On 60 minutes tonight

mr Mcclain said he had no problem with going to war with Russia as per NATO if they attack Georgia again.  I dont know even where Georgia is so I was not sure I would agree the US should have a war with the big country over some were I don't know even where it is.  Aren't we enough war already?

• On 60 minutes tonight - Abby
  • Georgia used to be part of the USSR before... - sam

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...Sunday night about the cancer clinic that's closing due to lack of funds?  I can't begin to describe how angry I became when I saw this. 

After greedy, immoral Wall Street crooks created a worldwide economic crisis, while walking away with millions or billions, there are Americans who have been handed death sentences because of lack of MONEY.

I believe the entire health "insurance" industry needs to become extinct (except for maybe one or two companies for the "elite" in this country who believe they're superior and can afford astronomical rates). These links are a little old, but they give you an idea of how much healthcare "insurance" executives earn: http://blogs.webmd.com/mad-about-medicine/2007/08/ceo-compensation-who-said-healthcare-is.html and http://www.harp.org/hmoexecs.htm.

Certainly, these outrageous salaries, combined, plus all the other auxiliary costs that go along with this "industry" would go a long way toward funding a single-payer NONprofit healthcare plan.  No doubt that much of their income comes as an incentive for denying benefits to patients.

You insure your car because you MIGHT have an accident someday. You insure your home because you MIGHT need to file a claim someday. The premiums are based on overall risk.  However, EVERYONE will become ill at some point in his/her life, and we have now become a country that will only accept "survival of the fittest," while systematically "thinning out the herd" based on who has the least amount of income.  To "insure" health is like buying an insurance policy to insure that your bread won't go stale at some point after you buy it; it's completely irrelevant to whether a person has a job.  And if that person, God forbid, LOSES that job, then COBRA kicks in with usually much more expensive premiums.  So once again, if someone has no or little income, it costs MORE to insure his/her health.

Capitalism is good for some things, but it's the absolute most immoral idea that one's ability to live or die in a country like America is contingent on how rich that person is. Left unchecked, these companies, in my opinion, are well on their way to becoming the next AIG that the government will bail out because they're "too big to fail," while leaving millions of people to die.

It's pretty bad when someone like Hugo Chavez, who provides healthcare to the citizens of his country, treats sick people much better than Americans do. 

Nixon had a different "mindset" about health insurance back in the 1970s when he discovered with glee that insurance companies could make more money by denying services, so HMOs were invented.  It's again time to adopt a different mindset, one that's moral and one that doesn't literally leave Americans to die.  (Reagan had the bright idea to "deregulate" banks, an idea which Clinton enthusiastically embraced and Bush was only too happy to continue, and we see where that got us:  The Wall Street crooks won, and the people who trusted them with their money lost.)

After I saw this segment, I've NEVER been so ashamed to be an American. This has to stop.

GET RID OF HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES ALTOGETHER.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/03/60minutes/main4917055.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4917055

P.S.  Sorry for the rant and sorry if my words might not make sense in some spots, but this really upsets me because I'm one of those people.  I don't qualify for Medicaid and can't afford or can't obtain (preexisting conditions) private or work-offered health insurance.

Lately, people will do anything to get their own "15 minutes of fame." That's why you have so many reality shows.

I think it's all despicable and they should not have shown that on TV. Now every other "15 minute" famer will do something on the same order to see if they can get in the newspapers or on TV. Watch and see. There's still 6 days left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BTlZjNC84&feature=related

Absolutely got a kick out of the next one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp2PbOPX_8k&NR=1

I watch Olbermann.  Sometimes I agree with him.  Sometimes I don't.

However, last night he hit it into the park with his attempt to review what Bush did in the last eight years into eight minutes; he ran over time a little bit because there was so much to say.

I would strongly urge anyone who is not too busy whining, moaning, groaning, hating and raging about Obama -- anyone who is truly interested in the future of America -- to watch this, from beginning to end -- especially at the end (since this is done chronologically, not by matter of importance).

THESE are the reasons people voted for Obama.  THESE are the reasons that Obama supporters cannot understand why Bush worshippers still support him and reject the man who might undo the wreckage of Bush.

BUSH is the man who claimed to have a direct line to GOD.  Obama never claimed anything of the sort; if he had, I probably would not have voted for him for that very reason -- because it creeped me out so much when Bush did it.  So the assertion that Obama supporters are "worshippers" is ridiculous, when, in fact, it seems that those who still support Bush (the closest thing to the Anti-Christ that I'VE ever seen) are the ones who seem to think Bush is some sort of god.

Please watch every single SECOND of this video.  It will give you just a taste of the grueling task ahead of Obama in trying to correct all the damage that Bush has done.  We may, in fact, never know the full extent of the damage because Bush (as is mentioned in the video) has "exempted" himself from the Presidential Records Act.

THIS is why every truly honest, patriotic, honorable American who voted for Obama is so relieved he won.  Not so much "happy" -- but RELIEVED -- hoping (yes, HOPING) that our country may once again resemble the USA that once held respect throughout the world, the USA where hard work was once rewarded, the USA where families could afford to feed their children, and the USA where one's ability to obtain something as basic as healthcare wasn't only limited to the wealthy.  I'm not naive enough to believe this can all be fixed in four (or even eight) years, because Bush has been like a four-year-old sociopath that was armed with Daddy's credit card, an AXE and an arrogant giggle, each of which he used to its full capacity, and that's a LOT to clean up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#28699663

c'mon people. I'm starting to see more and more vile comments on here in the past day or 2 than discussing the issues. Don't get sidetracked. Keep with the issues.

No reason to call someone names because their view is different than yours. Just because we still have freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to call someone else names.

Discuss the issues. That's what this board is supposed to be about. Iif you can't discuss issues, maybe you should find a board that will take your name-calling and snide remarks. Beating a dead horse is not helping matters.

It's getting out of hand again. Let's stop it now. PLEASE.

You won!  More accurately, we have all lost because they just won't leave, because in their twisted peasized brains, they believe they have the right to run this board, as well.  They're like filthy roaches that just won't go away.

In case you didn't notice, gt, we called a truce, which you just blew. sm

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Posted By: sm on 2005-09-18,
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I have been off this board a long time and was just discussing with another poster here calling a truce and I was VERY respectful in these posts, but, of course, you had to start up again.  To the other poster who I made the truce with, can you see now why there can never be a truce here?  

I am looking forward to watching this interview because I am truly interested in hearing what this man has to say.

I can recall as a child growing up to the tune of We have to fight Vietnam because the Communists want to take over the world.  During those times, the worst thing a person could be called in the USA was a Communist. 

It seems to me these days the USA is the one that wants to take over the world.  It has no respect for any government that cares about its poor people or even America's poor, for that matter.  (For example, Chavez tried to provide cheap oil to the poor last winter while Bush didn't care if poor Americans froze to death.)  Any country that removes the profit incentive from medicine or education for its citizens is a terrorist nation in Bush's eyes.  We're quickly approaching the day when most of us will be poor as the middle class continues to disintegrate before our eyes.

I am suspect of everyone Bush labels as terrorist these days, and I want to hear both sides.  Bush refuses to sit down diplomatically and listen to what Ahmadinejad has to say, so I'm grateful that Mike Wallace took the time to do so.

Katie Couric will ask her to discuss any supreme court case other than Roe v Wade.  She sits there blankly.  She knows of no other cases. Nobody makes her appear anything.  They ask her questions relevant to history and our government and she demonstrates her lack of knowledge.

I actually come here for some stimulating conversation and lately it has gotten to where I wonder why I do it anyway -- nothing but ranting and raving and bashing - YES, FROM BOTH SIDES -- but what is on here tonight is just ridiculous!!!

Who cares if there is a spelling mistake?  When you are a beautician, do you always fix your own hair when you are off work?  When you are a mechanic, is your car always in perfect condition?  If you are a janitor, is your house always perfect?  If you are a carpenter, is your home always in perfect repair?  My goodness, what is the problem?  I come here to unwind and have a conversation with somebody besides the cat and the dog and who cares if I have a problem typing the correct spelling sometimes? 

And why can't we discuss what we want to discuss without someone telling us how wrong we are, or how we are going to be regretting the decisions we made in a few months, or how terrible Obama is, or what he is doing wrong already (when he is not even the POTUS yet), or how big a mistake it was for McCain to pick Palin, or how terrible it was that she spent all that money on clothes? 

Issues, folks!  Issues and answers - that is what we should be worrying about.  How many of us are going to be homeless ourselves in a few months through no fault of our own?  How many of us are going to be losing what little we have left in a few months through no fault of our own? 

Have any of you took a minute to think that when people can't eat, they don't go to the doctor, and when people don't go to the doctor, we have no work?  That means no pay for most of us...  that is what I am worrying about - my pay has already gone down about $50 a day in the last month because the hospital I work for has no work for me...  I am worried about losing my home that I bought "responsibly", I am worried about not eating one day soon because I have no money to buy groceries... 

Let's talk about these things and figure out where to go or what to do from here to build our country up and our friends up, to help the person that is reading the next message you post to have some hope that things are going to get better, or at least that they are not getting worse - quit tearing each other down and fussing and arguing all the time!!! 

CAN'T WE JUST ALL GET ALONG??? 

on MSNBC, there's a wonderful interview with parents of one of the Marines who was killed in the last couple days in Iraq.

These people gave the ultimate sacrifice, and IMHO their voices are very important.

Charlies Gibson had a personal interview with JM about Sarah. Very interesting. He has the utmost confidence in her as VP. 

Most of the news tonight was on the convention.

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

was planning on asking Hillary Clinton to be Secretary of State.  Remembering back to the primary days, I'm not sure I think this is a good idea.  For that matter, I'm not even sure it's true; just something I heard, nothing official.

I'm having a rough night and feel there's another hospitalization for me looming in my very near future, so I might not be able to post on here for a while for feedback from you on this.  (To some on this board, go ahead and flame away.)  Good thing they have TV sets in the hospital, though, so I can at least keep up with the news.  LOL.

Anyway, take care. 

The author stated Lincoln suspended the right of habeus corpus and the constitution to justify his causes....so maybe this is why O is following along those lines.

Hope it's not on late. I can't stay awake past 8:30 anymore.

Click on the link check local listings to see when it is on where you live.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/

The Dark Side

coming Jun. 20, 2006 at 9pm (check local listings)

(60 minutes) On September 11, 2001, deep inside a White House bunker, Vice President Dick Cheney was ordering U.S. fighter planes to shoot down any commercial airliner still in the air above America. At that moment, CIA Director George Tenet was meeting with his counter-terrorism team in Langley, Virginia. Both leaders acted fast, to prepare their country for a new kind of war. But soon a debate would grow over the goals of the war on terror, and the decision to go to war in Iraq. Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and others saw Iraq as an important part of a broader plan to remake the Middle East and project American power worldwide. Meanwhile Tenet, facing division in his own organization, saw non-state actors such as Al Qaeda as the highest priority. FRONTLINE's investigation of the ensuing conflict includes more than forty interviews, thousands of pages of documentary evidence, and a substantial photographic archive. It is the third documentary about the war on terror from the team that produced Rumsfeld's War and The Torture Question. (read the press release)