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I think Palin is being compared to Obama ... sm

Posted By: ex animo on 2008-09-21
In Reply to: Oops I forgot to add - Trying to understand

More than Biden because McCain is 72 years old (and looking older and more confused and befuddled each day, IMO) and to be realistic, he could very well die not long after being elected, which would immediately make Palin our president. That would be a disaster.

Not even a month ago, few people outside of Alaska had even heard of her. The country is still in the process of getting to know her which isn't happening very quickly because she's not doing any hardhitting interviews - unheard of for a politician at that level (or at least unheard of for a politician who doesn't have anything to hide...)

Come on, she's a politician, she's tough. I'm certain she's up to the interviews, but I find it suspicious that the McCain campaign isn't letting her do those interviews. They are controlling that situation, for what? They don't want her to make a mistake and look bad? They all do that!

I think a lot of people were initially attracted to her with the excitement of a fresh new face, 1st woman VP the Repubs ever nominated, and she's pretty, perky, has a beautiful family, etc. It is exciting. But as more is learned about her past and her idealogy, people I know are going "Oh wait a second, she did what, wants to do what, believes WHAT?! Oh, I don't think so!" I think that's why her poll numbers went up so fast, and have now gone back down so fast. (Actually, I think that's why she isn't doing the interviews, they wanted to keep the excitement and novelty going as long as possible.)

Me personally, I don't hate her. Hate is strong word. I just don't want her anywhere near the White House, esp. as our president.

My biggest problem with her is her extreme religious views. I will freely admit that I am very biased towards people with extreme fundamental religious beliefs. I do not understand or relate to their thinking. I am much more comfortable with people who are "brainy" and scientific, who look at facts and evidence in making their decisions, and I am extremely uncomfortable with anyone who makes decisions based on magical thinking, because they think it's "God's will" or something of that nature. There is just no reasoning with someone like that. We've already had a pres. like that (Bush) and it's been a nightmare.

IMO, people with extreme fringe religious beliefs belong on the fringe, not ruling the free world in the highest office of our land.



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Well, that is nothing compared to how Obama is
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RE: Your last line....Obama is absolutely nothing compared toTeddy R....nm

compared to

what exactly?


 


Then we would be as well off with Palin as with Obama...
in fact, better. He doesn't have any foreign policy experience either...nor any executive experience...has never run anything in his life. He is a rookie on all levels. She has made executive decisions. She ran a state with a big state budget. She made executive decisions every day. Obama has made zero. She is already ahead of him. So...what was your point again?
That ain't nothin' compared to
Bush's 2ND inaugural ball which cost 40 million dollars!!  Guess you forgot about that one!
Oh gosh, that was nothing compared
to watching my husband listen to any Democrat, ever.  He turns red and interrupts constantly.  Eventually I shush him and he stomps out of the room, muttering under his breath all the while.  Then he's mad at me.   At least Rush is civil. 
Perspective. That is nothing compared to what we
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Palin won't be debating Obama....
vice-president.
Palin is just as qualified as Obama anyway.
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I'd rather seen Palin as President than Obama - sm
At least she has more experience than he does running anything. The only thing he ran is dealing out money he recieved from Ayers to radical schools (and this was NOT for history, english or math programs).
Sorry, Palin ain't my thing.....neither is Obama
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Actually SS is in good shape compared to
Imagine if it had gone to Wall ST like bush wanted?
Anyone can look up info on Obama as I did yesterday on Palin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#State_legislator.2C_1997.E2.80.932004

Everybody keeps talking about little experience. Well they both do not have the experience to be President and neither does McCain. I do not think any candidate is REALLY READY to take on that position. They all make PROMISES and do things just to get our votes and then they do what they want anyway once they get into office, any office. I am a Democratic and just have no idea who to vote for. I hate nasty politics. Does this accomplish anything?? NO
Right!!! People are so nasty to Palin, yet Obama
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Yep, being compared to me is certainly a fate worse than death....
lol. But you might want to check the posts to see what I really said and not piglet's version of what I said. I have said over and over again that my opposition to abortion is on a moral level and I would be opposed to it on that level whether I knew God or not. Unless you are saying one must believe in God to have morals?? There are many in this country who oppose abortion on a strictly moral level. There are mainstream Democrats who oppose abortion on a moral level.

Are you morally opposed to murder? Are you morally opposed to stealing? To rape? To child molestation? Do you think you have to be "religious" to oppose those things? People who have never opened a Bible are morally opposed to most of those things. So please stop trying to say that anyone who opposes abortion is a conservative religious zealot. Because it is just not true. You do not have to be religious to have morals and be morally opposed to things that are just plain wrong.

And you all know that deep inside yourselves. Most would never admit it, of course....but you all know it.

$400,000 salary is dirt cheap compared to
Considering the daunting challenges he will in the aftermath of W's slash and burn regime, bringing together warring factions for the sake of cranking up a paralyzed legislative branch, jump starting a frozen economy on the brink of depression, reversing the handywork of the saber-rattling war machine, restoring America's tarnished global image and dodging assassin's bullets around every bend, I'd say he'll be earning every last penny of it.
Hitler was a choirboy compared to your average
Such as Red-Evelope-Woman, for example.
Oh, honey - compared to me, Maxine's an infant.
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Obama and the Palin Effect (by Deepak Chopra) sm

Obama and the Palin Effect



Deepak Chopra - September 04, 2008


Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than 700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is a towering international figure. Palin's pluck has been admired, and her forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper.




She is the reverse of Barack Obama, in essence his shadow, deriding his idealism and exhorting people to obey their worst impulses . In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence, selfishness, and suspicion of "the other." For millions of Americans, Obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them. He is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind. (Just to be perfectly clear, I am not making a verbal play out of the fact that Sen. Obama is black. The shadow is a metaphor widely in use before his arrival on the scene.) I recognize that psychological analysis of politics is usually not welcome by the public, but I believe such a perspective can be helpful here to understand Palin’s message. In her acceptance speech Gov. Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their resistance to change and a higher vision.

Look at what she stands for:
--Small town values -- a denial of America's global role, a return to petty, small-minded parochialism.
--Ignorance of world affairs -- a repudiation of the need to repair America's image abroad.
--Family values -- a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don't need to be heeded.
--Rigid stands on guns and abortion -- a scornful repudiation that these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree.
--Patriotism -- the usual fallback in a failed war.
--"Reform" -- an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who doesn't fit your ideology.

Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical, that minorities and immigrants, being different from "us" pure American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much effort and globalism is a foreign threat. The radical right marches under the banners of "I'm all right, Jack," and "Why change? Everything's OK as it is." The irony, of course, is that Gov. Palin is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. She can add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty years of feminist progress. The irony is superficial; there are millions of women who stand on the side of conservatism, however obviously they are voting against their own good. The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising shadow issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and narrow-mindedness.

Obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a vacuum. The shadow is real; it was bound to respond. Not just conservatives possess a shadow -- we all do. So what comes next is a contest between the two forces of progress and inertia. Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become exhausted? No one can predict. The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. It would be a shame to elect another Reagan, whose smiling persona was a stalking horse for the reactionary forces that have brought us to the demoralized state we are in. We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.



www.deepakchopra.com


Who cares what Palin, McCain, Obama, or Biden
all the cheating and lying going on in the O camp and 'ole Biden stabbing his running mate in the back isn't a good sign at all. But, no surprise there. Biden had said very early on he didn't care for Obama and that he would like to be McCain's running mate. Can't twist that one no matter how you try.

I'll always know Biden isn't so easily fooled by Obama either but just looking for a foot in the door of the White House to run in four years.

We're pussycats compared to some foreign leaders. sm
What's she going to do with them, and anyone else she can't just bully and fire?
I think the only person I ever heard compared to Hitler was Bush
so I don't even get where that came from

It is weird when people accuse you of making the OP's point. Because, it is okay for THEM to say whatever they want, but if anyone opposes them you are everything they are not.

wow, hypocrites to the end
compared to the prior president anyone is a great orator

Listening to one of his speeches is a breath of fresh air compared to listening to Bush.....I'm betting O will make less speaking mistakes in his entire presidency than Bush made in any one given month during his.


Obama's response to Palin family baby stories

Here is Obama's response on all the Palin family stories swirling around.  He said he would fire any staffer found to be stoking the fires on these stories.  I agree with him 100%:


Politico's Carrie Budoff Brown reports: At a press avail in Monroe, Mich., Barack Obama on Palin: "Back off these kinds of stories."


"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor and/or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics."


Obama is going to save us.. .it will take time... NO MORE PALIN hahahahaha no more RABIDS nm
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Ignore the posts. This board is pretty tame compared to others. sm
On Red State and Daily Kos the ad hom attacks are unbelievable.

The previous owner of this board banned everyone posting anti Bush comments, and there were constant neocon ad hom attacks. I am conservative but these are not my type of Republicans. There used to be a lot of good posters here.
Sarah Palin fans are as whack as Palin.
Even John McCain's top adviser referred to Sarah Palin as a whack job.
Obama's education versus Palin's education
Barack Obama attended Occidental College, but received his undergraduate degree in political science from Columbia University, an Ivy League member currently ranked 9th in the country by U.S. News and World Report. Obama also graduated Magna Cum Laude from the Harvard Law School, where he also served as President of the Harvard Law Review.

Palin spent her first college semester at Hawaii Pacific College, transferring in 1983 to North Idaho College and then to the University of Idaho. She attended Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska for one term, returning to the University of Idaho to complete her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.
Obama bashing versus Palin bashing... sm
Obama will be in the forefront for the next 4 years, assuming the electoral college pans out the way the popular vote did and providing his BC holds up in court.

Palin, on the other hand, has gone back to the frozen tundra. Whether she resurfaces in 2012 remains to be seen, but can't we just wait until then to start in on her?
Vote McCain and Palin! -oh and why does Palin
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Palin over Biden any day. Make fun of Palin all you
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Sarah Palin makes Sarah Palin look stupid!
The Democrats did not make Sarah Palin look stupid. Sarah Palin does a fine job of looking stupid without help from anyone. All she has to do is open her mouth!
Palin might not have taken it anywhere
but it is not her job to seek taking books off shelves, period.  And you don't know if this is "political crap" or not because the media has not been permitted to ask her any questions.  Once voters get these answers, then they will have the necessary information with which to make a decision as to whether or not this is who we/they want in office.  I, for one, am not going to skew her with a pitchfork or defend her as I have no information with which to do so, either way.  I need answers to these questions that have been floating out there. Questions and answers are very important in our form of government called democracy which is for the people, of the people and by the people.  Freedom comes with a gigantic amount of responsibility, is not to be taken lightly, and is very fragile.
and Palin

accused Hillary of whining when she protested.  Talk about unity among women.


 


What Palin said is exactly right....
we haven't fought Iraqis since Baghdad fell. We have been fighting the insurgency "Al Qaeda In Iraq" since then. And if I am not mistaken, AL Qaeda was responsible for 9-11.

It appears there are others than Sarah Palin who are "clueless."

Sarah Palin is not running for President. Obama is. ANd he has been running for 18 months. If he had done an interview 3 weeks into it, he would have done no better than she did, and probably worse.

lol.
Why would Palin do this? sm

She banned reporters from her 1st meeting with world leaders.  Only allowed access to photographers and a television crew.  I'm just curious as to if anybody read as to why.


 


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_el_pr/palin_leaders


Now if only Palin would say....
for the love of Pete.....LOL!  I say that all the time and get teased horribly for it. 
Palin

Palin has many shady contacts also: 


She has backed the Alaska Independence Party.  Its platform calls for the defense of "states rights," to "seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution." Basically, the AIP wants a vote on secession. The AIP says that Gov. Sarah Palin used to be a member of the party. Earlier this year, Palin recorded a welcoming address to the AIP's convention.


Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."


In an interview of extremists Mark Chryson and Steve Stoll helped launch Palin’s political career in Alaska, and in return had influence over policy. “Her door was open,” says Chryson — and still is.


So, this is group is just one of her past supporters.  They helped her get where she is today.  And dont even get me started on McCain.


Palin
Just dont try to marry into her family and then divorce because then she will come after you with all her power that the VP will give her.  Talk about abuse of power!  They they flat out refuse to testify?  I didnt know anyone had that right. 
Palin
Because SHE wanted to be there.
What exactly is it about Palin you don't like?
I like the fact that Mccain chose her after only meeting her once or twice. If he had chosen someone he has known for 20 years or so or someone he is buddies with, everyone would have jumped on him for choosing a friend.

And please don't get on about how she talks, etc., (not just saying this to you gourdpainter, to everyone) how many people have actually looked past how she talks and what she has named her children to what her stance is on the issues?

You can make fun of her for saying seeing Russia from Alaska is foreign policy experience (she WAS joking!) but then Obama turned around and said there are 57 states... they all make gaffes.

I think that she is a strong woman and she has a good moral base. Yes, her daughter got pregnant, but really, did you all listen to your moms on everything? I know when I was a teenager I went to parties, drank, smoked, even though my mommy told me not too. You can tell your children everything, but believe me, they aren't going to listen to you! Not until they hit about 22 and go "oh crap, mom and dad WERE RIGHT!"

The fact that she brought her Down syndrome child into the world just shows how much love she has. It's nice to see her husband is so active in the raising of their children. I know quite a few dads who aren't. It goes to show she will have a good support group if she becomes VP.

As for her experience, we obviously need to throw the experience argument out this election since Biden and Mccain are about equal and Obama and Palin are about equal.

Also, everyone keeps talking about how they want change and don't want the same old politicians in the white house but then they want to harp on Palin and say "oh she was governor of Alaska, what does she know??" I think it would be refreshing to have someone that isn't from a big city and hasn't been in the Senate. I mean Biden has been there for what, ever? And so has Mccain. So maybe by having this "small town girl" to check him on some things will be good.

I think people just need to get off her case. Dems, if SNL was making fun of Obama every week, you would be furious, and a lot of people would claim racism, etc. I think it is sickening that ANY of our candidates have been reduced to a comedy routine in which they are portrayed in such a bad light. Regardless of what we think of them, our leaders need to be respected. If we can't respect them, then we need to vote them out.

I'm sorry, but if no one can admit that the liberal media has been very biased this election, they have been living under a rock. Even comedy shows, like SNL, Daily show, Colbert, etc have been very left sided. There is no longer any unbiased news. And then because maybe one or two sources go against the grain and lean right they are considered a poor source. That is totally unfair. We are supposed to believe everything the liberal news says, but not what the conservative news says? C'mon. You have to know by now when you watch the news NO MATTER WHO IS REPORTING you need to take it with a grain of salt!

Once again, this is no longer an election. It is a popularity contest. Sad.



Okay...first of all Palin can't
fart without the media reporting about it.  LOL!  I just do not see where you guys say she was being all sneaky.  Did she steal the money from the RNC?  NO....they gave it to her to buy clothes.  Do you want a receipt of every thing the RNC has spent and who they have spent it on because if that is the case, we can request that of the DNC because I'm sure they have similar things they have paid for.  At least Palin didn't say that the clothes were just in her closet like Obama said about Ayers just living in his neighborhood.  I don't see where Palin has tried to hide anything and when it came out....she was honest about it.  That is more than I can say for Mr. Obama who says he never heard Rev. Wright preach any message of hate in the 20 years he attended that church which is all I've ever heard out of Wright's mouth when he has been interviewed on TV.
Q&A re Palin

> > Question: What is America 's first line of missile
> > interceptor defense that protects the entire United States ?
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> > Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard.
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> > Question: What is the ONLY National Guard unit on
> > permanent active duty?
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> > Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard
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> > Question: Who is the Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile
> > Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?
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> > Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska
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> > Question: What U.S. governor is routinely briefed on
> > highly classified military issues, homeland security, and
> > counter terrorism?
> >
> > Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska
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> > Question: What U.S. governor has a higher classified
> > security rating than either candidate of the Democrat Party?
> > Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska
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> > According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain
> > in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used
> > to keeping secrets. She can be entrusted with our national
> > security, because she already is.
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> > Now you know too, please, pass it on!
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> > Commander....
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> > 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard
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Go Palin ----NOT!
http://alaskareport.com/news98/x61620_rape_palin.htm
Maybe neither she nor Palin consider her to be in ...
"a fix." What if your daughter chose life? Gonna send her to Alaska to Palin?
What I see Palin as....

is an absolute insult to women in this country.  She was simply put on the ticket to try to get Hillary supporters, and seemingly was okay with that.  Women have worked just as hard as any other minority in this country for equality.  Regardless of that, she ran on a ticket that did not support equal wages for equal work (check out McCain's record), was against choice when it came to abortion, would like to overturn R v Wade, and every time she opens her mouth ignorance abounds. 


No, I don't want her to succeed because I would hate for any other country to think she is actually a portrayal of women in this country.  She is an absolute joke.


Palin fun...(sm)

Point and click on everything -- several times (especially animals behind doors)


http://www.palinaspresident.us/


ROFL


Me Too -Go McCain and Palin!
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Palin does have brains.

She could not have gotten where she is today without having brains especially since she started in the PTA and moved up.  She didn't have mommy or daddy in politics bringing her name up every chance they got.  She is a very admirable women, IMHO.  I would be very proud to have her as VP.  A woman who can raise 5 kids and be a governor......that is just remarkable.  I admire the way she still had her youngest son even though the doctors told her he would have Down syndrome.  She isn't afraid to stand up for what she believes.  She is more of a real person to me.  She hunts, she is a hockey mom.  She is no b!mbo.  And lastly....she is a beautiful woman and I'm not just speaking about her outer appearance.  She cares.  She is for the people.  I think McCain made a great choice when he picked her.


Go McCain and Palin 2008!!! 


Everyone is talking about Palin? NOT.
McCain's self-destructive stunt sucked the air out of nothing. The big speech is still resonating for those 84,000 who filled the seats of the Mile High stadium and the 38,000,000 TV viewing audience. We have all noticed the deafening silence from the McCain camp on the 19 points Obama raised in the big speech, which comes as no surprise since we are used to seeing republicans run in the opposite direction as fast as their feet can carry them when confronted with any sort of intellectual challenge. If you, your party and McCain want to make jokes instead of taking the real issues seriously, you will just be digging yourselves in deeper and deeper. In fact, let me loan you the shovel.

Just because you choose to wimp out in the face of intelligent dialogue on the very grave issues that our nation face, some of which have been raised in these posts, does not mean they have disappeared. It just means that they do not exist to you. All of the articulate posts that have appeared today have been ignored by the stupefied and responded to by the informed. The DNC does not have to tell PUMA anything, but the attitude behind such a comment is just another example of the misguided, miscalculated notions McCain employed when he made his VP selection. Then again, the republicans have always been a smug bunch who have a tendency to underestimate their opposition.

These are grown women (PUMA) who have minds of their own and have the sense to be just as insulted as the rest of our gender who are not supporting a party who will outsource their jobs 'til the cows come home, kill any initiatives that guarantee fair/equal pay for equal work, treat women like political cattle, use them as tokens to pump life into a dead campaign and select a woman who would submit herself to this blatant and transparent exploitation….all for the sake of a policy that would attempt to wrestle free choice away from women to control their own bodies and reproductive functions and cram right-wing Christian dogma down their throats.

Hillary supporters and women with brains don't take kindly to these policies, anymore than they subscribe to the NeoCon positions of the republicans' latest hand-picked celebrity. The hypocrisy is breath-taking. McCain has gambled away his experience card and his celebrity card and played the gender card, all the while accusing the Obama camp of playing the race card….a political stunt that is already backfiring right in his face, and we are only 36 hours into the aftermath.

Sarah Palin
Sarah Palin has just announced her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant and will be marrying the baby's father!