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Now you're a polar bear lover?

Posted By: nm on 2008-10-13
In Reply to: Palin says kill all polar bears - hate drive bys

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Did you see that she had a polar bear lapel pin on today? Good job Sarah! nm
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You bear Thomas, we bear Ginsburg.
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If SP had her way, the only place we'd be seeing polar bears
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Sarah Palin vs the polar bears, despipte scientific evidence of their endangerment...as usual.
That's a fact. Oil over environment/polar bears.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/22/you-go-girl-alaska-gop-gov-will-sue-bush-administration-over-polar-bear-listing/

Yep. She as (Neo)Con as they come. Not just this issue. Pretty much across the board. McCain was trying to shore up that side of the party with her while at the same time reining in the Hillary supporters and women's vote. Where this logic is coming from is anybody's guess, but sounds like a Karl Rove stunt to me.
Palin says kill all polar bears
and ship all MT jobs overseas
Wrong. I love the environment, polar bears and
I read it before I posted it. I do no agree with her logic. She is talking out of both sides of her mouth like the bridge to nowhere thing (for it one minute, against it the next when that position became more politically viable). If she is so big on development, why did she strip funding from more than 300 development initiatives in her haste to exact revenge on her predecessor? Fact is, she has very little credibility as far as I'm for a number of reasons.

I simply provided the other poster with a link, voiced an opinion and left it up to to make up her own mind about the article. So...go crucify yourself.
Aww dang it! I looove polar bears. My boyfriend will fix that too! nm
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Bear in mind....
it is not the hothead in the white house who "pushes the button." It is your duly elected Congress. If the Dem majority can keep their collective fingers off the button it doesn't matter who is President. He cannot go to war by himself. I cannot see Congress, after Iraq, EVER agreeing to go to war unless we are attacked again in a very aggressive way and there is no doubt who did the attacking. But, whatever happens...it will be the decision of your duly elected Congress...not the President, whoever he or she may be.
We do have the right to bear arms in this
I said that because the poster made a comment and guns and ammo, so I told poster many people have that...what is the big deal? If you don't own firearms, that's your business but we do still have the right to have guns in our homes.
Well, the truth is probably hard to bear. sm
Until the administrator asks me to leave, I will just keep posting.  I am not making personal attacks against posters. I am following the guidelines.  Besides, liberals are the turn tail chickens.  I don't let people run me off!
Yes, they do need an egg. And a woman to bear the child.
talking about 2 men who want a child. The surrogate only has to be a woman with a uterus. Her sexual orientation, and even her marital status, do not matter. That does not constitute a 'sexual relationship', though. She is artificially inseminated. And of course there is also adoption.
What are you, a Mc Lover? or is there
an undercurrent to your meaning of "O" lover.  Get over it already.
"we" blame Bush for what he did wrong, sorry if you cannot bear to....sm
take the blinders off. I thought Bill Clinton was a great Preident and humanitarian, but a LOUSY husband, but the country did not marry Clinton, and the Pubs with Ken Star and his WITCH HUNT went after Bill for what he did in his private sexual life that had nothing to do with his job as President. Wow, we impeached the guy and spent millions of tax dollars doing it!!! Yay! But he still led us one of the most prosperous times in American History budget-wise, and if he is kinky in his bedroom, so what? Do you want someone in your bedroom? What do you guys use as a measure for success? Blind loyalty was what REALLY got all the people to drink the Kool-Aid down in Jonestown, and with all the denial about the Bush years, I feel like we are down there in that jungle.
Never was an O lover, but was leaning towards O
reading this.  Not all O supporters are cult-like.  It's just sometimes hard to see the light.  If only McCain would open up his mouth and fight a little.  It's an age old saying -- "The nice guy always finishes last." 
We know your beliefs....... O lover
If you're not an O lover, then one must be pyschotic. At least they're not led by a nose ring.
Aah, typical response from an O lover....
!!
I think this "O lover/worshiper stuff
comes from little chicks who aren't dry behind the ears yet.  I think the rabid Republicans are far more vocal than the avowed Democrats.  The person who called me "stupid" above makes me laugh.  A couple of things I've heard in the past few days although I haven't taken time to really research what is going on..........Caroline Kennedy to take Hillary's senate seat???  Chelsea Clinton taking the seat?? and....horror of horrors, out of Bush's own mouth, the possibility of his brother Jeb being elected to the senate.  I would say I am an equal opportunity politician hater.........Democrat or Republican.  We do not need Caroline riding into office on her legendary name and as for the Clintons and Bushes...well, I've had a belly full of both of those names. "Obama" is a welcome change of name although I am not happy with all the Clintonites he is appointing and I suspect he's affiliated with the politics of the Clintons and Kennedys.....maybe even with the Bushes. 

How anyone can defend the Bush administration is far beyond me.  I heard D*ck Cheney tonight, from his own mouth, when it was stated by a news talk show host that 2/3 of the American thought the Iraq war was wrong.  He gave his EVIL grin and said "so?"  Ain't that special!!!!!  That is exactly what we've had for the past 8 years from this administration and the last 2 years of the Democrat led Congress....."this is what the people want....." and they say "SO?????"  One would think that it's about time we have a change in leadership.  But then I guess some would consider that though to be "stupid."
no I'm not a lover but do like to stay informed.
I can only take about 5 minutes of bull*(#% a day though.
Obama lover's never see anything wrong with him.

We are talking about the president speaking at a christian school.  He knew where he was at.  Christian schools are going to have religious symbols.  It is a part of their school.  Frankly, as a christian school, if I had to hide any religious symbols just to get a speaker, I wouldn't have that speaker whether it was the pres or anyone else.


Someone to rule over us for her life time? I dont think so. Clarence Thomas is enough to bear with

Miers' Answer Raises Questions



  • Legal experts find a misuse of terms in her Senate questionnaire 'terrible' and 'shocking.'

  • By David G. Savage, Times Staff Writer


    WASHINGTON — Asked to describe the constitutional issues she had worked on during her legal career, Supreme Court nominee Harriet E. Miers had relatively little to say on the questionnaire she sent to the Senate this week.

    And what she did say left many constitutional experts shaking their heads.

    At one point, Miers described her service on the Dallas City Council in 1989. When the city was sued on allegations that it violated the Voting Rights Act, she said, the council had to be sure to comply with the proportional representation requirement of the Equal Protection Clause.

    But the Supreme Court repeatedly has said the Constitution's guarantee of equal protection of the laws does not mean that city councils or state legislatures must have the same proportion of blacks, Latinos and Asians as the voting population.

    That's a terrible answer. There is no proportional representation requirement under the equal protection clause, said New York University law professor Burt Neuborne, a voting rights expert. If a first-year law student wrote that and submitted it in class, I would send it back and say it was unacceptable.

    Stanford law professor Pamela Karlan, also an expert on voting rights, said she was surprised the White House did not check Miers' questionnaire before sending it to the Senate.

    Are they trying to set her up? Any halfway competent junior lawyer could have checked the questionnaire and said it cannot go out like that. I find it shocking, she said.

    White House officials say the term proportional representation is amenable to different meanings. They say Miers was referring to the requirement that election districts have roughly the same number of voters.

    In the 1960s, the Supreme Court adopted the one person, one vote concept as a rule under the equal protection clause. Previously, rural districts with few voters often had the same clout in legislatures as heavily populated urban districts. Afterward, their clout was equal to the number of voters they represented. But voting rights experts do not describe this rule as proportional representation, which has a specific, different meaning.

    Either Miers misunderstood what the equal protection clause requires, or she was using loose language to say something about compliance with the one-person, one-vote rule, said Richard L. Hasen, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles who specializes in election law. Either way, it is very sloppy and unnecessary. Someone should have caught that.

    Proportional representation was a focus of debate in the early 1980s. Democrats and liberal activists were pressing for Congress to change the Voting Rights Act to ensure minorities equal representation on city councils, state legislatures and in the U.S. House.

    They were responding to a 1980 case in which the Supreme Court upheld an election system in Mobile, Ala., that had shut out blacks from political power. The city was governed by a council of three members, all elected citywide. About two-thirds of voters were white and one-third black, but whites held all three seats.

    The Supreme Court said Mobile's system was constitutional, so long as there was no evidence it had been created for a discriminatory purpose.

    The equal protection clause does not require proportional representation, the court said in a 6-3 decision. In dissent, Justice Thurgood Marshall said the decision gave blacks the right to cast meaningless ballots.

    In response, Congress moved to change the Voting Rights Act to permit challenges to election systems that had the effect of excluding minorities from power. The Reagan administration opposed those efforts, saying they would lead to a proportional representation rule.

    Congress adopted a hazy compromise in 1982. It said election systems could be challenged if minorities were denied a chance to elect representatives of their choice…. Provided that nothing in this section establishes a right to have members of a protected class elected in numbers equal to their proportion of the population.

    This law put pressure on cities such as Dallas and Los Angeles and many states to redraw their electoral districts in areas with concentrations of black or Latino voters. The number of minority members of Congress doubled in the early 1990s after districts were redrawn.

    In Dallas, Miers supported a move to create City Council districts so black and Latino candidates would have a better chance of winning seats.

    She came to believe it was important to achieve more black and Hispanic representation, Hasen said. She could have a profound impact as a justice if she brought that view to the court. So from the perspective of the voting rights community, they could do a lot worse than her.

    White House spokeswoman Dana Perino also emphasized that Miers' experience was more important than her terminology.

    Ms. Miers, when confirmed, will be the only Supreme Court Justice to have actually had to comply with the Voting Rights Act, she said.


    Actually I don't think it's fair that smokers bear the brunt of paying for children's healt
    And no, I'm not a current smoker. It just seems unfair that a single group should pay for most of the costs. Why not tax soda pop or junk snack food? That's contributing to the childhood obesity episode - and poor health - so why not make those products pay for SCHIP?
    i agree - i am a lover and supporter of the obvious
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    Wasn't it an Obama lover below that said ACORN
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    Aaah, typical response from an O lover
    !!
    Doesn't any O lover feel concerned about all the

    No matter what O lovers say, he is Muslim through and through.  And he says nothing about all the Muslim "honor" killings in this country.  He hasn't condemned them one time.  Of course, by doing so he would condemn his brothers in Islam. 


    Muslim killings are an every day happening overseas but in this country they are growing by leaps and bounds and yet they get very little news following.  It gets hushed very quickly.   WHy is that?  There is no "honor" in murder and most all of us know that is murder, just some ignorant man using his loathing for females to murder them......even his own daughters.   How sick!   


    He's such a butt kisser


    Not bitter at all. BTW I wasn't a Bush lover, either! sm
    Just being realistic. If you would take the time to peruse the story in a way to inform yourself, you might not have taken this attitude. He said a lot in that piece that is totally obvious!!!
    Just like the criticism of anything liberal gets labeled Bush lover
    Those in glass houses best not throw stones.
    You're entitled to your opinion. I guess it depends on what side of the spectrum you're on.nm
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    We're not defending Bush we're pointing out the obvious
    All you see in your view is Bush, Bush, Bush. Nobody else exists. You have yet to answer any of the questions I posed yesterday. We're not the one obsessing about Bush. I'm sure you'll counter that with I don't owe you any answers! It's really telling that for five or six days this board was mute about the Israel/Lebanon situation. You were too busy posting trash news about Bush like nothing was even happening, but I know that the left has wait for its talking points. You all cannot formulate opinions on your own. You have boilerplates ready to go though. *This is Bush's fault because _____________ but you have to wait on Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. to fill in the blanks for you. It's not just a phenomenon here but with all the left. You can count on at least two days of silence when something unforseen breaks out in the world, because they have to retreat to their bunkers to get their talking points straight, but it will always start with *This is Bush's fault because....
    Hey, if they're smoking cigs, they're paying for SCHIP.
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    They're too lazy to show patriotism......they're waiting
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    So you're not racist but you're most definitely SEXIST and AGEIST!!!
    "Someone more in our age group..."

    "She should be taking care of her family."

    Your true colors are showing, and they're truly ugly.
    Just because they're LOSING doesn't mean they're VICTIMS.
    What is it with people these days? You think that just because Hamas is getting its fanny handed to it that that magically makes them victims, and we should all weep and throw cash at them?

    From the dawn of time, lesser civilizations have fallen to stronger ones.

    It's why the human species survived and the neanderthals didn't.

    It's why Rome conquered the Celts.

    It's why the Barbarians conquered the Western Roman Empire.

    It's why the British conquered the American Indians.

    It's why the Spanish conquered the Aztecs.

    It's why the Muslims conquered Israel the first time. But, since their societal progres seems to have permanently parked in the Stone Age, now Israel is conquering them right back.

    Deal with it.
    You're right. They're simply not worthy of a reply.

    They're not tax breaks....they're tax credits
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    I'm snotty, you're rude...we're even....
    My dearrrr....not everyone in this country pays taxes. So you are wrong there. Obama said "spread the wealth." From his own mouth. The interview in Canada...economic parity and redistribution. Words from HIS mouth. If you believed those words from his mouth as much as you believed other words from his mouth, you would know he is a socialist. Selective memory is a wonderful thing ain't it??
    You're right. They're all wack-jobs... nothing
    so they try to make themselves feel important by standing around on street corners with their posters and their dollies.

    Most of them are just buffoons, good for nothing other than being laughed at by the rest of us. But the ones that totally lose all reason, and go so far as to shoot people (in a church of all places...) is pretty off the deep end.
    You're a liar. GT didn't curse. You're a filthy liar, but you are a gift from God.
    God sent you here to as a constant reminder of the kind of person I DON'T want to be and if I ever have a bad day when I feel temporarily stupid, all I have to do is read your posts, and I realize there are those out there who are much worse off than I am and for them it's not temporary.
    They're doing to this board what they're trying to do

    to the whole country.  They're trying to take it over.  They want to control which God you believe in, who you love and what you do with your body, be it regarding life or regarding death.  If you don't voluntarily agree to turn your free will over to their control, they will hunt you down and nag you to death (since they can't do anything more violent on a message board).  It's obvious they are sick, sick people and need major help.


    But they ARE like watching a car wreck and are sometimes hard to ignore.


    I've thought about it, and for me personally, the very best thing to do is ignore them and for 2 reasons: 


    1.  Ignoring them and not reading their posts makes my visit on this board much more pleasant.  I already know I'm not missing anything because there isn't one post on this entire board written by them that has contributed anything of value or intelligence.


    2.  If we all refuse to read and respond to their posts, they might give up and go find another board to terrorize.  I doubt that, though, because they've taken over this board and simply don't have the CLASS to leave.  They take pride in their bully on the playground mentality and are proud of their ignorant behavior.  They will probably just continue to pat themselves on their backs on this board.  The only thing that might startle them and cause them to stop is that the NUMBER of posts on the Liberal board are starting to increase heavily as a direct result of their posting.  In the past, they've used the Liberal board's lower numbers to trash us for not being as interesting, when, in fact, the CON board must be pretty boring if they are always choosing to be HERE instead.


    Like I said, I've decided that I'd like my visits here to be pleasant, so I'm just going to stop subjecting myself to their cesspools of attacks.  They've proven their posts aren't worth wasting time reading, so I'm just going to stop and will feel much better as a result of stopping.


    Your not you're. I hope you're not an MT. nm
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    They're children, though. They're not
    adults.  Mom and Dad need to know these things even if only to possibly prevent problems later. 
    You're welcome.

    If I find anything, I'll be sure to post it, but I doubt he's going to be saying much.  I think he understandably wants to distance himself as far away from this administration as he can. 


    I wish he would run for President.  I'd very proudly vote for him in a heartbeat!  I'd finally be able to vote for the best candidate instead of the least worst one. 


    I agree with you, and I admire and respect him very much.


    So I take it you're on your
    so you don't mind your grandchildren paying their fair share, right?

    Bush Tax Cuts = Tax Shifts
    UFE Report: Tax Burden Shifting off Wealthy onto Everyone Else

    $197 Billion in Tax Cuts to Top 1% of US Taxpayers as Big as States’ Budget Shortfalls of $200 Billion

    BOSTON — A new report, entitled “Shifty Tax Cuts: How They Move the Tax Burden off the Rich and onto Everyone Else,” from United for a Fair Economy (UFE) indicates that between 2002 and 2004, the Bush tax cuts to the top 1% of US income earners redirected billions of dollars in revenue that could have eliminated virtually all of the budget shortfalls in the states.

    “Congress had the option to send aid to the states to prevent $200 billion worth of service cuts and regressive tax increases,” said Chris Hartman, UFE’s research director. “Instead, they gave tax breaks totaling roughly the same amount to multi-millionaires and the rest of the top 1%.”

    The report identifies five main areas of shifting tax burden:

    FEDERAL TO STATE — a 15% shift in tax burden between 2000 and 2003

    PROGRESSIVE TO REGRESSIVE — at the federal level, a 17% decline in the share of revenue from progressive taxes and a 135% increase in the share of revenue from regressive taxes since 1962

    WEALTH TO WORK — A tax cut on unearned income — such as inheritance or investment — of between 31% and 79%, but a tax hike on work income of 25% since 1980

    CORPORATIONS TO INDIVIDUALS — a 67% drop in the share of federal revenues contributed by corporations and a 17% rise in individuals’ share

    CURRENT TAXPAYERS TO FUTURE GENERATIONS — record deficits that shift the tax burden to our children and grandchildren

    “When President Bush and Congress trumpet, ‘Here’s a tax cut', we say, ‘Taxpayer beware!’ said Chuck Collins, United for a Fair Economy co-founder. “Unless you are super-rich, it’s a tax SHIFT, not a cut. Non-wealthy taxpayers will pay for these tax cuts with increased state and local taxes or cuts in public services.”

    “Between 2002 and 2004, a full $197 billion in new tax breaks went to the top 1% of American taxpayers,” Hartman commented. “This is money that has disappeared into the pockets of the very wealthy, making it unavailable to solve ongoing budget crises at the state and local levels.”

    “I got a rebate check last summer for $400,” said Collins. “Then my eight-year-old’s public school asked me to contribute money to replace worn-out chairs for the students. At the same time, I found out they laid off the librarian because of budget cuts. What good is a $400 tax cut when parents have to cough up additional money for chairs and books or else see their children go without?”

    The report concludes that the total federal, state and local tax burden has become increasingly the responsibility of middle-and low-income families in recent decades, and that revenues being generated by taxes are not sufficient to pay for existing public services. Work in particular is being taxed at a higher rate than investment. “I do a lot of work in predominantly Latino areas of Boston,” said UFE Education Specialist Gloribell Mota. “Residents there are the working poor — they have jobs and pay taxes — yet are getting pennies in tax cuts and seeing health care services they depend on slashed.”

    “The Bush administration has followed a strategy of starving public services by pulling tax money away from education and housing and giving it away to multi-millionaires,” said Karen Kraut, UFE’s State Tax Partnership director. “States are suffering as a result, and people are going without essential services in order to fund the lifestyles of the rich.”

    The report calls for tax reforms to improve the fairness of tax distribution and ensure adequate revenues. Concerned Americans are urged to pass resolutions in their cities and towns to stop the tax cuts and restore local services that have been affected, to call and write their congressional representatives to take action to stop the cuts, and to sign the Tax Fairness Pledge at www.ResponsibleWealth.org/taxpledge.

    The co-authors of the report are Chuck Collins, UFE Co-founder; Chris Hartman, UFE Research Director; Karen Kraut, Director of UFE’s State Tax Partnerships; and Gloribell Mota, UFE Education Specialist.

    United for a Fair Economy is an independent national non-profit that raises awareness of growing economic inequality.

    You're not getting it
    if the Attorney POCKETS most of the winnings how are they any better than the greedy corporations?  Since you think one is more morally ethical than the other eventhough they may both be doing THE SAME EXACT THING....then the debate has ended as far as I'm concerned.
    I never said don't come over there, you're the one
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    You're welcome.
    Have a great day.
    You're welcome.
    I didn't know it existed, either, but I think it's a really great site and wanted to pass it on.  Some of these guys have said they're afraid to speak the truth and feel they're taking a chance by doing so.   
    You're welcome, gt.

    You're welcome and you're right.

    You're right.

    It's clear the ONLY people who have true freedom of speech and freedom of thought in this country are Bush disciples.  In addition, they have the freedom to lie to the rest of America.


    Don't despair.  It won't be long before a Pat Robertsonesque appointee thug of Bush will be seizing my computer, bugging my phone and knocking at my door, ready to lock me up simply because I express my distaste for a President who is incapable of telling the truth to ANYONE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, as he wraps himself in the Holy Bible and American Flag.  His enemies aren't *terrorists.*  If they were, I wouldn't be able to get on a plane now with a knife again.


    His enemies are Americans who have the audacity to pay attention, think freely and voice their opinions.


    My freedom of speech, free thought, expression, religion, ETC. is about to come to a screeching halt very soon.


    You'd better hope you continue to obey the master, remain in step and NEVER stray from the flock.  Otherwise, the next freedom-ending screech I hear could be YOURS.


    Yes, you're right; I'm sure
    their eye on me as well! What I find most pitiful is YOUR lack of outrage. Too much Kool-Aid, I guess. What will it take before you see what **King George** has done and continues to do to this country?