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time ojut, SS, My post was directed to Get Smart/sm

Posted By: Give it a 2nd read to get the drift. sm on 2008-09-06
In Reply to: climb off your cross - sillysally

I agree with your comment about JM's goose egg and everything else you have posted today.


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Intolerance goes both ways, and your post should be directed to all on this board....sm
not just the conservatives.

In fact, you yourself, have posted to the extreme pro-Obama, if I'm not mistaken. (unless I'm thinking of someone with a similar name, if so, a thousand pardons).


Depending on which day you come, either side of the political agenda has their say and sway, way to the extreme.


Some of us tend to be in the middle, sometimes more to the right, sometimes more to the left.



Myself, these days, I'm sick and tired of McCain, and still can't stand Obama.


But you and anybody else are free to have your say.


Just don't attempt to say it's all one-sided, because it's not. And if you were fair, it's usually one-sided in favor of Obama, not McCain.


I, personally, am sick of politics in general, all ways around, with no good candidate, really, on either side of the spectrum.
Is that directed towards me or JRR?
I just commented on the post, and I don't think what I posted deserved the outright insult that JRR threw at me.  However, I'm an adult and can take it, however, obviously JRR is not a mature adult and can only hurl childish insults. 
Who is this directed at (sm)
The OP or "me" who posted the rant about McCain??
vs, I don't think this response was directed at you...nm

That wasn't directed at you
I just view Obama that way. Sorry
Wow - you really got me that time. (not really sure WTH your post means but anyway) (sm)
I'm leaving, so if you have more to say to me, you'll be talking to yourself, and you're already weird enough, but if that's what you wanna do, knock yourself out.
Thank you for taking the time to post this!! :-)
awesome post
Thanks for taking the time to post
Sorry, forgot to add that. Have a good afternoon.
Not directed at you, Kiki, just the guy who wrote....
this article...verrryyy slanted.

But all it says to me is that she is doing the job as governor of her state to take care of her people and it looks like she was doing a mighty fine job. Hence the 83% approval rating.

What I would be interested in is the same author looking at the lower 48, and seeing how much of their profits are off the top before a product leaves their state? I would imagine it is very close to that. It is a governor's job to look out for the people of the state, and she obviously put her people first. More power to her! If she pushes for the same principle on a federal level, we will do nothing but benefit.

Good grief, this person castigates the woman for doing her job and doing it well. At least she didn't siphon off a chunk for herself like many other corrupt politicians..it went right back to the people of her state.

And the interviewer could not resist the class warfare jibe: "Well I guess that means the Alaskan people are more important than we are..blah, blah, blah."

If this guy lived in Alaska he would be singing a different tune...sour grapes, class warfare. Typical.

Yep, I would be interested to know how much revenue from oil from Texas, oil from Oklahoma, coal from West Virginia...how much of that revenue is kept at the state level? My guess is as much as Palin kept in Alaska from Alaska's oil.

This article just reinforced for me why her influence is needed in Washington. She looks after the people who put her in office. Exactly what she SHOULD be doing IMHO.


The commend from Russia was directed at the new...
administration, not the current one. So it is not Bush's problem. Bush admin reacted the way they should have to the aggression in Georgia...and yes, I think Georgia was aimed at the election. Do you not remember Joe Biden going over there because he "friends" with the Georgian President? Came back denouncing the invasion. How long after that was he pegged for VP? Yeah, I would say the Russians were doing a little water testing.

I wish I shared your optimism about Obama. In sincerely wish I did. I sincerely wish he would take a look at Russia and realize that Marxist socialism does not work. But every torchbearer of Marxism that has come down the pike really believes that he will be the one to make it work. Sigh. Those who do not learn from mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

All that being said...again. I wish I shared your optimism. But history should tell you, Russians are not interested in diplomacy. They are interested in world domination and they want to see if Obama will allow them to swallow it up, one little piece at a time. We shall see.
Just a hint. Next time respond to a post,

read it first. 


This isn't about the ACLU, or an agency LIKE the ACLU.


I think you would be hard pressed to find a liberal who agrees with NAMBLA or any organization like them that is in favor of sexual exploitation of children.  I don't think prison is even good enough for them.  I think they should get the death penalty.


Maybe if you would have actually taken the time to READ the post, you would see it has nothing to do with your response.


That's the second time you addressed something I didn't post. sm
I thought the Chickenhawk article was brilliant though.  I wish I had posted it.
Re: "Closing Time" - Was cut off in prior post; please see this one.

This didn't come through very well in my other post.  I'm hoping it's better in this one.  Sorry. 


Closing Time


Jim Kirwan
12-10-8








Since Reagan we've been trying to make "Trickle-Down economics" work: For those to whom promises were made, Trickle- Down has been, not just a failure but it has been the major vehicle responsible for the most massive redistribution of wealth, from the population that has worked toward something, to those that wanted everything. Never has there been such a near total transfer of wealth in the history of the planet. This criminal-conspiracy has done what it was created to do ­ and it must be terminated with extreme prejudice, immediately, if we are to survive.


When 'Trickle-Down' was the political-priority of the day, the high-point in prosperity was to become a 'Millionaire.' Forbes magazine tracked those lucky few very carefully. Today Forbes 500 no longer bothers with 'millionaires' because there are just far too many of them-they have become inconsequential. Thanks to "Trickle-Down economics today the heavy-hitters financially are 'Billionaires' and above: which is all you need to know about how well this hostile-takeover of the American economy has worked.


The problem that this transfer of wealth has created has resulted in the Federalization-of-Privatization: As a result we are all facing another huge round of trickle-down economics, but this time it's being cloaked in a series of stealth-protected measures. These new tactics are commonly called BAILOUT or RESCUE packages, and nothing about their origins or their purposes has been made clear to those of us that will be forced to pay tens of trillions for our own destruction.


What's happening is this: First they used compromised laws to squash diversity and opinion within the entire field of communications, under Clinton and Powell's kid that ran the FCC. Together, competition was eliminated and monstrous empires were created that absorbed their competition outright. Once this happened, the entire edifice for total information management was in-place, using household names to lie to the public every minute of every day, whether on television or in print-with very few exceptions. With that completed effort it was easy to move directly onto the openly fascist path to WAR on a variety of fronts, supported and applauded by the very organs that were supposed to question whatever government does, on behalf of the people, as part of their constitutionally protected-jobs as so-called journalists. With the constitution gone, and the only allegiance worthy of that name having become the private for-profit motives that greed and arrogance breeds; in the sewers of those ruined lives where these so-called leaders "live," the current outcome is all that we should have ever expected from these new-age barbarians. (1)


We're still in the Twilight Zone; where Obama is just another man waiting to start a job, except that he seemingly can't wait to begin so he formulates their plans and then rushes to the nearest podium to expound upon the glories of what these programs (or pogroms) are pointedly designed to do; for them and 'to' us. And the sheep wait patiently to board the trains that will take them to the slaughterhouse.


The larger picture has or course remained hidden from the general public. What continues to go unnoticed is the number of profligate cities and towns, not to mention states that will have to be bailed out by the feds. Once this begins to happen, 'the rights' of states will disappear completely along with any independence from the federal-government. Remember the formula upon which bailouts are based: The crucial money provided is conditioned upon a federal "ownership stake" in everything that needs the money, and when this is applied to the states then all they have left to trade with is their broken-economies and their people who shall both become the property of the federal government that is today a private-corporation that serves only the privately-owned central banks and by extension the multi-national corporations. This is about to happen now to several states, including California; the sixth largest economy in the world. (2)


'BTW the "corporation" mentioned above has been bankrupt since 1933, and the result of that bankruptcy is that the USA went into receivership to the privately-owned Federal Reserve. The Dictator was correct when he said: "The constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper," he was actually telling the truth. It was probably the only truthful statement he ever made in nearly eight years.


The owners have simply allowed us to believe we have a constitution. Every law, code and statute world wide is based on the Uniform Commercial Code and has been in place since 1950. Of course no one in a position of power ever bothered to mention this to us did they? One must understand the UCC to understand how and why so many have gotten away with so much: And now they are upping the ante, to take it all.'


This explains why every courtroom and every government building has flags hanging that really are not American flags even though they appear to be. Each of them has gold/yellow fringe around them. They give us smoke and mirrors that mask what they created, which allows them to continue to say 'we have a constitution and a democracy.' Of course America was created to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. There is a huge difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic. The rights of the few and the many, can only be protected under a Republic, while under a democracy, the majority rules-absolutely.


There are however a few places that are still holding out against the one-world-order and the New Barbarians. Among these are Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, parts of Pakistan, possibly Iran and certainly Greece.


"Socialist leader George Papandreou called for early elections, saying the conservative government could no longer defend the public from rioters.


The government has a single-seat majority in the 300-member Parliament and opposition parties blame hands-off policing for encouraging the worst rioting the country has seen in decades.


'The government cannot handle this crisis and has lost the trust of the Greek people,' Papandreou said. 'The best thing it can do is resign and let the people find a solution ... we will protect the public.'" (3)


If America is to survive then we must stop this wholesale giveaway of everything that was once part of this society. The relationship between profits and earnings must be freed from the stranglehold that management has created in order to siphon off all the profits and wreck the companies they work for. In addition, the idea that government can function in any capacity as a major stakeholder in any form of private enterprise beggars the imagination far beyond any real possibility for saving anything; except the criminals and their enterprises that created this "crisis" in the first place. The 'economy' must be based on a bottom-up profit motive, based on the real wages of those that create the wealth for those at the top - and not upon the insanity that it is now! People must come first, and the corporations must be controlled at every level by the public!


There is no longer anything like responsibility anywhere in government or the private sector to anything except what can continue to be stolen, either by flawed and fraudulent bailouts, or through the strong-arm tactics that are currently acting "under- cover of law" and that are neither legal nor functional. Obama in this venue is neither a savior, nor a friend to the people that supposedly 'elected' him-he is just the instrument of the new global-government engine designed to finish the job and to close down this nation, once and for all! Americans need to watch what happens in Greece and follow their example, if there is to be an America to fight over in the future.


In the meanwhile, here is some of what's happened here already.


"With the focus on privatization, public-private partnerships, (dismantling local control); anyone with any common sense about them can see that; incrementally the power of the people is being given over to corporate control through various venues. Once upon a time we were subjects, then citizens, and now consumers. Everything is for sale. TV 'programming' is set up to entice "consumers" through the 3000 daily ads to buy, buy, buy! Utilities-waste- nursing homes, and even the people's water (once in local control) is open to the highest bidder or those with the most influence. In "public private partnerships or privatization" (despite the lofty high pitch sales rhetoric) means only one thing, a plundering of the people's money. Profits take precedence over any and all health or environmental concerns. It's pigs at the trough time, locally- state wise and nationally. This is not just happening in one or two isolated places but across the nation. Because we are narrowly focused (many times only one newspaper) parochially; we have little to no idea of the larger picture and what is being set in place.


As I read of various happenings across the nation; I am struck with the usage of terms and language being introduced into the public arena; with no explanation as to their meaning (if any). I asked a state politician a few years back what this terminology we're hearing lately of, "regional or regionalization" meant? He brushed the whole thing aside as inconsequential and told me that is was of no importance. Obviously, for me, that was an unsatisfactory answer. Most especially, since on the local level, I could see that it meant a great deal. It appeared to me, that ever so insidiously, local control was gradually being usurped by "regional" control of unelected officials. Consultants (strangers) were replacing local people in places of city government (at lucrative salaries). The sense of community (calling city hall etc.) was being replaced by various business entities, having little to no attachment to the heartbeat of the people. How could they, being strangers, with no sense of native pride or concern? Words like "regional, stake holder, empowerment zones, enterprise committees, visioning councils, smart growth, sustainable development etc;" had replaced understandable language! I didn't imagine that the usage of these terms across the nation (if you look) meant "nothing"." (4)


It's 'Closing Time' America, because unless you begin to do more than just watch, this place won't even be a footnote to the ruin that is planned for these people and this place that once held so much promise for everyone.


kirwanstudios@sbcglobal.net



Next time, please try to stay on post task.
1st paragraph. I agree. That's why O's and B's supporters are voting for them. Not more government. Better government...smarter government…and one with vision for a different America than what you cons are peddling. You are straying from the subject again. Pay attention. The discussion is about O and JM how JM's plan differs from Bush's plan. On the voting record, last time I checked only O and JM are running for president and those are the voting records we are inspecting now. It is the 90+% of MC'CAIN'S votes in support of Bush's initiatives that we now showcase. Do not complicate the plan comparisons with a whole bunch of smoke and mirrors peripheral unknowns. Candidates. Got it?

Have it your way. Bush adopted O's exit strategy first and JM followed his lead who followed O's lead. He did not start talking exit at all until the Bush flip-flop(s) (i.e., we dont negotiate with terrorists but a US interests section in Iran might work) began getting press during the primary campaigns. I have not had time to examine the context from which you lifted O's surge statement from the other O's Fox interview which you continually and confidently predicted he was too scared to do. Once I do that, I will comment further on the surge statement. Don't know how to tell you this, but the surge was not the greatest national security/foreign policy decision, although it is plain to see that the cons often get military strategies pretty mixed up with foreign policy. Again, ask the Iraqis how successful our missions have been at slaughtering more than 100,000 of their family members. Another bubble to burst here. There are many among us who do not feel that the war has made our nation safer from terrorists. So, in fact, we are not done with this subject, no matter how quickly you would like to dismiss it. Obama was simply trying to avoid MORE quagmire and advance the withdrawal plan that is not only promoted by him, but now suddently promoted by Bush and JM in tow. Some call it vision, others call it judgment.

Did not ask about JMs speeching. Asked about the plan. What is it, if he laid it out so plainly? Must have missed all that between the fear/military references last night. BTW, as I told you in the past post, govt transparency is a democratic initiative that was launched back in the early 90s during the Clinton administration, squashed during the undercover Bush administration and is now clearly articulated in O's technology section under issues.

Cons cannot speak for democrats as to how they can or cannot define pork barrel spending. I know very well what it is. I do find your example of moveon.org rather peculiar in this context. When was the last time they benefited from pork barrel legislation? Please do not reply with a regurgitation of Fox and O'Reilly campaign to demonize the group. You want to talk PACs, fine, but put them in the correct context and tread very lightly for your own sake.

The class warfare is waged by pubs against dem constituents, so yes, I am familiar with that subject and plan to continue to advocate and support measures that will level that playing field. I have a lot of company in that regard. TBone advocates drilling once or twice inside the context of a whole arsenal of other energy initiatives that you discount by omission. He does not, however, try to sell the public on the notion that this will bring prices down anytime in the first of second terms of the upcoming administrations like JM and company would have us believe. On the American imperialist delusions of grandeur, if you have to ask, no soup for you. Would be a waste of time, but this concept is not lost on the better versed in Bush/Cheney NeoCon visions which JM is trying to deny and embrace at the same time. Good luck with that one.

I guess we better all rememer your post, the next time
Double standard? Sheesh.
Read the post I made above. This time it was...
Democrat greed or ignorance...I don't know which...but either way they are responsible.
Wow. In the time it took me to post, market lost another
with no end in sight, wiping out just about all those gains on Monday. Bush and clones are not exactly the best choice of spokesmen when trying to restore confidence in the economy. Change is in the air. Can you feel it?
Historically, Ivy league colleges are directed
towards whites so her saying that is not a shock. How would you feel if the roles were reversed, and you were the minority. I still do not feel that it was racist and I certainly do not get out of it that she is bitter or arrogant.


This was directed at Bradley, but hey, 2 birds, 1 stone
Truth be told, you guys have morphed from angry hate mob to sore losers to disappearing desperados, all in one week. I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
My comment was directed at "me" and she understood me...sm
I was hoping everyone would come together, no matter who wins, echoing her thoughts. She understood what I meant.

No offense intended.
I had that happen one time too...a post turning up missing. sm
And all I did was say I felt other posters were being too harsh. That was it. So I emailed the moderators and the reply I got was that if somebody complains about a post, then all the replies associated with that post are also deleted along with the offending post.

I hope this helps shed light on your missing post.
Excellent post - best I've seen in a long time
Thanks for posting. I really wish more people would think like this. I just want someone qualified who will do what is best for the people of the country. It's just not happening and hasn't been for some time. Forget the name calling and who started it. All I know is it's broken and needs to be fixed and this is an excellent way to fix it.
The word hate is directed at you, gt. Get a clue as to your hatred. nm

You're right, I cannot change your beliefs, not directed solely at you (sm)
But at anyone who supports partial birth abortion really.  It is just an overwhelmingly horrible thought to me.
Does anybody else get error messages half the time they try to post on this board. ?
.
Just today....and theboard is dominated by people piling on me every time I post.
What you don't like is anyone who disagrees with you. Sounds a whole lot more like Nazism than American democracy. But I don't suppose a socialist party would recognize that.
I agree with poster below. Don't even waste your time reading the post. - Sarcastic and utter no
Oh brother - get real.
At least I am smart enough to know
tanks, but no thanks, on that 4 more years.
Then you were one of the smart ones.
Too bad everybody else had dreams of home ownership. Again, I say, it was the lenders who screwed everybody, promising them the moon, when they knew darn well they couldn't afford it. It's a shame some people don't use common sense.
B-U-tiful....and smart, too!
nm
She's smart enough what socialism is all
xx
Sam, you are so smart! -and I mean that, unlike
nm
Or not smart enough to have a legitimate
xx
book smart isn't everything
I've known a lot of educated people who don't know a thing about real life. Need some life experience and common sense to go anywhere.
I'm smart enough to know who is leading
smart enough to read an electoral map, smart enough to recognize the #1 campaign issue, smart enough to know that only losers will ignore the ecoomic meltdowm, and smart enough to give O my vote.
Smart girl.
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Well, I don't need Obama's help as if he is so smart
nm
when you claim you are so smart
it gives quite the opposite impression. When you brought up your intelligence, claiming to have an abundance, you opened it up for discussion, and my fellow MT, i take issue with you lording it over me and others.
Oh come on. Dems are smart enough to see through...
those things, AREN'T they? lol.
My parents were smart like that too.

My dad worked for GM for 30+ years and retired in his 60s only because he wasn't capable of working anymore.  They paid off their house.  They had one credit card that they paid off every month if they used it.  Dad had cash in the bank, stashed in other places, etc.  Now my dad has been gone for almost 2 years now and my mom is living in her paid off house by herself.  All that hard work that my father did to make sure that she would be taken care of after he was gone and now GM is doing horrible.  Not sure what will happen to my mother's healthcare through GM or the pension my father worked so hard for.  It is truly a shame if his blood, sweat, and tears of 30+ years didn't amount to anything.


A lot of younger people nowadays don't know what it is to work for what you have.  Everyone wants things given to them now and that is a huge reason why I have a problem with welfare.  It doesn't help the people who really need a hand up.  All of these government assistant programs will do nothing but make people more lazy and dependent on others to give to them.  I'd rather work for what I have and tell the government to leave me the heck alone, but that is just me. 


The average American has 10K in credit card debt and  think that is just sad.  My DH and I have one credit card and we pay it off every month.  The only thing we owe on is our house and it sucks that I'm terrified about losing it because the economy is so bad when my DH and I have been nothing but responsible with our money.  We just keep plugging along and hoping that DH's job isn't one of the ones on the chopping block.  If we keeps his job, we will be okay.  However, if he doesn't, especially with a new baby on the way, we are in deep sh!t!


Smart? (just kidding) nm
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just being smart alecky here, but
maybe trying to shed any bad publicity they have earned, or maybe just to get global like their favorite son.
Project Vote Smart sm
Here is just one site and it is pretty detailed. Hope it helps. I also recommend learning about the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) to learn about the role they play in our political system and the media. They do have an impact on what candidates are selected and get a lot of press coverage, while others are hidden and smeared, Dennis included. All the frontrunners are members. I am doing volunteer work with one of the campaigns, and getting quite an education on the dirt in politics. Here is the link to Project Vote Smart:

http://www.vote-smart.org/election_president_search.php?type=alpha
I agree that Hillary is smart...
I don't think anyone could dispute that. Not so sure I would call her perky...lol. Katie Couric is perky and you talk about polar opposites...lol.

Knowledgeable? Yep. But from someone who lived for years in the home turf...and all the stuff that went on when Bill was governor and carried on to Washington...just can't trust her. And talk about a dupe...that is what Bill is for her. With all his warts, I do feel sorry for him...lol. I would like to trust her, especially if she wins the election...would be nice to be able to feel some degree of comfort. But I just can't. What I see most lacking in her is that I cannot see much humanness, for lack of a better word. She is like a machine. And, frankly, I have no clue what this woman really feels and thinks at her core. Even before Monica there was no affection between the two of them. For all George's faults, it is obvious Laura loves him and that shows. His kids love him, and that shows. When you see Bill and Chelsea...they look like business acquaintances. It is even cooler with Chelsea and Hillary. I would like to see some humanness. Don't know really how else to describe it.

And the reason is...how a person really feels in their core is what they act on, no matter what they have said to get elected. Definitely no warm and fuzzy about Hillary. And anyone with the kind of power that the Presidency wields should definitely have compassion and sensitivity about them.

I would like to like her. I would like to trust her. But I don't....
Sam is not smart...she is just annoying and persistent.
She is a legend in her own mind!
Sorry, Sam...this fish is too smart to take your bait!
I will just keep swimming in the opposite direction and let you look for other fish to catch!
McBush not looking 2 smart for choosing her...
First of all Palin is *not* stupid, she's just not ready - and might never be ready.

She should be commended for stepping up when the GOP machine came calling. McBush picked her because he was pressured to, and probably because the other experienced GOP contenders said, 'uh, think I'll pass.'

And the media IS taking some good swipes at her - after all she baited them to do so a bit in her speech. Note to Palin: You weren't just trying to win over the GOP delegates in your first speech to the world, you were trying to win us *all* over. You should have skipped the cutesy/snarky...
Just NOT smart enough to NOT follow the sheeps
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Only a moron would say Palin is smart because sm
you don't know any better and do not possess the mental skills to discern how inept Palin is.

Seemingly a smart chicken...:) (sm)

No 401 K here.  I'm even more chicken.  What money I have saved I've put in guaranteed CDs.  It hasn't made much, but at least it's still there.  Yeah, I'm feeling lucky.


Ann can be harsh, but she is so smart and tells
nm