She didn't turn it in an abortion issue - you did
Posted By: me on 2008-08-30
In Reply to: sheesh is right, sam, GIVE IT A REST!!! - MissAnthrope
The poster tried to make an unfair slam against Sarah Palin talking as though Mrs. Palin is dumping her special needs child on the cold street corner when the poster knows for a fact that's not true.
Sam was correct in my opinion. All she said was at least she had him and not aborted him - which has been a big "media" talking point.
Your the one who has turned this into an abortion issue. Sam has the right to express her opinion just like the poster has a right to say what he/she did - unfortunately you must think its okay to distort and falsely spread lies.
Like Sam said - you give it a rest. I agree with Sam. I commend this woman for having a baby and choosing to raise it no matter what hardships they will go through. They have a strong and loving family and will do very well for the child.
So go stick that in your pompous attitude.
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meant is against abortion...didn't mean supports abortion (NM)
about the abortion issue
At least that explains why u are for McCain. What I don't understand is pro choice people voting for McCain. Nobody said it's murder or not murder. I personally think it isn't and you personally think it is. Why are there no funerals for fetuses of miscarriages? yes, it is a moral issue but I will not dictate to someone that if they are raped OR whatever the reason is.. that they cannot have an abortion. That said, it does explain why you vote for McCain. The other people are a mystery.
every once in a while the issue about abortion
comes up, leads to a lot of insulting and flaming comments back and forth, with no resolve.
Can we just stop discussing this issue?????
BTW, I am pro-choice, up to the end of 3rd month, it is my body and my life and my right to decide how many children I want to have, because I want to be able to care for ALL of my children, without needing support from charity organizations, the government or other people and I am AGAINST adoption.
This Octomon should have had my attitude, then she would NOT be in this miserable situation.
Please, NO REBUTTALS AND NO INSULTS following my post!
every once in a while the issue about abortion
comes up, leads to a lot of insulting and flaming comments back and forth, with no resolve.
Can we just stop discussing this issue?????
BTW, I am pro-choice, up to the end of 3rd month, it is my body and my life and my right to decide how many children I want to have, because I want to be able to care for ALL of my children, without needing support from charity organizations, the government or other people and I am AGAINST adoption.
This Octomon should have had my attitude, then she would NOT be in this miserable situation.
Please, NO REBUTTALS AND NO INSULTS following my post!
every now and then the issue pro-abortion
versus pro-life comes up on this forum. People comment back and forth until it gets out ouf hand and bashing sets in. Every time it ends in this way.
My opinion: It is justifiable to termiante a pregnancy up to the end of the 3rd month. AFTER that not.
I would regard an abortion performed during the last trimester of the pregnancy, what is called 'partial birth' abortion, as a crime and doctors who perform those abortions should definitely get punished and their license wtihdrawn.
Under no circumstances should it be allowed that a person kills a doctor who performs 'partial-birth' abortions. This renders also this person a murderer.
Please do not bash me for condoning abortions up to the end of the 3rd month, because I think that a mother has the right to decide. If during these 3 months she could not decide, then she should maintain her pregnancy, no abortion allowed.
The abortion issue is just the tip of the iceberg.
It revolves around the issue of privacy and whether Americans have a constitutional right to privacy. It could potentially involve living wills and other privacy issues, once America accelerates its speed on the highway back to the 1950s. This appointment is a lifetime appointment, and Miers will be with us long after Bush and company are gone.
If she had been on the bench in the Terri Schiavo case, God only knows how that would have turned out. There again, Bush tried to inflict his own personal religious views upon a private American family. Believe it or not, I was actually in favor of keeping Terri Schiavo alive because I believed all the spin that was being thrown in my direction regarding her true condition. I even wrote to Jeb Bush, encouraging him to keep this woman alive. Then the truth came out about her true condition, and I realized it was nothing but conservative spin, and this poor woman was nothing more than a pawn being used in order to promote a conservative agenda, and I felt like a real fool for believing any of it. So you see, I haven't been automatically anti-Bush. I'm just tired of all his deception, my trust in him is gone, and after all the lies from Iraq to Schiavo, I simply don't believe him any more.
I'm willing to mind my own business, let people live their individual lives on their own to assess their own personal situations as they may arise, and not force my personal religious views on every American citizen.
Are you?
Abortion is a political issue....
it has been since activist judges took the "choice" away from one part of the country by overturning a state law. The Constitution states only the legislative branch can enact law. That is when it became a political issue.
Abortion is a personal issue!
I can think of many more valid reasons for a woman to have an abortion than for a woman to shoot wildlife from a helicopter!
Abortion shouldn't even be an issue. With all the forms of birth control
available, many at low or no cost, not to mention abstinence, abortion should not even be an issue. Too many people use it as a form of birth control and it isn't. I know there are some circumstances that warrant an abortion, but those are rare. Abortion may be legal, but it is immoral.
No doubt they didn't pounce on the b/c issue because
there was no merit to it. Otherwise they would have been all over it, like the Ayers association.
My belief? "late-term abortion" or partial-birth abortion" = infanticide, it is sickening
So in these cases I do think, as in most things, there is no ABSOLUTE, but a judicious guideline for this should be investigated and established by the medical community, as far as survival/outcome, but then we must be willing to prosecute mothers and doctors who go outside the guidelines...with established jail terms....and more money to house these "criminals" for years. Why not let God by the ultimate judge, He has the wisdom and the power, and eternity without God is worse than anything we as humans can mandate, don't you think?
No issue is no issue. Denying that
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Did the FBI turn him down for a job?
Where DO you get your information?
TURN ON YOUR TV
They are bailing out the car makers right now. That is why stocks are down. The secretary of the treasury is the DECIDER of where the money goes and his boss is BUSH.
Why? So you could turn around and
B*tch and moan that he was trying to act too presidential too soon, that he's not sworn in yet and that he should have let W have his moment in the sun? Like I said, phoney outrage (much ado over nothing) is juvenile, beyond petty and very unbecoming. Besides, there's no point whatsoever in trying to please those among us who are determined to hate him no matter what he does.
turn off your TV
is what you posted under. Get control of your keyboard. Then maybe your mind will follow.
In the US, we turn away no one from an ER with or
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Dude! Turn off your PC and go out and look
It is JM's/SP's party's turn to be on the
the media dished out on their behalf throughout the entire primary season. Repeat. Show me one time JM has attempted to rein in his supporters when their tactics got out of control. Never mind what the media would or would not have done. I am looking for an example of JM expressing his awareness or concern that the tactics being used were inappropriate. O has done this on occasions, which makes the inquiry legitimate. The reason there is no answer is because there is no example. The hypocrisy of the remainder of this post speaks for itself and requires no rebuttal.
You are an adult when you turn 18.
Where does this adult work? How are her and her future husband going to support this child? Where does he work?
I highly doubt anyone considers Bristol Palin an adult because if they did, they wouldn't have made such a big deal about it on the news?????
If it did happen it will mostly likely turn up on
.
Hope it will not turn
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Oh Please. He is too hot? Then turn off the heater
Sorry, but no excuse because of heat. I lived in a hot/he** state for almost 30 years and finally (Thank God) moved to a four season state. Since moving here, we turn down the heat to save energy and cost of gas heating and so we wear sweaters, etc. Too hot? Simple. TURN DOWN THE HEATER. Still too hot? Open up the windows. Poor excuse, because I came from Hawaii and it is too hot. I thought he also came from Chicago. I also remember him stating that his daughters could not believe there was no school because it was too cold and they could not believe it and in Chicago the girls would be outside playing unlike in Washington D.C. So which is it? Too hot or complains it is not cold enough for school to close? Contradicting personality. Also he arrives to practically everything LATE. I wonder how he would feel if he called a meeting and everybody showed up late and made him wait. Oops, forgot, dealing with a contradicting person.
Did mine. YOUR turn.nm
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Turn the tables
So someone found her flag offensive? too bad. I find not being able to fly it offensive so what is the difference? I just do not get this crap. If someone doesn't like her flag, then they shouldn't look at it. Otherwise, I don't find anyone's right to remove it more compelling than someone's right to fly it. Actually the reverse is true. This is the USA and we have a right to fly our flag. If someone doesn't like it, go live in a country that doesn't fly it, but don't force those beliefs down the throats of patriotic Americans.
Apparently you turn a blind eye
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So instead of trying to turn the tide back...
to where children can be children while they are in elementary school, we just keep indoctrinating them younger and younger? Sorry....don't see it. And why can't parents take care of this? Why do we need to have this addressed in a public school?
I wish I could agree with you...I don't. And I doubt if either of Barack Obama's little girls have had the sexual intercourse HIV AIDS class yet. Would be willing to bet on it, as a matter of fact.
Turn about's fair play so...
If you're condemning Palin for THREE MINUTES standing before a visiting minister, I'd love to hear your take on Obama spending TWENTY YEARS in the company of his spiritual mentor (Obama's words, not mine), Reverend Wright.
You believe AIDS was created by the US government to wipe out minorities?
You believe 'GD America is in the Bible?'
Or do you only believe things subjectively, when it suits your cause?
Sometimes I do too, and I don't turn a blind eye to the the "party"
and its mistakes and exactly why we are in the shape we are in. I do not check my principles nor my thinking at the door of the DNC as you apparently do. The Democrats lost any high ground they had when they denied having anything to do with this and blamed it entirely on Republicans. Totally lacking in integrity.
Maybe "sometimes" is the operative word here.
Do you hear yourself? Trying to turn a gaffe
Seriously. It doesn't get any more pathetic than that. Lay off those fringe blogs and turn off that Hannity before you end up in the boobie hatch.
Denial won't turn those numbers around.
I wouldn't expect too much out of the debate tomorrow either, especially McC caves and makes good on his threat to talk about Ayers. Can you say plunging numbers?
I most certainly do not turn off the TV every time he speaks
I listen carefully to every word he says, same as I do Obama. Thus far all I have heard from McCain is that "that one" is lying about. I would PREFER to hear what he proposes. I am perfectly capable of listening to Obama and deciding for myself without McCain's ( or Palin's) input.
I wonder when pubs are going to turn their attention
constantly pronouncing judgment on the big, bag boogey man. Have you noticed that republicans have a leadership and principle/platform crisis?
We did...turn off the TV, that is. Still splattered over the Internet, tho...
Took this site off my favorites, too, because you libbies are just too much lately.
Came back to see if there's anything nice going on, and just the same old rapture from you.
Unbelievable.
Why turn down Obama-bucks?
Why turn down Obama-bucks?
By: Roger Simon
February 24, 2009 04:36 AM EST
I never thought we’d live to see the day, but there are actually politicians out there who want to turn down money.
Some Republican governors, who normally like federal tax bucks, now want to turn them down. Why? Because they aren’t just tax bucks, they are “Obama-bucks.”
They are bucks from President Obama’s stimulus plan, and if these bucks put people back to work and let people hang on to their homes, he and the Democrats might get the credit.
And that would never do.
Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee, attacked the Obama stimulus plan on Saturday by saying, “It’s filled with social policy and costs too much. You could create just as many jobs for about half as much money.”
OK, Gov. Barbour, go ahead and do it. And get rid of all that evil “social policy” while you are at it.
Bobby Jindal, the Republican governor of Louisiana who often has “rising star” and “presidential hopeful” attached to his name, also said he didn’t want some of the federal money.
But under questioning by David Gregory on “Meet the Press” Sunday, Jindal seemed to wilt a little when it came to explaining why.
“Well, let’s be clear,” Jindal said, not being clear at all. “The best thing that Washington could do to help Louisiana and all of our states with our budgets is to get this economy moving again.”
Gee, thanks. But don’t get him wrong. While some people see these times as filled with pain and suffering, Jindal sees them as an opportunity. A political opportunity.
“I think now is the time, and it’s a great opportunity for Republican governors and other leaders to offer conservative-based solutions to the problem,” Jindal said.
Because those conservative-based solutions worked so well under George W. Bush, right?
It is not just Republican governors who are irked with Obama-bucks, however. There is Rick Santelli, an on-air Editor for CNBC, who went on the air live last week from the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade and delivered what he now proudly refers to as his “rant.”
Basically, Santelli doesn’t want federal aid going to people who can’t pay their mortgages. “How many of you people want to pay your neighbor’s mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can’t pay their bills?” Santelli said, waving his arms.
He then called such people “losers” and said it was better to “reward people that could carry the water instead of drink the water.”
When Wall Street moguls got billions in bailout money and gave themselves millions in bonuses, threw lavish parties, redecorated their offices and ordered $50 million jets, Santelli did not wave his arms and rant.
Because Wall Street moguls are not losers. They are his people. But when it comes to the working-class family trying to scrape by, that’s where we must draw the line. Throw them out on the street. Foreclose on their homes, even though the banks can’t sell those homes.
Because it’s far better to have a foreclosed house on your block with the windows boarded up than having a family living there and paying a renegotiated mortgage, isn’t it?
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs quite properly slapped back at Santelli last week, sarcastically inviting him to the White House for a cup of “decaf.”
But Santelli doesn’t need decaf. He needs the milk of human kindness. (What does he do in his free time, go down to homeless shelters and laugh at the “losers”?)
The Santelli “survival of the fittest” plan is the opposite of what Barack Obama said repeatedly during his campaign. “If we’ve learned anything from this economic crisis,” Obama said Oct. 18 in St. Louis, “it’s that we’re all connected. We’re all in this together, and we will rise or fall as one nation, as one people.”
The Republicans don’t believe it. They think opposing the Obama financial recovery plan is their ticket to success. Mark Sanford, the Republican governor of South Carolina, recently criticized the three Republican senators who voted for it, saying it was “a gut check vote, a gut check deliberation ... for the future of our civilization.”
The Republican platform for 2012 is going to be: “You give up your house so we can win the White House.”
And they thought 2008 was bad.
Amusing to see those elitists cry "hate!" at every turn:)
Let's cut the crap. Republican apologists are some of the nastiest, most condescending and basically vicious debators on the boards. So while you're running around crying Bush haters! and insinuating that they are little more than drooling fools, you might keep in mind that your astounding and deliberate hypocrisy is far uglier than any natural, normal anger at an incompetent leader could ever be.
Don't forget that he flip flops at every turn....sm
of the wind, saying stuff INFORMED voters well know is just a ruse to get votes. Most of the stuff he is so-called "promising" will never get out of Congress - he knows that and is banking on uninformed Americans who think highly of his rock-star status. Personally I always thought the lying was supposed to start AFTER they got into office, but it's obvious that Obama sees things WAY differently than most folks who pay attention to his rhetoric instead of being "sheeple. "
Yep. It is our turn to be inspired. They need to book her a stadium....
lol
Obama supporters don't have to turn their headlights off (nm)
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Looks like O is getting ready to turn that ACORN smear
Asking DOJ for special prosecutor to investigate Bush-McCain vote fraud scheme. Now, this story is going to start growing some real teeth. 2000. 2004. 2008....NOT.
Encouraging and empowering kids to turn in pedophiles
Your link is a dead end.
How much are we supposed to stand for???...government keeps trying to turn to the taxpayer ...sm
to fix all these messes when we are not the ones with the money. Go to the CEOs, etc with the huge bonuses and golden parachutes, and ALL the money, and have them bail the banks out. They are the ones who made this mess. I live in a state that already double taxes me on my vehicles, has one of the highest sales tax rates in the country, and we even have taxes/fees our loved ones have to pay when we DIE~!!@!@ I am so sick of this! Think I'll quit paying all my taxes and when the IRS comes knocking on my door, I'm gonna hold my hand out on my way out the door on that Bahamas cruise NOT paying taxes paid for, and say oh please bail me out, I can't pay this. Yeah I'll get bail alright, but not in a good way!
holy crap- i forgot to turn off the water in the bathtub!!!!
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Lets make a bet on how long it takes dems to turn
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Yes! Don't you hate when you wake up happy, turn on theTV with a nice cup of coffee, and one of t
giving an interview (alibi) that not even HE OR HIS MOTHER could believe, defending spending millions of dollars renovating an office because "he could not possibly use it as it was, did not fit in," ARE YOU KIDDING??? Was it a stalag, did it have electricity, a desk, chair, and necessary electronics? Are there people out there, living and breathing, who actually THINK this way????? Tell that to the woman who has not eaten in days so that she can give a few morsels to her kids, trying to keep them warm with old blankets because the heat was shut off! The unbridled greed in this country (along with moral decay, and by that I do not just mean sex, I mean morals like charity, honesty, hard work, sacrifice, humanity), is what is destroying our country incredily quickly. It has been a hidden, ugly plague.......oh sorry, guys, I say this interview when my eyes were barely open and I think I popped a blood vessel just listening!!
Abortion is for men. nm
This isn't abortion!
Read it again: the child is already out of the womb and breathing! the child is BORN. Not a fetus.
Your telling me that a child that is born from a botched abortion should be left to die?
That is what this bill is about. If a child is born after an abortion attempt, that it should be treated as a US citizen with all rights of a citizen given, including the right to lifesaving medical care. You don't think that's fair?
Abortion
Haven't you guys who are going on about this given any thought that every time politicians start speaking of abortion, gay marriage, etc., it is a smoke screen. They know how to push our buttons, but then they are always hiding something else. The know if they keep our minds on these types of issues, we won't be paying attention to other under-handed things that are going on.
This is not about abortion. It is about a man who...
voted AGAINST giving medical care infants who survive abortion, who are living and breathing outside the mother and unattached even by the umbilical cord. That is horrific, and frankly I don't feel real good about someone who wants to fight for that TO happen, instead of AGAINST it happening. If he can't muster up enough sympathy for poor children dying alone in a dirty clothes closet, how could I possibly believe he cares about the "middle class?"
Talk about a STRETCH.
abortion
I think that it is sad that people do not believe abortion is murder. I am pregnant by surprise and had an ultrasound at 12 weeks (when many abortions are performed) and was able to see my baby move around and his hands and feet. If that is not a baby, heaven help us all. Having said that, I am not sure that abortion should be illegal. In my heart, I know that it is wrong, but in my head, I also know that it will continue to happen in an unsafe manner if it were to become illegal. However, perhaps not so prevalently, so this is a toughie for me, but I cannot believe that God condones it.
ABORTION
who KNOWS there are other alternatives out there? Come on people!! We all type this stuff...There are sooooo many different kinds of birth control out there. Why wait and kill a baby? Bottom line, that's what abortion is. I just cannot believe the mentality of some of you people. I may not have all the fancy words some of you use but I think this is just common sense. I don't even know that I think a woman should have her "choice" taken away but I do think abortion should not be considered birth control. If you don't want to have a baby and CHOOSE abortion, and it happens again and again, how about an old fashioned TUBAL LIGATION? All this talk truly makes me ill to my stomach.
I'm curious how many of you out there are willing to fess up about an abortion and sharing your feelings about your "choice." My sister had a "choice" to make years ago and she has nightmares about it still. The guilt she has felt is unreal. Maybe some of you do live with yourselves and I honestly think any woman who has made this "choice" and can live with herself without any sort of guilt EVER, is just a very hard person.
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