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I'm feeling safer and securer. I don't know about you...JOKE! --NM

Posted By: Democrat on 2005-09-30
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Here's how much safer
Do the math. If they hated us before, they sure as he** hate us MORE now. It's the foreign policy, stupid! Oh, and wasn't it BUSH who vowed to get Osama *dead or alive* but then later said he didn't *think about him much*??????

The graphs and links don't carry over in the copy and paste, but you can read those at his blog: http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/

When George W. Bush made a prime-time television appearance Monday night to give a political speech -- under the guise of commemorating the five-year anniversary of September 11 -- he started right off by telling both a lie and the truth in one short sentence.

Today, we are safer, but we are not yet safe, said Bush, which means he was batting .500 with the truth in just one short statement. Not bad for him. It is undeniably true that we are not yet safe, but to imply that we are safer than we were before Bush turned the world against us is demonstrably false.

And Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) sketched out the only numbers needed to confirm that Bush's war on terror is not only going very badly, but has gotten much, much worse on his watch.

Osama bin Laden is still on the loose. Al-Qaeda's membership, estimated at 20,000 on 9/11, is now estimated by our intelligence agencies at 50,000. Instead of shrinking and disappearing, they are growing geometrically, said Durbin on the Senate floor Tuesday, in describing how unsafe Republicans have made America.

Now there's a number we want to talk a lot about between now and the midterm elections, as Republicans beat their chests and say how safe they've kept Americans.

And Durbin's numbers check out. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, U.S. intelligence estimates put the total number of fighters who underwent instruction at bin Laden-supported camps in Afghanistan from 1996 through 9/11 at 10,000 to 20,000.

And recent research by the nonprofit, nonpartisan Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism, funded by the Department of Homeland Security and other government grants, says that the number of Al-Qaeda has jumped from the 20,000 reported by the 9/11 Commission a few years ago to 50,000 today.

This is an astonishing and disturbing number given that these are the people our own government said attacked us on September 11 -- and there's a hell of a lot more of them now.

Durbin also responded to charges by Rick Santorum (R-PA) that floor-statements made by Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) about Iraq were damaging and purely political in nature, by citing a report released Monday from the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) entitled Stabilizing Iraq: An Assessment of the Security Situation.

The GAO published a graph yesterday. The number of attacks rose from around 100 in May of 2003 to roughly 4,500 in July of 2006, said Durbin. Is it political or partisan to note the obvious, the GAO report to which Senator Reid made reference? That is not political partisanship; that is a reality, and we should face that reality because Iraq does continue to slip into civil war despite the billions that we have spent and the thousands of American lives which have been lost in that battle.

And here is the chart from the GAO report:

Since June 2003, the overall security conditions in Iraq have deteriorated and grown more complex, as evidenced by increasing numbers of attacks and Sunni/Shi'a sectarian strife, said the GAO report.

The report continues:

Enemy-initiated attacks against the coalition and its Iraqi partners have continued to increase through July 2006. Since 2003, enemy-initiated attacks have increased around major religious or political events, including Ramadan and elections...

Overall, attacks increased by 23 percent from 2004 to 2005. After declining in the fall of 2005, the number of attacks rose to the highest level ever in July 2006. Total attacks reported from January 2006 through July 2006 were about 57 percent higher than the total reported during the same period in 2005. These data show significant increases in attacks against coalition forces, who remain the primary targets, as well as civilians and Iraqi security forces.

The GAO ended the report with some damning questions for the Republican-controlled Congress -- questions that will undoubtedly be met with deafening silence until the scheduled October 6 adjournment, including:

* What are the key political, economic, and security conditions that must be achieved before U.S. forces can draw down and ultimately withdraw from Iraq? What target dates, if any, has the administration established for drawing down U.S. forces?

* Why have security conditions continued to deteriorate in Iraq even as the country has met political milestones, increased the number of trained and equipped security forces, and increasingly assumed the lead for security?

* If existing U.S. political, economic, and security measures are not reducing violence in Iraq, what additional measures, if any, will the administration propose for stemming the violence?

I guess, using Republican parlance, the General Accountability Office must hate America too.

Durbin, the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate, wrapped up by pointing out that, after a brief period of focus and success in Afghanistan following the start of that war in October 2001, things have been going downhill ever since and the Taliban is once again making a major bid to control the country.

There is another reality, said Durbin. The Taliban is gaining ground again in Afghanistan. They have set up shop in Pakistan where that Government has agreed to have a safe haven for some of these terrorist forces. That is unfortunate, and it is disastrous when you think of our long-term war on terrorism.

Bush seems to disagree with that assessment, saying on March 16, 2006, We have joined with the Afghan people to bring down the Taliban regime -- the protectors of the Al-Qaeda network -- and aided a new, democratic government to rise in its place.

I suppose there may be a way to squeeze some truth out of that statement, but the Administration will never acknowledge that, on their contrived, tough-on-terror watch, things have quietly been going to hell in a hand basket in Afghanistan, with Taliban attacks and suicide bombings way up in the last two years.


And, even if we accept the White House's ongoing claim that Iraq, and not Afghanistan, is the central front in the war on terror, the daily Iraqi death toll, our own dead and wounded and the recent revelation that U.S. forces may have lost control of Anbar province to the insurgents, tells just how badly Bush is doing there as well. Not to mention that as far back as mid-2005, even Bush's fellow Republicans were convinced that the Administration's rosy outlook was a load of BS.

Things aren't getting better; they're getting worse, said Nebraska's Republican Senator, Chuck Hagel, a Vietnam Veteran, in June 2005. The White House is completely disconnected from reality... The reality is that we are losing in Iraq.

Throw all of that together with threats from Iran and North Korea -- that the White House seems to have no ability or willingness to engage -- and an overextended, worn-out military, and you get quite a bowl of weak mush served up by the guys continuing to brag about how safe they'll keep us.

So, to recap, every Congressional candidate needs to say this over and over again in the next eight weeks:

* A 150 percent increase in the number of Al-Qaeda members in the world while we're focused on a civil war in Iraq
* Attacks on U.S. troops, Iraqi forces and civilians are skyrocketing, despite assurances from the White House that things are going just fine in Iraq
* Our neglected troops in Afghanistan are facing a 1,200 percent increase in Taliban attacks and a 600 percent jump in suicide bombings.

And then repeat again and again and again until November 7.

Oh, and one more thing: Where the hell is Osama bin Laden?
My job is probably safer than yours
At least I CAN spell.

Deregulation may be the topic, but in your dozen or so posts already this morning you've shown yourself to be unable to wrap your mind around the man's name.

I wonder which war is globally safer:
Iraq or Iran.  We don't have enough troops to fight both, and if he brings home troops from Iraq, he will only send them to Iran next.  A nuclear war could mean the extinction of mankind, which I'm beginning to think he and his most radical religious followers want, in order to fulfill the prophecy of the Rapture.  Life is getting more frightening every day.  I don't recognize my America any more. 
Again, if we are so much safer, why did the 9/11 commission give him a failing grade?
You can't answer that either. Despite any connection between Iraq and 9/11, Bush and Co. (on fake intelligence) has stirred up an incredibly dangerous hornet's nest, yet you think everything is great. Why don't we just hand Iraq to Iran on a silver platter and just be done with it?
Why subject the rape victim to a surgical abortion. Birth is safer. nm
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Just my feeling
To the republicans that have posted today on the liberal board..I enjoyed reading your posts..They were thought-worthy and kind of telling a bit about the posters.  I hope and wish we can keep this board as an insightful debating board..Cause, let me tell ya, the bickering and anger, displayed from both sides, just kills me..it upsets me so..You have my word, I will try my best and If I stray into nastiness, both liberals and republicans, please call me on it..
I know the feeling..its like we are
in a paralel universe to America (like in Mirror Mirror for you old Star Trek fans:) Its scary. I keep waiting to hear Rod Serling say something about the Twilight Zone..and it just gets worse all the time.
I had a feeling you did......sm
so I gave you a little nudge....was pretty sure you wouldn't be keen on that one....

:-)

feeling better?
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Bad feeling?
Well then by all means put another "cowboy" only this time a Military Cowboy in the white house and see what that does not bring.  Maybe if someone would sit down and talk to our enemies instead of throwing bombs on them we could actually get something done in our own country.  I don't like McCain's attitude, reminds me of my grandmother - look at them, decide you don't like them and walk away.  It is time to put differences aside and come together - whether he is a smooth talker or not, at least people are talking.
Wow, feeling a bit touchy are we? After all...
Excuuuuuze me for asking.
My main feeling is that we are
somehow purposely being herded through a squeeze shoot - by the time we have lost our jobs and insurance, we will be more than happy to accept socialism. none of this bail out is going to trickle down this far; in fact, we are the source of money with our pennies and dimes so they can have bonuses and vacations. When I got laid off last year, it was the first time in over 21 years that I had thanksgiving, christmas and new year's off. Reliant Energy in Houston is for sell. UTMB Hospital in Galveston just laid of 3800, they are the largest employer in this county. Everybody can't be bailed out. Buckle up, everybody.
Ask Mrs. Bridger.....I have a feeling she knows; that's why
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I have the cure for your feeling.
If my posts make you uncomfortable, by all means don't read 'em.

Guy goes to the doctor and says "Doc, ya gotta help me. It hurts when I do this". Doctor says "Well then, don't do that!"

Get it?


Far be it from me to talk you out of your feeling of unfairness. sm
However, posts have been deleted on both boards.  There are two specific posters who are targeted by the liberals repeatedly (and you quoted one here).  Besides, liberals are sissies. This whole thing is like holding your breath until you turn blue because you can't have your way!  How do you exist in other political forums.  Most of the ones I frequent would laugh me off the board.  My last post here. This is just beating a dead horse.
Trust your instincts, know the feeling.sm
Even scarier, some people (sheep) will believe this.
So, ho wlong have you been feeling this hostile
some might conclude that the candidate with a double-digit lead would be the stronger of the two, but that logic evidently escapes you.
I just get the sick feeling in my stomach
that we are screwed either way. Neither of them have the answer. I don't care for either of their plans. All I have left to go on is which of their morals line up more with mine, and that's Mccain/Palin. I have tried to find the "hope" in Obama's plan, but the fact that the first thing he will do is sign the right to choose act when he becomes president just doesn't sit well with me. I just can't vote for him knowing he will do that. It goes against everything my faith stands for. Blast me all you want, but I am a Christian first, American second.

If we could just mush them together we might have a good candidate! We need the bionic man doctor....
I have a feeling that his plane is leased and when...sm
the campaign is over he will have no need of it for he will be flying in Air Force One. You are right about his income though. His Senate salary is miniscule when compared to the royalties from his books.
By me too - glad you're feeling better!
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I have a feeling they just want their 15 minutes of fame.

Lately, people will do anything to get their own "15 minutes of fame." That's why you have so many reality shows.


I think it's all despicable and they should not have shown that on TV. Now every other "15 minute" famer will do something on the same order to see if they can get in the newspapers or on TV. Watch and see. There's still 6 days left.


Obama gives me a bad feeling, like he's a scheister,
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I had a feeling he would talk to McCain.... sm
I think he has a lot of respect for McCain.
My, my. Feeling a little grumpy this morning?
Hope your petty snipes make you feel better.
Sheehan Feeling the Glare of the Spotlight

Some Are Focusing Anger on Protester



By Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 17, 2005; Page A03



CRAWFORD, Tex., Aug. 16 -- Cindy Sheehan rode into town 10 days ago, a forlorn mother with a question for her president: Why did my son die in Iraq?


But now the same wave of publicity and political anger that she rode to become a nationally known symbol of the antiwar movement threatens to crash down on Sheehan herself.







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Cindy
Cindy Sheehan hugs a supporter at her protest site in Crawford, Tex. Conservatives have criticized her, and she says some sympathetic groups have agendas she does not share. (By Jason Reed -- Reuters)



Conservative commentators and Web sites are taking aim at Sheehan with the same ferocity she has aimed at President Bush. In part, they are using her own words against her -- reciting such controversial comments as her vow to refuse to pay taxes to a government waging an "illegal" war and her desire to see Bush impeached.


The backlash is becoming a new object lesson in how saturation media coverage and the instinct for personal attack are shaping political debate. Some independent commentators said the pushback on the right has succeeded at scuffing the public sympathy and deference she had earned as the mother of a fallen soldier, and has shown how virtually any subject relating to the Iraq war and Bush's presidency is viewed through a partisan lens.


"Cindy Sheehan has emboldened the progressives who oppose the war and caused the conservative diehards who are behind the war to go into a defensive mode," said Michael Harrison, publisher of Talkers magazine, a trade publication for talk radio. "Cindy Sheehan is going to be a target, and they'll probably go through her past to find what they can to discredit her."


Since her son, Casey, 24, was killed in Iraq last year, Sheehan, of Vacaville, Calif., has traveled the country trying to drum up opposition to the war in Iraq. She has participated in peace conferences, demonstrations and a mock congressional hearing about the "Downing Street memo" -- notes of a meeting with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his top advisers that said the Bush administration had decided to go to war and molded intelligence findings to support that decision.


In that time, Sheehan, 48, a soft-spoken woman who says she was radicalized by her son's death, has engaged in her fair share of inflammatory rhetoric.


"It's obvious Cindy Sheehan has become a political player, whose primary concern is embarrassing the president," Fox Television personality Bill O'Reilly wrote Tuesday in an online column. "She is no longer just a protester."


Bush, Sheehan said, lied to the American people about the war and should be impeached. She is refusing to pay taxes in hopes that the Internal Revenue Service will come after her to collect. "I'm not supporting a government that wages an illegal, immoral war," she said. "I want them to come after me, so I can put the war on trial."


Still, she said some of the statements attributed to her are distortions. Contrary to a letter attributed to her that is circulating widely on the Internet, she asserts that she has never said that the United States is waging the war in Iraq to protect Israel.


"I have said a lot of strong things, and I'll stand by everything I said," Sheehan said, adding that she thought the document had been altered. "But I didn't say that."


The scrutiny that has accompanied Sheehan's quick rise to prominence has extended to her family. Several in-laws have publicly criticized her protest -- announcing their displeasure in a release to the Drudge Report. News that Sheehan's husband, Patrick, has filed for divorce has been trumpeted by some bloggers as evidence of her extreme views.

Sheehan acknowledges that some of her views are becoming a distraction. Also, she said, some groups that have aided her protest have agendas -- including conspiracy theories about the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and some vaguely anti-Semitic theories about the cause of the war -- that she says she does not share.

Consequently, she has asked that her campsite near Bush's ranch be restricted only to organizations of military families, or those who have lost loved ones in the war.







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"Attention got focused on the messenger and not the message," Sheehan said. "My thing is ending the war in Iraq. But there are a lot of people who want to attach their horse to my wagon, because of the exposure I'm getting."


The increased scrutiny of Sheehan is coming as some residents here are growing irritated with the stream of antiwar protesters drawn to her vigil.


On Tuesday, a spokeswoman for Sheehan announced plans to move the camp from the drainage ditches next to the winding road about two miles from Bush's 1,600-acre spread to a field on a ranch offered by one of Bush's neighbors. The new camp would be about a mile from the president's ranch. All that would be left behind at the original site would be three tents and hundreds of white wooden crosses bearing the names of troops killed in Iraq.


The move followed complaints by about 60 of Bush's neighbors, who petitioned McLennan County officials to expand a no-parking zone around the camp, in an effort to avert the traffic tie-ups that have become commonplace as the protest has grown. Also, Monday night a truck dragging chains and a pipe demolished some crosses; the driver, Larry Northern, 46, of Waco, Tex., was charged with criminal mischief.


Sheehan has promised to remain encamped throughout Bush's five-week stay here and to return whenever the president does. She also announced plans for a series of nearly 1,000 candlelight vigils Wednesday night across the country. Liberal advocacy groups MoveOn.org Political Action and Democracy for America are organizing the protests.


"All of this other BS just clouds my message," Sheehan said. "My message is that of a brokenhearted mom sitting down in front of George Bush's ranch, wanting to know why my son died."


Ever get the feeling this is a proxy war between Bush and Iran?

Bush sent weapons to Israel.  Iran sent weapons to Hezbollah.  Bush must have figured that Americans wouldn't tolerate any more of his wars, so we're fighting Iran through Hezbollah via Israel.  Reminds me of a chess game.  I think this is the fault of Papa Bush.  He should have given Georgie more GI Joes to play with as a kid.


Now that there is an agreed cease fire, Israel is stepping up the offensive.  (Any surprises here?)  I wonder how many more innocent people they will kill in Lebanon - including Christians - and how much more of Lebanon's infrastructure they will destroy before they finally cease their fire.


I have a feeling that Ditzy is emptyjoy from last night?
for some reason Ditzel sounds a lot like mtjoy... just saying nothing but insults
I have the same feeling. I hear the background noise already nm
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What about feeling the baby move inside your body? sm
So the baby I felt moving in my tummy at 20 weeks gestation wasn't alive?
See message about spelling and superiority feeling inside sm
I do feel superior now when it comes to spelling and grammatical skills Shelly/Kendra. I also feel superior that my candidate won, while all along you two were saying he wouldn't. I feel very smart, very smart indeed. Good night MTs.
Your mistaking feeling duped/foolish with hatred
They are two totally different things. I really really really do not hate the guy. I voted for him in the primaries. We were on the phone battling with our families cos they were for Clinton and we were trying to tell them about the Os plans, issues, etc.

We like that the O is a nice looking man, has a nice looking family, has a good strong voice when giving speeches, is physically fit (minus his smoking and possible cancer that lies ahead for him) and especially glad he will not be throwing any "rodeos" for foreign diplomats that come to our country.

However, once he was elected over Clinton the truth started coming out and we felt like quite the fools for buying into his lies. And now his lies are just blatantly out there and he doesn't care if people know he's lying. Our only ignorance was blindly buying into his bull without doing more research on him. The O worshippers/lovers who are cutting down people who have any question about his acquantances, history, citizenship, etc are the ones who are showing their true ignorance. My DH tells me all the time read everything and do not count on one source for information. They have an agenda. Knowledge is what will free the mind.
Umph, umph, umph... I feel safer already...nm

You are such a joke, gt. sm
You think there is only one patriot here?  Get a trip on your sour shrivled heart and try not to speak.
what a joke
You truly are a JOKE, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL..a joke.  I live in reality and deal with reality..you, however, through YOUR posts have proven you are nothing but a joke.bye bye neocon..
LOL..JOKE!



Joke

MUJIBAR 


 
Mujibar was trying to get a job in India. 
The Personnel Manager said, Mujibar, you have passed all the tests, 
Except one. Unless you pass it you cannot qualify for this job. 
Mujibar said, I am ready. 
The manager said, Make a sentence using the words Yellow, Pink and Green.
Mujibar thought for a few minutes and said, Mister manager, I am ready. 
The manager said, Go ahead. 
Mujibar said, The  telephone goes green, green, green, and I pink it up, and say, 'Yellow, this is Mujibar.'
Mujibar now works as a technician at a call center for computer problems. 
No doubt you have spoken to him.


Actually the joke is on us all...sm

First, yes there are terrorist.  They attacked us on 9-11.  The joke started with the trumped up war against Iraq.  That mind you went from a war because of WMD, then a war to rid the world of a brutal dictator, then Operation Iraqi freedom, and now finally operation quagmire. 


Ask yourself a couple questions ever so often and see if you still can laugh. *Did Al Quaeda reside in Iraq BEFORE the war????* Or even *Was Iraq a hot bed for terrorist BEFORE the war????* 


The issue of the port protection is a different story.  I think it would be in America's best interest to develop a US based security company or team.  We should not be depending on *outsourced* protection.  That's downright sloppy to me.  I wouldn't care what country it was. 


 


Is that a joke?
Because it sounds like the answer to the war on terror to me. 
Okay, now for a joke.
Rush *Limp*baugh blames liberals because Americans are fat. Huh?....talk about intellectually confused. http://mediamatters.org/items/20060829013
joke joke joke

Obama is chocolate, biden is vanilla.  It never works when you have to explain your jokes.  Mea culpa.


 


Oh come on - it's a joke! Do you truly believe everything
???
some joke-
NOT. What an awful thing to say, that that death would be a joke to anyone. Rights - what about responsibilities, like the responsibility to use some form of contraception other than abortion? I know you will come back with the rape, incest, endangered health of mother, and those are valid. But reality is that a large percentage of abortions are not performed for those reasons but for the "convenience" of the mother. And being that irresponsible is not a "right."
Because she's a joke.

What a joke........
May I suggest you go to their country and see how peaceful they live with you? So many try to defend something they haven't bother to study.

The holiest book of Islam draws the sharpest of distinctions between Muslims and non-Muslims, lavishing praise on the former while condemning the latter. Far from teaching universal love, the Qur'an incessantly preaches the inferiority of non-Muslims, even comparing them to vile animals and gloating over Allah's hatred of them and his dark plans for their eternal torture. Naturally, the harsh treatment of non-believers by Muslims is encouraged as well.

Does that sound like a loving tolerant people to you?
This has got to be a JOKE!!!

Of all the nerve!!  I think this person needs to be banned from this site, as obviously this person is not in the MT field and just spreading a bunch of garbage to rile people up.


No, you did not mean it as a joke.
What's your problem. Is the pressure getting to you? Then stay off this board.
It's hot in here.
can't even take a joke
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I have seen this joke before...
All you have to do is replace Obama with Bush and you have the same joke.
Just a joke...(sm)

From an episode of Seinfeld.....I need one at my house too...LOL


Also see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQFLqMyo0fo


Festivus is an annual holiday created by writer Dan O'Keefe and introduced into popular culture by his son Daniel, a scriptwriter for the TV show Seinfeld.[1][2] Although the original Festivus took place in February 1966 as a celebration of O'Keefe's first date with his wife, Deborah,[2] many people now celebrate the holiday on December 23, as depicted on the December 18, 1997 Seinfeld episode "The Strike".[1][3] According to O'Keefe, the name Festivus "just popped into his head."[2] The holiday includes novel practices such as the "Airing of Grievances", in which each person tells everyone else all the ways they have disappointed him or her over the past year. Also, after the Festivus meal, the "Feats of Strength" are performed, involving wrestling the head of the household to the floor, with the holiday only ending if the head of the household is actually pinned. These conventions originated with the TV episode. The original holiday featured far more peculiar practices, as detailed in the younger Daniel O'Keefe's book The Real Festivus, which provides a first-person account of an early version of the Festivus holiday as celebrated by the O'Keefe family, and how O'Keefe amended or replaced details of his father's invention to create the Seinfeld episode.[4]


It was a JOKE... nm
Read the full story rather than taking and posting remarks out of context to further your own agenda.
What a joke!
Your post doesn't even deserve a response.