My vote is based on issues, -include character.nm
Posted By: Independent on 2008-09-08
In Reply to: Please don't base your decision on who you vote...sm - oldtimer
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Based on what? Genitalia over issues?
She is not exactly champion of feminist issues. Not to worry. We're better than that. She's no Hillary and most of her supporters will not hesitate to point that out.
Do you vote strictly based on what your
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No, we vote on issues....
not on blind big "O" devotion. But would not expect you to understand that...lol.
I am plenty old to vote, study all the issues, as well
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Fact Based or Faith Based Policies...sm
Click watch video in the link.
Most impressive statement is how the Bush administration has gotten away from fact based policy making.
Issues people, issues. I need issues
I'm not seeing any discussion about issues. Can we stick to the issues. Jeeze - I want to hear good and bad about both candidates but with facts to back whatever is being said.
P-L-E-A-S-E.....I want issues. How can I make any kind of determinatons about who I'm going to vote for if I don't hear about the issues. Reading some of this I'm thinking I'd get more truth if I read the National Enquirer.
That does not include
car companies bailout which obviously they cannot bail them out now after reading this. It DOES include though CEO and board of directors bonuses. I believe not only a Great Depression coming, but even worse than that.
Will this include the dems who
were all for this stuff or at least knew about it and said nothing or will this strictly be a continued witch hunt on Bush and Cheney? If you want revenge on the pubs, I personally feel that the dems who knew and/or were for it should be held accountable as well. If Bush and Cheney go down, they all should.
did they include PUMA in that poll among...
Democratic women? And there are a lot of men in PUMA too. I have seen as many male members as female ones being interviewed...and they are still not happy. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. All of those 18 million disgruntled Hillary voters are NOT women.
Why is it that McCain supporters include
Do you know how much credibility you lose each time you pass such trash along? I will not use my time citing passage after passage from the Quran to expose your ignorance. If you care anything at all about being taken seriously, you will take a little time to actually read the Quran, which is a Holy Book, before you trash it. When you do thi, you make Christians look really ugly.
Any poll can and will include "illegals"
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do those boring posters include you too?
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Team McCain should include any and all who
proliferating these messages. From our own forum, we can see that there are plenty of nationalist nut jobs, rabid racists and pious patriots out there who are not able to make the connection between hate speech, violence and assassinations. This can only lead us into the necessity for swift, tight and hopefully harsh enforcement of hate crimes in the future. I hope they make tougher laws regarding hate speech along the way.
Excuse me, but you will not dictate whether or not I include articles in my post.
I post articles here in order to encourage a debate about the articles. In your limited Israel-is-always-right-and-anyone-who-questions-that-is-worthy-of-a-rabid-attack attitude, you can't see that and once again wish to control everything, even how people communicate with each other.
All you want to do is tear down, not build anything. I gave my reasons for posting this article. In those reasons I expressed some skepticism about Hezbollah's sincerity. Instead of offering an intelligent response to those reasons, you once again slammed the door of dialogue and showed that your abilities to communicate are so limited that all you can do is berate and insult. To call me anti-American only highlights your ignorance. I am absolutely pro-American, and I'm very fearful where President Bush is leading us. It's the duty of every American to question what he or she sees as failures or inadequacies in the administration that is in power regardless of party affiliation. I felt the same way during the Clinton administration, and I feel the same way now.
If I were to come on here and say that Hezbollah is rebuilding Lebanon and now the Bush administration wants to compete with them, I would get responses that demand I provide my source, and rightly so. That is the reason I post the entire article itself. I want to gauge if it brings the same questions to the minds of other (repeat once again) LIBERALS as it does to me.
You're free to have your opinion of me, but you come off as pompous and controlling, demanding that everyone bow down and kiss Israel's feet. The mere suggestion that Israel may be even slightly wrong elicits anger and rage from you, and you have shown that repeatedly.
No, you are not obligated to engage in debate with anyone here, but don't whine and complain that you're unable to when someone offers you the opportunity. Your failure to do so when invited only proves how angry and full of rage you are.
For the record, I have never said you were sent to shut down the board. It's laughable to even imagine you have the power to do that. You are no more important or influential than I am or than any other poster on this board is. Get over yourself already.
And, no, I have no idea which sentence of the original article you find disturbing. I personally found several of them disturbing, but I refuse to engage in any guessing games with you.
Am I paranoid? I sure am these days. I'm pro-peace and I'm living in a country run by a President who is trigger happy and who has done nothing but incite the world.
If looking at Israel objectively is anti-Israel according to your definition, then so be it. You said previously on this board that just because Israel didn't bother to send any troops to Iraq didn't mean they're an ally. Please enlighten me. With the BILLIONS of dollars we give Israel every year, along with weapons, we are definitely an ally to Israel. Please explain how Israel is an ally to us. Is it because they grace us with their agreement to take our money and then spy on us? (I could post a number of articles regarding the spying, but since you don't like it when I do that, feel free to Google it on your own.) What have they done for us in return?
I have always believed Israel was the underdog in the Middle East and have always favored them. This is the first time I have ever questioned their actions. We here in America still have freedom of thought and speech, whether you like it or not. You know nothing of me, including how I believe. Your assessment of me is not only wrong, it's absurd and only proves how you interact with people who disagree. I am very relieved that you are not representative of all Israelis, as it gives me a small sense of hope.
I doubt your sincerity in stating that I'm not worth the time to answer, considering all the time you spent doing just that. Another example of your hypocrisy. No doubt you will waste your time once again responding to this with more hatred and insults, only this time I will let you have the last word, since you are now no longer worth the time it takes to respond.
I'm curious....does your view include Sarah Palin?
and the way the media continues to demonize her and her family?
Or does this just apply to Pres. Obama. In your view.
proposed tax policies which include granting rebates to most US workers.
That statement jumped out at me.
Yup, don't forget to include the opinions of the criminally insane as undeniable truth....nm
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Send a letter to the director of the school system and include that message. sm
This has absolutely nothing to do with being instructed in English.
Sounds like the teacher is foisting her principles and ideas on youngsters, which she has no right to do. It's none of her business who and who was not born out of wedlock. She has no right to tell youngsters to get married and stay married, that's none of her business either. She has no right to tell a youngster to take a job and keep it, no matter what the pay. I'm wondering how old this teacher is.
Write a letter of complaint to the Board of Education, stating the above and ask them what this has to do with English instruction.
She's not a morals counselor, she's supposed to be a teacher of English.
Maybe the ACLU would be interested. You never know. Can't hurt to ask.
It that was my kid, I'd be in the teacher's face big time.
If you go there, please include Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Obama, McCain....the list goes
You can't be selective. If you insist on putting blame for the current situation our country is in, you must put the blame on each and every person that was a part of it.
I agree neither choice is great, but will vote McCain just as a vote against Obama. nm
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A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. No chance on Earth he can win. sm
Votes for him only take away from the real candidates.
Good point. I don't vote party, I vote for the
person. Every Democrat is not bad and every Republican good or vice versa.
What does it say about a man's character when he...
stiffs folks on campaign bills when he steps out of the race?
FW: Joe Biden (You WON'T see THIS "reported"....ANYWHERE!!!)
I feel an obligation to honesty and truth to share with you some facts. My Father and Mother instilled in me the values and morals of treating people fairly and always being honest. If you purchase something, you pay for it. If you borrow something, you give it back.
I have been "stiffed" three times in my 30 year professional career by someone who I rendered services to, gave a finished product to, but who refused to pay for those services even though they acknowledged the services and products were correct, were what they asked for, and were never challenged for not being correct. I am lucky in having only three, but those three hurt badly.
Joe Biden was one of those people. I worked on his 1988 Presidential campaign financial disclosure engagement. I busted it for him and got everything right. He stiffed me for over $15,000 worth of work. He refused to pay once he dropped out of the race. I did similar Capitol Hill campaign financial disclosure work for Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, and a Democratic candidate for Ambassador to New Zealand. All of those folks paid even though they lost the election or did not get the appointment. That type of work is very demanding and very tedious because your efforts are scrutinized by Congress. Biden did not care.
I am on the Board of Directors of a company that owns a majority position in a private jet management company in Northern Virginia. They manage jets for businesses and rich folks. They also charter planes to the public. This past winter John Thompson chartered over $250,000 worth of air time. He paid every penny.
Joe Biden, in his latest unsuccessful run for President, chartered over $150,000 worth of air time. He PAID ZERO. He continues to refuse to pay stating his race is over and he is out of money. He never once complained about his flights. Joe Biden is a rich man. He could pay.
Joe Biden is a liar and a cheat. I know it first hand. Character is what life is all about. Joe Biden is a man of bad character and sets a bad example for America.
I feel compelled to share this dark side of a man who asks for your vote and trust.
Best Regards,
Bruce D. Riddle, CPA, CFP
BDR Associates, LLC
This email went out 9-2. Biden has now paid the bill. Well go figure...LOL.
Character
Unless there is a new candidate, I see no character in any of the candidates. The only one who gets any real sympathy from me is Joe Biden; how horrible it must have been to lose a wife and a child in a terrible accident.
As for McCain, by his own admission, he was not faithful in marriage, yet we expect him to be faithful to those of us who are small time people that he doesn't even know? I think not.
Yes, I read what McCain's ex-wife had to say about him. I greatly admire and respect her for not bad-mouthing the father of her children. I think many women would do well to follow her example. But can anyone tell me with a straight face that the ex-wife, scorned and pubically at that, can remain a great fan of the ex-husband for any reason than out of love and respect for her children or perhaps for money? No? I didn't think so.
Everyone thankfully is free to vote for whomever they wish. I will not vote for a rat that ran out on his disabled wife. Whether he did it for Cindy's youth and beauty or for her money, I don't know, but it surely advanced his political aspirations. What I do know is that I would not like to see such an immoral man in the White House. Is Obama any better? I don't know. His administration might be worse than McCain's but I'll take a chance on him by voting, not FOR him but AGAINST John McCain.
Character
Honestly I think McCain has less character than Obama but then I respect your opinion.
At least she has character.........unlike some
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character is not an "issue" to them. Well, it is
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One word: Character....nm
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What does it say about a candidate's character
1. Dumps his crippled wife and mother of his children to have affair with wealthy heiress, then turns around to apply for marriage license before his divorce is final.
2. Calls his wife C-word.
3. While speaking at a biker's rally, volunteers his wife as a contestant in the "Miss Buffalo Chips" topless modeling contest, including it's legendary banana competition.
4. Tries to blame his wife for the Keating 5 scandal when it becomes public.
5. Screams at and thoroughly humiliates a young pub volunteer who set up his podium at a rally.
6. Jokes about ape rape and killing off Iranians with cigarettes and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb."
7. Describes Arizona's elderly as "seizure world."
8. Throws temper tantrums, punctuated with the casual use of the F-word.
9. Calls fellow senators Aholes and sh-heads.
10. Ignites a culture war to get elected.
11. Questions the patriotism of his opponent and fails to renounce his supporters who question his faith, endlessly insinuate he lies about it and portray his wife as a militant with hidden agendas to stage a socialist/Black Power takeover of the country.
12. Embraces endorsement from a pastor who disparages Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans, believes that Hurricane Katrina was punishment from God because "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God," announced a "slave sale" at the church to raise funds and believes that "the coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty,"
13. Overlooks the Bush-Rove campaign strategy of unleashing a landslide of racist attacks on him, including calling his own daughter an illegitimate half-black love child, turns around in 2004 to campaign for W's second term, throughout it all supported 9 out of 10 of his disastrous policies that has brought the nation to it knees and then embraces Rove as senior campaign adviser in 2008.
14. Stood silently by while fellow war hero/veteran John Kerry was swift-boated without mercy.
Before any rebuttal ensues that would seek to deny, dodge and deflect, keep in mind that character assassination has been a benchmark of JM's campaign and of his supporters, so no whining allowed. Finally, this is legitimate inquiry, given that 90% is striving so diligently not to be 90% and has hawked character as his main qualification for presidential leadership.
Simple ? What does it say about a man's character when he
1. Dumps his crippled wife and mother of his children to have affair with wealthy heiress, then turns around to apply for marriage license before his divorce is final.
2. Calls his wife C-word.
3. While speaking at a biker's rally, volunteers his wife as a contestant in the "Miss Buffalo Chips" topless modeling contest, including it's legendary banana competition.
4. Tries to blame his wife for the Keating 5 scandal when it becomes public.
5. Screams at and thoroughly humiliates a young pub volunteer who set up his podium at a rally.
6. Jokes about ape rape and killing off Iranians with cigarettes and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb."
7. Describes Arizona's elderly as "seizure world."
8. Throws temper tantrums, punctuated with the casual use of the F-word.
9. Calls fellow senators Aholes and sh-heads.
10. Ignites a culture war to get elected.
11. Questions the patriotism of his opponent and fails to renounce his supporters who question his faith, endlessly insinuate he lies about it and portray his wife as a militant with hidden agendas to stage a socialist/Black Power takeover of the country.
12. Embraces endorsement from a pastor who disparages Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans, believes that Hurricane Katrina was punishment from God because "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God," announced a "slave sale" at the church to raise funds and believes that "the coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty,"
13. Overlooks the Bush-Rove campaign strategy of unleashing a landslide of racist attacks on him, including calling his own daughter an illegitimate half-black love child, turns around in 2004 to campaign for W's second term, throughout it all supported 9 out of 10 of his disastrous policies that has brought the nation to it knees and then embraces Rove as senior campaign adviser in 2008.
14. Stood silently by while fellow war hero/veteran John Kerry was swift-boated without mercy.
Before any rebuttal ensues that would seek to deny, dodge and deflect, keep in mind that character assassination has been a benchmark of JM's campaign and of his supporters, so no whining allowed. Finally, this is legitimate inquiry, given that 90% is striving so diligently not to be 90% and has hawked character as his main qualification for presidential leadership.
character issue
McSame was unfairly attacked by Bush machine when they ran in primaries together. Bush people insinuated he had a black child out of wedlock. They even claimed he was mentally unstable due to his time as a POW. McSame was deeply wounded by the attacks. But now he is willing to use same diversion techniques against Obama. That, my friends, speaks of the character of the man.
McCain's Character ...sm
Found this comment on McCain. I guess he just so desperately wants to win. How many of his former friends and supporters have said lately that they don't recognize him anymore?
“Character”
John McCain says this election is about character – and he‘s right.
In the 2000 presidential race the Bush campaign – led by Karl Rove – viciously attacked John McCain’s wife and child – they said his wife was a drug addict and that the child he and his wife adopted from an orphanage was actually his illegitimate Black daughter. On election night, his wife was in tears.
Back then, McCain was disgusted. He said there was “a special place in h*ll” for rumormongers like these people. He made a promise to his family and to his supporters that he would never run a dirty campaign like that. Never.
But early this year John McCain hired Charlie Condon, the very same man who was behind those vicious smears to run his South Carolina campaign. And then several weeks ago he brought Steven Schmidt - leading protégé of Karl Rove and master of the political hit job - on board to be his campaign manager and write the talking points for the new negative campaign against Barak Obama.
It’s sad to watch, McCain’s willingness to humiliate himself by hiring the same gang of people who horribly insulted him and his family. It shows that he has become so desperate to win this election that he is willing to sacrifice his principles and his personal honor in order to do it
Let’s face it. A real man would have said to those people – “Get the h*ll out of my office before I throw you out” the minute they walked in. A person would not have to be a tough guy like John Wayne to say that. A gentle, decent man of character would have told them the same thing.
But what did John McCain say about Bush’s dirty politics gang?
He said: “I had to get over it … it was a long time ago”
It’s sad, genuinely sad
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John McCain – he’s no longer the man he used to be.
I don't think character (or lack of it)...
...is restricted to one political party.
Whether this crook is a Democrat or a Republican, he should be tossed in jail and the keys thrown away. Period.
I am voting for someone who has character. nm
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Character? Have you done any research at all...
about how quickly he rose through Chicago politics? The Daly machine? The people he has dealth with? His 20-year association with black liberation theology? He admitted in his own book he went to socialist conferences and was "exposed" to Marxist literature. None of this really matters to you? Is the United Socialist States of America (sounds suspiciously like the USSR, does it not?) what you really want? If so...vote enthusiastically for Obama. How any thinking person can ignore all this boggles the mind...but of course, it has happened in other countries (Cuba, Venezuela...Russia...), it can happen here too.
No way, no how, could I be any part in putting that man in the White House, especially with a Democratic majority in the Congress.
We would be hosed...all of us...and partly at the hands of our countymen/women. Ironic, doncha think?
No, I just pay attention to character, not
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Character questions
We all know that we can go back and forth on which candidate is the best for our country. We also know that when running for president candidates can promise a lot. Since it is not possible to know how each candidate's economic, tax or any other policy will turn out until they are actually in office, I will be basing my vote on how they feel about moral issues, i.e. marriage, abortion, etc. Each candidate has a platform/an agenda they will be pushing once elected. Their platform can be seen on the internet by googling 2008 Democratic Party Platform or 2008 Republican Party Platform. There is some very interesting stuff in there. Check it out.
Speaking of character...
Just because a Georgia congressman needs some publicity (like a 2-year-old, bad attention is just as good as good attention) and says something stupid, people jump all over it.
There are whackos in Congress, just as there are in the general public. A perfect example is Michele Bachmann who trashed Obama on national television, and when she saw it backfired on her, she quickly produced a commercial saying some nonsense about her words not always coming out right but her heart being in the right place. (And then she blamed the host of the show for tricking her into saying these outlandish things.)
After the election, she then went on to do a 180 and issued the statement below.
After suggesting that Barack Obama had anti-American views in an exchange three weeks ago with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) told Politico Thursday that she was "extremely grateful that we have an African-American who has won this year." She called his victory "a tremendous signal we sent."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/06/bachmann-praises-obamas-w_n_141922.html
I would not call that a lack of character...
I would actually call it strong character that she can praise Obama's win even though she feels he has anti-American views. So that is her opinion, as many of us here feel.
Not laughing. Bush has more character than
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Speaking of character. It should matter, but
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Based on what?
Your wishful thinking? I find it hard to believe you're a moderate conservative. 2008 is still a long way off. The liberals better find an agenda other than hating Bush before they'll have any chance in hades of electing more of them to congress much less to the White House.
BASED ON...???
You want to back up that comment?
Or are you just talking out of your backside?
Based on what? (nm)
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Then you need to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain will...sm
not help you. Obama wants to give tax relief to 90% of Americans who earn 1% of the gross earnings in this country. The top 1% of earners bring in 90% of earnings. Any one person who earns $250,000 or less will benefit from Obama's tax plan.
they didn't vote - they registered to vote -
that is a big difference. The votes were not counted, they were stopped by the means in which they were supposed to be stopped - ID verification, address verification, etc. The cards were filled out by the ACORN workers and then given to the proper authorities to sort through.
The phony registrations were pulled out by the actual authorities. ACORN is just a middle man.
We get what we vote for. If we vote "party", we get extremes.
If we make it a point to try to identify candidates who hold moderate views and vote for them, rather than voting a "party ticket", we'll have a better chance of getting away from these extremes, whether right or left.
One of the problems, though, is that candidates often play games with their real positions. During the primaries, they talk the "party" line and then they move to the center for the general election. Both sides do this, unfortunately.
The only hope is to look at their past records - and take them seriously. History is prologue to the future. When a man has done certain things in his adult life, it tells us more about him than anything he says. If Obama hasn't taught us this fundamental truth, we'll never learn it. The evidence about him goes all the way back to his days in law school, and it was available for anyone to see. Some didn't bother to look. Others looked and didn't take it seriously. Either way, we weren't paying attention or he'd have probably never made it through the primaries.
No one can pull the wool over your eyes unless you let them, and the way they do it is by making smooth speeches filled with unlikely promises (and even glaring contradictions as they appeal to groups with opposite interests). They believe we won't notice the lies, exaggerations and mischaracterizations of their opponent's positions, etc. Unfortunately, they are often right.
Let's start taking the candidates' prior records and their life histories as the best evidence of who they really are - not their speeches. If we do this, we'll make better choices.
Those who assassinate the character of people they've never met
only succeed in illuminating their own shortcomings.
I won't be responding to you any more. It's pointless. You're not here to debate. You're here to insult.
Have a lovely evening. 
Sure thing....case closed. JM has character....
Obama does not.
Just because someone does not come on after your final barb, doesn't mean I think you're right.
You are largely non-debatable anyway, and one-note choir.
That's right Character matters, meanwhile MQ puffs on W's cigar
Yep, W is his goooood buddy. They be bestest of friends. Gives him big ole bear hugs. Nice to see McSame in the saddle.
Don't you wish ? Issue is character, trust, loyalty and
What about the rest of the list. Again, question is what does this kind of repeated behavior spanning ?many years say about a man's character, especially one who now implores a nation to admire his character, trust his judgment, believe he is loyal to his porported "cause" and that he respects women...the votes he now seeks
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