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Yes, O made it clear he is not president
until January 20. Bush and his team are still in office and running the show until then. Which I already new about too.

I think I made it pretty clear.......sm
I have first-hand knowledge of a letter sent to my pastor stating that the church's tax-exempt status would be revoked if he chose to speak of politics in the pulpit. I don't know how much more proof you need. Folks don't seem to need that much proof in believing Obama's BC is real.

The even more burning question is how would "they" find out if he did preach on politics from the pulpit? Not that he would because he is not prone in that direction, but exactly who is checking out churches to make sure they mind their own business??????

Now you've made yourself clear
Context is only necessary for interpreting your bible; the same courtesy is not extended to the Qur'an.

I guess that makes pretty clear the futility of attempting any type of a reasonable debate with you.

Obama made it very clear to Joe the Plumber....
Were you listening? He explained it very clearly. He was going to tax Joe at a higher rate and give that money to people "below Joe" so "they would have a chance too." That is NOT American, that is socialism. Out of Obama's own mouth. The man is a socialist, and because you refuse to see it or see it and don't care, it does not make it less true.

To use your words...run and hide if you like.

And Michelle Obama has made it clear

that her children come first. From what I've personally seen, I can't imagine those parents allowing ANYTHING or ANYONE to harm their children and that all they want for their children are bright, healthy, prosperous futures -- just like all American parents do.

Yet, some people on this board even want to suggest that getting these girls a PUPPY is something evil with questionable motive. It's just unbelievable!

The purpose was made crystal clear in the post.

It was very clear. Don't know how to make it any clearer.

The only clear posts are the Bush bashes. Go figure. nm
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Let me make something clear.
I am African American. I have never seen Africa. The human race originated on the continent of Africa. Now, what do you consider yourself? You can call yourself whatever you want. We want to be known as African American.

Let's make this a little more clear as well...
Both Obama and Biden voted to fund the bridge to nowhere and then voted to defund it. Who flipped first? biggg LOL.

Well, Howard Dean was governor of Vermont, right? Little old Vermont? Fewer folks than Alaska. His approval rating wasn't that high. He also ran for Presidential nomination. Only having been a governor of a state with population smaller than Alaska's. He is now the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Apparently Democrats only have problems with smaller population governors if they are Republican. That is a belly LOL.

Oh please...cheating? Have you done any research on how Obama had one of his early rivals for office kicked off the ticket so he would not have to run against her? Now THAT is cheating I can believe in. Because that was cheating in politics, not his personal life.

What McCain did in his personal life does not excuse Barack Obama for what he did in his public life. I don't care what either of them does in his personal life...what I care about is what they have done in their public life. McCain certainly keeps better company than Obama does...talk about "uglies." And they are not in the past.

I think we can retire the bridge to nowhere since Obama and Biden were for it before they were against it also. THEY voted with COngress to defund it, so she turned the money to other infrastructure projects that she felt Alaska needed more. Sounds like good judgment to me.

Don't understand the Wild West comment. "Maverick" was a term applied to cattle who refused to run with the herd.

Actually, you are rehashing the same old stuff and accusing her of rehashing old stuff. Does that mean you need a thesaurus also? Just asking.

Let me make myself emphatically clear
I'm not gay either closet or open. I really don't care if you believe that I'm not MT. No skin off my back, but calling someone gay just because they reply to someone's posts is really stretching it and only makes you look odd like you have some gay obssession yourself. No one was calling anyone gay until you arrived today.

Ten commandments make it quite clear
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Let's make one thing crystal clear....
Obama was not "forced" to denounce his preacher of 20 years. He threw him under the bus for political expediency with a lame excuse that in all his 20 years there he never "heard a sermon like that." Frankly I don't believe it and my guess is that Jesse Jackson and the Reverend Wright don't believe it either. He holds the same beliefs Wright does, he just knows if he openly espouses them he will not get elected. Going on the record with a preacher who said "God Da_ America" from the pulpit will not get you elected in this country. So much for supporting your mentor.

Back to Jackson's first gaffe..not an unfortunate slip of the tongue. He said "cut his nu_s off" and made the cutting motion with his wrist. Saw it with my own eyes. That comes from a place of deep dislike, my friend. Jesse Jackson does not like Barack Obama. Why he can't just say so to the man's face and move on is beyond me. And when he used the N word regarding Obama I don't think it was meant in a "nice" way, for that very reason. Freedom of speech, sure. But when you get caught, spin, spin, deny, deny.

Excuse me, but if someone in the pulpit screeches "God Da_ America" at me...and that is mild to some of the things he says...I believe indignation is in order and I will not hesitate to say so...to Wright or Obama or anyone else, exercising MY right of free speech and to disagree. Again...no one forced Obama to do anything. I didn't see a gun to his head. His advisors just told him the truth...distance yourself or you won't get elected. He had a choice and he made one...support his mentor, a man he called a close friend, pastor of 20 years...or get elected. He made his choice. Threw the rev under the bus. But don't kid yourself, friend...in his heart of hearts he does believe the doctrine of that church. THAT is the real Barack Obama. Search the internet and read some of the things Michelle Obama has written. She is on the same page. That is who they are. Certainly their right to do or say what they want. But they should be honest about it. And they are not. Whenever they slip and show what they really are, then they have to backpedal because the advisors are screeching and then come the apologies. Sometimes you just can't keep up the pretense and who you really are comes out. Inevitable. That is why they need the spinmeisters. That is why ALL politicians need the spinmeisters.

I'll try to make this clear for those who don't understand

We don't need people pointing out "similarities" in known terrorists names to candidates who are running for President of the United States. This is not something I like seeing as a topic with the "oh this is freaky" added. This is not freaky and certainly not funny. WE DON'T NEED TO HEAR THIS. I would be equally upset if somebody linked John McCain's name with some horrible and vile person. This is what I would expect to come out of the John McCain camp as an ad trying to connect the two while "innocently" stating "oh I'm not saying that they are alike but it's just freaky".

Sure maybe people do see that (I didn't), but we certainly do not need anyone to be bringing this up. This kind of statement falls right along the lines of the statement that Hillary made when she said that she was staying in the race because "we all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June, right?" Well I guess you could call that freaky too.

To me pointing out something like this whether it's towards Obama or McCain is loathsome and I take great offense to this kind of comment or comparison. It sounds like others did too, so glad to know I'm not the only one.

This also made this issue a political
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Her mother made her political fodder.
You can not tell people what they can and can not discuss here.

didnt try to make this post political
Cronyism is wrong, both repblican and democrat..I re-read my post and no where did I make it political. No matter if you are democrat or republican, cronyism is wrong..A person, especially being considered for a life time position, has to be judged on their merits, not on whom they know.

Trying to make political hay out of this tragic criminal act
Anyone who would carve ANYTHING in human flesh is obviously mentally deranged.

I am sure while you were checking on how many posts I made...
you also noticed that every post I made was in reply to a post made by a liberal poster. That is not domination. And yes, I am certain my main purpose for coming here was to learn other points of view, and why people the way they feel. I cannot know that if I do not ask, and counter.

I made a simple post stating I would respect the request of two posters not to make them *defend* their positions (their words, not mine). And look how quickly I was attacked for that, in a very childish manner. We do not always agree with each other on the conservative board but generally it does not disintegrate into *get out of my sandbox if you don't want to play MY game MY way." The attack on me on the first post was the very definition of trolling, it was baiting and wanting to start a fight. And when attacked, I respond. Simple as that.

I need to apologize for any posts I made tonight

I'm so tired of trying to make a living but betwen the state and federal government taking it all away when we get finally get near the top of things I really, really get nasty sometimes. My grandchildren and great-grandchildren will be paying for what we could not stop; i.e., stimuls, TARP, and everything else coming down the pike, and I don't think any of it is right. I feel our country is down the tubes and there is no getting out of it. I hope I am wrong, but between the state and federal government and what they are creating, they will take, or try to take, everything we all worked hard to achieve. Big Brother has come to the USA even if it did take more than 25 years. You all know this country is going down but what, really, is anyone doing to stop it? Not much, because we are not a unified body, and unless we do band together and try, we are doomed. JMHO

Disclaimer: I will not apoligize for any answers I post because I feel they were not out of line.

and I made that exact statement in several posts -
but, as I also stated, I do not think it would be awful to have mandatory service for this country in some form. Ya'll can get mad all you want to, but the rich benefit just as much as anybody else, but when it comes time to stand up for this country and defend it and keep it, they hide behind their money, their schooling, anything to keep from serving, so therefore only the poor people are ever at risk.

to make myself extremely clear, it looked as if the baby was unconscious, was limp and looked to be
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It will take something other than the baseness and classless posts you make.

You need to make NO apologies - your posts have been insightful - see message
I feel the same way you do. I can tell you how upsetting it is to my patooty off and what do I get for it, I don't get ahead, I get to pay more taxes. I work two jobs because I have to and I have nothing - let me repeat nothing, NADA - left over. In fact sometimes I don't have enough to cover everything.

The country is going down the tubes and what do I see...all the wealthy politicians on the talk shows on TV and they all talk with sh-eating grins on their faces as though this is a big joke for them. They have little respect for people like us.

So don't you apologize for any posts you made or any answers you post to others messages. We're all feeling just like you do.

Sick sick sick of it all.

Yes, there were and I moderate these forums. If you have a problem

you need to take it up with the Administrator. You can email admin@forumatrix.com

Posts were removed due to the nastiness. Play nice and posts won't get deleted.

I saw the posts for myself, no one "ran" to me. Note that all boards were reviewed for inappropriate posts.

Sorry, CJ...it is not as clear to me as it is to you..
that John McCain wants to continue fighting anywhere. What John McCain understands is that you cannot reason with some people (including terrorists) because they have no interest in getting along. That is not their agenda. They want us dead and our way of life dead. That is not going to change by sitting down and talking to them.

Seriously, I believe that all the things that enable a person to endure such torture over an extended period of time builds character and traits that are essential to leadership. So if you put 5 years in a prison camp up next to 4 years as a senator (2 of those at state level) where you voted present when you voted...then yes. I think 5 years in a prison camp plus serving as a military officer and commanding hundreds of soldiers makes him more qualified than Obama on the face of it...at the very least, AS qualified. And, at the very least, it demonstrates to me that John McCain puts his country first, even before himself. And to me, friend, that speaks volumes.

Obviously I was not clear enough either...
you could always ask where someone stands on a ban on gay marriage without asking how they VOTED on an issue.

I have not seen that many people on this board who were really invested in gay marriage.

If you're not gay and you don't live there...not sure why it matters to you so much? What anyone thinks?

Oh no, you have been quite clear,

and throughout this discussion you have been very cordial (I do apologize for the momentary snapishness in my last post.) Nor in your most recent post did you sink to the level of saying 'I will type slower - or use smaller words - so you can understand.' However, when someone tells me that my argument lacks merit because I do not truly understand the problem or have not thought the implications through, it brings out a bit of bitchiness in me. It is the same reaction I have when I read posts on this board saying that those who listen to Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., are being manipulated and not thinking for ourselves. (I actually consider myself a conservative, strangely enough.)

I think you do see and maybe even understand my point, as I see and feel I get where you are coming from. We see, but will have to agree to disagree.

I do not pretend that legalizing marijuana will make the world a better place, only that it will make our laws more consistent. The legality of alcohol and tobacco while marijuana remains illegal is very inconsistent. And I think the bottle no longer contains that particular genie (if it ever did). The criminalization of such behavior creates small criminals and enriches bigger criminals.

You say 'I wish no one took any mind-altering substances of any kind.' Does this mean you are a teetotaler and not somebody who enjoys a brewski on a summer day after mowing the lawn, maybe a glass of wine with dinner, as I do?

I think kids hear their government, teachers and parents painting marijuana as the 'demon killer weed' which opens the floodgates to all other substance abuse. Smoke a joint, die with a needle in your arm. Then they watch those same adults drink legal alcohol, smoke legal cigarettes, overuse prescription drugs and they see the entire thing as yet another example of extreme phoniness.

Maybe some people will try legalized marijuana who never did when it was illegal. Maybe, deprived of its mystique and the element of rebellion, fewer kids will need to act out in that particular way. If alcohol were illegal for everyone and their parents were committing a criminal act just to obtain it (which you know they would do) would fewer or more teenagers use it? If a kid walking into a 'speakeasy' were no more or less illegal than his parents doing it, what would be the result? Interesting question.

And now I am going to offer you something a woman seldom does - the last word. The final post can be yours. I've said my piece.

So clear this up for me
The man who rapes and kills a young child, but truly believes in Jesus, acknowledges that what he did was wrong and a violation of both God's law and man's law...this man gets into heaven. The Jewish man, who spent his life working hard, raising his family to be wonderful human beings, donated regularly to the American Heart Association, and volunteered his time in an inner city school in a literacy program...he is doomed?

And I refer to myself as a heathen because I believe that it is my character and the life I have lived here that will determine my entrance to heaven, not my belief in Jesus's death and resurrection. Of course, maybe I'm just pragmatic. Just in case the Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or even the Native Americans have it right, I'd like to think I've still got a chance at getting past St. Peter or whoever their respective gatekepper is.

If it is all clear cut that
Pelosi told the truth and the CIA is, in fact, lying....why not just let the investigation go on so the dems could tell the GOP to stick it and prove once and for all who was involved and who is lying, etc. If Pelosi is telling the truth, which I highly doubt, there should be no reason to avoid an investigation.

Oh, I red you loud and clear

and "red" was not a spelling error. Strong arming anyone into producing anything for the government is like pre and post WWII Soviet Union....you got it right when you said red and I'm not referring red state conservatives either.

Many (not all) think you have all the answers, but when it turns to action you are ready to guilt and strong arm SOMEONE ELSE to do the work.

Yep...clear....said talking to me was
like talking to your mother who had a personality disorder. Bashing me and using your mother's illness to do it. Not many ways you can take it. YOU said it. YOU brought it up. This is YOUR can of worms.

I would like to clear up perhaps some confusion.....

About "socialized" medicine. What most of you may not know is that we already have socialized medicine. That is what Medicade and Medicare is (which is financially driven by insurance companies for insurance companies tell the government what they will pay. In essense, the insurance companies are setting the bar). Most countries have some sort of socialized medicine. Canada has what is referred to as single-pay medicine, which is soley funded by the government. Those opposed to single-pay medicine here in the US are the ones stating that it does not work. However, those who have it in Canada and Britain for the most part are not complaining. Of course, you can't please everyone.

For every $50,000 in income that you make about $10,000 of your tax dollars (equal to what is allocated for defense) is going toward healthcare. Add that along with roughly the $10,000 dollars that most companies pay for your insurance, that's quite a chunk of change. But you say, well the company is paying for it, not me. But that is wrong as well, if the companies whom we work for did not have to provide medical insurance for us, there would be higher wages.

So, for someone like me, a healthy 40 something :o), who spends about $1000 dollars a year in preventative health maintenance, why am I paying $20,000, which I might add that for any catastrophic healthcare issue should occur, I would still be desitute from the financial responsibility of picking up where my insurance company falls short? If this is not an argument for healthcare reform.....

Healthcare in the US is the hands of insurance companies, where I don't believe it should be. So for those of you opposed to socialized or single-pay medicine, you are already paying for it, why not make it function better and pull it out of the hands of the fat-cat insurance companies?

Let me be perfectly clear about what I said.

Since the poster above seems to think he/she can put words in my mouth, I will tell you exactly what I said.

I fully expect all posters to be respectful and not put down the President (current or past) or anyone else for that matter. I don't care if they're Liberal, Conservative, or polka dotted.

On the forum, you will be respectful in posting or you won't be allowed to post.

Think you can handle that? If you can't, don't post. It's just that simple.

The difference is clear.
No one is saying it's all 'we people' have to worry about. But it does give us a glance in to O's morals. Win at all cost. No matter who he has to betray in the process. Doesn't that concern you at all?

And I fail to see your correlation between Obama exploiting a bracelet he was not asked specifically NOT to, and McCain choosing a woman as his running mate. If Clinton had been O's running mate, what would your argument be then?

And I beg you to do a bit more research on exactly what O is proposing to do to the middle class. Just because someone tells you something, it doesn't mean you should believe it without checking the facts, especially from a man running for president.

It reminds me of grade school class president elections. There was always that 'popular kid' who didn't know jack but got everybody to vote for him by promising longer lunch periods and movies on friday and free pop in the lunch room. The difference is, we're not twelve anymore.

Forgive me for not being clear enough for you (sm)
I guess the simplified question for you would be -- why bring religion into a post that had nothing to do with religion?

I think it is perfectly clear

how things will go with regards to Obama. As evident by this board, I think it is very obvious that some people may hold back their "judgments" or concerns about Barrack Obama for the simple fact that any criticism aimed at the president thus far is construed as racism. How dare we criticize what he does, his agenda, etc. because he is the first mixed race president.

I also think that he will be judged less harshly because the liberal media will not cover things fairly. They will continue to portray Barrack Obama as the savior/rock star.

When this stimulus package fails to stimulate the economy and when our economy is still suffering at the end of his term, we will see how fairly he will be judged. Until then, he is getting a free pass by the liberal media and people too eager to throw out the race card or people who are too afraid to criticize for fear of being called racist.

Oh, I get it alright and it's becoming more clear by
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NOBODY can make Saddam look good. But Bush seems to be the ONLY one who can make him look less

If you can't make abortion illegal, just make it impossible (sm)

That's right, Bush is still alive and well. Check this out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28024676

Yeah, I know it's MSNBC, but how many other people are doing a lame duck watch?

It's perfectly clear to me what the context was, so if it's above you, then
x

Does anyone else see a clear and present danger?
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Your comments were straightforward and clear.
I hope anyone reading this will go back and look at the post I quoted from, as well as all your other posts and form their own impressions.

This is one case where the Repubs are in the clear...
this is a Dem mess. Lay it right at the feet of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and the dems who blocked reform on Fannie/Freddie at least 2 times when Alan Greenspan, John Snow, John McCain and the Bush admin telling them this exact thing was going to happen. It is all on video. I would cut them a modicum of slack if they at least admitted it, but oh no...it's all the republicans fault. Geez! How anyone could vote for ANY Democrat this round is beyond me. If I was a Democrat I wouldn't be voting for them either. At least 92 of them are worried about their jobs because the people are so PO'ed about it...they voted against it. And had Pelosi not come out BEFORE the vote tearing the hide of republicans in strips and blaming them for it yet again...she messed in her own nest. A bunch of Republicans weren't going to vote for it anyway, but the ones who would have didn't.

go to real clear politics
they have all the polls.

That should be a clear cut indication of what Americans
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Let our leaders hear us loud and clear
Reading all the posts it seems like everyone agrees on the same thing. None of us likes either candidate. What I'm reading a lot of is "I'm democrat so I'm voting democrat no matter what" or "I'm republican so I'm voting republican no matter what". The country has developed over the years into believing our vote counts. Whether you want to believe it or not, it doesn't. The country has been run not by who the people want elected but by big government and big corporations. People who have thousands and thousands of dollars to spend (if not millions) donate that money to ensure who they want to be elected is elected. Also, do some research on the "mysterious group" that meets each year yet the public is not allowed to be in those meetings and there are armed guards enforcing that. Those are the people who decide the fate of the country. Just the way it is and I accepted it a long time ago. If Americans truly did have a say in what goes on with our politicians we would see more and more of them fired, but they aren't. They still remain in office. I say let our leaders hear us loud and clear. We are against both candidates. If voting dropped or nobody went to vote I think they'd get the message loud and clear that we are disatisfied.

Obama issues clear laid out at DNC.
Especially silent on that family values, sex education, abstinence taboo brick wall they are trying to throw up.

The vindictive, mean part came thru loud & clear when she
That smugness reflects the repub's view of themselves, that they are better than everyone else. Gets kinda old, after just an hour or two. After 8 years it's downright repugnant. No wonder the rest of the world hates us.