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Kudo's to you. I was hoping you'd respond

Posted By: me on 2008-09-05
In Reply to: First, thank those of you who supported me and supported... - sam

to the tactics of those who try to silence others who don't agree with them.

Mom always told me you don't like the channel change it, you don't have to watch something you don't want to. Same with the posters. If they don't like what you have to say, ignore it and move on.

Life's too short.


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I'm sorry, I just HAVE to respond here...

This is just bunk.  How arrogant can human beings be?  To think that we can manipulate this planet in such profound ways is ridiculous.  This is a dynamic planet.  These things have always happened, and always will.  The world has reinvented itself at least twice.  It will shake us all off like fleas off a dog, if it chooses to do so.  Not that we shouldn't be good custodians of the planet, but we don't even come CLOSE to having the kind of control that the environmental loons seem to believe.  Reminds me of that movie Armgageddon where Bruce Willis is standing out on that oil rig hitting golf balls at a Greenpeace boat screaming at them asking them how much diesel does that boat you've got there use?


And lastly, the United States cannot be single handedly blamed for a supposed case of global warming?  That people think that, specifically liberals, shows you just how political the whole thing is, and very little to do with science.  Last time I checked there was a great big huge INHABITED world beyond our shores, and they're also especially good at polluting this planet that we all share.


cant respond right now
Im sorry, first thing in my morning reading your post after watching thousands without anything and knowing they are going to DEMAND what they need..Geez, Im sorry, I cant post response right now..Im too upset..Later today, I will however respond, I promise. 
So why did ya respond?

If ignorance is bliss, the Obama-land is the happiest place on Earth!  Screw Disneyland!


Respond away.
You claimed I was the first to bring it up and I wasn't.
Dixie Dew: Please respond to this!
Okay.  Now you're back on the right.... er left.... er CORRECT board!  Please stay here, okay? 
Wow. I really don't know how to respond to your post. sm

But you support the troops...right?


Please do not respond observer
Please do not respond to my posts *Observer*.  This is the liberal board and my posts are to my fellow democrat/liberals not to a ring winger.  I have nothing in common with you or right wingers, in fact, I cannot stomach right wingers, their ideas, what they have done to this country under their president.  Do youself a favor, go back to the conservative board or just skip over my posts and dont even read them.
It is immaterial to me if you respond to me or not, LD...
still a free board, still a free country, still able to state an opinion. You do not have to waste your time or energy reading my responses. With all due respect of course.
Know you are not going to respond, don't mind....others might want to know...
any fire department employee is paid for by some branch of government...city, county, etc. They are all in essence government employees. Like any other city or county employee...like law enforcement. Los Angeles County FD, Orange County FD, they were the most heavily involved in fighting the Malibu fire, I believe. Generally volunteer firefighters are used where the municipalities cannot afford to pay firefighters, or for outlying areas that town firefighters do not cover. So I suppose that means firefighting is socialized anywhere the town, city or county government can afford it...not sure that qualifies as socialized firefighting. They are not universal firefighters all controlled from Washington, so really not similar to what socialized medicine would be. Control is at the local city or county level.
Would like to respond, but need more info....
I have been a bit out of touch the past week or so (looking for a job) and have not heard about Obama's latest remarks regarding sanctions, coalitions and the like. Could you please cite your sources for this information? It sounds like spin to me, but I like to keep open mind. You are right about much food for thought and I would like to enter this discussion once I know where this is coming from.

IMO, the sanctions against Iraq have very little to do with "punishing" Sadaam and more to do with serving US interests in destabilizing the region as a whole, thus facilitating US ambitions of securing and maintaining "oil"igarchy in the Middle East. We have been doing that ever since the late 1940s. Examples abound. Don't get me started.

The Iran sanctions discussion is a moot point. We have imposed sanctions against Iran ever since the Islamic revolution in 1979. Over the years, these have been extended and have become so harsh, there really is nothing left to sanction. This has succeeded in fueling the hatred Islamic extremists hold toward the West and emboldened their leaders, who have been quite resourcesful in bypassing US sanctions by forming alliances with other western and eastern countries.

With regard to "international coalitions" against Iran, I would be more worried about the Bush Administration covert operations as described recently by Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact) than anything Obama may come up with.

Still, I would be interested in learning more about these remarks you find so troubling.
911 Widows Respond to Coulter
Statement of September 11th Advocates
Response to “Godless”
For Immediate Release -- June 6, 2006

We did not choose to become widowed on September 11, 2001. The attack, which tore our families apart and destroyed our former lives, caused us to ask some serious questions regarding the systems that our country has in place to protect its citizens. Through our constant research, we came to learn how the protocols were supposed to have worked. Thus, we asked for an independent commission to investigate the loopholes which obviously existed and allowed us to be so utterly vulnerable to terrorists. Our only motivation ever was to make our Nation safer. Could we learn from this tragedy so that it would not be repeated?

We are forced to respond to Ms. Coulter’s accusations to set the record straight because we have been slandered. Contrary to Ms. Coulter’s statements, there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive. There was no happiness in telling our children that their fathers were never coming home again. We adored these men and miss them every day.

It is in their honor and memory, that we will once again refocus the Nation’s attention to the real issues at hand: our lack of security, leadership and progress in the five years since 9/11.

We are continuously reminded that we are still a nation at risk. Therefore, the following is a partial list of areas still desperately in need of attention and public outcry. We should continuously be holding the feet of our elected officials to the fire to fix these shortcomings.

1. Homeland Security Funding based on risk. Inattention to this area causes police officers, firefighters and other emergency/first responder personnel to be ill equipped in emergencies. Fixing this will save lives on the day of the next attack.

2. Intelligence Community Oversight. Without proper oversight, there exists no one joint, bicameral intelligence panel with power to both authorize and appropriate funding for intelligence activities. Without such funding we are unable to capitalize on all intelligence community resources and abilities to thwart potential terrorist attacks. Fixing this will save lives on the day of the next attack.

3. Transportation Security. There has been no concerted effort to harden mass transportation security. Our planes, buses, subways, and railways remain underprotected and highly vulnerable. These are all identifiable soft targets of potential terrorist attack. The terror attacks in Spain and London attest to this fact. Fixing our transportation systems may save lives on the day of the next attack.

4. Information Sharing among Intelligence Agencies. Information sharing among intelligence agencies has not improved since 9/11. The attacks on 9/11 could have been prevented had information been shared among intelligence agencies. On the day of the next attack, more lives may be saved if our intelligence agencies work together.

5. Loose Nukes. A concerted effort has not been made to secure the thousands of loose nukes scattered around the world -- particularly in the former Soviet Union. Securing these loose nukes could make it less likely for a terrorist group to use this method in an attack, thereby saving lives.

6. Security at Chemical Plants, Nuclear Plants, Ports. We must, as a nation, secure these known and identifiable soft targets of Terrorism. Doing so will save many lives.

7. Border Security. We continue to have porous borders and INS and Customs systems in shambles. We need a concerted effort to integrate our border security into the larger national security apparatus.

8. Civil Liberties Oversight Board. Given the President’s NSA Surveillance Program and the reinstatement of the Patriot Act, this Nation is in dire need of a Civil Liberties Oversight Board to insure that a proper balance is found between national security versus the protection of our constitutional rights.

###

September 11th Advocates:
Kristen Breitweiser
Patty Casazza
Monica Gabrielle
Mindy Kleinberg
Lorie Van Auken
Stand down. If you respond, she will repeat herself
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Glad you can laugh....I should know better than to respond to you...nm

I hesitate to respond to this because I'm an Independent and see good and bad

in both liberals and conservatives.


Believe it or not, liberal/independent people can be pro choice, believe in God, love America, would like to see all nations free, and most of all, supports our troops.


First of all, we love our country so much that we have respect for the Constitution. Being pro choice or pro life is a direct result of your religious/spiritual beliefs. The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion for ALL people, even those who don’t subscribe to the same religion as YOU. The concept of when life begins relies 100% on religious beliefs. If I believe that life begins at the moment of conception, then the best way I can honor my God my religion is to not ever have an abortion. What I DON’T believe is that I have the right to impose my religious beliefs on every American in this country via laws. If I do that, I’m infringing on THEIR religious beliefs. The same hold true for stem cell research. If you don’t believe in it, then don’t participate in it. But don’t prevent others who don’t agree with you from reaping the life-saving benefits it may offer. In fact, some of us might think those against this research are anti-life, rather than pro-life, since they don’t seem to care at all about saving the people who are already here. A reasonable person of any faith might ask why in the world God gave us the technology if he/she didn’t want us to use it.


We further believe in the Constitution’s promise that we have freedom of speech. There is no doubt in my mind that you were surrounded by pro Bush people at a pro Bush rally. Were you actually in the same room with President Bush, though? You may have been. I, on the other hand, would never be allowed to attend one of his "town hall" meetings because he prescreens people and doesn’t let anyone in who doesn’t agree with him or might challenge him. Some of us would definitely think this is a very anti-American practice.


As far as other moral values are concerned, I personally don’t believe in lying. My personal God doesn’t care for that very much, either. The entire world was lied to by President Bush concerning the war in Iraq. What’s much worse than that is that he used the tragedy of 9/11 to propagate a war against the leader of a country that wasn’t associated with 9/11 in any way. He used the vast support he received during the Afghanistan invasion after 9/11 to achieve the goal he had before he was even elected President: To declare war against Saddam Hussein. He did this on the blood and backs of every victim of the Twin Towers attack. My personal God really has contempt for that kind of behavior.


As far as getting rid of God "from the publics views," I have yet to hear of one church/synagogue/mosque or other public religious building being shut down by a liberal. Liberals have EQUAL respect for all religions and are against one particular religion receiving favor over another. To bring Jesus’ name into the political arena or an arena paid for by the tax dollars of everyone diminishes other religious beliefs. There are people whose religious beliefs don’t include Jesus, and some liberals see the "My God is better than your God" game to be very dangerous in a country that claims to provide freedom of religion for all.


Finally, regarding our troops: Nobody has more respect for our troops than I do. It’s the President who seems to have no respect. The difference between me and President Bush is that I place much more value on each of their lives. I would never be so reckless with the lives of our children as to send them into an unplanned war, refuse to provide them with adequate equipment to fight that war and protect themselves, and lie to them about their release dates in order to hold them hostage. For several months in a row now, the military has failed to reach their recruitment quotas, which is no surprise to me. I want our troops to come home, ALIVE AND WELL, and that is a direct result of the respect I have for him all. Their lives should not be sacrificed casually for a false reason. Their lives should only be on the line when we are protecting ourselves from a direct threat. Perhaps if Bush cared enough about this country 30-some years ago and served combat duty in Vietnam, he would have more respect for our troops. But his wealth and privilege came to his rescue, and he was able to wiggle out of it. He never had to know firsthand what it’s like to wake up every morning (if indeed you’re that lucky) to wonder if this day is going to be your last. Perhaps if he did, he’d have more respect for our troops today.


Everyone supported the President when he sent troops to Afghanistan after 9/11. Unfortunately, we can’t leave Iraq right now. Bush "broke it," and now WE are MORALLY obligated to fix it. God only knows when that will happen. It’s not, as he and his cronies promised in the beginning, going to be a quick war, and contrary to what he declared in his well-planned photo op, "Mission Accomplished" by a long shot. The terrorists must figure that the odds are pretty good in their favor if only ONE suicide bomber can kill multiple people, Americans and Iraqis, in a single hit. And they’re not going away. They’re only getting stronger all the time because Bush created a haven for them in Iraq. So much for respecting our troops. And how are we going to "fix" the mess he made in Iraq when we simply run out of troops because young people refuse to enlist because they’ve lost faith in him and don’t trust our government any more? He promised he wouldn’t impose a draft. If/when he ultimately DOES impose it, I think a GREAT photo op for him would be when he accompanies Jenna and Barbara as they enlist. I don’t think I’ll hold my breath for that one.


Did you know that part of the Iraq war budget includes a comprehensive health care plan for every Iraqi citizen?  I personally think it's very immoral for a President to take care of others in another country when his own Americans are in the midst of such a health care crisis.


He’s apparently too concerned about "spreading freedom" all over the world to guarantee that same freedom is safe from peril here at home. I recently heard that al Qaeda is now joining drug lords from Central America to cross our carelessly unprotected borders and enter the country. They figured out they can do this successfully because their complexions are similar, and they can easily pass as someone of Latin descent. There is a myriad of other things this President should have done to make this country safer. But he’s too busy obsessing on his personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein. If he had put 1/100th of the effort into finding Osama bin Laden, we would have captured him by now. If he had put 1/100th of the effort into taking precautions concerning nuclear plants and other entities in this country, we actually WOULD be safer today.


Just because someone has tolerance and respect for all religious beliefs; perhaps has his or her own style of respect and support for our troops by wanting to keep them alive and using their service carefully, thoughtfully, and judiciously; believes a person already born and living in this country is a citizen and that an embryo isn’t; believes that we should clean up our own country before trying to clone more like it all over the world; and believes that the Constitution should be the written document that is relied upon to form laws and that religious documents should be left to churches and other houses of worship, doesn’t mean he or she doesn’t love this country, doesn’t believe in God, doesn’t have morals, isn’t a good person and doesn’t have values, and, most importantly, doesn’t support our troops.


The fact that you seem to think it does and would even ask that question, though, makes me wonder somewhat about you.


Just a hint. Next time respond to a post,

read it first. 


This isn't about the ACLU, or an agency LIKE the ACLU.


I think you would be hard pressed to find a liberal who agrees with NAMBLA or any organization like them that is in favor of sexual exploitation of children.  I don't think prison is even good enough for them.  I think they should get the death penalty.


Maybe if you would have actually taken the time to READ the post, you would see it has nothing to do with your response.


Oh, before you call me a liar. I did respond to the flat tax,
but I brought my responses back here.
You didn't respond to Yepper's post.

I don't feel the need to make the choice. It's a child, not a choice. n/t


I am unable to respond to leaps in "logic" that
rasberries
I made a mistake and was trying to respond to the post below by *LOL* when I wrote that.

in the article you posted, nor did I see the word *impeach* anywhere in the article.


I agree with your comments and with the article you referred to, and I understood the comments of LOL to mean that the article was responding to some sort of "talking points" and using the word impeach often, when in fact, it can't be found once in that article.


As far as impeaching Bush, I believe time will tell.   I personally believe he's guilty of war crimes, and that his war will be judged to be illegal before the end of his "reign as King of the USA." (if we all manage to survive that long).


The mere fact that he led us into this war based on lies should be enough to impeach him.


If I offended you, then I truly apologize.  I agree with you and I'm glad you posted this article.  I surely wouldn't have referred you back to the very article you obviously read and posted and tell you to educate yourself, and in no way, shape or form do I believe you are ignorant; far from it.


If you posted the LOL statement below, then I apologize for misunderstanding what you meant by it.


I made a mistake when posting my post, and instead of winding up under the intended post, it wound up under yours instead.  Again, I'm sorry if I offended you.


LOL! Not bright enough to respond intelligently to a wonderfully written

You bet!! I was SO hoping it would go this way....
she is PERFECT.
Here's hoping

he does not get angry with her in public and call her the "C" word like he called his wife.  He is well-known for explosive temper, we must remember.


 


You could be right, but I am hoping there is not that many demented sm
people out there. I would rather think someone is fixing the numbers up than think we have that many Americans who are haters.
I'm hoping too. Very exciting.
xxx
I'm hoping for Romney
s
would much rather see action that hoping a
action speaks louder than words, they say
Well....I'm hoping others thing so too
so McCain gets more undecided votes.  LOL!  I do believe he is a racist though....no doubt in my mind.
Here's hoping you will find your way
fear and dark foreboding. It does not sound like a very happy place. While erring on the side that change can be good, you may be in for a pleasant surprise.
They are hoping we are stupid....

and THAT's their vision of HOPE.


Hip hop, hip hop, tax cuts to the wealthy way on top, big corps are our friends, forget about the citizens. Yeah, we beat our chest and boast fake tans, cuz we want all the money, screw the little man. So what if we're on the take, let them eat cake. Drivin' my Benz, collectin' big dividends. We hate the poor, shove 'em out the door. No healthcare works well, may their bodies bloat and swell, with the dis-ease of the times, hit 'em with big fat fines. We will collect our swag any way we can, just gotta git rid of that magic black man.  Hey, HO


If you know some good democratic blog sites, please respond to this post with the links. nm
Thanks.
No, here's hoping Obama will undue the...sm
Damage the Bush admin. has done in cutting funding and throwing up roadblocks to anything that doesn't support their "abstinence only" idealogy - which has been a stunning failure though you'll never hear them admit it.

You won't vote for Obama because he's so liberal. I'll vote for him precisely because he is.
Hoping she gets to go back to Alaska
Nov. 4 so that she can keep getting her tans....or therapy for depression, whichever.
Hoping you and Bill M. move there first,
nm
That's why I'm hoping McCain wins. Then - sm
nobody in America will ever ridicule anybody ever again.
Here's hoping Chicago workers' sit-in and

good things to come.  As Bank of America acquires Merrill-Lynch (whose CEO has the utter gall to request a $10 million bonus pay-out after the ML sell-out) they are refusing credit to Republic Windows and Doors out of Chicago after receiving $15 billion in TARP funds.  The workers are fighting back to recover the pay and benefits they have already earned and their governor is backing them up.  Now that's what I'm talkin' about !


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aw5QzWC86Vl8&refer=home


Here's hoping the feds will mobilize appropriate
keep their eyeballs unpeeled on such screwball organizations.
Yes, I am just hoping that Obama wont end up the
nm
You are right, and I am hoping this may be the natural evolution......sm
of politics in this country. Back in Colonial America, there were the Federalists versus the Rebublican-Democrats, which turned into the "party" system we now have (love your comment about "party!"), big business and big money will always be in bed with the politicians, and that will keep propagating and feeding this political mess, but I have to think if the Libertarian or Independent parties were to have a strong enough candidate with a really well-crafted, timely, imperative platform, we could all vote with our pockets, one voter at at time, to strengthen a three or four-party system over time? Am I just wishing and praying, because I am seeing way too much back-scratching payola going on on BOTH SIDES of the aisles in Congress!
I was hoping to get the shrub out of office...nm
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Wow - I'm shocked. I guess I was hoping, for your
sake, that you weren't "fully grown" yet - it seems that something has gone terribly awry here in the maturation process.  Not much more to say.
I'm hoping that some in Congress and the Senate

don't let him blindly lead them down that road. We have a national security force now, the National Guard, but of course, they're stuck fighting for our country since the draft was banned.


We need to get back to draft registration like it used to be, then our military will be good and the Guard can stay home and protect us like they're supposed to be doing.


Great! YOU support it. Here's hoping McCain...
gets elected and yanks federal funding for abortions. There are certainly enough of you pro choicers to pay for it. Pro lifers shouldn't have to. Keep sending those checks. See how long Planned Parenthood hawks abortion if they aren't making a killing while they are killing. But, as one of the posters said to me...all of your pro choicers put your money where your mouth is and support the choice financially. Works for me. Send two checks. Send a check every week. Heck, put them in your will. lol.
Not hoping, but AT THIS POINT, WE KNOW OBIE WILL WIN A LANDSLIDE
PARTY
Geez. No. Get a grip. I was sincerely hoping...
that no one ever places you in the position you are placing these babies.


Those are just bones thrown in hoping to pacify

some us who smell something foul.  Charges "can" be filed against him again.  And for now he is "still in custody."  Pretty soon, Gitmo will be closed and they won't have sufficient evidence to refile charges and they will say they have no choice but to release him...


That's my prediction.


Was hoping you were hanging aroud the water cooler.
and of greater importance, this is just yet one more illustration of the judgment deficit that will bring them down in flames. Hat's off to JJ.
Yeah, I am hoping Obama WONT be a disaster.
nm
Yeah, I am hoping Obama WONT be a disaster
See I too can keep repeating like you.
My social security kicks in this April and I am hoping
they have enough left to get me through my life. I am not worried about that basically but I can hardly wait, full retirement age so working, drawing from there- priceless.
Hoping we can save our great country from going down the toilet...sm
and desiring to bring about real CHANGE from a worn out, tired system of doing things, perhaps implementing changes that could save the economy, save the American people who have been hurt by a President who run the country doing "same ole, same ole," watching us crash and burn for someone else to clean up....yes, how DARE anyone run on that platform. The sky if falling, we are all going to sit here and point fingers and cry about it, do nothing or the same things that got us here in the firt place.....now we are going to put down hope and change as a BAD thing because Obama used the words. I guess we will all do nothing and never hope for better.
And I gather that's what you're hoping to happen because you hate Obama.