If they can find the right spin they will..sm
Posted By: Democrat on 2006-12-18
In Reply to: I saw this yesterday . Wonder if Fox will broadcast this? - LVMT
But they have to be careful how the approach active duty soldiers you know. Especially since they have spent the last 3 years saying liberals were not supporting the troops.
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Sigh....spin, spin, spin, you are making me dizzy....
deny, deny, deny. I have said over and over and over again...do you people have a cognitive disability? I don't give a rip about who or when or how many times Clinton had sex or who it was with...the man committed felony perjury! He broke the law. Instead of acknowledging that, saying it was wrong, and that any President who committed a felony should be impeached, you just wanna say well no matter what he did, Bush is worse. You are so totally consumed by hatred for George Bush your value system is skewed. Look...is perjury against the law or isn't it? Should a sitting President who breaks the law not be impeached? If George Bush had dinged an intern, lied about it, and then lied before a grand jury, would you be saying you shouldn't impeach George Bush for committing perjury because he lied about sex?? OF COURSE NOT, you would he asking for his head on a pike!!
So, try to focus...either it is wrong or it isn't. It does not matter what the lie is ABOUT. It is a matter of principle...if you care about principle, and I do.
And another thing, if it WERE Bush who did the same thing Clinton did, I would be calling for HIS impeachment. Because I, unlike you obviously, believe that no MAN, including Bill Clinton is above the law.
Where did you get the figure half a million people? Oh nevermind. I am not supposed to ask you for sources, forgot....my bad.
So, even if it WERE a half million people, if you want to impeach Bush you need to fire Congress because it was THEY who voted to send the troops, not George Bush. He can't vote...helllooo.
Denial, denial, denial. It is so patently obvious...you cannot get past the Bush hatred...cannot see the forest for the trees. Amazing....utterly, completely, amazing. And at the same time...appalling.
find out. I find sam's posts to the point
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Spin this one.
Parish President Aaron Broussard breaks down on Meet The Press
The guy who runs this building I’m in, Emergency Management, he’s responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, “Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming?” and he said, “Yeah, Mama, somebody’s coming to get you.” Somebody’s coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Friday… and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night! [Sobbing] Nobody’s coming to get us. Nobody’s coming to get us. The Secretary has promised. Everybody’s promised. They’ve had press conferences. I’m sick of the press conferences. For god’s sakes, just shut up and send us somebody.
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There wasn't anyone to send. By all accounts this is not a unique story. At another nursing home 30 residents perished for lack of any assistance. How many nursing homes in New Orleans? Patients too ill to move laid in the beds on the roof of Charity Hospital awaiting rescue and had to watch healthy non-essential personnel being evacuated from the roof of Tulane (closely tied to government research agencies) across the street. The chopper left and it didn't come back for them. The doctors at Charity were reduced to giving each other saline IVs to hold off dehydration so they could try to continue to protect their patients while armed drug addicts were shooting the locks below trying to get in to get the drugs they thought were there. How many of those patients or doctors are alive now? Seems like everyone coming out of there has a story like these to tell, about horrible things happening not during the hurricane or first flood but two, three, four, five days later. These aren't just unfortunate and unavoidable consequences of natural disaster.
You can spin it however you want....
And, no, I do not think she is decent. I also do not believe she will ever be First Lady. Her own mouth will put an end to that dream....
it the spin
Of course we all know they are just spinning it like they can. If Clinton had gotten Edwards' endorsement then all their talk would be about how it solidifies them as the candidate for the blue collar worker. Obama gets the endorsement, so not it's just not important anyway. It's like the spin on the WV primary. She makes it out to be this crucial swing state the likes of Ohio when it matters little and has trended Republican the last two presidential elections anyway. Well, what else can she do? If that's all you have to work with I guess you blow it out of proportion (or minimize it in the case of Edwards). That's politics for you.
Spin the spin........
I think I will throw up now. Just think, if all animals were gay! And.........truth be told.........billy goats give themselves BJs....................and there are still billy goats!!!! hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
spin, spin, spin. - sm
You stick it - this is a valid news source.
It's out of their own newspaper. What a load of crock that you know the pubs cheat! Check your facts!!!! Oh wait you do know the facts, you just don't want to admit it because your god is in there.
It's the dems who cheat! Plain and simple. You're like a child that doesn't get your way and you decided to throw a temper tantrum.
In the primaries supporters of Hillary had rigged their voting machines so that she received most of the votes, even when people had voted for Barack, they rigged it so it went for Hillary.
Supporters or Hillary who lived in New York and Pennsylvania came to Connecticut and registered there to vote in their state too.
In the 2000 election they found a huge democratic official with a voting machine in his car and he was creating more votes for AL Gore than thee were people. Even the headline in the newspaper read that more people voted for Al Gore that actually lived in the county.
It has always been the democrats who cheat and then they spin it around to make it look like the big bad republicans are doing it.
spin, spin, spin
Change the subject. Nice try. Maybe you missed a very serious case and the pitiful facts surrounding that sex ring in VT a few months ago. Are you sure you really live there? You've got some real doozies for elected officials there. You should be mighty proud to be the #1 most pedophile-friendly state in the union.
Any reason why you try so hard to avoid that story? The perp was supposedly rehabilitated when he was doing all this disgusting stuff. Of course, there's scum in every state.
I'm glad (a) I don't have kids, and (b) I don't live in VT, where you might be someone "supervising" the playground or something. Wow. Where do they find people with such twisted mindsets, anyway?
Pro-war..what a nice little spin
GT I could almost believe you were Cindy Sheehan yourself. Heck, if I were George Soros, Howard Dean, or Michael Moore I'd snatch up as a publicist, a spokesperson in a heart beat. You've sure got the rhetoric down pat. I'm sure you will take this as a compliment but it's not meant that way.
Please do not spin my thoughts on CSK
I stated in my posts that I admire Mrs. very much. You have a very jaded view of Republicans and conservatives, so having a further conversation with you would not be productive and/or would not change your mind. I'm not trying to anyway but just trying to refute some of the gross misstatements in your posts. From your thoughts you think Repubs are the essence of evil. I think putting every Republican in the evil box implies that you are very polarized. I am not. There are some Democrats that I admire greatly as well as there are some Republicans I think should fall off the face of the Earth and vice versa.
I didn't sit and watch the whole funeral (I have to make a living). I heard Sen. Kennedy was there and spoke. I could be wrong on that one. I know there were some very upbeat and positive moments during the funeral. It definitely wasn't a dire depressing event. I'm only making comments about the politicans. You may think that no one was put off by Carter's comments, but please be assured talk radio is abuzz about the inappropriateness of the comments during Mrs. King's funeral and how classless it was. I'm sure the majority of the audience agreed with Carter. Our present Commander in Chief attended the funeral and to insult him nearly directly was definitely inappropriate and classless to say the least, especially at a funeral.
I think you need to get your facts about the Wellstone funeral straight. The Wellstone funeral turned into a Republican bash-fest by Democrats, so I don't see your point in bringing that up as an example of Republicans desecrating a funeral, because Democrats did that all on their own.
Anyway, I think America sees what is going on. I know that many people don't agree with Bush, but most people don't have the deep seated hate for Bush that you and other liberals seem to share.
This is my last post on the subject here...have a nice evening.
The spin stops right here....sm
So they have all had their panties in a wad for a lie. Is there any new news?
Talk about spin.....
He is giving you a $5000 tax credit to help you buy the insurance you want that fits your family's needs (McCain). And it is not taxed to you. Go read about it other than listen to what Obama's campaign says. I went to Obama's site, that is where I learned about his plan, not from his opponent, from HIM. Tax the middle class my eye. Obama says even the small businesses will not pay more than they paid under reagan. Under reagan the top rate was 28%. Obama's top is 41%. Helloo?? Laugh all the way to the poorhouse, friend. Buy a case of that snake oil. You may need it.
lol.
OMG! No SPIN on this board?
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What spin - these are my thoughts
There is no spin to ones thoughts and feelings. I'm not sitting here trying to get you to believe one thing or another. I posted about a news story I read and my feelings. That is not spin.
Propaganda - whatever spin they need
We also have socialized K-12 schools and libraries; how is it that big business missed that chance for profit? Never turned me into a Bolshevik. But somehow, if we had free health care, it would corrupt us completely. 
Well...talk about spin.
O may be spending a tad more than Bush in total budget, but he is cutting back 1.4 million on missile defense.....which, IMO, is not a very smart thing to do right now. If Iran, Pakistan, and North Korea have missiles and are sending them up and we show up with a tank....it is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
O'Reilly: Twisted spin, again.
A quote:
O'REILLY: Massive neglect? Let's take a look at that bit of overstatement. Halfway through President Clinton's tenure in office, the poverty rate was 13.7%. Halfway through President Bush's tenure the rate is 12.7, a full point lower.
[COMMENT According to statistics obtained from the U. S. Census site, when Bill Clinton began his term as President in 1993, the poverty rate was 15.1%. By the time Clinton left office the poverty rate was 11.7%. By 2002, under George Bush the rate began to rise again to 12.1% in 2002, 12.5% in 2003 and 12.7% in 2004.
According to the Christian Science Monitor this most recent increase was unforeseen by analysts who expected the number to drop along with unemployment and may indicate a disturbing trend. While the poverty level for Asians declined and it remained stable for Hispanics and African-Americans, the only group that saw an increase was non-Hispanic white Americans living in the midwest. In other words there are 1.1 million poorer red state residents this year than there were last year.]
O'REILLY: In 1996 the Clinton budget allotted $191 billion for poverty entitlements. That was 12.2% of the budget. ... However, the Bush 2006 budget allots a record-shattering $368 billion for poverty entitlements - 14.6% of the entire budget - a huge increase over Clinton's spending. Did the elite media mention that? Jesse Jackson mention that? Of course they didn't. Because it's much more convenient for Evan Thomas and others to imply that America under President Bush has turned its back on the poor. But it's absolute nonsense. Even in the midst of the war on terror [Note: Did he mean the war of choice in Iraq?], this country is spending a massive amount of money tryin' to help the poor. So why the lie? Because political gain can be made off the suffering of others, that's why. Those who oppose the Bush administration don't care about the truth. They only want to advance their own agenda, so once again the No-Spin zone rides to the rescue.
Hard-working Americans are providing the poor with Medicaid, food stamps, supplemental security income - that's free money - child nutrition programs, welfare payments, child daycare payments, temporary assistance to needy families, foster care, adoption assistance and health insurance for children. But, it will never be enough for the Jesse Jacksons and Howard Deans of the world. Never! If they told you the truth, they'd go out of business.
Now, I fully expect to be attacked by the far-left media for tellin' you all this. I'm sure they'll label me a racist, a shill for Bush, stuff like that. But, I don't care. The dollars don't lie. We are a generous nation. And that is the truth.
COMMENT
Most of the poor in this country WORK, many of them hold down two and three jobs. If you want to read a damning book on this topic, I suggest you get Barbara Ehrenreich's Nickeled and Dimed: On (Not) Getting by in America. Ms. Ehrenreich went underground and worked at minimum wage jobs for a year. She discovered a few unpleasant facts about life on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. Self-satisfied, replete, rich men like Bill O'Reilly sit in their posh offices and scare hard-working Americans into believing that their taxes go to indigent scofflaws who sit at home guzzling beer, smoking pot, eating chips and watching TV. Those of us closer to homelessness know this is not the case.
When he mentioned that SSI (social security supplemental income) is free money, he neglected to say that it is money that goes to disabled Americans or that providing health coverage for children reduces trips to the emergency room!
Sometimes I wonder how many poor people Mr. O'Reilly actually knows or has associated with on a long-term basis? For the past 15 years I've been involved in a local program that offers music scholarship to needy families. In that time I've taught 7 different children from 7 different poverty situations and I came to know the families personally. Most of the adults in the family work really hard. Sometimes the kids worked, too, after school. Some had parents trying to break a drug habit (yes, they held down a job) or schizophrenic parents (who were incapable of working) or an abusive parent (who worked, then took it out on the family), but most were blessed with caring parents who were doing the best to provide for their children against almost impossible odds.
So when I hear guys like O'Reilly spout their simplistic tripe implying that the poor are sucking the lifeblood out of hard-working Americans, I see red.
Also, I don't trust O'Reilly's numbers on entitlement programs simply because he never once used the words inflation-adjusted dollars. If he was simply quoting raw numbers, I'd like to remind him that 15 years ago the dollar went farther. Additionally, he did not indicate through graphics or verbally whether or not there was parity between the two budgets, i.e., was he citing figures that included exactly the same programs in both figures?
Given O'Reilly's dubious track record, one cannot accept his statements without independent verification.
Yeah, loving your spin
MT was answering a POLL, not actively saying she was going back to Iraq. Any idiot could see that except people who have spin reality to suit their liking which goes on here all the time.
The MSM did cover it, but all positive spin. sm
They said the troops were unarmed. No mention of FEMA thwarting relief efforts either.
Here is an article archived on Alex's page about some of it. Of course, since it did not come from Fox News it can't be believable.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mexican_dutch_troops_sent_biloxi.htm
zero still equals zero no matter how you try to spin it
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Of course you will. It's called spin. lol...sheesh.
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Kissinerger Spin Doctor?
Palin, Kissinger Split on Talks with Ahmadinejad
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ABC News' Teddy Davis, Arnab Datta, and Rigel Anderson Report: During an interview with CBS News' Katie Couric which aired Thursday evening, Sarah Palin called Barack Obama "beyond naïve" for wanting to talk "without preconditions" to rogue leaders.
"I think, with Ahmadinejad, personally, he is not one to negotiate with," said Palin, referring to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. "You can't just sit down with him with no preconditions being met."
"Barack Obama is so off base in his proclamation that he would meet with some of these leaders around our world who would seek to destroy America and that, and without preconditions being met," she continued. "That's beyond naïve. And it's beyond bad judgment."
Asked if she considers former Republican Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to be "naïve" for supporting talks without preconditions, Palin said, "I've never heard Henry Kissinger say, 'Yeah, I'll meet with these leaders without preconditions being met.'"
Palin was overlooking that Kissinger (with whom she met earlier this week) has backed negotiating directly with Iran over its nuclear program and other bilateral issues -- a point which Couric reconfirmed at the closer of her interview.
"Incidentally," said Couric, "we confirmed Henry Kissinger's position following our interview, he told us he supports talks if not with Ahmadinejad, than with high-level Iranian officials without preconditions."
When contacted by ABC News about the split in position with Kissinger, the McCain-Palin campaign had no immediate comment.
Perception and spin are so interesting
The shoe-throwing incident is a perfect example. I saw Bush pretty nimbly dodging the thrown shoe, not ducking or "cowering" as some of the MSM talking heads described it, just whipping his torso to the side briefly, and centering up again with remarkable aplomb.
Wondering what he was supposed to do: Stand still and get smacked? Execute a perfect tai kwon do block? Catch and throw it back? Just askin'.......
Wrong - no matter what way you spin it
I make less than 250K a year and my taxes have doubled. Each year I used to either get something back (it was small, maybe a 100 or 200) or break even, and on top of that I used to get a rebate. Now because of the tax INCREASE my taxes are doubled this year.
Why you keep saying $250K is beyond me because even after he said 250, he then said I mean $200, then I mean $175, and then it went to I mean $150. Even Bumbling Biden came out and said it's now $150.
What your spewing is spin. In other words it's a BIG FAT LIE. "He passed the largest middle class tax cut" my foot. That's in the same boat as "voluntary mandatory"
His plan is to make the middle income poor, raise the lower income to be poor/middle income so we're all equal. And he aint touching the wealthy.
Tax cut my butt...One big fat lie and I know because I am now reaping the consequences of his tax INCREASE!!!!!!
Conservative Spin Fail
Cavuto was directly addressing coverage by cable news organizations when he made those quotes, directly comparing Fox News to CNN and MSNBC. (Watch the video clips.)
And, unless they covered it on Married with Children or the X-Files, there was no "Fox" coverage of the Million Man March because the only news broadcasts on Fox at that time were provided by local affiliates from other networks,and that was at the discretion of individual stations. They did not have a national nightly news broadcast.
It's a figure of speech..., not spin. I was always referring only to.
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ADHD. The no bash reply was to your spin
Of course we should compare plans. Your question is a rhetorical innuendo. Your words, not mine. Comparing plans is where it's at.
Think for yourself. Kick the Fox spin to the curb and think people.
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Nice spin there.....but give it a rest.
Nobody in their right mind wants Biden in charge of this country. That doesn't mean that person would want Obama killed if Biden wasn't the VP. So stop putting words in people's posts.
There is no spin, no excuse, no reason. The govt did not do as they were supposed to do.
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Despite your attempt at spin - Afghan and Iraq are 2 different wars.....nm
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There is no Fox spin when we are reading the same news elsehwere - see message
Believe it or not people who listen to Fox news ALSO get their news from other reputable sites (newspapers, CSPAN, local news, etc). Unlike those who will only choose MSNBC (a propaganda station) or CNN (Communist News Network). People who listen to those two stations are so blatantly hateful towards anyone else. MSNBC is the worst. The commentators on that station definitely have an agenda to put fear and paranoia out. They have nothing to back up their claims and they are attacking the other news stations (mainly Fox) because they are losing huge huge sums of money (millions) because more and more people are turning them off and watching the stations that will give them the truth, and let both sides speak without acting like elitists.
Think for yourself? Let me tell you. I've been reading this board for some time wondering why people are writing some of the stuff they do. Well yesterday while the tea parties were going on all over the country I heard MSNBC was not covering it at all. I thought that's pretty stoopid because they are going to lose more viewers if they choose not to cover a major event (which watching all the coverage even my DH said this is bigger than election day was). So I was curious and said surely they wouldn't be that stoopid. Well sure enough, nothing. However, within the first 10 minutes I saw exactly the same thing that posters like you come to the board and do. Trash others for not having the same viewpoints they (or you) do. I could only take 10 minutes of MSNBC. Then had to turn it off. However, throughout the day I kept going back to it thinking surely someone there would have sense to cover any of it. After all over a million people in this country participated. I remember MSNBC covered the million man march. I did keep switching to MSNBC through the day, but still nothing, and I was never disappointed to find the same ol hate spew being reported, and then I remembered why I stopped watching them. However, I did learn that every negative post and bashing of people who are not liberals on this board are an exact replica of what was being said on MSNBC.
The people who watch Fox news and other stations do think for themselves because we are given all the facts (both sides) and we make our own opinions and conclusions. We are not told by Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, and the others how to think and what to do and how to bash and destroy. People who continue to listen to MSNBC, CNN and other left-wing liberal stations who have nothing but hate for the other side, those are people who cannot think for themselves. You need others to tell you what your opinion should be.
I couldn't find that one but I did find this
S.Amdt.4170: To protect families, family farms and small businessees by extending the income tax rate structure, raising the death tax exemption to $5 million and reducing the maximum death tax rate to no more than 35%; to keep education affordable extending the college tuition deduction; and to protect senior citizens from higher taxes on their retirement income, maintain U.S. financial market competitiveness, and promote economic growth by extending the lower tax rates on dividents and capital gains.
NAY: Biden and Obama YEA: McCalin
I.E., this is in the voting record in the public records. There are not too many voting records there for the O since he started his campaign and most of those he voted NAY or say Not Voting.
Well, then, please find me one that you find to be racist.
Conservative outright spin and BS, spread on Fox by Gregg Jarrett, for the real whole unbiased story
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgif=/c/2009/101/02/ED151514UE.dtl, there was one slight recession in 1937-1938 because of spectacular growth when it took off, read the rest of the story. Pubs will say anything to rewrite history and try to save face. IMO
Find it yourself...
I used to answer all of these posts requiring that I go back and find the names and dates and places of anything that I posted to prove what I was saying. What usually happened was that it would still be discounted for some reason or another as biased, meaningless or just untrue so I have stopped reresearching for the nonbelievers. I read papers. I watch news shows. I watch senate proceedings. David Gergen, Ed Gillespie, William Buckley, Susan Collins, Peter King, Bill Bennett are a few off the top of my head but if you need proof, you do the legwork. I assure you it is out there. C-SPAN is a good source. You can see and hear them in action.
You know what I find to be
OFF-THE-WALL mindboggling about the king's apologists/cultists is that they shriek about illegal immigration with *They're breaking the LAW!*....hmmm, so they don't hold their king to the standard they expect from noncitizens of this country? It's hard work drinking all that Kool-Aid!
Meanwhile, Cheney claims he hasn't seen the senate report re: no connection between Osama and Saddam, and Rice insists there WERE ties and it was all Tenet's fault. HUH?! So now I'm wondering, does this mean Tenet has to return his medal of freedom? After all, it's not like he said he was pressured to manufacture the intelligence to suit Bush and Co.
Took me a while to find this....
And Clinton is a serial rapist. So what is your point? sm
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Posted By: Brunson on 2006-05-03,
In Reply to: Hitchens is a public and private severe alcoholic - Mind
Everyone knows that Hitchens is an alcoholic. You are adding nothing to this conversation. Act like an adult or leave.
I cannot find it
but I have also seen a picture where Obama is standing on a platform with other people who are pledging allegiance to our beautiful flag with their hand over their hearts, and Obama is just standing there. This is the picture that really made me wonder what this guy is made of, where he is coming from, and where he wants to take us!
I find it odd.....
I find it odd that people won't follow the constitution written about 200 years ago by our founding fathers (people we know what they looked like). They say it's old and archaic and has no place in today's world - times have changed.
Yet...they will follow the bible word for word that was written around 1500 to 400 BC. - which by the way was written by men keeping in the parts they wanted to and not putting in other parts they didn't want to.
Where is the sanity?
why can't they find them?
They have to put the info into a computer somewhere? Why can't it just tell them that it is invalid - my local office was able to tell me within 24 hours that I was okay to vote this year.
Where did you find this?
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Once again, you only want to find something to
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Won't be able to find you and your ilk. You;ll be
living under the same rock you crawled out from under. Bye-Bye, sad Brad.
If you can't find them...well (sm)
you obviously have a problem already. Sources I've used include a direct link to the US Senate, factcheck.org (an organization that even Fox uses), going to bills/legistation directly....etc.
We can find these all day...
long, but until you actually look at McCain's voting record, posts like this (including the one below) are nothing but opinion.
http://vetsforobama.org/
The ones I find concerning:
AIDE TO IRAN'S AYATOLLAH ALI KHAMENEI, ALI AGHAMOHAMMADI
"The president-elect has promised changes in policies. There is a capacity for the improvement of ties between America and Iran if Obama pursues his campaign promises, including not confronting other countries as Bush did in Iraq and Afghanistan, and also concentrating on America's state matters and removing the American people's concerns."
In other words, sit down with us with no preconditions and let's powwow.
RUSSIAN DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER GRIGORY KARASIN
"The news we are receiving on the results of the American presidential election shows that everyone has the right to hope for a freshening of US approaches to all the most complex issues, including foreign policy and therefore relations with the Russian Federation as well."
In other words, come into my parlor said the spider to the fly...
The rest kind of backs up his citizen of the world mantra. Will wait and watch for how that plays out.
The one I find amusing:
SUDANESE FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN ALI AL-SADIG
"We don't expect any change through our previous experience with the Democrats. When it comes to foreign policy there is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats."
LOL
They won't find it. LOL (nm)
I always find that the most
vociferous against religion are the ones who are so afraid there is a God that when their time comes and their life is judged, they know what's coming, and feel guilty for the life they are leading.
I don't want to find out what comes after
trillion but if our government continues to spend the money, I fear we may find out the hard way. All I've heard about is how Bush doubled our deficit in 8 years. Well, Obama has been in office not even a full month and wants to add 1 trillion dollars to it....although he continues to say 800 billion in his charismatic speeches. I'm also so tired of the blame game. Obama himself made sure in his speech last night at the democratic retreat (which, BTW, taxpayers helped pay for, thanks O) to mention that government is a group of people throwing out ideas and it isn't one person dictating everything. Yet he continues to blame one person, Bush, for our crisis. This crisis has been a long time coming people and started before Bush, although he didn't help either. I blame government as a whole and I intend to hold both dems and pubs feet to the fire and since the dems are currently in control......they are most definitely getting more criticism from me because they are in charge at this point. Doesn't mean I'm not keeping an eye on the pubs too cuz Lord knows there are crooks in both parties.
Find it For Yourself
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