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Posted By: Equal time, consideration given to all views. nm on 2008-09-02
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I lose count everytime I try to count the conservative posts on this page alone.nm
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Seeing as you are not researching
like you should before doubting there is coal country in PA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Region
http://www.coalregion.com/
http://www.hsp.org/default.aspx?id=89
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/10/23/karl_rove_coal_country_of_pennsylvania_is_where_people_really_do_cling_to_their_guns_and_their_faith.php
There are plenty more references and sites to visit. Maybe you should research before insinuating there is no coal country in PA.
researching the veracity of
dubious claims about president's whereabouts during 911. Not the MTStars board posters way.
researching the veracity of
dubious claims about president's whereabouts during 911. Not the MTStars board posters way.
And so are is researching the candidate's plans for the country
how can you ever vote for the RIGHT candidate?
Suggest independent researching of the issues raised here...
they are valid and should be looked at. Thanks for posting.
I appreciate the opinions, however;
as your fellow Ohioans voted him into the Ohio senate in 1996 has served six terms as congressman, it stands to reason your view is the minority. Viggo Mortensen was in NH speaking on Kucinich's behalf during the caucus, and it is my understanding the Melissa Etheridge is also a supporter. I just think your argument is a bit weak. If you want to discount him, attack him for his views or failed policies. I don't care if he is supported by people such as Willie Nelson. I happen to enjoy his music and his private life is exactly that, private; and I don't believe in guilty by association.
Hey GP - I always say we may all have different opinions
But we should all feel strongly about our opinions that we put our name. It's good to see you too GP. Like I say we may not always agree, but I read the posts. My husband always tells me "Knowlege is Freedom". I agree with you though, it is hard to tell the posters. I've been swamped with work lately and trying to play with my cat more. Poor thing gets so lonely. And I go through stages with being tired of being bashed, then figure I have a right to post my opinion. So now I feel the board is getting too filled with the lovefest crowd for the O, so I gotta bring the board back to being real here again. HA HA -I'm sure you'll disagree with me on that one though :-), but differences are what makes this country so great. So now I'm back to posting my opinion whether someone likes it or not. Someone's gotta stir the pot. HA HA. If I feel strongly about a topic or an article I find interesting I will post.
Well, you know what they say about opinions........nm
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Opinions
are like (you know what word), everyone has one. You just have to know where to look to defend yours. We could post others' opinions like this all day - it's not going to change my mind and I can see it's not going to change yours.
You're entited to your opinion and I respect that.
How do you know how I seek my opinions?
Just because I don't listen to far left, excuse the phrase, wackos, that have been discredited right and left does not mean I don't seek out diverse opinions. I read and watch a lot of opposing views. I will say that I have core beliefs in which I have made my mind up about and my opinion does not sway with the direction of the wind on any given day. I don't see anything wrong with that, and that philosophy has served me well over nearly a half a century of life, so I will stick with the tried and proven.
What are your opinions on Fla and Michigan
I keep hearing about HC wanting to push on getting Florida and Michigan votes to count, delegates to be seated, etc. While I understand about every vote should count and they should, I also understand that Fla & Mich agreed on this so that they could vote early (i.e. they broke the rules and were punished) and both sides (Obama & Clinton) agreed to it. I guess at that time she thought that the whole US was just going to vote for her and nobody would vote for Obama and now that she is seeing otherwise she wants to change the rules/laws.
Now I don't even understand why there is a meeting going on. Doesn't anyone just tell them...No! You agreed to this. You were told of the consequences and you agreed and now that your losing you want to change the laws to be put in your favor. Every time they don't win they want to change the rules, and I dont understand why they are not just being told "No". If they are so concerned about all the votes counting why didn't they just wait until when they were supposed to vote and not push it earlier. I can tell you - because they thought they would be winning more states and they didn't care enough about Fla or Mich to wait.
Now I understand that she is going to go to the meeting and push that even with FL and MI she doesn't have enough votes, but she's now going to push for them to just dismiss Obama (even though he has more delagates and votes, and states won), that they should just dump him and make her the nominee because she believes she can win over McCain. She really needs to wake up. She's just like her husband - a legend in their own minds. If she steals this from Obama and becomes the nominee (which I doubt very very much) but if she was to be able to finagle that so much dirt would come out going all the way back to Whitewater, Rose Law Firm, etc, etc,
Maybe what they should be doing is taking responsibility and telling the citizens of FL & MI the real reason why their votes are not being counted - because of her and her decisions she made and if they blame anyone they should blame her for not following the laws.
And on another side cannot anyone tell me why in the world Obama's name was not on the ticket in MI. I have not for the life of me figured out that one. Only her name was on the ticket? Helloooo....the last time I looked there were two candidates. Now they are trying to say Obama removed his name from the ticket. Yeah, right, tell me another one. I hear that and I think, what country do we live in where the person who wants to be president has only their name on the ballot. That's what I hear happens in Cuba, Russia and all those other communist countries.
When wil the insanity end?
I have every right to post my opinions :)
now I am finished with this really. these are my opinions and you just are not going to change them no matter how much you try to intimidate or try to demean me. your unkind words from the previous posts were all I needed to see. you came out as if it was you I was talking about so you must identify very strongly with this particular person. if that offends you - there is not much I can say, you are going to just keep on keeping on...
I still stick to my opinions from my first post, sorry you are offended so...
go ahead, have the last word...
Oh I see....just drive by and repeat the same opinions over and over.
Thank you for clarifying that for me.
So be it. We have differing opinions, both of us are entitled....
No matter who gets elected, I hope things get better for you. Sincerely.
You'll be waiting a long, long time, then, cuz she's going to do
No, I think the point is you don't seek out diverse opinions..sm
I watch Fox, listen to Hannity, O'Reilly, and many other conservatives (the ones that can be civil and are not self centered). I read and watch opposing views as often as I do amen columns/shows.
Condi Rice said at a graduation ceremony, (as I remember reading the article) *If you feel strongly about something (politically) that's fine, just seek out someone who feels the exact opposite and talk to them about it.*
GP is entitle to have 2 opinions on 2 unrelated topics.
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No, I watch the same thing, only I seek out diverse opinions.sm
In the past, I did not.
Here's a quiz for you: Name the best-known and most influential conservative commentators in America? Rush Limbaugh? George F. Will? Bill O'Reilly? Now, quick, who are their liberal counterparts?
Excuse me, I am intelligent, I listen to all of it, and make my own opinions....sm
STOP making the broad generalizations, it rates right up there with the "psychics and fortune tellers" who just know that Obama will fail and are actually licking their lips waiting for it. How childish. If you chose to listen to Rush and follow him, great for you, I guess. If I choose to listen to him and come to a divergent conclusion about his motives or veracity, or anything else about the man, I am also free to. You know the hold saying about ASSUMING?????????
Opinions on Hillary's proposed health care system?
Personally, I'm against mandatory health insurance laws. Look how mandatory auto insurance goes - you buy the cheapest policy because you can't afford the good ones. Your policy covers squat, but you're legal. I'm concerned the "affordable" health insurance she wants to force us to buy will turn into the same thing - a crap policy that covers nothing but keeps you legal. Does anybody else feel like I do about this?
Facts are always called opinions by the left when they refuse to acknowledge them...sm
The facts within the article are true. No matter how much you want to ignore them.
You are so blind.
He died a long, long time ago! (If he was ever
Don't force your beliefs on others. It further devalues your faith in the eyes of others.
Yup, don't forget to include the opinions of the criminally insane as undeniable truth....nm
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Count me IN!
I lived in River Oaks, (yes, it's possible), then west Houston for many years before moving to Sugar Land. Married to HPD, so I do have a concern about Sharpstown. He won't let his mother go there for Catholic Charities shopping, and quit working in that area long before we met.
I, too, remember when Sharpstown was "the place to move." A Radiologist friend of mine had a condo there and it went down the tubes literally overnight. It's a shame that it happened over there.
If you feel safe over there, God bless ya. If you didn't, I imagine you'd move.
But anyone stupid enough to think that someone in a little, bitty town can't get their head blown off by a nutjob is truly in need of an eye exam or something.
I feel safe in Sugar Land, but we have crime here, too. But there are enough sharpshooters on our extremely quiet subdivision to really help matters. Another plus is the master-planned community thing, which hopefully is catching on. But people rob houses, drive drunk, and all that stuff even in River Oaks.
I love living here, and was so proud of our city when Katrina & Rita hit. Greta certainly fell in love with our city, too while reporting from here. While crime is everywhere, Houston has always been a very friendly, welcoming city.
...don't count?
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Count me in!
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Count me there with you, Sam. s/m
An excellent post, I think you have set an example for your McCain supporters here. You can be sure that I will be right there with you holding Obama's (and the Congress's) feet to the fire
I'm going to back on out of here too. I think we all have our work cut out for us holding the politician's ....all of them....feet to the fire and there is nothing to be gained by keephing hashing over the old stuff. I think everyone "gets" it.
Let me count the ways...
1. Behaving as if he had a mandate from day 1.
2. Iraq, Iraq, Iraq and Iraq (this includes everything from the phony buildup to the quicksand of today).
3. Leaving Afghanistan to go to Iraq.
4. Tax cuts for the billionaires.
5. Restoring integrity to the WH??? Libby, Rove, Cunningham, Goss, DeLay, Cheney, Wilkes, Allen, Watergate redux (we are not only replaying Viet Nam, we are replaying freaking Watergate).
6. Staffing his cabinet with old fogies from his Dad and even Ford's time who see the world quite differently from what it has become in reality.
7. Gross incompetence in domestic and foreign affairs.
8. Making the United States a laughingstock.
9. Turning us into a third world country with outsourcing, offshoring, hiring illegal immigrants, importing much more than we are exporting, the glorification of cheap Chinese stuff at Wal-Mart and on and on....
10. Medicare fiasco.
11. Education fiasco.
12. The reuniting of church and state.
13. Job losses.
14. Healthcare fiasco.
Count me out of the collective *we*. sm
I am not living in crap.
Don't count Obama out yet... s/m
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There are polls, and then there are polls. Here's one that matters.
A new Des Moines Register survey of likely Democratic caucus-goers gives Barack Obama a narrow edge over rival Hillary Clinton, with John Edwards holding steady just below them. Obama is at 28 percent, compared with Clinton at 25 percent and Edwards at 23 percent. Obama's lead over Clinton is within the margin of error.
On the Republican side, Mike Huckabee, who has skyrocketed in recent Iowa polls, has overtaken Mitt Romney and now leads 29 percent to 24 percent. Rudy Giuliani is in third at 13 percent. Both parties' races in Iowa, which holds caucuses in a month, remain fluid, the poll suggests. And in Iowa time, a month is an eternity. Still, both current front-runners can find good omens in the results.
Obama leads Clinton among women 31 percent to 26 percent, the Register reports, a stark change from October, when 34 percent of women caucus-goers said they would vote for Clinton, and 21 percent preferred Obama. Women account for about 60 percent of likely caucus-goers, the poll indicates.
Huckabee leads Romney, 38 to 22 percent, among those who call themselves born-again Christians, who make up half of likely caucus-goers. Romney drew more support than Huckabee from that group in October.
Don't count your chickens...
I wouldn't be so sure about an Obama victory just yet. I seem to recall that not just four months ago, everyone thought the nominee was going to be Hillary and you see how that one turned out!
Look...Obama has 300...count them...
300 foreign policy advisors. If he had gone on a network that was not in the democratic pocket and had given an interview when he was 2 weeks into the process, he would not have done any better. He chose Joe Biden because of his LACK of foreign policy experience. You really think we didn't notice that?
If McCain (God forbid) keeled over in week 2 of his presidency and she became president, she would surround herself with foreign policy experts just like Obama would...and we get him day 1. He is no better prepared to handle a national emergency right now than she would be. That is fact, no matter how you dress it up.
She has never said she did not keep the money. What she says on the campaign trail is that she killed the bridge to nowhere. And she did.
I don't know anything about what you are saying about O'Reilly, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Obama was the consummate politician, hedged energy questions, hedged socialism questions, but one good thing came out of it...he did admit the surge had succeeded beyond anyone's wildest dreams, and that is SURE not what HE has been saying on the campaign trail. You can't have it both ways.
Obama has proven himself to be thoughtful, knowledgable, and decent. That could describe a lot of people in this country. Does not mean they are ready to be President. You can't have it both ways.
Of course she was heavily coached. She is trying to get up to speed in 2 weeks; your guy has had 18 months. lol. And for 2 weeks, I would say she is doing a spectacular job...and without 300 advisors.
Does an old Hippie count?
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Don't count your chickens...
...until they're hatched.
The timing of this whole Israeli mess is very interesting. Don't count out martial law just yet, in case there's a "terror attack" on the USA or some other scheme going on in Washington. 
You mean 14 days....you still can't count
At least we can count. Obama cant.
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Recount!!....I count 28 so far.
Barrasso (4 earmarks, $2.7 million)
Bayh (4 earmarks, $1.2 million)
Bennett (23 earmarks, $18 million)
Brownback (21 earmaks, $12 million)
Bunning (5 earmarks, $735,000)
Burr (3 earmarks, $1.3 million)
Chambliss (7 earmarks, $4.3 million)
Collins (1 earmark, $380,000)
Corker (1 earmark, $760,000)
Cornyn (5 earmarks, $2.5 million)
Crapo (1 earmark, $100,000)
Enzi (5 earmarks, $1.7 million)
Graham (14 earmarks, $9.5 million)
Grassley (8 earmarks, $350,000)
Gregg (19 earmarks, $10 million)
Hatch (7 earmarks, $700,000)
Hutchison (35 earmarks, $9.9 million)
Inhofe (34 earmarks, $53 million)
Isakson (2 earmarks, $1.4 million)
Kyl (3 earmarks, $5 million)
Lugar (10 earmarks, $3.3 million)
Martinez (8 earmarks, $18.8 million)
McConnell (36 earmarks, $51 million)
Roberts (11 earmarks, $2.2 million)
Sessions (12 earmarks, $4.3 million)
Thune (6 earmarks, $4.3 million)
Vitter (16 earmarks, $4 million)
Voinovich (6 earmarks, $13.5 million)
Let me count the ways
1. Really poor choice of Republican presidential candidate (republican lite).
2. George Soros's backing.
3. Mainstream media gave him a complete pass as far as any close scrutiny. Still are, although the honeymoon may be ending.
4. He's gonna fill my gas tank and pay my mortgage.
5. Political correctness.
6. The teleprompter.
7. Etc.
Count me as one who WOULD like to see them succeed (sm)
which, of course, would require that the bullies of this world (with the U.S. as #1) stop making it economically impossible with their embargoes, etc.
Yeah. Let's count them: First, we have the one who wrote for everyone to see
"I spent 19 years in the military."
It's not until someone thanked her for her service and asked what branch she was in that we found out that she was in a military FAMILY. Was that a lie? OF COURSE NOT AND DON'T ANYONE DARE SAY SHE LIED.
Another poster (maybe the same as the above) really displayed the extent of her intelligence when she responded to a poster by referring to their "vaucity." When asked what that meant, she responded by saying look it up. When a poster responded that she tried BUT IT ISN'T IN THE DICTIONARY, she replied that it's a "combination of 2 words" that can be found on blogs all over the net. (When asked WHICH 2 words, she couldn/didn't respond.)
Turns out, it was a typo and was supposed to read "vacuity." The irony was that she was trying to tell the original poster that they were stupid, but who REALLY looked stupid during all this???? Can she say it's a typo? NO. And as far as a "blog" term that doesn't exist, SHE DID NOT LIE, SO DON'T CALL HER A LIAR.
Best part is if a little HONESTY could be employed by these people, there wouldn't be an argument. It's absolutely honorable to be a member of a military family, and they, too make sacrifices and should be thanked for that. But it is NOT the same as saying "I spent 19 years in the military." I know people who actually DID spend 20 years in the military and retired at a very young age. Still, it is very honorable to be a member of a military family. At least in my eyes it is. Guess it wasn't in hers or she would have been honest about her role.
Also, instead of saying "I made a typo, and I meant to write vaucity," again, the invention of "facts" about a combination of two nonexitent words.
Another member of their gang... well, just go visit the Conservative board for yourself and read the entire thread about the activist judges/groups who are responsible for not letting the poster place a nativity scene in her own yard. She was questioned by someone, and it's not until the fourth post that she begins by saying, "I'll be up front with you." HOW NICE. It's quite comical. If you haven't read it, you should. Turns out it had nothing to do with "activist judges/groups" at all. BUT SHE DID NOT LIE!!!!!
When I come to these boards, I start out with the belief that everyone has credibility. It's only after they prove to me THEMSELVES that they don't, by their very OWN ACTIONS AND WORDS that they can't be believed, that I begin to form negative opinions.
What you wrote is a perfect example of someone whose credibility is definitely ... uh.... challenged. (trying to be kind)
And yes, LOL, I'd bet a psychiatrist could make a mint from some of these people.
And riled? Yeah, used to a little bit, but now I just find them more comical than anything. But I'll grow out of it like I did with the OTHER Curly, Larry and Moe.
Did you count the unnamed trolls?
Since you're into counting....that makes up the majority of the trolling that goes on on the conservative board.
That doesn't count, Democrat.
It never counts when they do it.
And the Conservative hypocrisy of the day:
They themselves posted this about Liberals: *If they dont' say it here, under a pseudonym, they say it THERE and then gather like little old ladies to chew the fat.*
Just take a look at the posts Nan... or should I say Brunson.. has posted over there today at the top of the board. 
Alright then...count all the glaciers why don't cha...nm
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OK. so education doesn't count and
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Life experience can count as much or more.
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Don't count your chickens before they are hatched
Truth of the matter is we don't know who will win. The polls mean didly. I've said it before and I'll say it again - They don't mean anything. Even Rasmussen was interviewed and he said you cannot tell by polls who is ahead and a lot of it has to do with the media and their love affair with Obama and how they are manipulating what they are feeding you. The real poll will be on 11/4 after the election is held or the next day.
Oh, and your comments can go both ways -
What's going to happen to the rabid democrats when McCain wins?
Will their anger fade away or are we going to see riots in the streets because a black man didn't win with Farrakan leading the way?
Will they accept a McCain presidency, or are they going to remaind divided like they always have while pointing the finger that the other side won't work with them.
What's going to happen when they find out that their "lord" Obama was actually born in Kenya and there is a birth certificate to prove it, which makes him disqualified to run as president. Will his good friend (the leader of Kenya) be able to keep this silenced for long. He already threw one person in jail for getting too close - will he be able to jail everyone who wants to know the truth.
Will Franks, Dodd & others who benefitted from FMFM and threw the economy into a near depression be men and own up to their mistakes or will they sit on their hands and continue to blame the republicans.
I don't have to ask if they will undermine the progress to make themselves look better. They have already been doing that and they will continue on.
Domestic terrorists you ask? We don't have to look any further than Obama's close friends William Ayers, his good freinds in Pakistan whom he spent time over there with, and his friends from the Muslim schools he attended while growing up as a Muslim.
If I had known back then what I know now about Obama, I would have voted for Hillary. At least we know about her. It's what Obama is hiding about himself that HAS to make you wonder.
The questions still remains...
Why do so many people not care if we have a president who has ties/friends to known terrorists?
Why do so many people not care that their taxes will go up and they'll be left with less money to live on.
Why do so many people just blatantly ignore the facts about Obama, which is NOT, I repeat NOT a good direction for our country to go.
Why do so many people not care if they elect this guy our country will be turned to a socialist country. Are there really that many of you that don't have a lot so you believe that the people who have worked so hard all of their lives should just give you part of what they have worked for?
Why do so many people not care what happens to our country?
Why do so many people not care that our country will not be safe anymore?
Why do so many people not even care about 9/11 and everything we have done to keep our country safe since then. Lets just throw it all away and vote in this radical muslim. Why? Because it's PC?
Why do so many people believe him when he says he won't raise your taxes, when in fact his voting records shows that he voted to raise taxes over 50 times in the past, but now that he's running for President and telling you that he won't raise your taxes you believe him? Why?
There are too many why's and such an unsettling feeling. Sure McCain may not be my first choice, but between the two he is the better choice.
The election isn't over, and its with views like yours that I hope martial law is implimented and McCain is placed in the position. If that happens it will serve you right!
I agree and count only your #1....the rest...sm
....to me, are the many ways that Obama has tried to paint himself, many only just recently as he has run for office of the pres....don't trust a single word out of his mouth.
He will screw us all over, just to get elected. Just watch.
That's awful!!! If ANYONE's votes should count is is theirs!!! sm
The government should have made absolutely sure our soldiers' votes were here on time and if not, dammit, we should postpone the election until they do. They are leaving their families and risking their lives to protect this country and they don't even get a vote on who runs it?? That has me fuming mad!!!!!!!
Yeah, they'll only count the ones for O
plus a couple for McCain to appear as though they are fair.
Another reason that IF O wins it will be a stolen election.
It absolutely should not count -- if she's gonna
she should at least have to live through the havoc he's gonna create like the rest of us.
I'd say the same about anyone who dies after they cast their vote but before the election. It shouldn't count. Where's the accountability?
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