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No problem with that, as long as opinion is not regarded as fact...

Posted By: sam on 2008-09-02
In Reply to: Opinions count. Nothing wrong in researching them as long as - Equal time, consideration given to all views. nm

as it can be very misleading. On both sides.


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This is not my opinion, this is a fact., you said it yourself....
in 1 of your former posts, by telling me to 'grow a heart' when I say that Michelle is not gorgeous.
She is not ugly, but not beautiful, this is a fact and the truth.

Barack 10 points, Michelle 5 points.
Again - your opinion - you DO NOT know this for fact
You sit and act like God is talking directly to you. If you think that is the case then that is delusional. You DON'T KNOW what his wishes are. He does not sit and tell you exactly what he wants.

Get off the "read your bible" routine. People interpret the bible to mean different things (whatever suits their beliefs).

I have read the bible and I know for a fact that first, God does not single out a human and tell them "go murder someone in my name". That is evil. Wars are started by evil men.

But first and foremost you do not know what God wants. You only believe you know what he wants and that in itself can be very dangerous. According to Bush, God told him to start a war. - WRONG!

All I know is we live in a materialistic world. We have laws we have to follow. Some of these laws are made in the best interest of people. Whether you want to believe them based on a book you believe in is irrelevant to what the law is. There are a lot of things in the bible that you are not supposed to do "literally".

You said you are not okay with murder, however, you are okay with this guy being brutally murdered. So let me repeat once more for you... God did NOT tell some whacko religious nutcase to murder someone in cold blood and terrorize all the people around him and make the doctor's family suffer horrible and inconceivable grief of their loss. We may have not agreed with him doing abortions, but he may have been a very nice person in real life. You don't know what he was like.

Let me also correct a fact that you misstated.

The doctor performed a "legal procedure" that a mother and her family and physician requested. He did not break the law. He sided with the mother's right to choose. Since abortion is legal, he did nothing wrong.

But please, do not presume to profess that you know what God wants because you don't. If you do that is delusional and they do have medication for it.

According to what you have said, your god is NOT a loving God. Your god is much different and likes to see people terrorized and suffer. In my books that is what Satan wants.

Again do not presume to know what God wants because you don't.
It wasn't my opinion. It's a fact. They will try it again, too....sm
Remember you saw it here first. They will try to do away with the 401K as we now know it. Hopefully, enough Republicans will get rid of it again. We can only hope.

The democrats want to run our whole lives, and make us be dependent on them for everything, cradle to grave, taxes, redistribute the wealth, reinstate the death tax, on and on and on, which so many ill informed people seem to be okay with.


That's your opinion - not fact - see message
Please - do you even know what you are saying?

First - yes our creator gives and takes lives - that's kind of stating the obvious.

"He" does NOT use other people to take lives. Give me a break! This is what you want to believe. You want to believe that God uses other people to murder others that do something you don't agree with. The creator does not use other people to murder other people - if you are religious in any way you should know that that is what Satan does. Like another poster said and I believe this, if God wanted this doctor dead he would have died in his sleep or had a heart attack or something like that. Not send a gunman in the run him down and terrorize all the people around him at that time.

You are correct that woman has the right to choose sex, birth control to avoid pregnancy, but you are wrong on the next part. "Woman do have the right to have an abortion". Abortion is LEGAL and woman have the right to have one if they and their doctor feel it is necessary (or for whatever reason). That is called "the law". Just because it doesn't coincide with your religious beliefs doesn't mean that you are right.

I wouldn't even begin to profess that you know what the bible says because everyone interprets the bible different. I've been to many churches and they all seemed to have a different meaning of the scriptures in the bible.

However, there are laws in this country, and we should be following the laws. If they say abortion is legal then you need to let it go. It is legal no matter whether or not you agree with it.

So your okay with an a brutal adult human being murdered but your not okay with abortion. That's a bit hypocritical if you ask me. Never mind all the people surrounding this doctor at church that were completely terrorized by this gunman. So you think your God wanted these people terrorized too? You think God wants this doctor's family to suffer the heartache they are dealing with. You think God wants that too????? The difference here is that the doctor performed a legal procedure requested by the person who wanted the abortion. This gunman who shot and killed the doctor (and terrorized all the people around him to include the doctor's family) he was not asked to do that.

Gods work? Hardly! More like Satan's work.

Murder is murder no matter who it is. It is not okay to murder an adult because they did something you don't agree with. I say again - he is no different than Kevorkian - they are both murderers. I may not have agreed with what this doctor was doing, but it's even worse to have some religious nutcase gun him down in the "name of god".

I don't know who your "god" is, but mine is a loving creator. Not one who talks to others to go do is "bidding" for him.
Fact Check. Katrina: What Happened When (long article)
Katrina: What Happened When

It will take months to get the full story, but meanwhile here are some of the key facts about what happened and when officials acted.


September 16, 2005



Summary



 


Multiple investigations are likely into the response by federal, state, and local officials to the disastrous flooding of New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina.  New facts are still emerging, and we expect it will be months or years before a full picture can be properly assessed.


In response to numerous requests, we present here a brief timeline of events, as best as we can document them from public records and the best news reporting from the scene. We do not blame or excuse anyone, and leave it to others to judge what, if anything, could or should have been done differently. All times are converted to Central Daylight Time.



Analysis



 


July 23, 2004 - 13 Months Before Katrina


The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) conducts Hurricane Pam exercise to assess results of a theoretical Category 3 hurricane. It assumes that a storm with 120-mph winds would force Lake Pontchartrain's waters over the tops of the New Orleans' 17.5-foot levees and through a gap in the levee system would flood major portions of the city and would damage up to 87 percent of the city's homes. The Times-Picayune reports that officials expect up to half the city's residents won't evacuate and that many will be trapped in attics, on rooftops, and in makeshift shelters for days.


—In Case of Emergency, New Orleans Times-Picayune, as posted  on the website of the Louisiana Homeland Security & Emergency Preparedness, 20 Jul 2004.


Friday, Aug 26 2005 - 3 Days Prior to Katrina's Louisiana Landfall


Hurricane Katrina strikes Florida between Hallandale Beach and North Miami Beach as a Category 1 hurricane with 80 mph winds.  Eleven people die from hurricane-related causes.


—A chronology of Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath, Associated Press, 3 Sep 2005.


The storm heads into the Gulf of Mexico and by 10:30 am CDT is reported to be rapidly strengthening.


—Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 13 , National Hurricane Center, 26 Aug 2005.


Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declares a State of Emergency in Louisiana.


—Governor Blanco Declares State of Emergency,  Louisiana Governor's Office, 26 Aug 2005.


Saturday, Aug 27 2005 - 2 Days Prior


Blanco asks President Bush to declare a State of Emergency for the state of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina.  Bush does so, authorizing the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts… and freeing up federal money for the state.


—Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina,  Louisiana Governor's Office , 27 Aug 2005.    


Statement on federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana, Office of the White House Press Secretary, 27 Aug 2005.


Katrina is a Category 3 storm, predicted to become Category 4. At 4pm CDT, it is still 380 miles from the mouth of the Mississippi.


—Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number  18,  National Hurricane Center  , 26 Aug 2005.


Director of the National Hurricane Center, Max Mayfield, calls the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New Orleans to warn of potential devastation. The next day he participates in a video conference call to the President, who is at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.


—Tamara Lush, For forecasting chief, no joy in being right  , St. Petersburg Times , 30 Aug 2005.


Sunday, Aug. 28 2005 - 1 Day Prior


1 a.m. - Katrina is upgraded to a Category 4 storm with wind speeds reaching 145 mph.


—Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 20,  National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.


7 a.m. - Katrina is upgraded to a potentially catastrophic Category 5 storm. NOAA predicts coastal storm surge flooding of 15 to 20 feet above normal tide levels.


—Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 22,  National Hurricane Center , 28 Aug 2005.


—New Orleans braces for monster hurricane,   CNN.com, 29 Aug 2005.


9:30 a.m. - With wind speeds reaching 175 mph, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin orders a mandatory evacuation of the city after speaking with Bush.  The evacuation call comes only 20 hours before Katrina would make landfall – less than half the time that researchers had determined was necessary to evacuate the city.


—Gordon Russell, Nagin orders first-ever mandatory evacuation of New Orleans , New Orleans Times-Picayune , 31 Aug 2005.


—Lise Olsen, City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy , Houston Chronicle , 8 Sep 2005.


10 a.m. - NOAA raises their estimate of storm surge flooding to 18 to 22 feet above normal tide levels. The levee protecting New Orleans from Lake Pontchartrain is only 17.5 feet tall; the Mississippi River levee reaches 23 feet.


—Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 23  National Hurricane Center  , 28 Aug 2005.


The Associated Press reports that New Orleans could become a vast cesspool tainted with toxic chemicals, human waste and even coffins released…from the city's legendary cemeteries.


The storm threatened an environmental disaster of biblical proportions , one that could leave more than 1 million people homeless, the AP says.


—Matt Crenson, Katrina may create environmental catastrophe on epic scale, Associated Press , 28 Aug 2005.


11:31 a.m. - The President – at his ranch in Crawford – speaks briefly to reporters. His statement contains 203 words about Katrina and 819 congratulating Iraqis on their new constitution. We will do everything in our power to help the people in the communities affected by this storm, he says of the approaching hurricane.


President Discusses Hurricane Katrina , Congratulates Iraqis on Draft Constitution, Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford, Texas, 28 Aug 2005.


8:30 p.m. - An empty Amtrak train leaves New Orleans, with room for thousands of potential evacuees. We offered the city the opportunity to take evacuees out of harm's way…The city declined, said Amtrak spokesman Cliff Black. The train left New Orleans no passengers on board.


—Susan Glasser, The Steady Buildup to a City's Chaos , The Washington Post , 11 Sep 2005.


Two weeks later, Nagin denies on NBC's Meet the Press  that Amtrak offered their services. Amtrak never contacted me to make that offer, the mayor tells host Tim Russert.  I have never gotten that call, Tim, and I would love to have had that call. But it never happened.


Interview with Mayor Nagin , Meet the Press, NBC, 11 Sep 2005.


Monday August 29, 2005 - Day of Katrina


6 a.m. - Katrina makes landfall on Louisiana coast as a strong Category 4 storm, with sustained winds of nearly 145 mph and predicted coastal storm surge of up to 28 feet. The National Hurricane Center warns that some levees in the greater New Orleans area could be overtopped. It says a weather buoy located about 50 miles east of the mouth of the Mississippi river had reported waves heights of at least 47 feet.


—Hurricane Katrina Intermediate Advisory Number 26A …Corrected,    National Hurricane Center  , 29 Aug 2005.


8.a.m. - The storm surge sends water sloshing up the Industrial Canal, and local officials immediately report flooding on both sides. Winds break a barge loose and it strikes the levee.


—John McQuaid, Katrina trapped city in double disasters, New Orleans Times-Picayune, 7 Sep 2005.


9 a.m. - The eastern part of the city and Bernard Parish are already flooded several feet deep, even before the eye of the storm has passed. Thousands of survivors are trapped. But worse flooding is to come: within hours, city canal floodwalls will also collapse and a second, slower wave of flooding will take place.


—John McQuaid, Katrina trapped city in double disasters , New Orleans Times-Picayune , 7 Sep 2005.


11 a.m. - New Orleans is spared a direct hit, as the center of the storm passes over the Louisiana-Mississippi state line 35 miles away from the city. Maximum sustained winds are now reduced, but still a strong Category 3 storm with 125 mph winds.


—Hurricane Katrina Advisory Number 27,  National Hurricane Center , 29 Aug 2005.


11:06 a.m . - Bush promotes his Medicare prescription drug benefit at a 44-minute event in El Mirage, Arizona. He devotes 156 words to the hurricane, among them: I want the folks there on the Gulf Coast to know that the federal government is prepared to help you when the storm passes. I want to thank the governors of the affected regions for mobilizing assets prior to the arrival of the storm to help citizens avoid this devastating storm.


President Participates in Conversation on Medicare  White House  , 29 Aug 2005.


Late Morning (exact time uncertain)  - The vital 17th Street Canal levee gives way, sending the water from Lake Pontchartrain into the city in a second, slower wave of flooding. A full day will pass before state or federal officials fully realize what is happening.


—John McQuaid, Katrina trapped city in double disasters , New Orleans Times-Picayune , 7 Sep 2005.


Eventually, engineers will find five separate places where concrete floodwalls gave way. They will still be debating and studying the causes of the failures two weeks after the storm.


—John McQuaid, Mystery surrounds floodwall breaches; Could a structural flaw be to blame ? New Orleans Times-Picayune , 13 Sep 2005.


About 11 a.m. (exact time uncertain) - Roughly five hours after Katrina strikes the coast, FEMA director Michael Brown sends a memo – later obtained and made public by The Associated Press – requesting an additional 1,000 rescue workers from the Department of Homeland Security within 48 hours and 2,000 more within seven days. It is addressed to his boss, Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security. Brown refers to Katrina as this near catastrophic event (our emphasis.) He proposes sending the workers first for training in Georgia or Florida, then to the disaster area when conditions are safe. Among the duties of the workers, Brown proposes, is to convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organizations and the general public. (Emphasis added.)


—Michael D. Brown, Memorandum to Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security , 29 Aug 2005.


Later Brown will say FEMA itself has only 2,600 employees nationwide, and normally relies on state workers, the National Guard, private contractors and other federal agencies during disaster relief operations.


—David D. Kirkpatrick and Scott Shane, Ex-FEMA Chief Tells of Frustration and Chaos , New York Times, 15 Sep 2005: A1.


4:40 p.m.  - Bush appears in Rancho Cucamonga, California for another Medicare event. He again devotes a few words to Katrina: It's a storm now that is moving through, and now it's the time for governments to help people get their feet on the ground. . . . For those of you who are concerned about whether or not we're prepared to help, don't be. We are. We're in place. We've got equipment in place, supplies in place. And once the -- once we're able to assess the damage, we'll be able to move in and help those good folks in the affected areas.


President Discusses Medicare, New Prescription Drug Benefits  ,James L. Brulte Senior Center Rancho Cucamonga, California, 29 Aug 2005.


Time uncertain - Blanco calls Bush, saying, Mr. President, we need your help. We need everything you've got. Bush later assures her that help is on the way.


—James Carney et al, 4 Places Where the System Broke Down, Time , 11 September 2005.


—Evan Thomas, How Bush Blew It, Newsweek , 19 September 2005.


Tuesday August 30, 2005 - 1 Day After Katrina


Dawn - Water has continued to rise overnight and is coursing through the city's central business district, still rising. Eventually, at least least 80 percent of New Orleans is under water. Reports of looting surface.


—John McQuaid, Katrina trapped city in double disasters , New Orleans Times-Picayune , 7 Sep 2005.


11:04 a.m.  - In San Diego, California, Bush delivers a 31-minute speech marking the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II. Of Katrina, he says, we're beginning to move in the help that people need.


President Commemorates 60th Anniversary of V-J Day Naval Air Station North Island San Diego, California 30 Aug 2005.


Immediately after the speech, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan tells reporters that Bush will return to Crawford, then cut short his Texas stay and go to Washington. McClellan says, This is one of the most devastating storms in our nation's history. I think that's becoming clear to everyone. The devastation is enormous.


Press Gaggle by Scott McClellan , Naval Air Station North Island San Diego, California, 30 Aug 2005.


3 p.m. - With water still pouring into the city, officials report that the Army Corps of Engineers has surveyed the damage to levees and will soon attempt repair. 


At a Baton Rouge briefing, Sen. Mary Landrieu reports that most of the roads and highways are impassable, and water is still coming into the city of New Orleans. The water is up to the rooftops in St. Bernard and Plaquemine. We think there may be only one major way into the city right now and it has to be used for emergency personnel to get food and water and rescue equipment to people who are in desperate need.


But even now, federal and state officials alike seem unaware of the full extent of the unfolding disaster.


FEMA's coordinator William Lokey says of the still-rising water:



FEMA's Bill Lokey: In the metropolitan area in general, in the huge majority of areas, it's not rising at all. It's the same or it may be lowering slightly. In some parts of New Orleans, because of the 17th Street breach, it may be rising and that seemed to be the case in parts of downtown.


I don't want to alarm everybody that, you know, New Orleans is filling up like a bowl. That's just not happening.


None of the state officials present at the press conference correct Lokey's mistaken remark. And Blanco seems puzzled when a reporter asks the governor about the water pollution that will later emerge as a major public health risk:



Q: Does the water that's downtown -- does this represent what everyone feared before the hurricane would come, that you would have this toxic soup that has overrun the city?


Blanco: It didn't -- I wouldn't think it would be toxic soup right now. I think it's just water from the lake, water from the canals. It's, you know, water.


Q: Well, something could be underneath that water.


Blanco: Pardon?


The Situation Room; Hurricane Katrina Aftermath ; Rescue Efforts and Assessing the Damage, Transcript, CNN,  30 Aug 2005.


Wednesday August 31, 2005 - 2 Days After


Morning - Bush, still in Crawford, participates in a half-hour video conference on Katrina with Vice President Cheney (who is in Wyoming) and top aides. Later, he boards Air Force One and flies over New Orleans on his way back to Washington. His press secretary tells reporters: The President, when we were passing over that part of New Orleans, said, 'It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground.'


Press Gaggle with Scott McClellan Aboard Air Force One, En Route Andrews Air Force Base, MD,  31 Aug 2005.


Looting intensifies in New Orleans.  Nagin orders most of the police to abandon search and rescue missions for survivors and focus on packs of looters who are becoming increasingly violent.  The AP reported, Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the firepower.


Mayor: Katrina may have killed thousands , Associated Press , 31 Aug 2005


Late Afternoon  - Bush, back at the White House, holds a cabinet meeting on Katrina and speaks for nine minutes in the Rose Garden to outline federal relief efforts. He says FEMA has moved 25 search and rescue teams into the area. As for those stranded at the Superdome, Buses are on the way to take those people from New Orleans to Houston, the President says.


President Outlines Hurricane Katrina Relief Efforts , The Rose Garden, 31 Aug 2005.


Thursday September 1, 2005 - 3 Days After


7 a.m. - Bush says I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. His remark comes in a live interview on ABC's Good Morning America :



Bush: I want people to know there's a lot of help coming. I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. They did anticipate a serious storm. These levees got breached and as a result, much of New Orleans is flooded and now we're having to deal with it and will.


—“Good Morning America,” Transcript, ABC News, 1 September 2005.


Time Uncertain - Red Cross President Marsha Evans asks permission to enter the city with relief supplies, but Louisiana state officials deny permission.


—Red Cross: State rebuffed relief efforts: Aid organization never got into New Orleans, officials say   CNN.com , 9 Sep 2005.


Thirty-thousand National Guard Troops from across the country are ordered to report to the Gulf Coast, but many do not arrive for several days.


More Navy Ships, National Guard troops head to the Gulf Coast , Associated Press, 1 Sep 2005.


The first buses arrive at the Superdome to take evacuees to the Astrodome in Houston, 355 miles away. But the evacuation goes slowly and will take several days.


—Evan Thomas, The Lost City, Newsweek , 12 September 2005.


Associated Press photographer Phil Coale makes an aerial shot of scores of school buses sitting unused in a flooded New Orleans lot. Many will later question why city officials did not use these busses to evacuate residents who lacked transportation prior to the hurricane, or at least move them to higher ground for use later.


—AP Photo/Phil Coale Aerial view of flooded school busses, Yahoo News, 1 Sep 2005.


Evening - In a special report that is typical of the picture that television is conveying to the world, CNN Correspondent Adaora Udoji reports: Three days after Hurricane Katrina, and the situation is getting more desperate by the minute. Thousands are still stranded in misery.  . . . They are marching in search of food, water and relief. They're surrounded by a crumbling city and dead bodies. Infants have no formula, the children no food, nothing for adults, no medical help. They're burning with frustration, and sure they have been forgotten.


And CNN's Medical Correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, reports live from Charity hospital in New Orleans: It doesn't appear to be safe now, but it seems that a sniper standing atop one of the buildings just above us here and firing down at patients and doctors as they were trying to be evacuated, unbelievable. It just boggles my mind, actually.


—Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees, Special Edition: Hurricane Katrina  CNN Transcripts  , 1 Sept 2005.


Brown says FEMA officials were unaware for days that – besides the hurricane victims stranded in the Superdome – thousands more had taken refuge in the New Orleans Convention Center nearby. Speaking from Baton Rouge in a live interview with CNN's Paula Zahn, he says:



Brown : And so, this -- this catastrophic disaster continues to grow. I will tell you this, though. Every person in that Convention Center, we just learned about that today . And so, I have directed that we have all available resources to get to that Convention Center to make certain that they have the food and water, the medical care that they need...
Q: Sir, you aren't telling me...
Brown : ... and that we take care of those bodies that are there.  . . .
Q: Sir, you aren't just telling me you just learned that the folks at the Convention Center didn't have food and water until today, are you? You had no idea they were completely cut off?
Brown: Paula, the federal government did not even know about the Convention Center people until today.


—Paula Zahn Now, Desperation in New Orleans; Interview With FEMA Director Mike Brown,  Transcript , 1 Sep 2005.


Later, Brown will say he was wrong and that FEMA actually knew about the victims at the Convention Center 24 hours earlier but was unable to reach them until Thursday.


—David D. Kirkpatrick and Scott Shane, Ex-FEMA Chief Tells of Frustration and Chaos, New York Times 15 Sep 2005: A1


Evening - Nagin delivers a rambling diatribe in an interview with local radio station WWL-AM, blaming Bush and Blanco for doing too little:



Nagin : I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man.  . .
I've got 15,000 to 20,000 people over at the convention center. It's bursting at the seams. The poor people in Plaquemines Parish. ... We don't have anything, and we're sharing with our brothers in Plaquemines Parish.
It's awful down here, man.
. . . Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something , and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country.


—Mayor to feds: 'Get off your asses,' Transcript of radio interview with New Orleans' Nagin, CNN.com, 2 Sep 2005.


Friday September 2, 2005 - 4 Days After


The Red Cross renews its request to enter the city with relief supplies. We had adequate supplies, the people and the vehicles, Red Cross official Vic Howell would later recall. Louisiana officials say they needed 24 hours to provide an escort and prepare for the Red Cross's arrival. However, 24 hours later, a large-scale evacuation is underway and the Red Cross relief effort never reaches New Orleans.


—Red Cross: State rebuffed relief efforts: Aid organization never got into New Orleans, officials say   CNN.com , 9 Sep 2005.


8:02 a.m. - Bush leaves the White House to tour the hurricane area. He says, A lot of people are working hard to help those who have been affected, and I want to thank the people for their efforts. The results are not acceptable .


—President Heads to Hurricane Katrina Affected Areas,  The South Lawn , 2 Sep 2005.


10:35 am - Bush, arriving in Alabama to tour the disaster area, says of the FEMA director at a live news conference: Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job. The FEMA director is working 24 -- (applause) -- they're working 24 hours a day. Again, my attitude is, if it's not going exactly right, we're going to make it go exactly right. If there's problems, we're going to address the problems.


—President Arrives in Alabama, Briefed on Hurricane Katrina,  Mobile Regional Airport Mobile , Alabama 2 Sep 2005.


Noon - A convoy of military trucks drives through floodwaters to the convention center, the first supplies of water and food to reach victims who have waited for days. Thousands of armed National Guardsmen carrying weapons stream into the city to help restore order. Commanding is Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, a cigar-chomping Louisiana native who soon wins praise for his decisive style of action.


—Allen G. Breed, National Guardsmen Arrive in New Orleans, The Associated Press, 2 Sep 2005.


5:01p.m. - Bush speaks at New Orleans airport, saying, I know the people of this part of the world are suffering, and I want them to know that there's a flow of progress. We're making progress.


—President Remarks on Hurricane Recovery Efforts , Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport 2 Sep 2005.



Saturday, September 3, 2005 - 5 Days After


10:06 am - Bush announces he is ordering additional active duty forces to the Gulf coast. The enormity of the task requires more resources, he says in his Saturday radio address. In America we do not abandon our fellow citizens in their hour of need. He says 4,000 active-duty troops are already in the area and 7,000 more will arrive in the next 72 hours. Those will add to some 21,000 National Guard troops already in the region.


President Addresses Nation , Discusses Hurricane Katrina Relief Efforts, The Rose Garden , 3 Sep 2005.


Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 6 Days After


The President issues a proclamation ordering the US Flag to be flown at half-staff at all federal building until Sept. 20 as a mark of respect for the victims of Hurricane Katrina.


Proclamation by the President: Honoring the Memory of the Victims of Hurricane Katrina, 4 Sep 2005.


Monday September 5, 2005 - One Week After


U.S. Army Corps of Engineers repair the levee breach on the 17th Street Canal and begin to pump water from the city.


—Pumps begin to drain New Orleans.  CNN.com , 6 Sep 2005.



Tuesday September 6, 2005 - 8 Days After

FEMA asks reporters to refrain from taking pictures of the dead. Reuters quotes a FEMA spokeswoman as sending an email saying, The recovery of victims is being treated with dignity and the utmost respect and we have requested that no photographs of the deceased be made by the media.


—Deborah Zabarenko,  Media groups say FEMA censors search for bodies , Reuters , 7 Sep 2005


Nagin orders police and law enforcement officials to remove everyone from the city who is not involved in recovery efforts.  Despite this order, many residents remain in New Orleans, refusing to leave.


—Cain Burdeau,  New Orleans Mayor orders Forced Evacuation , Associated Press , 7 Sep 2005.


Wednesday September 7, 2005 - 9 Days After


FEMA brings in Kenyon International Services from Houston to assist in recovering  bodies, many of which have been left in the open since the storm hit. A week later, state and federal officials will still be bickering over who is to pay the $119,000 daily expense of the outside mortuary specialists, and many bodies will still lie uncollected in the open and in drained buildings two weeks after the storm.


—Michelle Krupa, Louisiana hires firm to help recover bodies ; Blanco says FEMA moved too slowly, New Orleans Times-Picayune , 14 Sep 2005.


A bipartisan joint Congressional Committee is announced to investigate the response to Hurricane Katrina at all levels of government, as federal, state, and local officials continue to blame each other for the slow response in dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.


—GOP leaders agree to joint Katrina hearings,   CNN.com , 8 Sep 2005.


Friday September 9, 2005 - 11 Days After


Chertoff removes Brown from his role in managing the Katrina relief effort, and puts  Coast Guard Vice Admiral Thad W. Allen in charge.


—Peter Baker,  FEMA Director Replaced as Head of Relief Effort , Washington Post , 10 Sep 2005:  A01.


Monday September 12, 2005 - Two Weeks After


Brown resigns as head of FEMA saying, it is important that I leave now to avoid further distraction from the ongoing mission of FEMA.


—Statement by Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Department of Homeland Security Emergency Preparedness & Response and Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency,   News Release , FEMA, 12 Sep 2005.


September 13, 2005


11:30 a.m. – Bush takes responsibility for the federal government’s failures while speaking at a press conference with Iraqi President Talabani.



Bush: Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government. And to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility. I want to know what went right and what went wrong.


—“President Welcomes President Talabani of Iraq to the White House,” The East Room, news release , 13 Sep 2005.


Thursday, September 15, 2005


Brown, in an interview published in the New York Times , says the governor and her staff had failed to organize a coherent state effort in the days after the hurricane, and that his field officers in the city were reporting an out of control situation to his superiors. He says he asked state officials, What do you need? Help me help you. . . . The response was like, 'Let us find out,' and then I never received specific requests for specific things that needed doing. A spokesman for the governor said, That is just totally inaccurate.


—David D. Kirkpatrick and Scott Shane, Ex-FEMA Chief Tells of Frustration and Chaos , New York Times 15 Sep 2005: A1


8:02 p.m. - Bush says, in a prime-time, televised speech from New Orleans, that the system, at every level of government, was not well-coordinated, and was overwhelmed in the first few days. He says the military should have a greater role in reacting to future large disasters.  Congress is preparing an investigation, and I will work with members of both parties to make sure this effort is thorough. He promises massive aid, tax breaks, and loan guarantees to aid rebuilding, saying that there is no way to imagine America without New Orleans, and this great city will rise again.


—President Discusses Hurricane Relief in Address to the Nation, Jackson Square,  New Orleans, Louisiana 15 Sep 2005.


I agree, this fact was suspected long time before Adam admitted. to it,
and this might even have been - unjustified - the reason why Adam, by far the best singer in the group, came in 2nd place.
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the myth that the poor little christian conservations are constantly being abused by the powerful liberal media.  Yet if the liberal media is so almightly powerful, why can't even one liberal radio network survive?  you can't have it both ways.


 


The fact that an article was written does not make it fact. I hope you know that. nm
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You'll be waiting a long, long time, then, cuz she's going to do

Your opinion of torture is your opinion. Tough
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He died a long, long time ago! (If he was ever
Don't force your beliefs on others. It further devalues your faith in the eyes of others.
History is history and opinion is opinion. You need to learn the difference.
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WHOSE OPINION?

That's your opinion
I don't think the liberal justices have been able to put their own views aside to make constitutionally sound decisions in the last few years, but again, that's my opinion as much as you are basing your judgements on your opinion. I think Bush is a brillant man, and I won't castigate you for thinking he's not, but it is your opinion and you have a right to it. Do I think Harriet Miers is best choice? No, but given her credentials I don't think she's a disaster either. The whole Roe vs. Wade issue has been controversial from it's inception, and yes I do think abortion is wrong, because it's killing innocent human life. I think it should be revisited. Roe has had a change of heart over the years about it, and to me that speaks volumes. However, I doubt you will agree and I don't expect you to.

Okay, if a justice should be excluded because of their abortion views then all the justices would have to be excluded, because they all have taken sides one way or the other.
I second your opinion except

I do believe, based on all information available, that Plame was truly outed.  There is no "opinion" involved here.  It is either true or false, and in this case, it is true she was outed. Throw as much distraction and verbiage at it as you want, but the fact remains.


 


What is your opinion...???
You mention abortions in this country that occur. How do you feel about Iraqi women having abortions? Does it bother you as much as abortions in the US?  Would you go to Iraq at the present time and implore upon the women there not to have an abortion? "Life, what a terrible thing to waste."
Your opinion, and
Get a grip.
that's your opinion
I think that's a "desperate" attempt by dems because you must be scared of his pick!

I am a woman and a proud woman but i don't vote for one just because of that fact! (take Hillary for example!!)


you can have your opinion - and so can I
You just don't like to hear the truth. Hurts doesn't it!

I think I said in my post I commend you both for being able to stay at home and raise your kids. Good for you.

Your the one cutting down Sarah Palin for no good reason and just spewing lies. So I am giving my opinion.

Goes both ways.

As Austin Powers would say - Yeah, baby!
It is just my opinion ...
once again, just because I don't like his personna does not mean that I am not voting for him.

I truly have not decided.
Just my opinion...sm

This is all pretty much a matter of opinion, why does one have to be stupid to vote for who they FEEL is the best candidate.  None of them truly are qualified.  We can gave education and we can gain experience, but when given the task at hand, how many actually succeed.  I feel that the Bush administration has been the worst ever since I have become involved in politics over the years, but that is my personal opinion.  Not only was he given one term and failed, but a second term and things got worse.


I am not pushing any buttons or trying to step on anyones toes.  To me it does not matter what race, religion, or gender, have always been a democrat and nothing and no one can ever make me vote republican, but the replican administration that had the task of leading our country for the last 8 years has definitely turned some die hard republicans to say they will vote republican.


This is my thing, I'm poor in a sense that I do not have millions of dollars in the bank, the rising gas prices and food prices affect me tremendously, and I live below my means.  The economy has changed, it is not good.  I want to survive.  I want to know that my job is safe, if I need financial assistance to save my home or feed my kids that it is available.  There are more issues that hit home for me, just a few named above.  I do not care that the gentleman who started AIG lost 3 billion dollars, so what how many millions do he have left.  If I lose $100 that's a sore spot for me.  They are saving financial insitutions with buyouts, spending billions on a war, and nothing to help the working Americans who lost their job and lost their homes and they were working hard just to survive.


I'm torn in a sense, but I do feel sorry for our country.  How much more will we working Americans have to suffer. 


Just my thought, part of the money that is been sent to fund this war, can we have it here in America to give to our people who are suffering from natural disasters (hurricanes, raging fires, jobs moved overseas, and all the other major crises surrounding us).  What are we really striving for?


This is my opinion.....

From reading her thesis....she just made it sound like ivy league colleges are directed towards the "Whites" and wondered if it was really beneficial for "Blacks" to attend these colleges in a predominant white setting.  Stating that "Blacks" who attended Princeton found themselves grouped together but at the end of their education came to finding their way in the "White" world and forsaking the "Black Community."  How some "Blacks" felt guilt because they felt they should help the low-income black community and hadn't and others felt no guilt and strived for a position in the white world like Princeton was to blame for these "Blacks" building a life for themself and their family instead of putting everything back into the black community.


It sounds to me like Michelle Obama is a bitter and arrogant black woman and her involvement and membership at Rev. Wright's church for 20 years is just more proof of that.  As many times as Rev. Wright showed up in interviews and spatted hate and the empowerment of blacks against their white oppressors....you cannot tell me honestly that Barrack and Michelle NEVER heard any message like that when it seems like that is all that comes out of Rev. Wright's mouth. 


That is your opinion...
Obama doesn't know how many states are in the country he is actually running for President of. Joe Biden can't keep his foot out of his mouth.

Real Clear Politics has McCain ahead in electoral votes, and that is where the election is decided, not the popular vote. They are virtually neck and neck or within margin of error in Pennsylvania and Michigan...which nearly always are double digits for the Democrat at this time in elections. Just a little perspective on polls. That being said, polls are what they are. We will not know until election night.

deRothschild's remark doesn't mean as much to me as the "clinging bitterly to their guns and religion" comment of Obama's about Pennsylvanians...that is why he lost his lead in Pennsylvania and why it may very likely go Republican for the first time in how many years.....?

And that comment tells me all I need to know about the character of Barack Obama and how he feels about the common person out here in the flyover states.
My opinion

I voted for the first time in 1960.  The issue then was "Catholic."  People were "scared" of a Catholic president.........much like Obama being "Muslim."  Not much new since then except for the extensive media and internet.  Of course the "Catholic" won.  Some still say that election was bought by the Senior Kennedy.  I  happen to believe that now and I voted for him.  At that time I was a young voter, JFK was young, good-looking and talked a good talk.


You say the media picked their "darling."  I've watched TV consistently since the beginning of all this mess, starting with the primaries and I have seen no bias on CNN where I usually get my news and watch debates, etc. I did notice that Tom Tancredo (whom I supported) and Ron Paul were NOT given equal time in the debates.   Anything I hear that does not come directly from the horse's mouth, I research and make up my own mind, thus I consider myself about as well-informed as anyone can be who doesn't personally know any of the candidates.  I continue to be dismayed by posters on this board such as the above poster who says "Obama caught in the act."  If this is the kind of ill-informed voters who actually vote and elect our leader, God save us all.


The ACORN thing.  If I understand it correctly, the actual voter registration office that "discovered" the fradulent registrations is run by Republicans.  So there you have it again...Dem vs. Pubs.  They say they "don't have time to sort out the legitimate registrations"...Isn't that their job?  Do you REALLY think ACORN is the only one guilty of voter fraud?  I most certainly do not.  Why do you think both parties steer far away from illegal immigration?  Not a word have I heard from either candidate about illegal immigration.  Why?  Both are in favor of giving the free-loading, criminal invaders of our country "a path to citizenship," because both parties want the Latino vote, legal or otherwise.


To answer your question....I think our next leader will be decided by rabid voters who support the ticket, whichever group has the most rabid voters that actually turn out, and it looks to me like it may be the Republican ticket so it will not surprise me if John McCain is the next president.  I personally know many people who say they are not going to vote because they, like myself, cannot support either candidate.  I think there will probably be a huge voter turn-out and much of the turn-out will be newly registered voters and those who have bought into the Obama is a scary fellow campaign.  Fear is the scary thing, it brings out the fight or flight instinct just as it is designed to do in this election.  Seems many people can't see the forrest for the trees. 


VOTING WITH A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!!


So, did you have an opinion on
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Well if it is just your opinion then you need to say that
If it is not a fact that she uses her religion to gain money and power then you are slandering her without saying "in my opinion".

So you can post something hateful about aggressive women starting trouble and then needing their male counterparts to back them up, but when someone questions you, they are being over aggressive?


Everybody has their own opinion.
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My opinion is..........sm
that it is hateful in its message that basically ridicules Christianity and I believe it is hateful in the manner in which it was displayed right next to a Nativity scene. If the sign had not ridiculed the Christian faith and had been displayed in another area away from the Nativity, then perhaps it may have remained intact. For example, why not just say something like "Happy Winter Soltics" with the name of the organization at the bottom if they were truly just promoting the winter soltice and giving people information on atheist service organizations? The Nativity scene displays no hate language. It is a statement of the love of our God that Christians celebrate at this time of the year. Like GP, I think the atheists protest way too much over something they don't believe in. I don't believe in the boogie monster, but I don't go around posting signs about it.
That may be, but it is just that..HIS opinion....
and he is pretty much spot on. I listen to him whenever I get a chance...which is not often working during the day. LOL.
Well.......that's YOUR opinion.
*I* am not impressed by anyone who can only badmouth someone else.  If McCain has something better to offer, where is it???????? 
Yes, that is my opinion
and we are all entitled to our own opinion. I don't trust someone who is so evasive about his past, and will not answer questions thoroughly
That is your opinion
I don't agree with it. If killing any life is murder, than don't we all need to be vegetarians?
oh....so if an opinion comes from something other than...sm
some left-wing controlled media who is privileged to ride in Obama's private jet it is automatically discounted? Rense may talk about UFO sitings, but he also covers a variety of other things as evidenced by his home page. A journalist is not required to reveal his/her sources.....so says the LA Times. LOL
in your opinion...
What is the normal outcome of a pregnancy? Generally speaking, a child. Those two merged cells, if left alone, even by your way of thinking, will become a child unless someone screws with them. Perhaps, instead of teaching your daughter that if she becomes pregnant, that it is okay to stop this life from becoming the child that it should become, you should teach her to not become pregnant. There are other ways to avoid pregnancy than the pill.
just my opinion
I think American car makers will be forced to produce green cars by the government, and will not be allowed to fail, but forced to comply, and I will be the first in line to buy one.
my opinion on that -
My opinion is if they were taking naps and playing cards, then they were not needed. It looks to me like that kind of waste is what the problem is.

If they were only needed sometimes, then there should have be some kind of on call system or something so that they are not wasting their money paying them to take naps and play cards.
for m: opinion......s/m
You should broaden your mindset and not make generalized statements and then try unsuccessfully to retract them.
If I have sex and the consequence is a baby, then I and my partner created this child.
But, that is just your opinion, you have
can either give us a reliable source or just suck it up and accept the fact that he is still alive and well.
that is your opinion

based on your dark interpretation of facts.  I look at the same data - Obama's record, his choice of high-level officials and see a hopeful future.  What you believe and forecast is an OPINION based on a skewed filter, surely not accurately predictive.


 


that is your opinion

based on your dark interpretation of facts.  I look at the same data - Obama's record, his choice of high-level officials and see a hopeful future.  What you believe and forecast is an OPINION based on a skewed filter, surely not accurately predictive.


 


yup, it is and yours is your opinion
Facts are facts. You actually believe by picking all the same Clintonites that made Clinton's presidency a disaster, you actually believe it's now a hopeful future. Oh please, you certainly must have been asleep during the Clinton administration. Even some die hard democrats are coming out saying what in the world is he thinking. They follow that with "he's not thinking". What I see is that he owes everyone big time for everything he promised them and they've come collecting. I see the country is in for some very hard times. A lot of it is due to the idiocracy of the current administration, so Obama is going to be inheriting a lot of problems, but he has to be smarter than what he is and pick people who actually have knowlege of how to help rebuild our country. Not just give all of his little buddies jobs because they did favors for him and now he owes them. Facts are facts about Os connections/tie's, and past records. Those certainly will not lift this country out of the depression we are facing. All his promises he made while on the campaign trail? You can kiss them all goodbye, unless of course the people who lead him on their leash tell him that something will be done. And where is all that "bipartisan" he talked about during his campaign. His speeches of "I'm the only one who can bring republicans and democrats together" and "I will have people from both sides in my cabinet". Well at least he is keeping consistent with the lies he told. He's going to be so busy running around covering up everything he's done it's just going to be a disaster. All I say is I can't wait for 4 years to pass so that Arnold Schwartenzegger can run.
Just my opinion --
I think that President Bush has also encouraged congress to act on the stimulus measures so that when Obama is the acting President he can then already have the necessary funds in place to do something with.

At this very low point in our history, I don't think anyone should worry about who does what, but just that somebody does something to help Americans - if Bush wants to do something, then by all means, he should darn well do it. If the homeless man in the cold today can do something, then I don't care if he is an elected official or not, do something!!!

My opinion is I don't care right now who steps in and takes care of the mess, the people that created it or the people that are inheriting it, just as long as somebody takes care of it!
All I said was it was my own opinion
I was listening to McCain on C-span. What he said made sense to me about the American people know that the plan is filled with pork and items that are not going to stimulate the economy and we don't want it. The post was not about what has happened for the last 8 years. What I don't get is what is so hard to understand that the American people do not want to be paying for dog parks, birth control, and other useless things that do not create jobs. As for McCain being president - just was not in the books (and never was) and it had nothing to do with having a plan to stimulate the economy or not. P.S. - I really didn't miss the election results but they have been a bit misconstrued. Mr. Obama may have won 52% of the popular vote (which is only 7% more than McCain), but remember 37% of population of America that were eligible to vote didn't.

Besides, what does the current pork filled bill that Obama is presenting have to do with the election?
That's your opinion, not everyone's opinion.
Many people are very happy with what President Obama has done during his first few weeks in office, especially given the nightmare he inherited from Georgie Porgie.
Just my opinion
Just because some of us don't like him doesn't mean we don't support our country and hope that we can pull out of the mess we are in.  I don't like the guy, but pray that he will be safe, successful and stand up for the ones who need help.  What does liking the guy have to do with wanting what is best for the country?  You think we hope our country will go down in flames just so we can watch him fail?  Come on!
And I have the right to my opinion...... sm
but that wasn't the whole intent of my post. I merely added my opinion, as I am free to do, at the end. The point was what is the difference between what this woman did and an abortion? People seem to be clammering that what she did was murder, but if she had the money to go to an abortion clinic, the terminology would have been much different among those who, like yourself, are pro-choice.
Your opinion only. nm
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Not by a far cry is it her opinion only! ! !
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That was my opinion and...
you should keep your bible phrases for the faith board. I could say the same too.

P.S. - you really have no idea what party I belong to. Try none. Can't stand either and I don't believe either party is doing squat for the hard working American people and they certainly are not doing anything to help the economy. They are only doing what will get them re-elected. I have confidence in Obama. Never said any of this was his fault. All I said was his ratings are dropping (which they are). On the other hand... I have no confidence in congress/house. It is their fault.

Also, the democratic party are the ones who are pushing to give our hard earned money we work hard for to try and make ends meet...the democratic party is the one saying it's our "patriotic duty" (Biden's words) to give more to those who don't work.

So if I were you I'd keep your attitude for a true republican if I were you.
In my opinion....

this is political.  We have talked about gay marriage on here in the past.....why is this any different other than it has to do with a beauty pageant.


As for Bush and Cheney.....their interrogations saved American lives.  It seems to me that some of you care more for terrorists and how they are treated than the American lives that were saved.  Makes no sense to me at all. 


I don't agree with a lot of things Bush did.....particularly involving the economy and all the spending......but I stand by him in these interrogations and I think Obama is wrong in what he is doing.  I am seriously curious to see what Obama will do when we get attacked again.....because we will.  The terrorists will not stop until their mission is complete and that mission is to wipe us off the face of the Earth.  So when our defense sucks because Obama cut back the budget for that and we have no intelligence coming into our country and we start serving tea and cookies to terrorists in our custody.........what will ole Barry do then?  Will he get the same thing Bush did with the......there were warnings......you should have seen it coming, etc.  Or will you give him a free pass on that too.


The Taliban has already vowed to strike Washington.  It is only a matter of time before they hit us again.  This is another reason why I don't understand your stance on this.  You would rather protect terrorists in prison than protect American lives.  I truly hope and pray that no one you know and love is hurt or killed in the next strike.


my opinion
It is a very touchy subject, and like the poster above said it's not treating those who are gay/lesbians as equals. It is purposely trying to make them feel like 2nd class citizens. Similar to how the blacks felt before they were allowed to ride anywhere on the bus, and drink from any water fountain, and even go to the same schools that white kids go to.

Civil union is not acceptable. It does not give them the same rights as people who are married. I don't get the whole "we're defending the sanctity of marriage". I think that is just a bunch of crap. Does a gay/lesbian couple in Maine who get married affect the relationship of a heterosexual couple in New Mexico, or a different state have. No, it does not. If a gay/lesbian couple (who you don't know) are getting married and it really affects your personal relationship with your husband or wife then maybe your relationship with your husband/wife is not strong enough and you should not be married to begin with. My relationship with my husband is strong enough that it doesn't matter to me if my friend and her soon to be wife are getting married.

The best solution is this. John and Jane are human beings. They have human body parts and human feelings. They can see, hear, feel, and have brains and can think, and they are getting married. They live their lives in Maine and are a happy couple. Then we have Paul and Joseph. They too are both human beings. They have human body parts, feelings. They can see, hear, feel, and yes they even have brains and believe it or not can even think (imagine that). They even look like the other human beings too. They are capable of loving others just as John and Jane are. They live their lives in Kentucky and are a happy couple. What they do in their own personal lives do not affect how my husband and I feel about each other over here 5 states away. We can all say the marriage vows, and since none of us have ever been told by God or Jesus "personally" that it is wrong, since we are all human beings we should all be afforded the same human rights as any man/woman who want to get married. Everybody needs to mind their own business and stop telling others how they should live, and in return they will not be told how they should live. As for the interpretation the bible thumpers like to try to give...why don't we leave that up to the Creator when we get to that point. My feeling is I will be told that I was a kind-hearted person thinking of others and treating them as I want to be treated.

This whole "saving the sanctomony of marriage" (or whatever that excuse is) is just that. It's an excuse for people to treat others like they are inferior. It's just prejudice pure and simple. Nothing else.