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Yep, the above-mentioned was just put on MSNBC. Hardly digging deep for

Posted By: the news, which was my point. Better sources .. sm on 2008-09-02
In Reply to: Oh gee...that sounds like too much - FYI

exist, as you said, and I was hoping to alert someone to that with my post. Thanks for the support.


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Federal Grand Jury Digging Deep into Bush Crimes
PRESIDENT INDICTEDFEDERAL GRAND JURY DIGGING DEEP INTO BUSH CRIMES
By Greg SzymanskiA federal whistleblower close to the Chicago federal grand jury probe into perjury and obstruction charges against President Bush and others said indictments of top officials were handed down this week. A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office of the Northern District of Illinois, however, refused to confirm or deny the source’s account.

“We are not talking about any aspect of this case, and our office is not commenting on anything regarding the investigation at this time,” said Randall Sanborn from the office of U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, the attorney conducting the grand jury probe into whether Bush and others in his administration violated federal law in a number of sensitive areas, including leaking the name of a CIA operative to the media.

In December 2003, Fitzgerald was named special counsel to investigate the alleged disclosure of Valerie Plame’s name to several mainstream columnists, but the present grand jury probe has expanded to include widereaching allegations of criminal activity as new information has surfaced.

Although the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Chicago is staying silent, it is well known that Fitzgerald is digging deep into an assortment of serious improprieties among many Bush administration figures, based, in part, on subpoenaed testimony provided by former Secretary of State Colin Powell.

According to whistleblower Tom Heneghen, who recently reported on truthradio.com, Powell testified before the citizen grand jury that Bush had taken the United States to war based on lies, which is a capital crime involving treason under the U.S. Code. “Regarding the Powell testimony, there is no comment,” said Sanborn.

However, sources close to the federal grade jury probe also allegedly told Heneghen a host of administration figures under Bush were indicted, including Vice President Richard Cheney, Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Cheney advisor Mary Matalin. Heneghen, unavailable for comment, also allegedly told sources White House advisor Karl Rove was indicted for perjury in a major document shredding operation cover-up.

In recent weeks, there has been much controversy over Fitzgerald’s wide-reaching probe, which is extending far beyond the Bush administration to include what some have called “a wholesale cleansing” of a crimeladen White House and Congress.

Fitzgerald’s investigation is said to be also centered on members of the 9-11 Commission, members on both sides of the aisle in the House and Senate and also select high-powered members of the media.

Needless to say, administration officials are “fighting mad” with Fitzgerald. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts is trying to derail Fitzgerald’s probe by calling him to testify before the Senate regarding his true motives behind the investigation.

Political observers are now wondering whether administration-friendly Republican legislators, some under investigation themselves, are conspiring like President Nixon did in Watergate with Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox in an attempt to shield the Bush administration from prosecution.

In late July, reports about the recent bomb scare in the subway under the congressional offices at the Dirksen Building—coincidently near where Fitzgerald was holding his grand jury hearings—raised questions as to whether government operatives were sending the zealous prosecutor a “warning message” that he was entering dangerous waters with his investigation.

The bomb scare was reported to local police late Monday afternoon, July 18, causing the subway to be evacuated for approximately 45 minutes while bomb sniffing dogs and SWAT team members searched for what was reported to be “a suspicious package” left on one of the subway cars.

Fitzgerald began serving as the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois in September 2001. He was initially appointed on an interim basis by former Attorney General Ashcroft before being nominated by Bush.

The Senate confirmed his nomination by unanimous consent in October 2001. In December 2003, he was named special counsel to investigate the Plame case. Based on the testimony of ABC sources in late July, it appears that at least two close associates of Rove testified before the grand jury. One was Susan Ralston, a longtime associate of Rove and considered to be his right hand.

The other was “Izzy” Hernandez, regarded as Rove’s left hand and now a top official in the Commerce Department.(Issue #33, August 15, 2005)

Not digging
We are not digging up dirt.  The indictment of Delay, the investigation of Rove and Frist are happening now.  Dont need to dig, on every front page and new site.
I'm digging that 100%...nm

okay - I did some more digging and ---
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96M09BO0&show_article=1

This article states also that Stevie Wonder was receiving a congressional award and that is why he was at the White House that night, to get his award; it also said that the super bowl game was congressman; one other night was a band that played for a group of seventh and eighth graders for Black History Month; and the list goes on.

I will agree that not every night is hamburgers and hot dogs, but I also do not think it is just party, party, party like everyone is making it out to be. It's not like it is just their friends from home coming in, getting drunk, throwing an all-nighter...
You just keep digging in deeper.
Rev Graham and prostitutes...prove it.  As to the rest, I believe I made my stance on President Bush clear.  I am not real fan of his in many arenas, but because of that red haze of hatred over your eyes, you are incapable of having an intelligent cogent conversation with anyone. 
Not sure what you're digging for here, but...
That means that I am not a democrat. I am not a registered democrat. Frankly, most of them piss me off. So do republicans. I am, however, a liberal and registered as an independent. Towing party lines for the sake of doing so pisses me off too. I do not know what a "far left wing of the democratic party" is. I also have no idea what is or is not liberal about Obama. I lost interest in him a while back. Something about him bothered me, but I could never put my finger on what it was. No, not all democrats would say they are liberals.
Basically, that is what I am digging for...what you just said...
I am a registered Independent as well. I am a conservative, registered as an independent, and towing party lines for the sake of doing so is not for me either. When I said the "far left wing of the Democratic party"....I meant within that party are so-called far left wing, moderate Democrats and Conservative Democrats...according to the Democrats I have spoken with. And, as you say...it is the same with Republicans. Not all Republicans are conservative...Guiliani isn't. Thank you for your honest answers. Just trying to learn. Whatever we call ourselves politically, we are all Americans...just wanting to understand individuals and what they believe. Thank you again.
AND YOUR PURPOSE FOR DIGGING?
Do you really want to know the truth, or are you anticipating finding something to nail us with? If that is not your motive I apologize in advance. If it is, why don't you go on over there and straighten it all out?

Don't you think that our soldiers have a handle on this? If anything, why not investigate a population of people who would ALLOW AND ENCOURAGE children or teenagers to do these crimes? What kind of people would allow orphans to go homeless and go hungry? What kind of morals and integrity must they have?

Bottom line, a bullet or projectile kills humans just as dead if shot or left to explode by a 15-year-old as by an adult. They are lucky to be in that school and be helped by Americans or anyone else.
Keep on, go ahead. Just keep digging....
you are digging a hole your candidate will not be able to climb out of. Do you not think that all the mothers of teens who are pregnant or have had pregnant teens or were pregnant teens themselves are going to vote for a man who they think feels the way you people are posting?

Go right ahead. You will kill his candidacy. More power to you. Put it on billboards. Chant it in the streets. Take out TV ads. I wish you would.
Wow,...you just keep digging that hole...(sm)

In response to my question:  "How many times have you called an LGBT a bad name in front of your kids?"


You said:  "Lots of times."


STRIKE ONE


Since you don't "see or hear of any crimes against people who engage in homosexual behavior" there must not be any. 


STRIKE TWO


Again, you are waiting for the NEWS to tell you of these crimes and yet you sarcastically said, "Google can be as truthful as the media."  So, presumably you are waiting for the lying media to tell you a story before you believe it....   Please note this was in response to you asking for proof of crimes against homosexuals and me providing that proof. 


STRIKE THREE


Please do us all a favor and take your meds.


Okay, you're really stretching and digging now
I know all you have in your defense is using the word "pubs", blah, blah, blah, but in this case there are DEMOCRATS screaming voter fraud. They are the ones coming out in Ohio and other states saying ACORN is heavily involved in voter fraud. Ya know why? Because they are not wanting Obama in there and they have no problem calling them out. They are not going to stand idly by and let a more than questionable candidate run their country. These are Democratic election officials. What say you?
kind of like digging yourself out of a hole works?
x
An archeological team digging in Washington DC
has uncovered 10,000 year old bones and fossil remains of what is believed to be the first Politician.
We are in deep doo doo!

This country is crying out for help.  Government spending is WAY out of control.   This is one major reason that I am not voting for Obama.  In his charismatic talk of change, he is wanting to spend more money on these so called programs to help the poor and the middle class.  Raising taxes will not bail our country out of the situation we have found ourselves in.  All I hear about nowadays is how Bush has dragged this country down and now all republicans are bad.  Congress is controlled by democrats.  They are just as guilty in all this government spending crap.  All politicians are to blame for this.  Stop the outrageous spending!!!!!  Stop padding your pockets full of money while the rest of the country struggles to live!  All politicians care about is getting in office and making money for themselves.  Do they really stop to think about our country and the long-term effects? 


I don't know that McCain has all the answers to help pull us out, but at least I have more faith in him.  At least he isn't wanting to create government programs that will up the spending and will ultimately fail to achieve anything.  Universal healthcare is not the answer.  Doesn't work for other countries....why would it work for this one?  Everyone keeps saying how Obama will cut taxes....all of these government programs will not cut taxes.  They will increase them.....simple as that.


The true evil here is government spending.  STOP THE GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!!!  They can tax us until we have absolutely no money left whatsoever and the government would just spend it all and that is the problem.


Now there you go, off the deep end
as a person for a change, not a Republican, not a Democrat, just another person trying to make this a better place to live, trying to follow her heart.
Off the deep end a bit, are we?
we should not hand over the keys to the kingdom over to those who would turn us all into Disneyland denizens.
You need to take several deep breaths

you have let your perceptions get the best of you.  I was not aware, until this thread that Carla had lost someone in Iraq this year.  Some of us have not been here as long as others and don't read the hundreds of threads to pick these little nuances up.  I'm sorry you have such a huge chip on your shoulder, and if I offended Carla and you I'm sorry, but it still does not change my opinion on the larger issues at hand.


You really have blown some issues out of proportion, most definitely this one.


Someone here fell off the deep end
But that's OK, the moderator knows individual people are making these posts.  And one always has the option of emailing a poster privately and getting a response if they were truly concerned about someone's identity.  I suppose its easier on the ego to think one person is making these observations, instead of realizing several people are agreeing, lending more validity to the point.  I've had muliple posters disagree with me before, and never once jumped to the conclusion they were all the same person.  It caused me instead to ponder perhaps I was in the wrong...but I guess we all handle these things diferently, huh?
Totally digging the food safety overhaul - no more downed cows. Good job Obama! sm

I didn't vote for Obama, I was one of those on the fencers.  But I must say one thing I am impressed with so far is his complete overhaul of the US food safety system and the new rule of no downed cows being put into our food system.


Some things should just be common sense, and they weren't being implemented.  Good job Obama!


Going off the deep end, gt, getting even more bizarre as time goes by. nm

The deep south was on target ;-) nm
 
Fact remains...your guy is in just as deep...
and dirty, and McCain at least tried to head it off, while your guy became their #2 recipient. Now THAT is an INCONVIENIENT truth. lol.
You know better deep inside, which is why you're
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It's not hate, is deep concern
I don't hate Obama. I think he's a fine person. Great with giving speeches and beautiful family. Personally I will enjoy hearing his voice give a speech over McCains voice and was really getting sick of hearing "my friends" in every other sentance of a speech McCain gave. So it's not that I or others hate Obama. Unlike the hate we have seen from the other side.

What it is is very deep concerns that everything we have worked for and everything we aspire for and live for and save for and teach our kids is going to change for the worse. I do not think Obama is qualified to be president. I don't and that is my opinion. Evidently other people do feel otherwise and therefore he became president (which I still have doubts that a president is really elected by the people - I think he was already picked a long time ago). But my gut feeling is the same exact feeling I had for Clinton. He promised us so much while he was campaigning and once he got in he screwed the country royally. This is the same feeling.

I hope I am wrong and honestly if I am wrong and if he does do good things I WILL be on this board and admit that I am wrong. But at the same time when I hear and read that he is doing somthing wrong, not fullfilling (sp?) his campaign promises I will also be on this board posting too.

I will admit that I am not always right, but when I feel strongly and when I feel I am right I speak my mind.

My main concern is his redistribution of weath. I'll tell you if my taxes go up so that people like that girl (forget her name) who said it was a historic moment and never in her whole life did she ever think she would not have to work to pay her mortgate and would not have to work to buy gas - if my taxes go up so that way she can pay her rent and gas and bills because I had to put in an extra 10 hours of work to pay the extra taxes for HER!!!!! You can bet your you know what I'm going to be on this board screaming and shouting.

But DH and I were talking and we said maybe it is someone like Obama who will finally be able to do something right and fight for Americans. One never knows. So if he does I will come on and admit I was wrong.
This is off the deep end and it serves no useful purpose
If that is what you want to believe, so be it. I agree with absolutely nothing you have said and I also feel confident that I understand exactly what he meant and who he is.
How about something original...your wonder boy is in deep crap...
and he knows it...just 2 weeks in and already can't remember what he promised. The coming 4 years are going to be great to watch; the Messiah implodes, millions who have been hoodwinked will have their eyes opened and they will STILL blame Bush.
You know you'll drown in the deep end
/
Another deep political thinker
Obviously, one of those mindless lemmings the Democrats count on so very much, who will follow the Big BO right over the edge of the cliff, chirping merrily away all the way down to the bottom.
Lurker, Raven, you really went off the deep end this time. sm

This is from Dean's World, which is a liberal website, by the way.  Even this liberal doesn't agree with you. Your Bush Derangement Syndrome has taken an even darker and deeper turn.  You might want to spend more time watching the animals and contemplating where all this hatred comes from.  


November 29, 2003



Obnoxious


One of the more shallow memes of the current war goes like this:


Isn't it shameful that President Bush hasn't attended the funerals of very many of the service men who have fallen in this war?


Anyone who thinks very hard about this knows this is an incredibly shallow criticism. Otherwise, the great Generals and Presidents of history, such as Roosevelt, Eisenhower, MacAurther, Patton, Lincoln, and Grant would have never done anything with their time except attend funerals.


Still, if you need to know what history shows, then ask a veteran. As Gulf War veteran John Cole notes, no President has ever regularly attended military funerals.


That's right. Franklin Roosevelt didn't. Harry Truman didn't. Dwight Eisenhower didn't. John F. Kennedy didn't. Lyndon Johnson didn't. Richard Nixon didn't. Ford and Carter didn't. Reagan attended more than most Presidents ever did, but still usually didn't. Bush the Elder usually didn't. Clinton did a couple of times, but mostly didn't.


What if we go all the way back to Presidents like Abraham Lincoln, or George Washington? Turns out that they didn't either.


Why? Because if they did, they would do almost nothing else.


The President of the United States is the leader of hundreds of millions of people. Part of his job is to command hundreds of thousands of people in the military. The next time you vote for a President, I hope you think very hard about that, because that's one of the most important things any President ever does.


But one thing he generally doesn't do is attend the funeral of every fallen service man. Mind you, a good one wishes he could attend every such funeral. A good one feels it like a knife in his gut every time a soldier falls. But he can't be there every time a soldier falls. He just can't.


If you don't understand that, then, to be blunt, you lack maturity



It's called your brain. It's somewhere in that deep skull (nm)
x
And you are so deep in denial a forklift couldn't....
drag you out. Repeat after me: ohhhhbaaaamaaaa.

Gag me is right!!
and I live in the deep south so do not know any autoworkers - nm
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Very sincere here, I know the country is in deep trouble with the ......sm
constantly-growing unemployment lines, the banking crisis, stock market debacle, fall-out of our gross national product, growing mortgage crises, etc., but as much as I support our President and feels that he has the initiative, the drive, the intelligence, altruism, the humanitarianism, etc., to get this country turned around (and boy do we need a total 180 degree here), I really feel it is being pushed way too aggressively and hastily,.....haste makes more waste, and boy we do not need more of THAT.  I see many good ideas in the O plan,  and we certainly need a change in the banking laws, corporate tax structure, etc., but I have been reading as much as I can, and I have to agree with the moderate Republicans (is the sky falling yet?), there is a lot of JUNK in the Obama Solution that is really just contributing more to our national debt, and will not do anything substantial for the common folk, which is supposedly what this whole Bill is about.  There is suffering and people are desperate, but if we pass the wrong plan, we will be living with even more misery and debt that our great-grandchildren will not even be able to pay off.  Good solid social programs, yes, educational programs, yes, work programs, yes, help with our medical system, yes, but man, there are so many pet projects in their it looks like a lobbyist's dream.  Slow down a bit, think a lot more, and perhaps we can really trim that "baby" into a truly successful plan!!  Okay, off the , call me SCARED and confused, yes democrats have open minds and limits to spending!
i mentioned it before

and there was an outcry that I made it up.  I have no investment in it at all -- true or untrue.  I do enjoy novelty information, though, and thought others might enjoy it also.


 


Consider them mentioned
They're as blad as the Black Power people.  Not all blacks or all whites are lumped into the same mold donchaknow so don't be so defensive.
I have never mentioned anyone's looks!!! RU serious? never nm
some people are confused here
If you do all that you mentioned...........sm
such as paying your bills and providing for your family, then you wouldn't have to worry about the government telling you what you can or can't buy, etc. Only those who refuse to work and draw government assistance in the form of commodities would be told, in a sense, what they could eat. I look at it as an incentive to get folks to get jobs and provide for their families. In my opinion, if the government provides one's housing, medical care, food and other essentials of life, then the government has every right to dictate where one lives, etc.
CNN mentioned what?
?
Not deep, issue-based political discourse, is it?
It can be entertaining if you don't take it seriously though.
Unclench butt cheeks, take a deep breath, and
nm
Your deep-seated denial is purely pathlogic and
is very telling about how hard you work to keep yourself insulated from the truth. There is no reason for Palestinians to exaggerate the atrocious fatality figures. Besides that, a survey of multiple new sources both inside and outside the US reveal these figures are amazingly consistent. They are compiled by hospital and (nonpartisan) humanitarian workers and the Red Crescent (the Middle East's equivalent to the Red Cross) which services the entire region, including Israel. The figures are notoriously CONSERVATIVE estimates, reflecting reported deaths and nearly always are later replaced with high numbers once the dust settles on the carnage.

"Their word against ours?" How childish can you get? This statement strongly implies a person who is interested in covering up the truth rather than getting to it. Why would you do that? Who is "ours?" WE are eyewitness to nothing, except a sanitized version of US mainstream media war reporting.

Actually see the bodies? Ever since Viet Nam, we have not had access to those images because the government learned that if you show the carnage, it turns the tide of public opinion against the war.

Be careful what you ask for. I can hook you up with some links.
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/12/29/updated-gaza-massacre-photo-gallery/
http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/12/27/haitham-sabbah-photos-of-the-day/
http://www.ccun.org/Opinion%20Editorials/2009/January/2%20o/Gaza%20Massacre%20in%20Pictures,%20January%202,%202009.htm

About that hiding behind women and children crack/statement which you are parroting from the lying media mouthpieces. Gaza is the 6th most densely populated area in the world. There are 10,792 people per square mile in Gaza. Gaza is an occupied territory which has been blockaded for the past 18 months by Israel. There is no escape. There is no way out. And there is no possible way that Hamas (who live in Gaza and are citizens themselves) can NOT be among the civilian population. Weapons in mosques? Maybe. Maybe not. Where's the proof? This is the claim of the occupier. Sorry, I need convincing.

You're right. Bad guys don't always wear uniforms. Some of them wear suits and hide behind big impressive titles like prime minister, president, chairman and the like.
I fear this is just the proverbial tip of that immensely deep iceberg.
Is there no end to the felonius character of that man we used to call President of the United States?  Talk about Big Brother!!!  And to think those commenting on you earlier posting were paranoid about "Government" being involved in everything!  Kind of ironic!
Your name wasn't mentioned
I never saw the name gt mentioned in the post referred to.
Obama DID say what Sam mentioned!
nm
Thanks for sharing. All of this has been mentioned
before.  When one actually looks at the facts, it is hard to believe that there are still people who believe in Barry's false hope and empty promises.  So much for that change he keeps preaching about when him and his advisors are a big part of the current problems we have now.
I saw that mentioned last night

on TV.  I didn't see the whole video clip of them singing but the little bit I did see was enough to show me how eerie and just messed up that is.  This whole thing is just creepy. 


well you mentioned those countries
in reference to our new socialist societies and you brought up the revolution, so ...
They mentioned this story
on The O'Reilly Factor last night.  I saw the picture of her.  She says that she was at an ATM and was attacked by someone when they saw a McCain sticker on her car.  Bill O'Reilly mentioned that ATMs have cameras and they said the camera didn't pick up anything.  The B on her cheek was supposedly done by a knife.  Bill O'Reilly said that it didn't look like a knife wound to him and I must agree.  I'm a republican and I know that there are some wacko Obama supporters out there, but I just don't think this story is true.  We will see though.
I mentioned nothing of Obama--I said that anyone
who thinks that socialized medicine is a good idea...
You mentioned Wal-Mart....
Unionize Wal-Mart and there goes your low prices. You can't have it both ways. Why do you think cars cost so much? You really think it costs that much to build them? The costs for those contracts is passed right on down to us, the consumers.

As to the teamsters union...can you say organized crime? Jimmy Hoffa sound familiar? The only rich people in unions are the people in the hierarchy of the union, and how many times have we heard about them stealing pension money?

And Barack Obama wants to do away with secret ballot voting in unions. You know why there is a secret ballot? So the union organizers won't be able to intimidate people. I worked at a hospital that a union was trying to organize. I have experienced first-hand how union organizers work, and it ain't pretty.

That being said, labor unions in their beginnings were needed and were a wonderful thing. But like many other good things, they have become about money and power and the rank and file are WAY down on the totem pole.

Problem is, all those good programs, pensions and health care are paid for by we the people. That is why plants close. That is why businesses go overseas, because there is only so much we the people are willing to pay. Wal-Mart knows that, that is why they don't want to unionize.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Yes, why hasn't anything been mentioned about that?
She had the meeting yesterday with them. I didn't hear a thing about it.