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Oh Lurker, I couldn't agree more!

Posted By: not bush on 2006-08-06
In Reply to: I agree... - Lurker

Something wicked this way comes, and we are in the middle of it. Oh yeah, I have been likened to Chicken Little, the sky is falling, blah, blah, blah, but I am cognizant of the falsities this administration would like us to believe, and although I am of average intelligence, not presidential material, am educated enough to know that they, WHOMEVER THEY ARE, were going into a HORNET's NEST in IRAQ, also going to make more TERRORISTS. Also, with my average intelligence, I knew enough to know that Hussain was keeping his people under control, and that NO terrorists would be stupid enough to make trouble or reside in Iraq.  He was master.  So he killed 30,000 people, maybe a little more.  How many have the BUSHWACKERS KILLED!?  Yes, of course, I'm upset with him and his cronies.  He has made AMERICANS LOOK STUPID, DISHONEST and MURDEROUS and no more humanitarian, maybe even less so, than Saddam.  At least Saddam had his reasons to kill his people.  What are HIS reasons for the killing?  Have not heard any that make any sense!  That is my take on the whole thing.  Plus the useless FEMA of the Katrina disaster, and on and on and on.  No time to spell it all out. 




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I agree the Lurker's above post is right on...
My post was to say that the pat answer of Reps to Dems who disagree with Bush is to call them nuts, morons or haters.  That's all I was saying.  For Heavens' sake, Lurker is most definitely RIGHT ON!  Do you think any of these rednecks would take this from Clinton!?  Hell NO!!
Agree with you, Lurker {{{{applause}}}}

Thanks Lurker...and I agree with you about checks and balances...nm

Agree, Lurker...hard to wrap the mind around...
...It is so surreal in a way, all that happened, and then paasing the buck, and now the tide of human hate that in some ways is just as damaging as the storm itself.

I fear they will try their best to rewrite the story of what happened. It's already starting. Now the new poll is out saying somewhere close to half of Americans approve of Bush's handling of the emergency services. The conservatives are all agaggle over it - as if it was real. As if just saying so makes it real. Karl Rove has played this game from day one but they just don't see it. Not even with all the ultra conservative pundits turning on them, they believe a faked poll before they believe their own eyes and ears.

My brother told me a story once about a company he used to work for in Ft. Pierce, FL, run by a man and his three adult sons. One day my brother was taking a break with the three sons and they were reminiscing about the good old days (about 10 years previously) when they would load up their shotguns, jump in the pickup and head over to the segregated part of town where the black people lived, and drive around the outskirts of town taking pot shots at the inhabitants, killing as many as possible, laughing as heads exploded and children were shot out of their mother's arms. This was going on in 1962. The blacks couldn't do anything about it - the whites owned the city and the sheriff's office and if they didn't like it they were invited to get the hell out of town. The sons in question were from 12-14 years old when they were committing murder with their father's approval and assistance.

What happened this last week gives me the same unbelieving sense of horror and shame as I had when I first heard that story. I just don't know what to say about people so dead inside that murder to them is a joyride. That's kind of a dramatic way to put it, but this stuff really happened and I don't think these kinds of people have left us at all. I am sure they have not all murdered the defenseless for sport, but I am also no longer sure that defending and enabling murderers of any kind is very much better. They might not be shooting but they are certainly driving the truck around with a big grin on their faces, some of them. Not all, but a very dead empty and evil few.

At least now we can plainly see who they are.

Are you Sioux by the way Lurker? Don't mean to pry but just curious:) I have to take issue with the phrase though. I always believed it, now I don't believe it anymore. We're not all one. There are the people and then there are...I don't know what they are but they aren't human and they are not related to anyone but each other. I wish I could feel more inclusive about it but that's not going to happen ever again, I suspect.
I couldn't agree more! (SM)

How about Caroline Kennedy for his VP?  It's definitely feeling "Camelotty" these days.


Remember the last time a US President chose the chooser of his VP?  (Hint:  They call him "Darth Vader.")


I couldn't agree more.

In my family alone I have German, Irish, and Indian.  I'm your basic Heinz 57.  I don't go around saying I'm a German-Irish-Indian-American do I.  No....I'm an American.  I'm proud of my heritage, but I'm an American.....period. 


When it comes to the idea of a black president.....I'm all for it.....if it is the right person and Obama is not.  I'm all for a woman president but Hillary most definitely is NOT the one. 


I couldn't agree more sm

You know, it's amazing how a REAL person, a woman no less, is on the ticket!


It's nice to see such a down-to-earth, likeable person be able to be on this ticket and not be part of the Washington machine.  Her husband has a blue collar job.  How many other candidates in recent history have been able to say that about their spouse?  She is a REAL woman, has a family with kids and gut instincts to boot.  I just think the whole idea of having a take-charge, no-nonsense state governor who knows how to use her noggin would be great for Washington and congress!


I couldn't agree more . . .
You and I are a minority on this board with this radical thinking, but I for one am ready for someone who honestly wants to do the right thing for the people -- not putting money into their cronies pockets!!!  It is beyond me that anyone after seeing the 2 debates in the last week would even consider voting for THAT TEAM!!  They scare me beyond anything that I have ever imagined!!  They are hate mongering, self-righteous, vicious, desperate dimwits who obviously have no clear-cut plan, but just mask their stupidity with hate-filled lies as a smokescreen for their ignorance.  The truly intelligent people in this country see through that bull!
Couldn't agree more........
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Couldn't agree with you more!!
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I couldn't agree with this more!
Those two men are heroes and shouldn't have spent one minute in jail.  Why did Bush allow this?  (It's just another example of why I will be glad to see Bush go.)
I couldn't agree more - it's very sad
To see a country that I served in the Army to protect and service. That I've worked my whole live (since 2nd grade working on a farm and later on to other jobs). My parents/grandparents taught me values, respect, honor, and duty. All of it is being eroded away. Some slick laywer comes in and promises everyone everything. He stands and lies to their faces and they keep following him. It is true that they say they are like sheep because they follow with no thoughts of their own. People will say, oh this has to be approved by congress or that has to be approved. Guess what Congress is now controlled by democrats. They will pass anything and everything produced by the O. You've got mafia type people now advising the O. He's promised them all something and they are demanding it, and not only in our country but our enemies too.

It just sickens me to no end that we did kiss America goodbye, and just a little over 1/2 the country feels this is okay. I too want my country back. Now just have to think of new ways to survive through the next 4 years.

However, I'm still waiting to hear about the outcome of all the lawsuits that are being filed (there are many of them) and he has to comply by 12/1 (I wouldn't even have given him that long - that's too much time to try to falsify a document - again). It also disgusts me too that so many people demanded to see McCain's bc, but they were okay with not having to see the O's. Certainly a different country than what I grew up in.
I couldn't agree more...

...with your post.  I am truly beginning to wonder what the point of voting is.  Is it just to fool the "masses" into thinking they truly have a voice?


I think a lot of Americans adamantly didn't want any more Bushes and didn't want any more Clintons.  I'm feeling somewhat betrayed by Obama and very unhappy with his appointments so far.


This isn't "change."  This is back to the same corrupt regime.


I couldn't agree more, but I just...
...hope that some "homegrown terrorist" doesn't prevent that from happening and/or Bush doesn't find a way to declare martial law indefinitely.  I just keep getting the feeling that something terrible is going to happen before January 20, something with Bush's fingerprints all over it. 
I couldn't agree with you more. (sm)

I know what Vietnam did to my ex-boyfriend.  It's not just something that goes away in a few months.  It lasts a lifetime and can even affect future lives yet to be born.


Believe me, I share your anger, and I don't even have a relative who is in the military.  I hope your son comes home soon, safe and healthy.  My heart goes out to you, and if I could find a ((hug)) icon, I'd place it right here.


Well said...couldn't agree more!
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I couldn't agree more!
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Couldn't agree more. Also, . . .
it would be a wonderful cash crop for not only the obvious reasons, but all sorts of products can be made from the plant:  Paper, textiles, and even biofuels are just a few.
I couldn't agree more.

I personally feel that we have a lot of divorced parents and kids being raised by single mothers and these family values, etc. aren't being taught.  Kids see their moms and dads dating different people.  Woman having kids with multiple different fathers and men fathering many children by different woman.  This is what our kids see.  What else do we expect these kids to be when they are exposed to this stuff.  Some kids are taught that they can't be successful instead of telling them they can be anything they want to be. 


I think that not only should good values, etc be taught at school but I personally feel that the parents need to wake up and realize some of the monsters they are creating here.  Too many parents rely on the schools to teach their kids things that the parents should be teaching them.  Why parents rely on schools to raise their children.....I will never understand that. 


Then on the other spectrum you have the well off families who buy their kids everything they want without teaching them how to be responsible with money and these kids end up being some of the irresponsible ones we have to pay for because they were never taught to save money to buy stuff.  Instead it is credit cards, credits cards......buy now and hopefully have money to pay later. 


I couldn't agree more! (sm)

What now feels like a lifetime ago, when I was in my 20s and still had all my "plumbing intact," I had menstrual problems to the point where I became anemic from always bleeding.


I was divorced, NOT in a relationship with anyone, and my OB/GYN prescribed birth control pills in order to try to control my cycle so I wouldn't bleed so much to help with the anemia. I don't know what I would have done if some pompous pharmacist refused to fill my prescription for those birth control pills based on his/her PERSONAL MORAL (and IGNORANT) beliefs, but if this person had done so, I'm sure I wouldn't have gone away quietly, because by refusing to fill a legal prescription from my physician, this person would have unilaterally sentenced me to an unhealthy life. (My imagination stops somewhere between my jumping across the counter and placing my hands around this person's throat.)


I do have to wonder, though, what would happen if a self-righteous pharmacist refused to fill a prescription for Viagra, Cialis, etc. In fact, I think I'd buy tickets and popcorn to watch that one! 


Very well said. I couldn't agree more!
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I couldn't agree with you more on

this one, Kendra.  If Obama truly wants to move on....then he should.  There are dems who had their hands in this as well and surely it will come out as well.  Pelosi is one who knew what was going on, even though she swears she didn't, and she never tried to stop it then. 


I just think it is sad that our country is going after people who did what they did to save American lives and keep us safe.  I would much rather see this effort going into the politicians and the crooks at some of these banks, etc. who got loads of money before these companies collapsed.  What about the CEOs who walked away with millions of dollars right before their company failed and not only did we have to bail them out but they got away with loads of money.  Why aren't we going after those guys?  I would have more respect for our administration if they would do that, but I know they won't because too many people in our government got money from these same companies for their campaigns.  Corruption....pure and simple.  That is our government.


Very well said. I couldn't agree more.

couldn't agree with you more

wonder how long it will take obama to commit an actual impeachable offense.  i believe he has such a rubber stamp in congress that he can ram through just about any social program, any tax hike that he wants and it will all be perfectly legal. 


a politican campaigns with *2 chickens in every pot* promises.  everyone knows he cannot deliver, but they vote for him anyhow, based on his stated intentions.  then he finds that he cannot make good on most of his promises and there's some grousing among those who voted for him, but all is eventually forgiven.  the situation we find ourselves in now is that he actually can make these promises come true, and it's a frightening prospect to anyone who believes in self-determination and individual liberty.


by the way, can we impeach a vice president?  biden is such a loose cannon that it's frightening to have him in the position of vp.  they need to keep a muzzle on him before he gives away the missile codes, or something. his latest gaffe, disclosing the location of the *undisclosed location* where the vp is sequestered in an emergency was actually a treasonous act.  any chance he will be prosecuted for it?


on the other hand, ridding ourselves of biden would put pelosi *a heartbeat away* from the presidency.  another frightening idea. what a pickle we've gotten ourselves into!


Couldn't agree more
They are really bringing a lot of support to their cause, aren't they? To gun someone down in church, I am sure that was what G-d wanted. Thou shall not murder, unless the person does something you don't like.
I couldn't agree more.
She was completely brain dead with no hopes of recovery whatsoever.  Keeping her alive like that, in my opinion, is selfish.  I think her parents were selfish in wanting her to stay alive like that.  Sometimes you have to let loved ones go.  My father was a DNR and when he coded in the hospital, we all just stood there because that is what he wanted.  We let him go and although that was the hardest thing I've ever had to live through in my whole life, I don't regret doing what I know he wanted.  It was his time and we let him go.
D@mn skippy!....couldn't agree more!

I couldn't agree more with your opinion

seems like it makes him almost the perfect president to be able to understand and empathize with a much wider range of American citizens than any president before him.  He's inclusive, not exclusive, and he's certainly more tolerant than many posters on this board, thank GOD!


 


Couldn't agree more...vote NO to socialism. nm
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Excellent post and very well said. I couldn't agree with you more. nm
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I couldn't agree with you more!! I'm voting McCain for the same reason. nm
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Thank you, Lurker!

I can't stop laughing and emailed this to everyone I know, as well as added it to my favorites.


This is priceless!  Thanks. 


Thank you, Lurker.

Now THERE'S a post full of kindness, understanding, tolerance, and love.  I wish there were more people like you in this country right now.  I was starting to feel very angry and in the midst of letting them drag me down to their level, but your post just lifted me up from all that (even sans the beads).  You must be very proud of your heritage.  I would love to learn more about it.


Thank you again for your post.


Thank you, Lurker nm

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Thanks, Lurker.

This was a great read and sums up very well the impression Ann Coulter has given me of herself and her so-called values. 


 


Yes, I will do this Lurker.
well aware of the hardships endured by native Americans as well as their many contributions, such as the Navajo codetalkers in WWII as only 1 example. That's what gets me about some of the rabid illegal immigrant bashers...**they're illegal** blah, blah blah. Yeah, we need to secure our borders, etc., but some of the arguments made by these people make me sick. If ANYONE got a raw deal it's the native Americans; except for them, we are ALL here illegally. I love the many wonderful traditions and meaningful ceremonies of native Americans; I will support this.
Thanks, Lurker.
I hardly have any, as well. 
Oh, come on now Lurker. sm
You post on the C board, too.  This is all silly.
Lurker?

Yes, I've posted on the conservative board a couple times recently.  Didn't take me long to realize it wasn't the place for me, and I don't plan on posting there any more.


However, I continue to read the posts there, note your ongoing confusion and truly hope you get back to school soon so they can teach you that the 9 in 9/11 indicates the month of September, not August.  I do applaud you for getting the 11 in 9/11 correct, though.


Another point of confusion:  I'm not Lurker.  I'm Liberal. 


But Lurker,
will all due respect, your posts ooze hatred.  I don't think you might be aware of it, but they do. 
Lurker. sm
You are the only one who has ever posted here, more than once, about AG and I and who we *really* are.  So it's more than reasonable for me to equate that kind of post with you. 
Lurker...
just a simple question. You have read the posts. Do you think I deserved the *fool*, *I feel I have been defecated upon,* comments? Do you think that because they come from a *liberal* that is okay? I have not said I am done with you, you are delusional to anyone. Yet Teddy has said I was mentally ill, have I taken my meds, am I nuts, and on and on and on. Why is acceptable to you, and you champion her, and let castigate conservatives for saying similar things to you?

It appears I was wrong about you. I thought you were above all that. But...alas...I guess I was wrong.
thanks for sharing this, Lurker
Kudos to those brave ladies.
Another one attacking Lurker...and on and on

Unacceptable answer for word verbiage. Do people actually let you get away with that?




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Posted By: ? on 2006-03-03,
In Reply to: Find it yourself... - Lurker

You must run in really tolerant debate circles.  Best stay in them.  This kind of behavior is not tolerated in most political circles I know of.  But it is a good example of how far we have slipped into the he said/she said atmosphere of debate in this country.  Just say anything and never have to prove it.  It works well for the MSM, of which you seem so fond.  Well, should have known better. I am off for greener pastures and debate fields where people actually have to prove what they say.  Imagine that!


I don't see this as an attack and obviously neither did Lurker. sm
Please look to your own back yard. 
Bravo, Lurker.
Excellent post. 
No, Lurker, you are mistaken. sm
by *beyond you* I meant it was in God's hands, not yours.  I am done talking to you about it.  You are determined to be offended no matter what I say.  I have never quoted scripture or even interpreted it except to say that God will be the judge and that matter is between President Bush and God.  Walking the walk and talking the talk....well, I don't know what you mean by that.  Another insult I suppose, but since you don't know me, that would be hard for you to *judge* but maybe not, since you seem fond of judging.  As far as mistakes, well, I don't really know what you mean by that either.  Mistakes like drinking alcohol at one time?  Mistakes like stepping on an ant?  Mistakes like spending too much?  Hardly offenses to keep him out of heaven.  You have added many insults in your post. I am glad I did not stoop to that level. 
Bravo, Lurker...very well said.
*China is big* and *Russia is big* is the best our esteemed leader can come up with. Yep, it's hard work being the decider. Only demonstrates (yet again) he is a spoiled, uninformed adolescent with a simplistic view of the world. I've seen 7-year-olds with better table manners and a better grasp of geography. Ironic, also, that he and his puppetmasters show such disdain for the UN and Kofi Annan and yet Bush wants Annan to *give them a call*. God help us....but it's like we've suspected and feared all along: They seem to WANT WWIII. Yet they continue to get away with all kinds of stuff because there are people still fixated on Clinton's sex life. javascript:editor_insertHTML('text','');
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Lurker, was it this article?
We Won't Be Quiet. If so, I read it. It was fantastic!!! The other link was about Iraq. I will repost the link.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0901-28.htm
Lurker, you are not that obtuse. sm
Seems to me, you and Lydia are talking about totally different things.  Win what?  The spread of communism for one thing.  And the fact is, the US Military was not allowed to win that war and the antiwar movement had a lot to do with it, as I have said time and time again, and alot of innocent people died when we left Vietnam.  It's a funny thing to me that some people are so concerned with the innocent civilians dying in Iraq but not a tear was shed or a word uttered about the millions and millions who died at the hands of Pol Pot and North Vietnam once we left.  Selective memory must be wonderful.
On second thought, you are right, Lurker. sm

It's about MJF being used as a pawn to relay false information about stem cell research, 99% of which is false and unfounded.  It's about misrepresenting what embryonic stem cell research really is and what it will be.  So you are right, it's about a whole lot more than MJF.  It's dirty politics and the Democrats used MJF's affliction for their gains.  Shame on them.