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Actually I don't think it's fair that smokers bear the brunt of paying for children's healt

Posted By: ChiaPet on 2009-01-14
In Reply to: That's 3 Obama's gotten right..(sm) - Just the big bad

And no, I'm not a current smoker. It just seems unfair that a single group should pay for most of the costs. Why not tax soda pop or junk snack food? That's contributing to the childhood obesity episode - and poor health - so why not make those products pay for SCHIP?


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So you still think that children are fair game...
I would say that definitely has to do with bottom feeders. But if Obama's followers continue this...it will not help his case with the average American and he knows it. He is asking you not to deep six is campaign. I, however, say go for it. Smear and fear, go after Palin and her pregnant daughter. get right down there on the bottom and chomp.
You bear Thomas, we bear Ginsburg.
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smokers

Do you know what?  Aside from the retired who are drawing social security, I can name only 1 person I know who draws a monthly check from the government (and I know quite a few) who does NOT smoke.  That is a lot of cigarettes being bought with tax dollars.  It's disgusting and it is WRONG.  I work VERY hard and even if I wanted to, I can't afford to smoke. 


Elitist my a$$.


This has NOTHING to do with whether you have sympathy for smokers or not.
There's a much more fundamental principle involved here.
regular pot smokers have less of every disease.
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But that still doesn't say WHY smokers should pay for this whole program?? sm
You are taxing 20% (at most) of the nation to pay for this program. IT'S NOT FAIR - tax junk food, soda, sugar products to spread it around.
And what happens when more smokers quit? Who is going to pay for the unfunded sm
mandate then? I say spread the pain around now and find a viable way of paying for the program.
Fair enough....notice especially the word FAIR. nm
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The amount of $$ paid out in benefits to smokers
the amount of tax revenue generated by the sale of tobacco. You don't seem to protest too loudly when it comes time to spend it and waste no time marginalizing and bashing people with an addiction. These are tired tactics designed to take the focus off of the REAL issues raised in this thread with regard to the economy and differences between party platforms, policies and plans. Just how long do ou think pubs can run and hide from the fact that what they have to offer is EXACTLY the same thing as what we all are running fast and far away from? Careful, your desperation is showing.
Bear in mind....
it is not the hothead in the white house who "pushes the button." It is your duly elected Congress. If the Dem majority can keep their collective fingers off the button it doesn't matter who is President. He cannot go to war by himself. I cannot see Congress, after Iraq, EVER agreeing to go to war unless we are attacked again in a very aggressive way and there is no doubt who did the attacking. But, whatever happens...it will be the decision of your duly elected Congress...not the President, whoever he or she may be.
We do have the right to bear arms in this
I said that because the poster made a comment and guns and ammo, so I told poster many people have that...what is the big deal? If you don't own firearms, that's your business but we do still have the right to have guns in our homes.
Early studies show that regular smokers of pot, (don't know...sm
how regular regular is), seem to have less incidence of Alzheimer disease. If true, an interesting tidbit I thought.
Well, the truth is probably hard to bear. sm
Until the administrator asks me to leave, I will just keep posting.  I am not making personal attacks against posters. I am following the guidelines.  Besides, liberals are the turn tail chickens.  I don't let people run me off!
Yes, they do need an egg. And a woman to bear the child.
talking about 2 men who want a child. The surrogate only has to be a woman with a uterus. Her sexual orientation, and even her marital status, do not matter. That does not constitute a 'sexual relationship', though. She is artificially inseminated. And of course there is also adoption.
Now you're a polar bear lover?
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"we" blame Bush for what he did wrong, sorry if you cannot bear to....sm
take the blinders off. I thought Bill Clinton was a great Preident and humanitarian, but a LOUSY husband, but the country did not marry Clinton, and the Pubs with Ken Star and his WITCH HUNT went after Bill for what he did in his private sexual life that had nothing to do with his job as President. Wow, we impeached the guy and spent millions of tax dollars doing it!!! Yay! But he still led us one of the most prosperous times in American History budget-wise, and if he is kinky in his bedroom, so what? Do you want someone in your bedroom? What do you guys use as a measure for success? Blind loyalty was what REALLY got all the people to drink the Kool-Aid down in Jonestown, and with all the denial about the Bush years, I feel like we are down there in that jungle.
Did you see that she had a polar bear lapel pin on today? Good job Sarah! nm
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Someone to rule over us for her life time? I dont think so. Clarence Thomas is enough to bear with

Miers' Answer Raises Questions



  • Legal experts find a misuse of terms in her Senate questionnaire 'terrible' and 'shocking.'

  • By David G. Savage, Times Staff Writer


    WASHINGTON — Asked to describe the constitutional issues she had worked on during her legal career, Supreme Court nominee Harriet E. Miers had relatively little to say on the questionnaire she sent to the Senate this week.

    And what she did say left many constitutional experts shaking their heads.

    At one point, Miers described her service on the Dallas City Council in 1989. When the city was sued on allegations that it violated the Voting Rights Act, she said, the council had to be sure to comply with the proportional representation requirement of the Equal Protection Clause.

    But the Supreme Court repeatedly has said the Constitution's guarantee of equal protection of the laws does not mean that city councils or state legislatures must have the same proportion of blacks, Latinos and Asians as the voting population.

    That's a terrible answer. There is no proportional representation requirement under the equal protection clause, said New York University law professor Burt Neuborne, a voting rights expert. If a first-year law student wrote that and submitted it in class, I would send it back and say it was unacceptable.

    Stanford law professor Pamela Karlan, also an expert on voting rights, said she was surprised the White House did not check Miers' questionnaire before sending it to the Senate.

    Are they trying to set her up? Any halfway competent junior lawyer could have checked the questionnaire and said it cannot go out like that. I find it shocking, she said.

    White House officials say the term proportional representation is amenable to different meanings. They say Miers was referring to the requirement that election districts have roughly the same number of voters.

    In the 1960s, the Supreme Court adopted the one person, one vote concept as a rule under the equal protection clause. Previously, rural districts with few voters often had the same clout in legislatures as heavily populated urban districts. Afterward, their clout was equal to the number of voters they represented. But voting rights experts do not describe this rule as proportional representation, which has a specific, different meaning.

    Either Miers misunderstood what the equal protection clause requires, or she was using loose language to say something about compliance with the one-person, one-vote rule, said Richard L. Hasen, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles who specializes in election law. Either way, it is very sloppy and unnecessary. Someone should have caught that.

    Proportional representation was a focus of debate in the early 1980s. Democrats and liberal activists were pressing for Congress to change the Voting Rights Act to ensure minorities equal representation on city councils, state legislatures and in the U.S. House.

    They were responding to a 1980 case in which the Supreme Court upheld an election system in Mobile, Ala., that had shut out blacks from political power. The city was governed by a council of three members, all elected citywide. About two-thirds of voters were white and one-third black, but whites held all three seats.

    The Supreme Court said Mobile's system was constitutional, so long as there was no evidence it had been created for a discriminatory purpose.

    The equal protection clause does not require proportional representation, the court said in a 6-3 decision. In dissent, Justice Thurgood Marshall said the decision gave blacks the right to cast meaningless ballots.

    In response, Congress moved to change the Voting Rights Act to permit challenges to election systems that had the effect of excluding minorities from power. The Reagan administration opposed those efforts, saying they would lead to a proportional representation rule.

    Congress adopted a hazy compromise in 1982. It said election systems could be challenged if minorities were denied a chance to elect representatives of their choice…. Provided that nothing in this section establishes a right to have members of a protected class elected in numbers equal to their proportion of the population.

    This law put pressure on cities such as Dallas and Los Angeles and many states to redraw their electoral districts in areas with concentrations of black or Latino voters. The number of minority members of Congress doubled in the early 1990s after districts were redrawn.

    In Dallas, Miers supported a move to create City Council districts so black and Latino candidates would have a better chance of winning seats.

    She came to believe it was important to achieve more black and Hispanic representation, Hasen said. She could have a profound impact as a justice if she brought that view to the court. So from the perspective of the voting rights community, they could do a lot worse than her.

    White House spokeswoman Dana Perino also emphasized that Miers' experience was more important than her terminology.

    Ms. Miers, when confirmed, will be the only Supreme Court Justice to have actually had to comply with the Voting Rights Act, she said.


    fair and balanced . . . fair and

    balanced . . . we're looking out for YOU . . . we're looking out for the FOLKs . . . fair and balanced . . .


     


    whats fair is fair
    Truth is, what is good for one is good for the other.  If Palin puts herself out there, she is a target.  But then so is Obama.  The problem is that when you say anything about O people go crazy.  When someone says something about Palin, its just true. 
    According to that., I would also be paying...
    less, but the difference is minimal. There are so many disclaimers on the site I don't know if I believe it anyway...however, what you have to take into consideration along with this, is all the programs he is proposing to the billions of dollars. Look at our economy now. I don't think he can deliver on any of it without sending us into another financial crisis. Either of them actually. So what I am looking at is who can do the best with what he is going to be faced with. I believe McCain and his reforming agenda, his history (he saw this fannie/freddie debacle coming years ago and the Dems pooh-poohed him)...that is the experience and track record I want to see.


    why would we be paying for it?
    I am not talking about a low income clinic, I am talking about a regular gynecology office. When I took my daughter in for visits, I did not ask the taxpayers to pay for it. I paid my copay and filed it on my insurance -

    I don't think we pay for everybody's medical care - that would be socialism, remember?
    How about paying for good
    So much for exporting Democracy.



    U.S. paid for Iraqi praise, paper says

    BY LOLITA C. BALDOR
    ASSOCIATED PRESS

    December 1, 2005

    WASHINGTON -- The U.S. military offered a mixed message Wednesday about whether it embraced one of its programs that reportedly paid a consulting firm and Iraqi newspapers to plant favorable stories about the war and the rebuilding effort.

    Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, a military spokesman in Iraq, said the program is an important part of countering misinformation in the news by insurgents. A spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, however, called a report detailing the program troubling if true and said he was looking into the matter.

    This is a military program initiated with the Multi-National Force to help get factual information about ongoing operations into Iraqi news, Johnson said in an e-mail.

    Details about the program were first reported Wednesday by the Los Angeles Times. It was the second time this year that Pentagon programs have come under scrutiny for reported payments made to journalists for favorable press.

    Two other federal agencies have been investigated in the past year for similar activities, leading Congress' Government Accountability Office to condemn one -- the Education Department -- for engaging in illegal covert propaganda.

    Military officials who spoke to the Times on condition of anonymity said the Information Operations Task Force, based in Baghdad, bought an Iraqi newspaper and took over a radio station to put out pro-U.S. messages. Neither outlet was named out of fear that they would be targeted by insurgents, the newspaper said.

    The stories in Iraqi newspapers often praise the efforts of U.S. and Iraqi troops, denounce terrorism and promote Iraq reconstruction efforts.

    The Times quoted unnamed officials as saying some of the stories in Iraqi newspapers were written by U.S. troops and though basically factual, they sometimes give readers a slanted view of what is happening.

    Defense Department officials didn't deny the report.

    Rumsfeld spokesman Bryan Whitman said, so this article raises some question as to whether or not some of the practices that are described in there are consistent with the principles of this department.

    The Pentagon hired the Lincoln Group, a Washington-based firm that translates the stories into Arabic and places them in Baghdad newspapers, the newspaper said. Lincoln's staff or subcontractors in Iraq occasionally pose as freelance reporters or advertising executives when they hand stories to Iraqi news outlets, it said.

    Laurie Adler, a spokeswoman for the Lincoln Group, said Wednesday she couldn't comment on the contract because it is with the U.S. government.

    Copyright © 2005 Detroit Free Press Inc
    If you live on the GC, you were paying about
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    My dear, you will not be paying any
    more taxes than they paid in the 1990s, and I can't feel sorry for you. 250K is a lot of money.  Our country is under seige by big business, and you feel sorry for yourself that you might have to pay your fair share.  My DH and I work our butts off for 60K a year, and we pay 20% to 25% in taxes, but we don't whine about it.  However, it would be nice to get a break.
    Paying for it is a problem
    I already have almost $20,000 in student loans and I'm still a year or two away from a bachelor's. And I am attending a little podunk school in South Georgia! But through the pell grant I was able to take a year and get my MT certification through the community college, and while it wasn't Andrews or MTech, I still received a good education and I make a decent living for a newbie who is still taking classes. There are a lot of grants and what not out there that you can use to take classes for free if you can keep up the grades. And it may be something the candidates need to look into. Maybe instead of just handing out checks to be used however, they can put them towards paying for education for people who can't afford it.

    You don't have to have a bachelor's to make a decent living. You can go to school to be an auto mechanic, a paralegal, a respiratory therapist, etc. Most of these only take a year or two, and they will give you a lot more money than being on welfare. Plus, there are many online accredited schools now that take financial aid that parents can use if they can't physically go to class because of kids, etc.

    90% of the time, it is the lack of will on the persons part that keeps them where they are. Just giving them more money is an incentive to stay down. That is why the welfare system is so horrible. There needs to be case workers who are working with these people and helping them get off of welfare. If they are on welfare and driving a BMW and can afford cable, internet, etc, then there is a problem. Something is fishy about that.

    I know there are people who legitimately need help, and they deserve it. But for the most part, people are just to lazy, or don't care, and they just stay right where they are, never trying to better themselves. NO ONE should have to take care of them.
    No, was just stating that we are still paying them...
    its not like they are not getting an income while they are campaigning.

    The point was that he could share his own wealth if he wanted to without being forced to by the government...lead by example, before he forces the rest of us to join in whether we want to or not.


    what are you talking about? Are you saying paying
    taxes is stealing? Don't get your post.


    With all the not paying of taxes going on...
    I think maybe an audit of all politicians should be undertaken?  LOL!  Sheesh....then again....I'd hate to see actually how many of them are screwing us even more by not paying taxes.  Yeeks!!!
    My point was that they are not paying for anything...
    I quit smoking to save money and take offense to paying for someone else to continue.
    No more than I mind paying for yours.
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    We are literally paying for their
    countries defense.  We are ultimately paying for our own self destruction.  China doesn't like us.  They have been civil because the US has controlled the seas for so long and we had an awesome military and great defense.  Now Obama is wanting to cut back on our countries defense and sit down and talk with countries while China gets more of our money to go towards its own defense.  If they take control of the seas and have a greater military force than we do.....do you honestly think they will still play nice?  He!!s no they won't. 
    In my county, we have been paying

    what I call the "right to breathe" tax. Just because we are living, we are taxed for it. It's only $252 a year but only 2 years ago, it was only $10 a year.


    The stimulus also isn't helping our area. The little bit of money that came to this county is going for the same things (landscaping, etc.) that Hannity listed. Yet, our school district needs a new roof and more classrooms, so they are raising our taxes another 3.1 mils. We already are the highest taxed district in the county. A $100,000 home pays $1500 in property taxes...at least that was last year. The property taxes go up every year.


    have you been paying attention
    to the differences between what he said and what he does on other issues. things like (Paraphrased) "I don't want to be in the business of running car companies." ".....won't see any new taxes of any kind." "taxing health care benefits would be wrong." I think when you say when thing and do another that is a lie and it is manipulative.
    You really must not have been paying attention
    Other than a very brief period about 8-1/2 years ago, the divide in the country has been growing larger for about the last 10 years...surely you did not think we had national unity back in the Clinton years, did you? How about the 8 years of Bush the Younger? Frankly, other than a few of the more vociferous 'radical right' pundits, the country is not doing too bad. The moderates and independents have not chimed in yet as they realize that it's going to take longer than 150 days to clean up the mess left when the keys were handed to the POTUS. So far, the only people truly divided are the extremes, and, frankly, I tend to be happier when I'm catered to in the middle since we're so often forgotten.
    So you are okay with paying for his affair?....(sm)
    With all the whining you guys do about where your tax dollars go, I would think you might be a little more concerned.  I guess not though because that was a stand-up, God fearing republican.....I guess that makes it okay. 
    You have a better shot at getting the truth paying sm
    attention to alternative media. You will not get it in the box by mainstream, heavily censored, corporate owned media.
    We are already paying for the health care

    ...of those folks you mention.  Who did you think pays for all the uninsured health care in this country?  Santa Claus?  Folks without insurance often wait until the last minute and then utilize ER services which in the end cost more than if they'd been followed in a clinic. 


    It also sounds like you believe that kids of welfare abusers should be punished because their parents can't/don't/won't provide for them.  I don't agree.  All children deserve basic care regardless of who their parents are.  We are a wealthy country, after all. 


    Personally, I'd be happy to pitch in on my taxes to help provide a health care program for the uninsured.  Better that than funding a war in Iraq.


    So, you look forward to paying for more social
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    He's paying attention to ducking the RNC
    Just like last time.
    Yea, I'll probably be paying for your free
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    No, she just hates paying for lazies of any
    __
    SO you don't mind paying more taxes under
    ??
    Not quite the same as paying it from his own personal account....sm
    You can rest assured that Obama, like every other American, will take all the tax credits he can and pay the least amount of taxes he has to. A nice campaign slogan, but it doesn't hold water.
    aren't we still paying McCain also? nm
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    Yeah, just think! MT co's might just have to start paying
    ;)
    You obviously haven't been paying attention...(sm)

    Dems oppose UNJUST war, like going into Iraq or Israel's constant terror against Palestine.  There's a huge difference.  We are in the middle of 2 wars -- that Bush started.  Did you really think that we would be able to clean his mess up with just a wave of a hand? 


    Pakistan has a government that has no control of its country, which means that militants are currently in charge of the attacks on the supply line that goes into Afganistan.  Those are the targets.  My guess is that the real Pakistan gov probably gave the coordinates to the US for these and many previous hits.  However, they can't really claim that because their people would be all over them because of the anti-American sentiment in Pakistan.  This is why you haven't heard a lot of arguement from the UN about these hits.  This was the same thing that was going on when Bush was in office.


    Obama has consistently said that he wants diplomacy first, but he has also said that he will not hesitate to use force when necessary.  In this particular instance, the US is currently working out a deal with Russia for a different route for supplies to Afganistan, but in the meantime it is necessary to protect the existing route through Pakistan.  Did you really think that Obama was just going to leave our people in Afganistan with no supply line?  And if he had, what would you have said about that?


    It looks as though you weren't really paying attention...
    He said the same thing over and over. Withdraw troops from Iraq and put more boots on the ground in Afghanistan..........how could you have missed THAT? Selective hearing? Selective posting, too, I guess.
    Then you haven't been paying attention.
    Because this is exactly the attitude O has been taking when visiting foreign countries.  America has to be rebuilt because the way we are now does not agree with the European model.  And good thing he is around now to guide us in through that.  Most of us are way too enterprising and independent for his taste and that's something he is looking to change
    You should really start paying attention....(sm)

    to what is said by the president as opposed to the Fixed Noise version.  What Obama actually said:


    ".....we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."


    He is absolutely correct.  The US is not a theocracy and is therefore not bound by or based on any relgion.


    The Fixed Noise version:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEF2-a6QBx8


    Excuse me, but plenty of us ARE paying
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