already in worse shape.  My cousin, last family relative working for the GM, took an early retirement package given to him 2-3 weeks BEFORE the financial crisis hit US.  He was very lucky.  I have family members considering moving to the Northwest and 1 family already is here and just love it. 
depression statistics

This sounds familiar:


 


http://eh.net/Clio/Publications/unemployment.html


I meant recession, not depression. nm

I guess my depression medication
must be working because I am  happy to see in our lifetime that a woman and an African American can run for the presidency and possibly win.  Times are changing.  People are opening their eyes to a new day.  Maybe we won't see a change in the economy in the near future, but we should all do our part to at least try to put lawmakers into office who have the peoples' best interest at heart.  We pay taxes and these elected officials work for us.  We can start by putting state representatives in office who will work for us in Washington.  We voted for them and we can fire them.  They work for us.  We do have a voice.
All getting so depression. I doubt there is a single
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strategies for coping with the depression

I am paying off debt.  Made my garden bigger.  Planted some fruit trees.  Stocked my pantry.  But I don't want to take in any relatives......I would rather pass out free zuchini.


Another book about the Great Depression
The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes. I'm about halfway through it now and it's amazing - it could have been written about the last several years instead of the 1920s.
The people during the Great Depression were more self-sufficient that we are. sm
They could make a loaf of bread and farmed. They bartered for goods and services. They also had sound money (gold and silver) unless they left it in a bank deposit box or were duped into letting it be confiscated.

Thanks to the amended version of the Patriot Act, it is against the law to hoard food and water. Bank runs or inciting bank runs is a felony. Imagine that, it is against the law to try and protect your money. These crooks have everything covered.
Per the experts, we officially went into a depression today...nm
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poll: how many think we are headed for another great depression
me for one
It is not HATE, it is love of country and depression
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Tent cities=Great Depression
Go to timesonline.co.uk and search for California tent cities. The homeless shelters there are OVERWHELMED and turn away as much as 200 people A NIGHT!!!! There are over 300 people living in one tent city ALONE! And these are not bums or derelicts, these are low to middle class income people who had been living paycheck to paycheck as most americans do, and lost their jobs and cannot find work.

Gee, and when was the last time this country saw tent cities like this? The Great Depression.


The unemployment rate in California is over 10% and has risen to 15% in some of the hardest hit states in the country. To say that this has been fabricated and that there is no crisis is just more of the republican elitist socially darwinistic pile of horse @!$%# that has been pervading the GOP.


It's time for all of you hard right conservatives to pull your head out of the sand and take a really good look at what YOUR republican president did to this country in the course of 8 years. Obama inherited one of the biggest messes in this country's history, and you are pssed off that he hasn't "fixed" it yet?!! Are you kidding!? He's been in office for not even two months. It took the Great Depression over a decade to be resolved, and your screaming over 2 MONTHS!!!!!!????


There are a lot of people hurting. And guess what, the CEO @!$%#s that helped cause the mess are laughing all the way to their bank accounts in Grand Cayman and couldn't give a @!$%# about the rest of the country. And who helped them get their egregious bonuses and compensation? Hmmmm, couldn't be the republicans that were in power for HOW LONG!!?? I'll tell you: from 1994-2006. Hmmmm, just long enough to deregulate the banks and lower the taxes on the wealthy enough to create the largest income gap in this country since the Industrial revolution.


The republicans f'd up big time. That is why they lost control. And they are continuing on that same wretched path with NO IDEAS on how to fix the mess they are mostly responsible for creating. Except tax cuts for the wealthy. The GOP mantra. It's BS and you all need to stop buying into the rhetoric.


I am hoping with all my heart that Obama is a successful president and is doing what needs to be done to rectify this nation. Yes, he may fail. That is a risk you take with ANY president. But if any of you have even half a functioning brain you would wish for success as well. His failure will mean the failure of our country. And I don't know about you, but I certainly hope I never see that day.


McCain's top economic advisor says we are in a "mental depression" sm

and additionally says that we are a nation of "whiners.' McCains top economic advisor is Phil Gramm.


How do you feel about these remarks? Additionally have you or someone you know been experiencing tough times in the last year?


Change recession to depression and I'll agree with you.
They just signed America's death warrant. 
I feel no hope, but a huge depression coming.
it is going to be a long, crazy, up and down, scary ride.  I do not see any hope, but failure for this country.  Will NEVER be the same.  You all who wanted change are going to get it.  I am not sure what change the O keeps talking about, but it does not sound good to me at all.  I want to have hope, but I cannot stand who the O picked for Chief of Staff.  Hiliary Clinton stated yesterday, IN HER OWN WORDS, were not good about him at all.  The only vocabulary that he has coming out of his mouth is 4-letter words.  He is nothing but a JERK.  So I guess that means we all can act like Rahm Emanuel and maybe we all can get somewhere in life?  I do not think so, but that is who the O picked.  I guess I should read DickMorris' book when he worked with President Clinton and Rhambo who is not very trusthworthy individual.  It seems to me is psycho.  Starting to stock up on paper products, toilet paper, paper towels and even tampons since paper products were hard to find during the depression.  If the car companies do not get bailed out, look out country.   I do have mixed feelings about bailing out car companies though.  I wish we could, but then it will be bailing them out for the next 2 years and then next in line will be airline companies.  WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS.
Book about Great Depression, 1928 and 1929.

BOOK:  The Crisis Of The Old Order  By:  Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.


In 1928 and 1929, the nation had reached, it seemed, a permanent plateau of prosperity.  Businesses expanding.  Foreign trade growing.  The stock market was continuing to rise.  And national leadership could not now be in more expert or safer hands.  "I have no fears for the future of our country," said Herbert Hoover in his inaugural address in March 1929.  "It is bright with hope."


There remained a few discordant voices, anxious in the main over the stock market boom.  In spring 1929, Hoover summoned a special session of Congress to deal with these issues.  The session was not a success.  The Board's purpose was to control the flow of commodities to the market; one provision was to control temporary surpluses.  The session adjourned from April to November without taking action on the tariff.  Hoover wanted state public lands and reclamatin projects and related irrigation matters be withdrawn from national control and states to manage these affairs then Federal Government.  President's attitude toward utilities regulation was similar. 


Yet most Americans remained more interested in teh stock market than economic question and the few interest as now beginning to turn into concern. 


Early 1929, Federal Reserve Board under pressures of NY Federal Reserve Bank, finally consented to warn member banks that they should not lend money for speculative purposes.  But did not work.  Some argued that a restrictive policy might well induce deflation.  The board felt it created "a state of mind which breeds depression."  It was certainly true that reducing the interest rate was a clumsy way of combatting THE BOOM.  As long as the stock market offered highest returns, it was bound to have first call on funds.  Higher interest rate would have slowed down investment, cause capitalization process and bring down prices of ALL CAPITAL ASSETS and thus discourage investment.  President Hoover did nothing as he was preoccupied with his own mind and watched the Board run the course.


CHECK THIS OUT!!!  Finally by summer 1929, some danger signs were apparent, STARTLING DECLINE IN BULIDING CONTRACTS.  Residential construction for the entire year SANK.  CONSUMER SPENDING WAS SLACKENING.  By midsummer 1929, building began to fall off, wholesale commodity prices dropped.  In August, Federal Reserve Board finally agreed to raise to 6 percent. In September Stock Exchange price were at the highest.  On October 23, PRICES STARTED FALLING.  WALL STREET WAS SHAKEN.  Anxiety was suddenly infectious.  As panic spread, stocks dropped.  Hoover stated, "The fundamental business of the country, that is production and distribution of commodities is a sound and prosperous basis."  As prices held for a week, bankers QUIETLY fed back into the stock market that they had bought on Black Thursday for further future storms.  


Banks protected themselves against their customers.  On Monday, new explosion of gloom and panic happend.  General Motors stock lost nearly 2 million.  It soon was an avalanche, vast numbers rushing to get out of the market.  By noon, 8 million shares traded hands and by closing time, Exchange had broken all records with 16 million shares.  By mid November the financial community began to survey the wreckage.  New York Stock Exchange had fallen 40 percent in value. 


CAUSE OF THE CRASH:  Management's disposition to maintain prices and inflate profits while holding down wages and raw material prices meant that workers and farmers were denied benefits of increases in their own productivity.  Decline of mass purchasing power (like our real estate in 2005?) as goods flowed out of expanding capital plant in ever greater quantities, less and less cash in the hands of buyers to carry goods off the market.  Seven years of fixed capital investment at high rates had overbuilt productive capacity and had thus saturated the economy.  The slackening of the automotive and building industries.  Businessmen trying TO SAVE THEMSELVES COULD ONLY WRECK THEIR SYSTEM.  Representing the financiers, it had ignored irresponsible practices in the securities of the markets.  Ignored the weight of private debt.  Result was both class and national disaster. 


war, depression, recession, collapse of financial system, people losing

homes, natural disasters unattended to, collapsing bridges, earmark bridges. Address those first, save flag for later.


 


Oh whatever, gt, you are full of it. nm

You are full of it. sm
I know and you know that if Bush signed a bill that would cost us 400 billion dollars and 4.2 million jobs, you would have a stroke.  Conservatives want to protect the environment as much as our Birkenstock-wearing liberal counterparts.  But conservatives dont' base their environmental policies on emotions, hysteria or junk science, gt.  Conservatives like warm fuzzies just as much as the next guy but that should not require us to walk lockstep with the radical environmentalist agenda.  Environmentalists have watched way too many Star Trek episodes and seem incapable at times of distinguishing between science fiction and science fact.  They won't tell you this at the DU or the New York Times but we don't even know scientifically if carbon dioxide actually affects the Earth's temperature.  We live in a polluted world.  Surely the manufacture of disposable diapers (never used em), plastic containers, and styrofoam is a huge contributor, not to mention toxic waste from manufacturing.  KYOTO DOESN'T EVEN ADDRESS THESE!  It's worried about CO2.  GET REAL.  As a nation, we need to get back to washing our own dishes, washing our own diapers, and drinking out of the old faithful mason jar.  THAT' S environmental protection.  You don't know what you are talking about.  You only think you do. You can't go around reducing every argument to conservatives are mean cruel hateful liars and just ignore the crux of the problem.  Well, I guess you can.  You keep doing it.  Try independent thought for a change. 
Full of what?
Joy? Hope? Enthusiasm? Positive energy? Cheer? Delight? Elation? Anticipation? Promise? Optimism?

Evidently, in view of the response she is getting, she is not exactly sitting there talking to herself. Making it up? She speaks for many of us.

One has to wonder why it is you find this so disturbing and you have such low tolerance for happy.

Here's what you are full of: Woe, adversity, distress, abjection, discouragement, pessimism, despondency, misery, sorrow, doubt, antagonism, suspicion and misgivings.

Good luck with that. Most of us don't choose to live that way.
You are full of yourself. No one can take you seriously
is spread lies and deceit. Read the article. Where does it say that Abd Al-Rahim will get off with a free pass? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29042139/
The nerve? GT you are so full of it. sm
Take a good long look at page one of the Conservative board. Tell me you see no postings of an inflammatory nature by liberals.  If you did, you would be lying.
He is full of nothing but hot air. Amazed at the following he has.
fffffffffffffffffff
Is there a particular reason you used his full name ... sm

Making sure you put the Hussein part in, when I have never seen you address him that way before.  Yes, it is his full name but some people (are you included?) love to add that in just to make people think he is Muslim or make references to it. 


Not saying that was your intention but it smells kind of fishy.


Know-it-all '[Psycho Sam' is full of B.S.
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full coverage for how much
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do you not understand that he is full of
how do you possibly think he can offer tax breaks with all of the government programs he is proposing?

Will you tell me exactly what kind of breaks he is going to give?

He may very well win but I'm terrified of what his real plans are.
Oh please. This post is so full of it
He "accurately assessed the country was ready to elect an African American president". My gosh, did he do that all by his little ol self. Excuse me but he didn't choose this. People above him who pay him told him he would run.

He by all means did not run a clean campaign. Don't you even remember what he did to Hillary??????? Not only with Hillary, but all the other primary runners and with McCain he DID resort to dirty tactics and tained election antics. And ESPECIALLY, most ESPECIALLY manipulated the courts decisions. That whole deal about him not releasing his BC is such a farce. He is illigitimate plain and simple. Does that change anything NO, it does not. He has enough rich lawyer friends and super wealthy friends who have manipulated. I am dealing with the fact that we have a foreign born president and that our constitution has been changed. I'm dealing with it, but for you to come out and say he didn't manipulate anything. Please. From his friends in the legal offices always overturning everything that people are doing to come to the truth. That spells SLEAZE in capital letters. I am dealing with it and I don't bring it up anymore but your blindness to the facts is astonishing.

His cabinet appointments have been very well orchestrated. Yup, you got that one right. One sleazeball Clinton has been after another. That is what I call very well orchestrated. Now if he would only pick some people with intelligence and knowledge to fill the cabinet. Not the people he owes favors to who will be the downfall of our country.

He has world leaders enthused? Have you even read how outraged some of the other countries are about some of his picks - especially Dillary! Puten and people in his country sure are not enthused. Iran sure is not enthused that he picked the lady that stated she would obliterate their country. No doubt Germany is enthused. The embrace socialism there.

The O is off to a good start??? That is your opinion. There are many of us who were hopeful for him when he was elected, but seeing the decisions he is making so far we are thinking twice about that.

He will be dazzling us with his brilliance?????? My-oh-my, did you read that in a Romance novel. You really need to stop drinking that Kool-Aid and join us in reality. Only after he is present will be be able to say whether he "dazzled us with his brilliance" or "baffled us with his bullsh!t".
you are so full of it, this is hilarious! Just
you sit and talk to yourself and make up this crap?
You sound so full of yourself
bust a gut at any moment, so could be all that mountain biking has been in vain and instead your perfectly proportioned bod is bloated with bull.

Your OP is a good example why there is a difference between those folks you claim to hang with and the ones here who have to endure the cesspool that those types of remarks turn this forum into on a minute-by-minute basis.

You missed the point of the other post. Here's a hint. It was not about chili dogs and cheese and going gaga over Obama, but you were in such a hurry to try to be cute while you post your disgust, you didn't notice.

I too would like to suggest that it might be a good idea to at least CONSIDER keeping your pot shot drive by negative snipes to yourself every now and then.
And some of us with a full brain knows this is (sm)

also about Israel.


From another Republican under the Reagan Administration, Paul Craig Roberts:  http://www.vdare.com/roberts/090508_hate_crime.htm


Since the passage of the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act in 2004, the US Department of State is required to monitor anti-Semitism worldwide.  The State Department is not required to monitor anti-Americanism or sentiments against Christians, Muslims or Arabs.  Thus, the act created a specially protected class worthy of careful monitoring by the US Department of State of negative sentiments expressed against Jews.


In order to monitor anti-Semitism, the term must be defined.  The definition is subjective and will be widely, rather than narrowly, interpreted. 


The State Department has come up with its attempt.  The State Department’s approach could include any truthful statements about Israel and its behavior toward the Palestinians that the Israeli government or AIPAC or the Anti-Defamation League would deny or contest.  


Anti-Semitic speech can be interpreted as inciting hatred.  Inciting hatred can be interpreted to be a violent act.  “Excessive” criticism of Israel is a subjective, indefinable concept that can be used to determine anti-semitic speech.  It is easy to conflate “excessive” with “strong”


Thus, demands that Israel be held accountable for war crimes committed in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, or elsewhere become acts of the “hate crime” of anti-semitism.  


glass empty/full
LOL, ya know, reading your post about glass half empty, geez.  I used to, in my younger days, be a glass half full.  I used to debate with friends and coworkers, especially liked debating with cute doctors (smile) about their glass half empty view and my glass half full view..However, as I have gotten older, wiser and more tired, yes I guess my view is glass half empty.  However, I do think if the situation in this country and the world and the job situation,  heck the respect for each other situation was better, my attitude would change. 
Hmm...in the interest of full disclosure...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/where_in_the_world_is_obamas_m.html


Don't care where Waldo is, but would like to know where the thesis is...and also the rest of the missing Columbia records.  If people are so concerned about where what the #2 on the other ticket did in Wasilla, Alaska, and how many colleges she went to, I would like to know what the #1 on the Democratic ticket was doing during his Columbia years.  After all...he IS running for the #1 slot.


Your post is so full of holes that I won't even....... sm
bother to address all of them, but I will address a couple.

For starters, "sam" apparently no longer posts here, or if he/she does then it is done under another name. If so, I could not blame him/her because of the regular attacks he/she also received. The ball bounces both ways, you know, so you can come out of hiding now.

My moniker has always been "m" which is the initial of my first name. I stand behind what I post, regardless of how "juvenile" you seem to think they are. I have had many conversations with other posters on the board with no complaints at all apart from my particular political stance on a subject which is to be expected on such a forum as this.

The last thing I would address is the fact that you say I should just avoid your yellow-bellied posts if I don't care for their convoluted, high-brow attitude and move on. A good portion of the time, I do just that, but it is hard to always correctly identify you amongst all the other NM and SM "monikers" on this board, again people who like to throw out barbs without sullying their reputation. Further, when someone attacks another poster as they did BT above, and I am assuming it is you by the nature of your posts, I feel that something should be said. Rude and inflammatory posts such as you are accustomed to making are hurtful and completely unnecessary. To have simply disagreed would have been one thing, but to call someone a "psychopath" is something else entirely. I, of course, have no proof that you made the original post, but neither do you have proof to me that you didn't. I will leave it at that.

I have nothing else that I wish do discuss with you in terms of political views at this point. If and when you do decide to post something of interest, be it political or a personal attack against me or another regular poster of this forum, I will speak to that as the situation arises. Until then, have a nice day.
Well, he ain't alone.......congress full of money
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The full report is due to come out today. The..sm
preliminary report is that the first dude lied and did talk to multiple government officials, not just one as he says, regarding the case, and he relentlessly pushed to get the trooper fired. It will be interesting to see what the full determination will be.
Full of poop May I recommend
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What is wrong with full disclosure?
Criminals use the legal system to hide things.  Why should Obama?  Unless he has something to hide, that is.
No kidding--Is it a full moon? LOL
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